Previously on: >>54059265
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So guys I wanted to use aptitude to remove VLC (I installed it to try it out but Totem and MPV seem to be far better) and it's asking me to resolve dependencies with a package called kdiff3, which is used for git merging.
What the actual fuck? How are those two even related?
Dammit, I missed one slash. Sorry faglets.
>>54073901
>aptitude
There is your problem
>>54073926
htto://niceme.me
>>54073939
>can't even shitpost properly
>>54073939
Seriously though It's usually recommended to use apt-get instead of aptitude
>>54073960
They're basically the same thing only aptitude is simpler to use.
>>54073981
aptitude is also better at dependencies. the only problem that can occur is if you use both apt-get and aptitude instead of sticking to one you will have issues with apt not knowing what is installed and what isn't.
Any downside to using Emacs as WM?
Is there a list of distros that are free as in freedom?
>>54074098
http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.en.html
How do you guys watch streams on your computers?
Do you use flash? MPV? Or something else?
If MPV, how do you configure it just the way you want it? I've just been doingmpv linkgoeshere, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't
Which cad cam software respects my butt hole freedom?
>>54074132
I do exactly that. Or else I just watch it in the browser.
Guys, I'd like a program (ideally with a GUI, and if not a GUI, at least a way to visualize or copy/move them to a new folder so I can check them out on Nautilus) that can let me search a folder for images at or above 1920x1080 resolution. I want to scour my image folder for possible wallpapers.
What would be the best way to do this?
Thank you very kindly for your time
>>54074631
Oh, and it must have recursive search because I need it to search on subdirectories as well.
>>54074648
>>54074631
+Bonus question: does fdupes detect exact duplicates only? I want to be sure it's not going to make mistakes before pushing the button (deleting very similar images)
>>54073838
Where do I buy a cheap thinkpad in Eurob?
>>54074631
you can write a very simple script to do this
use find to list all files that match a certain pattern (end in jpg/gif/png)
use identify (part of the imagemagick suite of command-line image editing utilities) to print out the geometry of each one
use cp or ln to copy or link these to a separate wallpaper directory
if you don't know how to use any of these programs, read their man pages
if you don't know how to write a bash script, this is a great way to learn
good luck!
>>54074700
according to wikipedia, fdupes compares based on filesize and MD5 sum. i'm not 100% familiar with the details of various compression formats, so it may be possible that the same uncompressed pixel/color data can have a different compressed representation if the quality or other settings are different when the file was created, but in general if all the same pixels have the same values then the checksum will be the same.
I made this thing so that I don't need to type command names. So to run all videos(or whatever) in a directory, I can just do things like:$ *.webm
$ media/video/*_mime_run() {
local prog
[[ -f "$1" ]] || return 1
case "$(file -b --mime-type -- "$1")" in
video/*|audio/*) prog=mpv ;;
image/*) prog=feh ;;
text/*) prog="${PAGER}" ;;
*) return 1
esac
"${prog}" "$@"
}
trap _permission_denied_handle ERR
_permission_denied_handle() {
(( $? == 126 )) || return
_mime_run $(history | sed -nr '$s/^ *[0-9]+ +//p')
}
command_not_found_handle() {
_mime_run "$@" && return
echo "bash: command not found: $1" 1>&2
}
The reason there's 2 different handles is that bash won't call command_not_found_handle when there's a '/' in the name.
Instead it tries to execute the file, when that fails _permission_denied_handle will be called.
>>54075171
That's a pretty cool idea, but I guess you can't autocomplete filenames via TAB when there's no cammand in front of it, right?
>>54075171
>>54075310
I guess zsh can do this; it has suffix-aliases.
>>54075344
It's not cool when it works without h4cks!
>>54074132
i use mpv with youtube-dl through this: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/open-with/
>>54075310
Not until you type in a '/', then bash autocomplete will start matching files. So in that example I could type "media/" and autocomplete from there.
You might be able to add an autocompletion for files in the command position but those are a pain in the ass to work with, especially if you have something like bash-completion installed.
>>54075362
>another open-vith fag
When will you guys learn to bind a simple mpv+xsel hotkey.
How do I make Ubuntu look good? Are there any good options out there?
>>54075397
i find right click > open with more comfortable than pretty much everything else, how would a hotkey benefit me?
>>54075422
I mean desktop enviroments btw
>>54075472
I'd recommend GNOME or xfce. it really depends on your taste.
>>54075507
Gonna go with xfce, thanks anon
URxvt.font: xfc:ProggyTiny:size=10
URxvt.boldFont: xfc:ProggyTinyBold:size=10
URxvt.italicFont: xfc:ProggyTinyBold:size=10
I can’t open my terminal and i3 can’t shut down. How do I configure my fonts properly (they’re .pcf.gz files)? And what are the SZ fonts?
>>54074209
>>54074132
>How do you guys watch streams on your computers?
VLC
>>54074775
Ebay, srsly.
If I were to install retroarch, where can I get the games from?
>>54075742
Just copy your .pcf.gz to .local/share/fonts and run fc-cache. Test it before setting it in Xresources with:urxvt -fn xft:ProggyTiny:size=10
Also did you mean xft instead of xfc?
>>54074132
You could use livestream,and there is a gui for twitch,all using mpv
Anyone want to answer this:
>>54064231
>>54076113
Now it works but it doesn’t look like it’s supposed to. I use the recommended size.
I'm running simple static content off lighttpd
Are there any security checklists or things to be aware of besides proper permissions?
>>54076510
Using the SZ versions, closer but still ugly as fuck.
