>muh BGR irrelevant tech site clickb8 article
>muh Barnacles fired from Microsoft for being fat youtube video
>muh fired incompetent employee IRC chat logs
There is literally no reason to not use Windows 10 other than pure paranoia
Your hardware's already backdoored by Intel.
>implying I care about privacy bullshit
I don't like the notification system and how they're forcing the tablet UI on you in shit like the control panel/settings app.
>>54031437
>muh tinfoil hat.
>FUCK THE SYSTEM Xd
>>54031437
Okay.
Apart from shitposting why do /v/ think Windows 10 respects privacy more than GNU/Linux?
>>54031451
>I don't like the notification system
Notification system isn't forced and it's changed 10 times since launch
>and how they're forcing the tablet UI on you in shit like the control panel/settings app.
No such thing. The old Windows7 style control panel is still there
>>54031472
They don't, they just want their vidya gaems and to justify using a shitty OS for it they have to shitpost and make threads about how it's not actually spyware and everything can totally be disabled man.
>>54031472
>Windows 10 respects privacy more than GNU/Linux
Linux = 100% NSA
SELinux = 100% NSA
RED HAT Linux who maintain the kernel and pay Linus and his team = 100% NSA
>>54031511
Windows = 1000% NSA
>>54031496
Please show me where in the old style control panel you can change windows update settings.
They've said the goal is to get rid of the old control panel and move everything to the settings app so enjoy it while you can.
http://www.winbeta.org/news/windows-10-microsoft-wants-control-panel-gone-will-be-subsumed-settings-app
>>54031511
>Linux = 100% NSA
No, it's Linux torvalds and the kernel maintainers.
>SELinux
1. It's completely an optional access control mechanism (MAC) which is replaceable by RBAC system or apparmour. Or tomoyo
2. SELinux is thoroughly audited by distro maintainers. They actually can read codes, unlike you.
3. This is not a proper argument but Russian/Chinese/N Korean Defense use Linux for a good reason. Had Linux been backdoored by the NSA, they would not run GNU/Linux exclusively
Tell that to my libreboot laptop running parabola with an atheros wifi card. No binary blobs at all, 100% free
>Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA
>Assange mentions how Debian famously botched the SSH random number generator for years (which was clearly sabotaged). Speaking of botched security affecting Red Hat, Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo, SuSE, *BSD, and more, the nightmarish OpenSSL recently botched SSL again (very serious – updated comments on how a defense contractor in Finland outed the NSA here?) It’s very hard to believe this wasn’t deliberate, as botching the memory space of private keys is about as completely incompetent as you can get, as this area is ultra-critical to the whole system. As a result, many private keys, including of providers, were potentially compromised, and much private info of service users. Be sure to update your systems as this bug is now public knowledge. (For more on how OpenSSL is a nightmare, and why this bug is one among many that will never be found, listen to FreeBSD developer Poul-Heening Kamp’s excellent talk at the FOSDEM BSD conference.)
https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/
>Who found the Heartbleed Bug?
This bug was independently discovered by a team of security engineers (Riku, Antti and Matti) at Codenomicon [defense contractor in Finland] and Neel Mehta of Google Security…
…
NCSC-FI [Finland National Cyber Security] took up the task of reaching out to the authors of OpenSSL, software, operating system and appliance vendors, which were potentially affected. However, this vulnerability was found and details released independently by others [Google Security?] before this work was completed.
>Google Security means NSA/US Govt, effectively, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t also the authors or that they didn’t catalog it for their own uses long ago. It may mean it simply went wild so they’re closing it now and graciously reporting it.
http://heartbleed.com/
>>54031537
>Please show me where in the old style control panel you can change windows update settings.
http://www.techrepublic.com/article/control-panel-and-settings-uis-why-are-both-still-options-in-windows-10/
http://pcsupport.about.com/od/system-security/fl/open-control-panel.htm
>>54031437
I'm not scared of Windows 10 but I must say that it is a piece of shit. Let me give a few examples.
In some windows/areas you can't use the mouse wheel to scroll.
In some windows/areas you can't use two finger swipe to scroll (not linked with the previous issue).
Sometimes when you are navigating through Settings pages, if you click the back button up the top you go somewhere completely different to the previous page.
Some settings pages will have a link to "additional settings" that will just open up a legacy window from Control Panel which has all the same content except you can actually right click on items to get more options.
Even calculator will occasionally bug you to give feedback about it, and it covers up the display area to do it.
I installed Japanese language support for typing and shit but for some reason while Windows itself is still in English it has decided to make all the "apps" Japanese.
Something happened messages in the notification area are not informative and often don't take you to more information even when the OS does actually have more information available.
