Why do Linuxfags constantly slander Windows 10 and say it's a botnet? Why do they constantly equate telemetry with surveillance? Why do they bring up the meme key from 17 years ago that was literally nothing? Do they think that by doing these things their pathetic desktop OS will gain more users? The only people who have anything to fear from Windows 10 are people who use child pornography. Even terrorists can use it.
>>54064797
Telemetry is actually surveillance though..
It's reporting personal usage of your computer to Microsoft.
>>54064837
>Telemetry is actually surveillance though
No it isn't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telemetry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveillance
Telemetry monitors things.
Surveillance monitors people.
files, filenames, filesizes, the programs you use and how often you use them and how often you look/edit each file, what games you play, what you type, your webcam, you micro, audioshit, the music you hear, everything is in the telemetry-data and this is not acceptable. My world, my way, my https-urls which they can see in cleartext because I am typing them. They even see your bookmarks and if there are https:// urls, THEY ARE IN CLEAR FUCKING FORMAT.
>>54064890
>files, filenames, filesizes, the programs you use and how often you use them and how often you look/edit each file
anonymised telemetry
>what games you play
Never heard that one before, but on top of that, who cares?
>what you type, your webcam, you micro, audioshit, the music you hear
Optional for services
>>54064884
Microsoft's telemetry monitors the actions that people take using their computer. It's not mutually exclusive to surveillance.
>>54064890
I think most of this is for insiders only.
>>54064912
It doesn't monitor people, so it's not surveillance.
>>54064890
>anonymised
Sure..
>>54064890
to add something intern: The only reason the thread-subjects are in the urls is because that they appear in cleartext in the logs of nginx/apache/whatever(cloudflare). People that think https makes anything more secure are stupid. Right, nobody inbetween can see what you do, but the serveradmin and everyone that has access to the logs can see it!
This is coming from someone who administrates email-servers. All my clients use ssl and bullshitcrap, but as long as they don't crypt their messages, I can still see them in clear format in their /home/folders (postfix and stuff guys). Please know that even the big corporations don't do it different.
>>54064919
>I go through someone's trash, house, and diary, but never actually see them, therefore it's not surveillance.
>>54064797
>>54064911
my filenames are uniqe mostly. There is no file on earth for some that has the same name, size, stuff.
Optional doesn't mean you can deactivate it. You really can't.
>>54064797
>The only people who have anything to fear from Windows 10 are people who use child pornography.
This killed your entire point. Nobody, not even pedos should be monitored by their OS, if there is the possibility to monitor them, there is the possibility to monitor whoever else gets on the shitlist.
>>54064911
>Optional for services
That are on by default and take a lot time to deactivate, which lowers the chance that non computer affine people can do it.
Holy shit that thread exploded kinda fast.
>>54064948
Monitoring isn't what gets pedos in trouble. If they upload pedo stuff to OneDrive then they are in trouble, and OneDrive is integrated into the OS.
Why are pajeets still shillposting although Microsoft is on record publicly stating that Win10 is a surveillance-botnet, because "It's best for the user"?
>>54064942
This EULA is old or wrong.
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Useterms/Retail/Windows/10/UseTerms_Retail_Windows_10_English.htm
>>54064998
Literally the same EULA as in pic related.
Nice trolling.
>>54064797
I've been using win 10 since summer and the only thing I can say is that /g/ was right again. If it wasn't for me being a pleb and shit like office and gayms I'd immediately switch to linux.
Also are you a shill? I can't imagine a legit windows user defending that malware os.
>>54064998
Actually this links to aka.ms/privacy
which at some points describe equivalent points as >>54064942
>>54064998
https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement
botnetest of botnets.
>>54064797
Because stupidity is free and looking up things for yourself actually takes time and effort
>>54064945
Optional means you have to install specific software that uses the service and explicitly agree to it.
Typing is only recorded in Cortana/Edge (Cortana needs to be enabled, system search does not register)
Webcam, audio, recordings are just the skype service.
>>54064797
I was using Windows 10 until all the typical programs, such as those that manage the basic personal files of the user, were so badly redone that they are almost unusable. I still keep my primary email address from Outlook.com but signed up for a Google Apps account to manage it, along with photos, mapping, videos, and so forth. For the management of local software, I switched to Mac OS. It's just that Windows 10 is now not worthy of my particular social stratum. Not into some rigged piece of shit.
>>54064971
> If they upload pedo stuff to OneDrive then they are in trouble
What about screenshoting your OS every ten minutes?
>paid MS shill FUD
Leave 4chan and never come back.
DO NOT REPLY
REPORT THREAD
HIDE THREAD
DO THIS WITH ALL ANTI-GNU THREADS
>>54064797
They use a server OS as a bastardized desktop computer and don't have much else to do other than shitpost and have weird obsessive borderline sexual fantasies about micsrosoft embracing them.