>>54076062
The internet
>>54076510
it has nothing to do, go back to the config of the first image and then add:
URxvt*letterSpace: -1
Why do you insist calling it GNU?
From Wikipedia:
>Linux is a Unix-like and mostly POSIX-compliant[12] computer operating system (OS)
DistroWatch calls it Linux. Red Hat Enterprise Linux calls it Linux. Fedora calls it Linux.
Linus Torvalds:
>"calling Linux in general GNU/Linux is just ridiculous"
Jim Gettys, originator of X:
>There are lots of people on this bus; I don't hear a clamor of support that GNU is more essential than many of the other components; can't take a wheel away, and end up with a functional vehicle, or an engine, or the seats. I recommend you be happy we have a bus.
Also, pic. related.
>>54076597
GNU is a full operating system. GNU/Linux is a Linux variant of GNU.
GNU itself has Linux-libre
>>54076603
There are Linux distros that do not use GNU.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_Linux
The only common denominator of all Linux distros is the Linux kernel.
Hence we call the OS "Linux".
Nobody except autists and FSF calls it GNU
>>54076603
Picture related
>>54076623
Only a minor number of distros do not use GNU
>>54076597
>his name is getty
noice
>>54076637
Enough to not use "GNU/Linux" and discriminate like that.
The name of the OS is "Linux". It is named after the kernel, "Linux".
>>54076662
>Enough to not use "GNU/Linux"
Name 10 out of hundreds of distros
>>54076597
>Why do you insist calling it GNU?
retardation.
In real, people just don't give a fuck about the name. You can call it linux, gnu/linux, gnu+linux, people will get what you're talking about.
Even if you actually talk about the kernel, the people your talking with are probably not retarded and get what your talking about
>>54076671
Name 100 relevant distros that use gnu
>>54076671
1 is enough to stop calling it "GNU/linux" in general. Linus Torvalds the creator of the Linux operating system said "it is ridiculous".
>>54076698
>Name 100 relevant distros
There are like 5 and they all use GNU.
>>54076718
They also all use X. Why don't you call them X/GNU/Linux ?
>>54076704
He also says it's justified
>>54076736
No he doesn't. Stop lying.
>>54076731
Call it what you want, I don't care.
Not that it matters but I have several debian systems without X.
>>54076731
The naming conversion does not follow component+component rule.
It's Mother/Child rule. See >>54076603
>>54076745
I am not lying. He really said it's justified
>>54076749
And I have Allpine Linux without GNU.
>>54076758
So you are claiming it's established that Linux OS is really called "GNU/Linux"? Then go and change the name on Wikipedia. See what happens.
>>54076772
Wikipedia is not a valid academic source.
See >>54076628
>>54076760
That's nice.
>>54076787
>Wikipedia is not a valid academic source.
What a retard.
Name 1 topic, 1 single topic, when something is named wrong on Wikipedia.
Not some fringe thing but some major topic.
Pro-tip: you can't.
>>54076796
Are you a college drop out?
>>54076806
No, I hold a Masters Degree
Now:
Name 1 instance where something is misnamed on Wikipedia.
>>54076603
If GNU is an operating system, can it make my graphics card do cool shit and do stuff through GPIO?
Hahahahahah, no. An "operating system" requires graphics and device control, and GNU only uses kernel-by-kernel compatible POSIX functions.
Linus writes beautiful code. He has published some side projects that he wrote all on his own and the code is just wonderful. He also lives in the real world while still maintaining his open source ideals and supporting himself through his work.
RMS is basically a homeless loser who hasn't made any real contributions in the last 20 years. He is still super butthurt that Linux beet HURD (but hey, HURD just got basic sound support in 2016!) and basically tries to claim Linux because Linus used GCC and the GNU coreutils. He survives on the charity of others and speaking engagements where he spouts his insane, paranoid, philosophy. Basically he won't be happy until all the programmers are homeless hackers like him and all the companies are shut down. How people are supposed to support themselves and their families in that scenario aren't things he has to deal with because he is basically a permanent grad student. He does make some good points about privacy, but for him, there is no middle ground. Anything that may reduce your privacy even the slightest bit (like movie recommendations on Netflix) is evil according to him, and must be destroyed. In a lot of ways he show classic signs of mental splitting, which is a classic symptom of mental illness. To top it off, when he does write code, he does so in the style of the awful GNU style guide which is a crime against humanity IMHO.
So, in a nutshell:
He's a bird-fucking, self-absorbed, power hungry, toe jam eating pedophile that thinks everything should be free and everyone should be forced to share, who looks like he hasn't showered in years so as to create a static shield around his body to protect from aliens. He also created an OS without a kernel because he's basically Steve Jobs gone communist. Oh, and he calls himself doctor though he holds no PhD.
>>54076817
Then I'm pretty sure you don't include a wikipedia link in your bibliography.
Picture is a screenshot of a wikipedia article, if you want
>>54076826
GNU can do everything a kernel can do, it has a kernel. Hurd or Linux-libre
>>54076846
HURD got basic sound support in 2016. What a great alternative to Linux.
>>54076862
linux libre has been there for almost a decade. I am not talking about alternatives, I am talking about operating systems
I'm coming from Windows and I don't know how to Linux at all.
How do I chose my first Linux OS? There's so many.
>>54076878
Pick the one with the best name. Ie anything that isn't named mint
>>54076589
The spacing is not the problem. Everything looks bold and not Proggy at all, no matter what size I choose.
>>54076890
Well, this looks easier than I expected.