Basically the OS is a shambles. They've rushed it out and are forcing people to upgrade into it because they've sold it as a "rolling release" and they know they can fix things later.
It feels more like an open source project.
Also, the metered connection option isn't directly linked to a particular network's settings, yet it totally is and that's fucking bad design.
>>54031601
>Debian Is Owned By The NSA
Maybe someday you will learn to read
>Heartbleed
Reason why people use Libre-SSL
>>54031656
>>54031601
Picture related
>>54031667
>>54031555
>>54031563
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>>54031472
>no arguments against Windows 10
>Linuxfags on full damage control mode start shitposting
Linuxfags confirmed for tech illiterate
>Brief Background and History of SELinux
>SELinux was originally a development project from the National Security Agency (NSA)
>Much of the work to get the kernel ready for upstream, as well as subsequent SELinux development, has been a joint effort between the NSA, Red Hat, and the community of SELinux developers.
https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/4/html/SELinux_Guide/rhlcommon-appendix-0005.html
>>54031437
>>54031722
WOW!!!
Linux kernel is literally NSA botnet
>>54031733
>>54031709
>no arguments against Windows 10
You didn't ask for one. Windows is closed source and NSA_KEY has not been explained yet. So there IS a doubt.
Besides windows 10 gives away your data to ad farms, so there's that
Unless you are baitposting I have to assume you lack the ability to hold an adult conversion. Grow up
Here in the Netherlands consumer organizations have been warning against using that spyware. I think it's the same in Germany and Belgium.
With even the boss of Microsoft Netherlands coming on tv in a consumer complaints program, trying to spin things, but getting put back in place by the host.
>SELinux is a product of the NSA and some worried when it was added to Red Hat, Fedora, and later many other distributions. Even before Snowden revealed the massive government spying, having the NSA anywhere near Linux activated certain Spidey-senses. Now we learn that SELinux may have had an exploit for bypassing the security enforcements. Italian software company Hacking Team, who admits to providing “technology to the worldwide law enforcement and intelligence communities,” has been selling technology to governments (most with bad human rights records) to assist in gathering surveillance data on citizens, groups, journalists, and other governments. Recently Hacking Team was hacked and their information has been leaked onto the Internet. Besides the SELinux exploit, it’s been reported that the FBI, U.S. Army, and the Drug Enforcement Agency are or were customers of Hacking Team’s services.
http://ostatic.com/blog/red-hat-used-by-nsa-spies-selinux-possibly-bypassed
>>54031765
>windows 10 gives away your data to ad farms
NOPE, that's GOOGLE and FACEBOOK.
>>54031765
You are too kind, anon. OP is an idiot.
>>54031722
Oh, yeah, and Tor is somehow owned by US military because they helped develop it...
Do you think NSA agents would use Windows? Top kek, pleb, that just means NSA invested in a good secure tool for themselves instead of buying cuckware. They use Windows as in using data obtained through it when they cuck winfags.
>>54031780
So there is a data leakage.
Google ad farms wants to collect your data for relevant advertisement. Fasebook diagnoses your pattern of browsing for the same reason. Facebook also would love to see your contact to suggest you friends. It's good that you admitted all ready
>>54031773
>a distro is used by a secret service
>an optional software package is PROBABLY (WITH NO DOCUMENTATION) is bypassed
Bottomline: Shitpost
What are you trying so hard for
>>54031796
>Fasebook
Facebook. I'm not familiar with facebook all that much
>>54031773
Sure, they knew about an exploit. And how many exploits do they know for bypassing Windows' swisscheese security?
The rumored backdoor isn't even necessary.
The difference with Google, Facebook and Microsoft is that with Google and Facebook you have some degree of control over what you feed them. What you do online is public and what's on your computer remains on your computer.
Microsoft invades that safe space and breaks in into your computer. They both spy on you online and offline.
Even Google is warning people about SELinux yet Linuxfags are oblivious
>>54031437
They literally install Linux on back doored CPUs and think they're safe, then shitpost about how W10 is botnet while getting spied on by Intel, AMD, and the NSA.
>>54031846
Stop pretending to be retarded its not 2008 anymore
>>54031849
>back doored CPU
Now here is another thing. The backdoor you may be referring to affects x86 architecture, which you yourself don't use in the year of 2016. If you do, you can always use a firewall
i would 100% rather the NSA have me under heavy surveillance than have a private corporation even slightly monitor my computer activity
The NSA can't bring up a copyright infringement or drug case against you. They're not even supposed to have the relevant information. How many people get busted for low-level "violation of public morals" crimes due to the NSA? Zero.
Microsoft can, and you sign a contract stating that they are supposed to have the relevant information.
I'd rather not be arrested for something that isn't even wrong.