>>54065095
The last sentence on that page invalided the whole thing. Holy shit I would have eaten it but the last few words destroyed it. Sure is there noone big to back up the spying. Money. Risk of losing their jobs.
>>54064911
>who cares
this is literally the goto argument of the winfag™
>>54064797
Telemetry is literally surveillance. If you meant to make a distinction between telemetry and GOVERNMENT surveillance, you done goofed again: >>54062822
Also, why are you so buttmad? You guys open all these threads and do damage control 24/7 and try to provoke us, but we only come here to laugh at you.
>>54064797
Fuck off you retarded shill.
>>54064797
>it's not surveillance, it's just telemetry
>i'm not gay, i just suck dicks
>>54065095
>please don't listen to the things we say, even though we legally have to say them because otherwise we'd be sued for privacy invasion.
Fuck off microshill.
>>54064797
>>54064884
>Telemetry monitors things.
>Surveillance monitors people.
this is the most ridiculous justification I have ever heard surrounding this Winblows10 issue
>>54064797
ITT:
If anyone ever doubted that microsoft pays shills to pollute forums with FUD, this entire fucking thread.
> And I'm old enough to remember when they polluted usenet boards exactly the same way.
>>54064923
You've seen proof of anything else? protip: you can track the messages leaving your computer using a network logger
>>54064797
Fuck back to >>>/biz/ with you pathetic shill rajesh
>>54064890
chances are though if you are on 4chan its not likely that they really care about what you are doing..
>>54065095
Nice meme, NEET cuck. You could have wasted time in something else though.
Shitblows 10 enterprise has the exact same EULA. It doesn't have all those metro apps. You fucking disinfo shill
>>54065472
>>54064797
You're wasting your time OP. These are the same nutbars that refuse to use any hardware with "binary blob" firmware or drivers. The botnet is everywhere.
>>54067671
He got paid though
>>54067671
Also, Intel/AMD CPUs have built-in botnets. So they're all going to move to PowerPC or ARM or some other inferior shit.
>>54067685
this. unless you're running some backwater OS on a pre 2009 CPU and don't use the internet for anything you're already fucked.
>>54065130
kek everytime
>>54064912
>Microsoft's telemetry monitors the actions that people take using their computer. It's not mutually exclusive to surveillance.
>Give a friend the keys to your home. Friend makes a copy of those keys and gives them out to someone else.
It may not be "surveillance",but it's a shitty thing to do to a friend.
>>54067711
You forgot about the firmware running on USB devices including flash drives and potentially anything that connects by USB. Can't avoid the binary botnet blobs. They're everywhere.
>>54064797
I'll tell you why.
Now that windows has apt-get and all CPUs have backdoors, freetards have no legitimate argument as to why linux is better and have resorted to shitposting.
>>54067735
>no legitimate argument
Better privacy
>>54067735
Linux is free today while Windows 10 has never been and will probably never be free.
>>54067735
Free
>>54067735
>freetards have no legitimate argument as to why linux is better
I have one.
I've been using Linux for so long, if I started using Windows again, I'd face the same sort of learning curve Windows users get when they switch to Linux.
>>54067735
At least on linux I don't have to worry about turning off autorun and sandboxing the fucking explorer every single time I mount a flash drive
Stay cucked, wincuck
>>54064797
says the Fucking windows cuckhold.
>>54067802
https://srlabs.de/badusb/
hahaha ..
>>54065049
>>54065037
>>54064942
You know all of that shit only happens if you add a Microsoft account, right? You can use a local account, and none of that shit will even happen. In addition Google does pretty much all of the same shit on Android if you add a Google account.
>>54067831
>Google does it too so it's okay right?
>I read the eula and choose to ignore it
>>54064797
Because telemetry cant be disabled (easily)
>>54067746
We're in the post privacy age so that's not an argument.
>>54068096
No we're not. Not everybody's given up and got cucked like you.
>>54067887
nope
>>54068170
Advocating for privacy is like advocating for ether-absorbing cloth, or horse drawn carriages.
The world has moved on by necessity.
>>54068096
>post privacy age
That's as much of a meme as anything 4chan created. The "post privacy age" will never exist, because humans have a deep desire to keep different things hidden from different people.
Furthermore, the things that we're losing the privacy on are recent innovations/inventions anyway. There's simply a time lapse between their creation and the creation of the technology to monitor it.
>>54064797
>Why do Linuxfags constantly slander Windows 10 and say it's a botnet?
Because Linuxfags will slander any new Windows OS. But in this case, they're right.
>Why do they constantly equate telemetry with surveillance?