Let's do that. Rock'n'roll.
>>54076878
Don't fall for memes
Mint is a great distro to start with. I remember back in 2007 when I first installed mint.
Mint is great. You can also use Ubuntu / ubuntu derivatives.
>>54076878
slackware
>>54076939
Do you want one more people to shitpost about Linux being a shitty timesink OS?
>>54076939
>vomits
>>54076878
Ubuntu, Gentoo and Funtoo are solid choices for a first distro.
Don't fall for the Linux Mint meme
>>54076966
> Gento and funtoo
See >>54076951
>>54076934
Mint has a shitty name.
>>54076974
Good argument
Well, looks like Ubuntu is actually the safest bet. Thanks gentlemen.
Just one question, I know that Steam is growing on Linux, but for games that doesn't have a Linux Steam version yet, is there any way to use them?
Like Wine or something (looked up into that a long time ago, not sure if it's still a thing). Is it reliable?
>>54076988
It's an opinion
>>54077014
I hear it's more reliable nowadays
>>54076951
>one more people
Slackware is not a timesink. you do a full install and everything just werks m8.
you get several options for editors, office suites, media players, browsers, WM/DEs.
if he wants a rock-solid system that follows The Way of Unix that he can use without any faggy issues and learn how to properly manage and administer, there is no better alternative.
I started using slackware when I was 13 and didn't know how to Linux at all. And it was much less advanced back then that it is now.
>>54077014
Wine generally works for games that are DX9 and older. For newer games, you can dual boot. If you want, you can set up a GPU passthrough like I have, so that no dual booting is required. It takes a bit of work and the right hardware, but with you can pass a second GPU through to a windows VM and game at full speed. I may not recommend doing that as a beginner though.
>>54077048
>Rock solid system
Is it because usurers are too lazy to install anything new since they gotta spend half an hour to resolve dependencies themselves?
Gentoo has a good reason to be timesink. It's source based.
Slackware is the biggest meme alive in 2016
>>54077014
If its not on steam,get it from gog and play it with wine.
>>54076062
I normally get mine from loveroms
>>54077075
dependency hell is a myth from ancient times bruh, step into the future with gslapt
and slackbuilds has got you covered for any software that's not in the official repos
>>54077240
ok, was a little off with my statement, vanilla slack still has issues with dependency resolution, but it's derivatives like salix handle it nicely
>>54075171
Yay! Stealing that permission denied handler for my calculator fallback, thanks anon
Anyone here use kvm? I just purged everything virtualbox from my kernel and their packages. Any pointers?
Is a 5 G partition enough for Mint?
Is there anything to know if I want to try and install it dual boot with Win 10?
>>54077240
slackbuilds and slackpkg+ gives you access to all major and most minor software and libraries that you may need, and it gives you the freedom (as in option) to easily compile a custom version of something if you should need or want to
>>54077075
>half an hour resolving dependencies
# slackpkg info <package>
# slackpkg install <dependencies for that package>
gee that was hard
>>54077617
5GB will probably be fine for a base install, but I might recommend starting with at least 10, just in case you want to install a lot of programs.
>>54074631
>>54074872#!/bin/bash
#
# requires imagemagick
# set MIN_WIDTH/MIN_HEIGHT to whatever you want
# sets first/second argument to directories you want to use
img_dir=$1
wall_dir=$2
# self explanatory
MIN_WIDTH=1980
MIN_HEIGHT=1080
# file extensions to check for (separated by | because they will be used in regex)
FILE_TYPES='jpg|gif|png'
# this is done to allow for filenames with spaces
IFS="
"
if [ -d "$img_dir" ] && [ -d "$wall_dir" ]
then
for img in `find "$img_dir" -regextype posix-egrep -iregex ".*($FILE_TYPES)"`; do
width=`identify -format "%w" "$img"`
height=`identify -format "%h" "$img"`
action=Skipped
[ $width -ge $MIN_WIDTH ] && [ $height -ge $MIN_HEIGHT ] && ln -sr "$img" "$wall_dir" && action=Added
# NOTE: if $wall_dir already contains a file with the same name, it will be skipped
echo "$action $img (${width}x$height)"
done
else echo "$0 [directory to scan for images] [directory to make symlinks]"
fi
for animated gifs, width/height gets reported for each frame, so a 10-frame gif that is 50x50 will have width/height of "50505050505050505050"
>>54079126
also this is a command i use to set a random wallpaper in my .xinitrc and also tied to a keybinding (I use fluxbox but should be adaptable to your minimalist WM of choice)fbsetbg -a `find $HOME/img/w | egrep '(jpg|gif|png)$' | sort -R | head -n1`
>>54073838
Call it "/FLT/"!
For one thing, people need to know what to search the catalog for. The name has to be consistent. The other day it was ""fg/lt", now it's "fglt/". Searching "Linux" returns too many results. I finally found it on my fifth or sixth attempt with "friendly", which is just stupid.
For another thing, these threads are NOT GNU/Linux-specific. If you want to talk about alternative shells, portable shell scripting, OpenWRT, etc, there's no reason that that stuff shouldn't go in this thread.
Lastly, people need to get over the fact that words can have different meanings in different contexts. It's really not a difficult or problematic concept. Linux is a kernel, but it is also a family of operating systems that is a superset of GNU/Linux. It is not difficult to use this term clearly, or to understand it based on context, and there is no reason not to use it this way.