>>54031849
>a baby pissed in a pool you're swimming in
>come and swim with us in a pool of shit, it's the same thing
Give it up, losers. It isn't even only the privacy thing. Linux just werks and it werks better.
>>54031709
>Tell the op that there is a reason to not use windows 10, and because of my hardware my cpu is not backdoored.
>this is somehow shitposting
How do you function in the real world dude? Can you hold a conversation with someone face to face?
>>54031832
This
>>54031886
x86 includes x86_64, faggot. It's the most common non-phone architecture.
If a firewall is good enough then why don't you just use Windows 10 with a firewall, huh fag?
>>54031793
>>54031862
NSA has been trying to force security holes in encryption, has been spying on scores of people, has been exploiting zero days to get to anyone they can, has a database of everyone's communication and meta data.
Yet it's "tinfoil" stuff to point out that SELinux, which is in the Linux kernel, is 100% NSA controlled?
Jesus Christ, man... what does it take to NOT be a conspiratorial belief if that is your standard...
>>54031892
>no software
>no drivers
>"better"
>>54031891
Microsoft can basically ruin your life because Bill Gates and his Pajeet assistant were displeased with pics of your wife's saggy tits you saved on your hard drive.
>>54031906
>x86 includes x86_64
The backdoor doesn't work that way
>Windows 10
See >>54031765 and >>54031832
>>54031923
>>54031849
>A FUCKING PRO AS SHIT HACKER/SHADY NATION STATE CAN GET YOUR PASSWORD AND UNCOVER YOUR GLOBAL TERRORISM PLOT BUT WON'T RISK THAT POWER ON SOMETHING TRIVIAL
vs
>A PRIVATE ENTERPRISE FULL OF INDIANS OF QUESTIONABLE MORAL CHARACTER WITH NO LIABILITY (LOL EULA) HAS FULL ACCESS TO YOUR SYSTEM FROM THE GET GO AND WILL COMPLY WITH LOCAL LAWS REGARDING ANIME PORN
So, you are a random russian/canadian/briish anon. Which one do you choose? No globe-spanning arms cartel, or no loli?
>>54031938
KEK
>>54031886
>you can always use a firewall
>Linuxfags think a firewall will protect them from hardware level backdoors
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>54031908
There isn't actually any evidence to show that it is.
Can you find anything in the snowden leaks to even suggest that compromising SELinux is a strategy?
Remember two main things:
1. Snowden uses SElinux.
2. the NSA needs at least one secure operating system to protect themselves from chinks
Which brings me onto something else I'd like to say: I wish the NSA would concentrate on making US computer systems MORE, not less secure.
>>54031947
How old are you, really? Firewall doesn't even have to be software level.
Also, DNSSec exists
>>54031930
>The backdoor doesn't work that way
Yes it does you faggot. Any post 2009 Intel CPU is botnet, and any post 2013 AMD CPU is botnet.
There is no difference between what Microsoft can allegedly do to you with W10 and what Intel/AMD can do to you with the CPU botnet.
Linux = placebo
Linuxfags BTFO
>>54031947
>not knowing about router level firewalls
get out of my sekrit club tech illiterate kid
>>54031943
Intel and AMD are no different than Microsoft.
>>54031964
>Doesn't even know how the backdoor works
I don't argue with computer illiterates. Do some research before embarrassing yourself
>>54031983
faggot spotted
http://mail.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/discussion/2016-April/010912.html
>>54031977
Intel alone doesn't really have the resources to exploit their own backdoors on a mass scale
>>54031977
Oh, they are into data mining and advertising business too?
Just stop posting. You lost.
i give very few hecks desu
>>54031961
>>54031963
>>54031966
HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HACKER TEAM LITERALLY SOLD THE SELINUX EXPLOITS TO GOVERNMENTS.
GO ON THE DARK NET TODAY AND BUY TONS OF ZERO DAY LINUX EXPLOITS.
THEY'RE CHEAPER THAN WINDOWS 10 EXPLOITS BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY MORE OF THEM TO CHOOSE FROM.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>54031992
What makes you think Microsoft has the resources if Intel doesn't? All they need to do is send a few megabytes to HQ once a month. That doesn't require billions of dollars.
>>54031997
They do. Intel does advertising and needs telemetry data just like Microsoft, just not as much. I guess you're okay with getting spied on as long as its not by M$, which is why you have a Facebook account and an Android phone.
What's even spookier about the CPU back door is that it can execute commands remotely, unlike the W10 spying.
>>54031961
SELinux exists to instill a false sense of security by people who use it blindly without understanding all the holes in it.