Because Windows 10 telemetry is monitoring YOU, not your computer.
>Why do they bring up the meme key from 17 years ago that was literally nothing?
Not actually sure what you're talking about, unless you mean the libdvdcss key they tried to censor from the Internet but became a meme instead.
>Do they think that by doing these things their pathetic desktop OS will gain more users?
It already has, and continues to do so.
>The only people who have anything to fear from Windows 10 are people who use child pornography. Even terrorists can use it.
This isn't a question, but no. Aside from the longstanding security concerns of Windows, Windows 10 changes the way updates are done so almost all updates are mandatory. They do this for two reasons: For better control of the hardware market, and so they can more easily push self-serving updates without scrutiny. It is actually much harder to screen the updates you receive on Win10. You won't know if you're a target or not.
>>54064911
>anonymised telemetry
No such thing.
>>54064919
>It doesn't monitor people, so it's not surveillance.
So would you be willing to put a tracker/motion sensor in your pants? It's not monitoring you, just your pants. It's all part of our Pants 10 update.
>>54068234
>>54068250
Privacy as a standard expectation for the average (read: low caste, low class) citizen is a relatively modern development in civilization.
>>54068305
It seems that you are a privacy hipster.
>>54064911
>anonymised telemetry
unfortunately this is false, microsoft gives you an unique ID for advertisement, also it clearly says that opting out doesn't stops data from being collected.
>>54068343
you just proved his point dude
>>54068345
Linux fag here, this is actually worse than I could have expected. How are Windows fags not rebelling in droves?
>>54068234
>Advocating for privacy is like advocating for...
This is ridiculous.Privacy and security go hand in hand.You've been memed by the Advertising Machine and you're buying into a very irresponsible line of logic fueled by two camps: the money grubbing jews and the government police state.Watch in horror as data breaches increase and your confidentials wind up in the hands of hackers.All this in the name of Pepsi and laundry detergent ads.
>>54068376
Probably because of how people try to convince them of using something else. Attacking them personally or their choice instead of just showing them how neat other systems can be makes them defend their stuff.
>>54068318
Yes, but the privacy that was created after the industrial revolution are material things like the ability to live in your own home, to enjoy a leisurely stroll through the countryside, to have a separate bedroom where you can be alone, to afford books and notepaper, a private, indoor toilet and bath.
All that stuff allowed us to separate from the overcrowded and communal living, and none of that stuff will ever easily get taken away.
Things that are monitored now are all recent developments and innovations on old technology, and they're monitored because the information can be easily collected, analysed, and compared due to the standardised nature of it all. If you don't want to be monitored, assuming you're not someone to be targeted, all you need to do is resort to older, messier technology.
Even when AI gets advanced enough, that sort of stuff is probably never going to be tracked on a mass scale, simply because of basic problems, like the power needed to do it would be too great, or the cooling requirements would be too much.
So, bicycles over cars, letters over email, carrier pigeons over phones.
>>54068376
The answer is 95% is the average joe that is not even informed about it and 5% are windows fanboys that trust MS blindly even with their history of being nasty.
>Why do Linuxfags constantly slander Windows 10 and say it's a botnet?
The answer to op's question is for informing the 95%, convincing the other 5% that MS is screwing them and they should, if not stopping using windows at least tell MS to stop their bullshit, is a waste of time.
>>54068487
Yet most of the time this people is trying to convince everyone to use windows and attacking linux users for their choice by calling names and spreading false information.
>>54064797
Roll Spybot Anti-beacon in it and you'll understand. And it's not Linuxfags. It's all fags.
>>54068532
>Yes, but the privacy that was created after the industrial revolution are material things
People could always have their privacy violated. It's just never really been by your own tools before.
>>54068661
>People could always have their privacy violated.
>could
Yes, anything could happen. The thing is, it doesn't. It's infeasible to.
>>54068532
It is going, if it has not already gone, the way of the dodo.
The vast majority of the population, the lower class, will be heading towards more of an open pod hotel style existence. Look to some of the more central cities in the East for an early example.
You can't really have any privacy in that, especially with passive but all encompassing monitoring and surveillance.
It may suck for some on an individual level but it's simply the next part of our species advancing.
>>54068383
To a post privacy government, it is better than a thousand data breaches occur than to not track all data on a single citizen.
>>54068601
Which is just as ineffective. It's a pointless flamewar the way that is now. Showing off cool stuff like font rendering, always on top or xen is way more effective.
>>54068728
>>54068728
>post privacy government
Why don't you just go back to Facebook, since you've already drank Zuckerberg's kool-aid?
>>54068708
>The vast majority of the population, the lower class, will be heading towards more of an open pod hotel style existence. Look to some of the more central cities in the East for an early example.
uwot. No. Just no.