>>54079924
this and also janitors should start deleting "GNU/Linux vs Linux" shitposting because it really should be contained to its own threads
>>54076545$ mkdir .fonts
$ mv *.pcf.gz .fonts
$ mkfontdir .fonts
$ xset +fp .fonts
$ urxvt -fn -windows-proggytinysz-medium-r-normal--10-80-96-96-c-60-iso8859-1
>>54079924
There is no linux operating system. There are gnu/linux, busybox/linux and toybox/linux. Do you really want android people to belong here?
How about using the term your os uses? Uname -o would help.
>>54080020
>>54076140
What should I change in this case?
I'm starting Openbox with LightDM and it seems to work properly, apart from the remaining processes.
>>54080026
the FSF literally invented the -o flag in order to stamp GNU/Linux on all systems that use GNU coreutils
http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/uname.html
https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E26505_01/html/816-5165/uname-1.html
https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man1/uname.1.html
http://man.openbsd.org/?query=uname
FreeBSD only added -o in version 7.4 for "compatibility with other systems"
https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=uname&apropos=0&sektion=1&manpath=FreeBSD+7.3-RELEASE&arch=default&format=html
https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=uname&apropos=0&sektion=1&manpath=FreeBSD+7.4-RELEASE&arch=default&format=html
>>54080109
I don't see the problem here. Your system uses GNU, therefore it's GNU/system
>>54080109
uname -a outputsLinux desktop-debian 4.5.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.5.1-1 (2016-04-14) x86_64 GNU/Linuxfor me.
>>54076597
the funny irony is that both aren't cars.
>>54080151
No it's not iron-e. It was made intentionally to illustrate even GNU/Linux is not the correct nameing. You should instead use GNU/Linux xorg/Wayland/Libreoffice/Firefox/
>>54080109
POSIX uname:
> -s Write the name of the implementation of the operating system.
s for ***s***ystem
GNU uname:
> -s, --kernel-name print the kernel name
> -o, --operating-system print the operating system
I'm gonna dig up an old version of GNU uname and I will bet you my penis that the -o flag did not exist until after Linux became popular
>>54080026
As I stated clearly, Linux is a family of operating systems. This is an objective fact. It is a fact of human language that words have arbitrary meanings and are defined by consensus. Words mean what other people think they mean. It it a fact that if you tell a /g/entooman that you "use Linux", he will know that you use a Linux-based, Unix-like operating system, because that is a common usage of that word. When people talk about "Linux" in reference to an operating system and other people know what they mean, that is the one and only factor that determines whether or not this is a valid definition for the word, because word mean what other people think they mean. This is not difficult or confusing. This is a fundamental feature of human language. That the same word is also used to refer to a kernel, and in fact was originally used that way, is not a problem. Lots of words have multiple meanings.
There are Unix-like, Linux-based operating systems that do not use any GNU components. These operating systems have fundamental architectural similarities to the more common GNU/Linux distributions, and discussion of them is absolutely on topic for this thread. I have never seen anyone discuss the differences between GNU grep and Busybox grep. Whether or not you are using GNU software is completely irrelevant to whether or not your discussion or question belongs here.
>>54080225
Blah blah blah *wall of text* blah blah. Nobody is listening. It's GNU/Linux and if you don't like it cry me a river.
My speakers pop REALLY loudly during booting. I think it happens when my soundcard's modules get loaded and once in userspace when Pulseaudio starts. This doesn't happen in Windows, so I assume it's a Linux issue.
Does anyone have any pointers how to solve this? Searching on the internet didn't bring much up.
>>54080339
It's a feature
>>54080339
set your output loudness to 100, turn down the amp, stop the pulseaudio service and reboot to see if it happens because of it, if it persists, use alsa.
>>54080268
We would be better off as a species without you.
>>54080181
GNU uname 2.0 didn't have the -o flag
>>54080393
>>54080339
Thank Lennart Poettering
Hey guys,
I built a new pc and dont have the cash right now to buy windows and a solid state hard drive and install the drivers to my hardware.
Its a
ASUS Sabertooth 990fx
FX 8350
16gb of ram
and a WD 1tb hard drive
Can I install Ubuntu GNOME on a partition of the 1tb drive without fucking anything up? or should I wait till I get windows and a sshd and install my drivers first? I dont wanna fuck up 800 dollars in shit I have in this. Any help would be cool...
>>54080407
install it now and have a live distro handy for when you need to fix grub after installing windows.
>>54079924
Cnnt scrl
Am rtrd
Pls halp
>>54080402
What does it print out?
>>54080421
so my hardware will run on default settings then right? I just dont wanna fuck anything up lol
thanks m8
>>54080026
so according to you, GNU/Linux didn't exist until 09/03/2001. that means that for 10 years, people used the Linux operating system before rms's butthurt found its way into the GNU source code and changed reality
>>54080457
>>54080505
lulz
>>54080505
top kek
>>54080505
>gnu says its a linux os
FREETARDS WILL DEFEND THIS
what program should I use to read e-book files - mobi, epub etc.
>>54080742
FBreader
>>54080360
Disabled Pulseaudio and the 2nd pop stopped, but the other remained during boot with just ALSA. Would it be ridiculous to report this as a bug? I mean, in case it's a problem with my speakers. I should probably test this with different speakers and headphones and with the other soundcard first.
>>54080405
no thank Potter, is alsa too
Wich one should I install. Fedora or opensuse?
>>54081047
neither
>>54075422
flatabulous
>>54081047
Fedora definitely
>>54080829
Are your speakers active or passive? This should never happen with passive speakers on a reasonable amp.
>>54080829
I think you need a system wide parametric equalizer. Too bad Loonix doesn't have one
Should I try Solus? My only experience is with Ubuntu. I want something a little more light weight for my laptop.
I have an old computer with XP on it which is just for playing and old game and some office stuff.
Can I install Linux on it and use both OS?
>>54081351
You should stop using ambiguous, buzz-phrases like "lightweight" first and instead use substantial explanations and requirements for something.
>>54076597
Every single thread this faggot appears and every single tread /fglt/ is taking the bait.
WHY
newfags, newfags everywhere
>>54081399
You know exactly what I mean. Go be pretentious somewhere else you raging faggot.
>>54080497
GNU is a thing since 1983. with linux it got a kernel that worked nicely in ~1991-1993. the combination of GNU/Linux is what we are talking about. why call it by the project that came last?
>>54081453
The good thing about this "It's just Linux" thing is that it sorts out the convenient sheeple from the honorable men, who stand up for their freeedom. A guy who installed "Linux" just to run the same programs like skype and steam like he did on windows before, usually calls it just "Linux". Those people are the cancer of the community; a bunch of tech illiterates who only think of themselves, missing the whole point, creating threads about "year of the linux desktop" - thinking market share is the ultimative goal.
>>54081533
No, I don't know and I'm glad that I don't. Neither do you.
Do GTK developers mostly use Glade to develop GUIs?
Is it normal that I find Glade to be irritating and prefer to do all the GUI design only via coding?
>>54081608
I wouldn't consider it a good thing. Splitting the community is a bad thing. Hating on rms is a bad thing, hating on Linus also. It's better to teach new users about the history of GNU and later GNU/Linux, rather than dividing them.
>want to use a distro that's not Ubuntu
>all DEs except Unity are shit
FUCK
>>54081657
That is one pretty kot
>>54081744
>waiting for that one anon to post his Gentoo screenfetch running Unity
>>54081821
I looked at the arch packages, but it seems too much of a hassle.
Wish the Gnome devs weren't braindead retards that think they can't do no wrong. Since using Unity I really can't into desktops with a normal taskbar anymore.
>>54081854
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Unity
Seems pretty straightforward on Gentoo
>>54081854
What does Unity's taskbar do that others don't?
>>54081872
It can stay permanently in one place.
>>54081881
What, that's it? If the fixed taskbar is REALLY the only thing you're missing, get tint2 and make it look like Unity's (that's how mine looks).
>>54081872
>uses icons
>stores multiple windows under one icon
>has different indicators for when windows are on another virtual desktop
>is vertical
It's mostly that it uses icons. I often just have shitloads of programs running in the background which quickly clutters a normal taskbar.
Tried stuff like docky or cairo dock but they never integrate well into any DE.
>>54081909
In that case, tint2 isn't really suitable because it can't group multiple windows. Here's how my Unity taskbar knock-off looks like.
Try xfce4-panel. I think you can make it use icons only, it can group windows (I think) and it can obviously be placed vertically. Alternatively try Mate's or all the other panels/taskbars from here:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/list_of_applications#Taskbars_.2F_panels_.2F_docks
Is making the switch to Linux really worth it?
I really want to use the operating system more but it just seems to get the proper use out of it you obviously have to know how to use it pretty well. I guess I'm just used to having things look pretty straight out of the box and not having to do all the work my self.
Any good sources someone can point me in the direction of for getting started with Linux, utilising what it's great for and maybe getting started on actually making it look nice?
Running Xubuntu at the moment, know the basics of how to get around on the system, use package manager, terminal basics and all that jazz. But I don't really know how to customise the OS to make it look good to drive me to want me to actually use it, and I guess because of that I'm missing the whole 'Linux is great because of it's customisability' thing.
End up just booting into OS X most of the time because I'm a normie who is missing the point it seems, pls help
It would be easier if you actually needed and wanted it, instead of forcing yourself to like it.
>how to customise the OS to make it look good
You right click on all the Xfce stuff and click Properties. You also change your window manager and GTK+ themes.
>>54082062
Meant for >>54082012
>>54081966
xfce panel can group windows? Will try.
>>54082062
I'm doing a Comp Sci degree at the moment so I feel I should at least get myself aquatinted with working with it, only first year though so I assume it will be a bit more relevant in second/third year when I can actually develop a bit better.
I noticed all the properties through Xfce and played around with them. Not really sure how to change the window manager and get GTK+ themes though?
Want to sort of get something that is borderless and sleek that I keep seeing posted on desktop threads.
>>54082118
gtk themes are seperate from window manager themes. in xfce you set gtk and icon themes under appearance and window manager themes under window manager. you can just download them and toss them in ~/.themes.
>>54082118
I don't know if xfce4wm can hide window decorations, but it should be possible. Go through the window manager options in Settings.
>>54082118
>comp sci
>software development
You got duped m8
>>54082131
Where's a good place for browsing some good looking gtk, icon and wm themes then? Is it really as simple as drag and drop into those folders??
>>54082142
Will give it a look, do you know if you can still move windows around or minimise, maximise and exit with ease, with borderless windows? Or is it just keyboard shortcuts, guess that wouldn't be too bad tbqh
>>54082155
Bachelor of Science (Computing), and I'm streaming next year in Cyber Security. So it's not technically straight Computer Science. I could specialise in Software Engineering, straight Computer Science or IT; but IT is for drop-kicks, CS gets you know where but research and SE is probably going to become a flooded area in the not so distant future (in my opinion at least)
>>54082180
>Where's a good place for browsing some good looking gtk, icon and wm themes then? Is it really as simple as drag and drop into those folders??