Those things are for people who can't afford to live in those cities. It's not for normal people and it never will be. House sizes have been increasing out here in normieville.
>>54068781
>House sizes have been increasing out here in normieville.
Ah, the american obsession with single-family detached homes. No wonder you rely on cars so much, you'd need them just to get out of your suburbs.
>>54068750
well, we agree in that regard, i just wanted to make clear that both sides has stupid people which thinks about this as a tribal war while being unable to think by themselves, and none of us is able to control what other people do, so generalizing is useless.
>>54068769
That's not how it should be but how it is.
When almost all the capital and power in the world is aligned towards that end, I don't see any struggle having a chance of being meaningful or relevant.
>>54068781
It's the inevitable outcome for most people as buying power decreases, wages shrink and costs continue to grow. Those trends will not stop.
>>54068812
>american
No, the developed world as a whole, you moron. I've never so much as even set foot in the Americas, but nice cheap shot there to cover up your own ignorance.
>>54068781
If you have enough income took afford a house you don't fit under the umbrella that is the majority of society. That's not lower class at all.
Why y'all fall for this bait so hard?
>>54065036
I feel ya man. I would totally switch over to linux if it weren't for me being a severe videogame addict. I hate the feeling of being monitored but I need my fix.
>>54068884
I never said anything about actually buying a house. There's also nothing wrong with being a lifelong renter, this is a cultural issue that differs from country to country.
>>54068917
>nothing wrong with being a lifelong renter
Are you retarded?
>>54068936
Do you have a prejudice against other cultural practices?
Racist.
>>54068952
That's not racism.
And being prejudiced against inferior cultures makes total sense.
>>54068952
>racist
You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
>>54068984
>And being prejudiced against inferior cultures makes total sense.
Only if it's objective.
>>54068952
>Racist.
There's literally nothing wrong with being racist.
>>54068096
Your post is the proof that we are living in a meme age.
Have a look at the temp filenames Windows 10 leaves on your system. It doesn't even try cover the fact that it monitors your usage fully. That said, I and most still have no choice but to use it for our purposes.
At least until a proper alternative arrives. And no, Linux is not that alternative for the ... yet.
Fucking Windows 7 is slowly being broken by Microsoft though.
Since last Tuesday's updates (didn't actually install them yet), my Windows Update has been flaky as fuck and acting weird. Unless I stop the service it'll just use 100% of one core constantly.
Tempted to just fuck it and install Windows 10 at this point
>>54064797
fuck off street shitter
>>54069084
works on my machine, but then again I avoid all telemetry/botnet and windows 10 upgrade related updates.
>>54069109
I've done that too...
Linuxfag here, stop trying to get Windows users to convert, the last thing we need is a bunch of retards flooding the forums and inviting malicious features/making requests because they don't give half a shit about privacy.
Windows is a containment OS, stop trying to get them to come over.
>>54069234
>Windows is a containment OS
I thought that was Ubuntu :^)
Anyone have that copypasta of the tracking done on Win10?
My parents just bought a new computer with win10. During the setup process I disabled a bunch of options but I'd still like to know how often it dials Redmond and what I supposedly disabled during the setup.
>>54067819
xDD
>>54068831
I agree.
Another problem is that windows and mac os users often think it is about gaining market share on gnu/linux. For a lot of people it is about showing people what free software is and why they find it important. Fights between actual bsd users and gnu advocates are usually not serious.
Just so you all know I'm currently in one of the many rooms that holds all of everything Microsoft, and let me tell you what, shots loud as fuck and no one comes in here
>>54068902
Is it so bad that all the games on gnu/linux ot a dual-boot setup would not cut it? If yes, you might want to consider getting help. I don't even want to offend you.
>>54069390
Shits
>>54064797
I see WAY MORE people shilling for windows than for linux to be honest.
Maybe if everyone stop making these useless thread then this board might become better
>>54069455
>this board might become better
>>54065095
Linuxfags BTFO
>>54069273
Ubuntu is Windows users that came over. Wonder why Ubuntu is so shit?
>>54069551
Samefagging is not a good damage control
>>54069565
I'm not samefagging though.
Fuck off will ya? Stop being the NSA's little whore.
>>54065092
GNU shill detected.
Linux fags are huge conspiracy theorists.
>point out that you can disable telemetry
>"no! Ms uses super secret source code to still send data cause they're evil!"
>point out that you can block telemetry servers
>"no! Ms uses super secret code to get around that because they're evil!"
>point out that you can see in pfsense sense that the servers aren't being contacted
>"I need to see a full report and screenshots of proof!"
The fact that they ask for proof for the last part, but none for their own claims, just proves they're lunatics.