Gnome-look, xfce-look for wm themesdeviantart and many just generally on linux websites. Some of my favorite gtk themes are arc, numix, ambiance flat and clearlooks.
Yes, for them most part you can just drag and drop. Icon themes go into ~/.icons.
>>54082180
So either way you choose, you're fucked?
I've set up working shares and sync mechanism between two of my machines.
My server is always on but my desktop isn't. How do I get my server to periodically check for the desktop shares to come online and run rsync?
>>54082180
Try left clicking a window while holding ALT to move it. You can use CTRL-W to close windows or bind your own shortcuts for xfce in the settings.
~/.themes is for you only.
/usr/share/themes/ is for global themes, which every user can use.
>>54082012
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux,
is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux.
Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component
of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell
utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day,
without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU
which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are
not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a
part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system
that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run.
The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself;
it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is
normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system
is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux"
distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
>>54082213
Not necessarily. Lectures have said that companies have been begging them for their Cyber Security graduates.
Shouldn't be too hard hopefully to find a job at some bank or something working a Cyber Security type job. As more information is being thrown into technology seems companies would want more people keeping their secrets safe... hopefully.
>>54082237
Bash IF statement with ping in an endless WHILE loop with sleep?
>>54082280
>cyber security
>cyber security
>cyber security
Stop using that phrase seriously or at least that often. It's pretty cringe-worthy.
>>54082237
cron
>>54082287
I don't know shit about bash or any of that yet, I'm still getting familiar with the terminal and whatnot.
Pinging makes sense, I've seen similar scripts for windows. Does linux care if an smb share is mounted in fstab and it goes offline every now and then?
>>54082255
Thanks, only user on my computer anyway so either of the folders will be fine for my usage
>>54082277
Ahh thanks for the clarification. So GNU is the majority of the core components of the OS and Linux is just one of those components that has been thrown in, yet has stolen all the glory?
>>54082292
I know, I hate using it; sounds like you're the fucking training in the internet police academy.
What the fuck else do I call it though?
>finally get my degree
>hit the town
>so anon, what do you do for a living?
>well I uhh, work in cyber security
>...
>she gets so wet
>can even hear the waves breaking
>we fuck all night
>i forever uphold my oath to protect her wordpress and tumblr posts from the filthy hands of dirty INTERNET TROLLZ
Can someone explain what is wrong with Mint without using memes? Or is Mint itself a meme?
>>54082340
There's nothing wrong with it per say, but the premise for the distro is just retarded. Also, the main developers are french-speaking sandniggers.
>>54082340
I'd say just use something like Xubuntu instead, pretty simple if you're switching from any other OS but it's not dumbed down to the point where you feel like a baby using it. Yet at the same time it's pretty simple to install and use compared to something like Arch.
I'm pretty new to this whole thing but I used Mint originally and it just seemed like I was missing the whole 'use GNU/Linux for customisability' due to it being so simple. Then I used straight Ubuntu and didn't really like it's default wm and then didn't really like Gnome or running another wm in parallel.
So that lead me to install Xubuntu which gets rid of all the fluff of Ubuntu and comes default with Xfce, which is apparently pretty great for beginner customisation.
To anyone who knows their shit this post probably seems retarded but seeing as your using/considering using Mint probably means your around as new as me to this whole thing and might benefit from being told in a retarded way - apologies in advance neckbeards
>>54082349
>its retarded because I dislike the developers
>>54082428
Wow that's actually a helpful summar
I'm trying to set up GPU passthrough and already fucked things up once.
Following: https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Multiheaded-NVIDIA-Gaming-using-Ubuntu-14-04-KVM-585/
Is there something specific I have to do to force linux to ignore the dedicated GPU and only use the integrated one? I think my problem was that I blacklisted the nvidia card but it wasn't falling back to the dedicated one.
y
>>54081351
Solus uses +/- 178mb of ram according to its developers so why not. It has the most optimized kernel towards desktop usage of all distros out there.
The amount of packages is still pretty scarce though.
>>54082526
Thanks, thought you might benefit from it. You shouldn't go wrong with Xubuntu I think - can always switch to something else if you don't like it or 'outgrow' it later.
>>54082208
Can I use GTK themes with Xfce (default Xubuntu) or do I have to install some extra package(s)?
>>54082569
You can, because all of the Xfce stuff uses GTK and other software you installed most likely too.
>>54082566
How is it optimized?
>>54082607
Ahhh okay, Xfce is pretty fucking handy then!
>>54082607
It's been configured and patched for task-centric load. It seems they've begun adding clearlinux stuff to it as well. In fact the main dev works for intel on clearlinux.
Just browsing some themes on deviantart, why are they all like 3+ years old? Am I using the wrong search query?
>>54081047
>babies first rolling release
I only heard good stuff about openSUSE tumbleweed; so you might enjoy it.
found an old functional Q6660 in my cellar in a completely assembled old pc.
ive put in like 2 2tb hard drives.
installed archlinux on it but i actually dont know what to do.
for now ive set up ssh as a socked service and a deluge daemon.
gimme some inspiration.
>>54082783
Because that's how it is. Spoiler: those themes won't work properly now, because there have been plenty of GTK3 changes in the past years.
Themes which work with GTK 3.18:
>adwaita
>arc
>greybird
>zuki themes
Themes which work with 3.20
>adwaita
>arc
>zuki themes
>tfw you finally consider using compton on your desktop
I was a fool for ignoring it this long. Even the default config (which ships with Arch) looks great. I'd use it on my laptop too, but I'm worried it might drain the battery faster and I'm too lazy to get objective numbers with powertop.
Anyone knows how to get xbacklight to work with the modesetting driver?
Linux deploy problemo
Disclaimer: Absolute beginner
Trying to install kali linux on my Android phone (LG G3 with cyanogenmod 12.1) but when i start the ssh and vnc fail. What do I do? It completely failed on my old ace 2 but Debian is working. Have not tried Debian or any other version on my LG.
>>54083127
have you actually installed a distro, or did you just install linux deploy and hit start?
>>54083143
Yes kali linux is installed
>>54083151
turn on debug logging then see what is printed
>>54083164
There you go
>>54083164
Please explain how dumb I am
>>54083198
you can't chroot as you have no /bin/su binary (not "rooted")
>>54083241
This should be virtually impossible since I have cyanogenmod which is always pre-rooted
>>54083241
Also superuser tells me there is access to the su directory
>>54083347
your su is at /system/xbin/su, not /bin/su
change your linux deploy settings
HALP, cannot install anything. I am a newfag.$ sudo pacman -S parted
[sudo] password for adnan:
resolving dependencies...
looking for conflicting packages...
Packages (1) parted-3.2-3
Total Download Size: 0.39 MiB
Total Installed Size: 1.89 MiB
:: Proceed with installation? [Y/n]
:: Retrieving packages...
parted-3.2-3-x86_64 402.5 KiB 694K/s 00:01 [################################] 100%
(1/1) checking keys in keyring [################################] 100%
(1/1) checking package integrity [################################] 100%
(1/1) loading package files [################################] 100%
(1/1) checking for file conflicts [################################] 100%
(1/1) checking available disk space [################################] 100%
:: Processing package changes...
warning: warning given when extracting .INSTALL (Write failed)
(1/1) installing parted [################################] 100%
error: could not copy tempfile to /tmp/alpm_ZFujmF/.INSTALL (No space left on device)$ df -H
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
dev 2.1G 0 2.1G 0% /dev
run 2.1G 1.1M 2.1G 1% /run
/dev/sda4 157G 45G 105G 31% /
tmpfs 2.1G 147M 1.9G 8% /dev/shm
tmpfs 2.1G 0 2.1G 0% /sys/fs/cgroup
tmpfs 2.1G 2.1G 0 100% /tmp
tmpfs 405M 17k 405M 1% /run/user/1000
/dev/sdb1 32G 17G 15G 53% /run/media/adnan/COMMON_DRV
Picture not related
>>54083395
I'm going to figure out how now, it did detect busybox at /xbin so thats weird? Or not, i wouldnt know.
>>54083440
>tmpfs 2.1G 2.1G 0 100% /tmp
>error: could not copy tempfile to /tmp/alpm_ZFujmF/.INSTALL (No space left on device)
Seems like your out of ram / swap
>>54073838
if i install the nvidia-352(recommended) driver, my system won't boot on linux mint, how do i install a working driver without fucking my system up?
>>54083464
>>54083440
Ah crapfree -h
total used free shared buff/cache available
Mem: 3.8G 1.3G 81M 1.9G 2.4G 473M
Swap: 3.8G 830M 3.0G
>>54083440
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Tmpfs
>>54083486
any others listed? Also, try downloading and install from the Nvidia page itself
>>54082333
>So GNU is the majority of the core components of the OS and Linux is just one of those components that has been thrown in, yet has stolen all the glory?
Basically, except that it wasn't the Linux kernels goal to steal any glory.
Back in the 80s, everybody already knew about the GNU project but in the 90s the Linux kernel was "the new shit", because Linus freed his kernel (licensed it under the GNU Public License), and GNU added it to complete their operating system. So, then many people were talking much about Linux, said "I'm running linux" to point out that they use the new kernel. There, calling it "Linux" was correct, because these people were talking about the kernel, but today, when people talk about "Linux", they usually mean the GNU version with added Linux; the GNU/Linux "core" operating system, which is the base of distributions like Arch, Debian, etc.
So, when you talk about the kernel, you call it Linux, when you talk about the operating system of Ubuntu, you call it GNU/Linux.
There are also other version of GNU and a different kernel like GNU Mach, FreeBSD's kernel, or Linux-libre (Linux with non-free binaries removed); you call them by their combination, eg. GNU/Linux-libre, GNU/kFreeBSD. There are also special unix-like combinations, not using the GNU operating system like Busybox, designed for small, embedded systems (tvs, routers, etc). The security-oriented distro Alpine is using this combination (Busybox/Linux) as base.
>>54081669
So call it Linux than, like everyone else, and stop splitting the community with the autistic GNU bullshit.
>>54083518
Tech illiterate spotted.
>>54083395
Okay I have tried but I have failed, how/where do I change this?
>>54083534
Nah I've been using Linux since 1995.
>>54083534
Literal illiterate spotted:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synecdoche
>>54083499
># mount -o remount,size=4G,noatime /tmp
Actually solved it
Thanks
>>54083518
The community is committing a serious error by overloading the name of Linux to mean multiple things. Calling for clarity should not be "splitting the community".
>>54083544
Fucking summer in here. I've been using Looniz since 1985 when RMS recommended it to me personally
>>54083581
This.
>>54083581
"JavaScript" is a stupid name because it has nothing to do with Java. It should be named LiveScript. Today it can be called ECMAscript. But even its creator calls it JavaScript now because that's how everyone calls it now.
That's how language works. The Linux OS is named after its kernel, "Linux". We refer to the whole thing using the name for the kernel. That's how it is, it's simpler and looks better.
End of story, stop trying to be a special snowflake by adding "GNU slash" to it trying to prove what a valiant defender of FSF ideals you are.
Red Hat calls it "Linux", Fedora calls it "Linux", distrowatch calls it "Linux" , Wikipedia calls it "Linux".
The creator of Linux calls it "Linux" and says adding GNU is ridiculous since there is no GNU distro. There is Ubuntu distro, which contains GNU but also X and other things, not just GNU.
So stop it once and for all, stop confusing people. IT's LINUX. End of story.
>>54083581
You dipshit,, it's super simple except for you autists. You refer to the OS by saying "Linux" and to the kernel by saying "the Linux kernel". That's how everyone does it. everyone who lives in the real world like RED HAT ENTERPRISE LINUX
yes it's not call RED HAT ENTERPRISE GNU/LINUX you mongs
>>54083614
>There is Ubuntu distro, which contains GNU but also X and other things, not just GNU.
You don't need X. On the other hand GNU part is just as important as Linux part.
>>54083631
No you retard:
http://www.alpinelinux.org/
You just got BTFO.
>>54083646
Let me rephrase that:
You don't need X. On the other hand GNU part is just as important as Linux part, on any distro that matters.
>>54083657
http://www.ubuntubsd.org/
Linuxtards just got BTFO
>>54083646
The name is only supposed to apply to GNU systems that make use of the Linux kernel. Since Alpine Linux is not a GNU system, it shouldn't need the GNU/Linux name.
>>54080505
>>54080497
>>54080402
>>54080393
>>54080181
>>54080109
>>54080026
RMS INVENTED THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN "KERNEL" AND "OPERATING SYSTEM"
HISTORICALLY, NO UNIX OR UNIX-BASED OR NON-UNIX-BASED SYSTEM SEPARATED THE KERNEL FROM THE OS
BOTH LINUX AND GNU SOFTWARE WERE CREATED/RELEASED UNDER FREE/COPYLEFT LICENSES
IT WOULD BE AS CORRECT TO SAY THAT THE LINUX OS "MAKES USE" OF THE FREELY AVAILABLE GNU UTILITIES AS IT WOULD BE TO SAY THAT THE GNU OS "MAKES USE" OF THE FREELY AVAILABLE LINUX KERNEL, EXCEPT AS NOTED ABOVE, FOR VIRTUALLY ALL OF COMPUTING HISTORY, KERNEL == OS
FURTHERMORE THE GNU OS ALREADY HAS A KERNEL CALLED "HURD". THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE IT WORK FOR DECADES.
IT WOULD BE MOST CORRECT TO SAY THAT EACH DISTRIBUTION COMBINES FREE (AND SOMETIMES NON-FREE) COMPONENTS INTO A COMPLETE OPERATING SYSTEM AND THEN CALLS IT WHATEVER IT WANTS TO. SOME CHOOSE TO CALL THEMSELVES GNU/LINUX. OTHERS CHOOSE TO CALL THEMSELVES LINUX. THE FREEDOM OF SELF-DETERMINATION RESTS WITH THE CREATOR(S) OF THE FINAL DISTRIBUTION
RMS IS A FASCIST WHO WANTS TO RESTRICT OTHER PEOPLE'S FREEDOMS FOR HIS OWN AUTISTIC SELF-SERVING EGO
>>54083626
I'd like to agree but I see consequences of this mistake all the time whenever people find "problems in Linux" which are not actually Linux problems. They will always be confused as long as the community continues to insist on perpetuating this mistake. Keep the name Linux to refer to only the kernel program that's maintained by the Linux team and that keeps things even more simple!
>>54083745
cruise control plz
>>54083745
>>54083745
>>54080505
>>54080497
>>54080402
>>54080393
>>54080181
>>54080109
>>54080026
Good thing you all know so much about linux! Maybe you can answer my question about linux deploy?
>>54083745
Historically, application programs were specifically programmed for each individual machine. RMS started his work as an OS programmer in a time when people realized that there ought to be a "platform" to manage hardware resources and associated computer system. RMS was living in the time when operating system kernels were distinct computer programs to system utilities like a text editor, assembler, compiler and command line interpreter. The distinction was always there and he was living right in the middle of it.
>>54083745
The GNU kernel is not called Hurd. That is a common mistake that people make about GNU.
https://youtu.be/fxjElWL8igo?t=25m25s
watch how he can barely contain his butthurt when asked why Linux was able to to build a kernel by himself in a few months while the GNU HURD never got off the ground
>>54083815
because there is no GNU kernel because there is no GNU OS
>>54083826
>posts a 2 hour movie
>not saying the timestap of what he wants us to see
Even if I watched it I could probably not remember where that part is
>>54083843
No, the GNU kernel's been mature since 2001. What GNU is missing is a comprehensive Unix kernel replacement. Hurd is this Unix kernel replacement but it is a mistake to call Hurd a "kernel" when it was intentionally designed to be "not a kernel".
>>54083865
The timestamp is literally in the link
>>54083504
upvoted
Y'all wrong.
It's Other/Linux.
>>54083826
>https://youtu.be/fxjElWL8igo?t=25m25s
Okay, where was the butthurt exactly?
>>54083959
The other additions are simply that - additions to the fundamental GNU/Linux system. Those other programs need a system to run upon and GNU/Linux is that system.
>>54083959
Nice meme.
>>54081271
Has a couple, can't c/p right now, on phone, ask again tomorrow