>>54032012
Spotted the 13 year old
>>54032012
>EXPLOITS
Sure
>>54032028
>Adobe
>Highest weighted average
>Highest proportion of 9+ vulnerabilities
>One critical RCE vulnerability per month, without fail, since the beginning of existence
Why is Adobe is terrible at writing software?
>>54032045
Indians
>Your hardware's already backdoored by Intel.
>mfw I use AMD
>>54031437
>There is literally no reason to not use Windows 10 other than pure paranoia
or, y'know, personal preference
>>54032077
Privacy is a better reason, anon
>>54032072
they aren't any better
BSD IS ALSO BACKDOORED
>I have received a mail regarding the early development of the OpenBSD
IPSEC stack. It is alleged that some ex-developers (and the company
they worked for) accepted US government money to put backdoors into
our network stack, in particular the IPSEC stack. Around 2000-2001.
Since we had the first IPSEC stack available for free, large parts of
the code are now found in many other projects/products. Over 10
years, the IPSEC code has gone through many changes and fixes, so it
is unclear what the true impact of these allegations are.
http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=129236621626462&w=2
NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF "MUH PATRIOTISM"
>>54031961
>2. the NSA needs at least one secure operating system to protect themselves from chinks
SELinux doesn't exist to protect the NSA from outsiders. SELinux exists to enforce clearance levels *within* the organization.
Look up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell%E2%80%93LaPadula_model
This is what SELinux is roughly based on; but SELinux also supports e.g. having different clearance levels in different subdivisions (or projects).
In general, it's just an extremely complicated set of permissions that extend beyond what classic UNIX permissions can do. It's not some sort of “anti-hacker” mechanism, except coincidentally.
>>54032028
>counting all versions of Windows together from unsupported XP through to 10
Nice try though
Why do you assume that Linux users use it because of "muh freedums"? I could give less than a shit about data mining - I like the workflow and ease of use that comes with it.
>>54032016
Don't worry about me. I know how a firewall works, kid.
>window 10 spying on me fags BTFO
>>54032072
Same thing anyway
But NSA have to break asymmetric cryptography to reach your CPU.
If NSA wants to pinpoint your location, they have better and easier options.
KEK thousands of High level criminals is out of reach of the NSA, which means they are not still able to push attack vectors into 32bit CPUs.
If they are not looking for you, you are fine
>>54032104
The level of damage control is overwhelming among wincucks
>>54032104
>counting all versions of Linux together from the first experimental release in 1991 to 2016's Linux 4.5.x
it's only fair
maybe if microsoft actually cared about developing secure products except after it starts affecting sales, the numbers would have been better for them
>>54032106
>I could give less than a shit about data mining - I like the workflow and ease of use that comes with it.
this tbqh
I use Linux because it lets me be more productive and use my computer to its full potential
Windows feels like a restricted toy sandbox to me
>>54032128
>it's only fair
OP was talking about Windows 10. Are you dumb?
>>54032108
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bzj9ujUrQM is still a thing
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>>54032136
>not creating your own CPU
>not coding your own OS
Just go back to /v/ please.
>>54032136
Oh, the king of all botnets, the botnet OS.
I rest my case
>>54032141
Except none of that is spyware
>>54032147
Shoo shoo shitposter
>>>/b/ wants you back
>>54032141
That is complete FUD.
Show me a video with screenshots being sent where we can see the host keyboard isn't being manipulated.
The tenforums found "hidden screenshots" and found out is because on release 10 the insider feedback doesn't work and a key combo can take, store and try to send the images which get denied because no insider log in - because of the failure the "screenshots" are hidden in plain sight, hased in "My Pictures".
Linux shills are going to have to up their game, this is shitty camera trickery at best to push their lies.
>>54032108
Why did you crop the image?
>>54032172
>Show me a video with screenshots being sent where we can see the host keyboard isn't being manipulated.
>D A M A G E
D A M A G E
>C O N T R O L
C O N T R O L
>>54032172
Should also mention I wasn't ablt to reproduce it on my machine or on fresh installs with fresh insider accounts.
Also busted the shitty lintard FUD about the cemera application uploading videos of you on first open, neither my main machine or others with clean accounts and installs did any of this.
>>54032193
>>54032193
Nice try freetard :)
>>54032222
>being able copy+paste text into notepad
incredible.
>>54032222
You actually wrote this/transcribed it from 9gag.
TOP KEK.
>>54032222
QUADS OF
R E K T
E
K
T
linshills btfo out again
>>54032222
Spotted the insecure buttblasted NEET who has no life but defending shitblows on /g/
TECH ILLITERATES BTFO
This thread is Microsoft on suicide watch. It's great.
So now that GNU/Linux is proven more private, is it okay to run wangblows 8.1 inside a VM w/no network?
>>54032274
>GNU/Linux is proven more private
This thread just proved the opposite
>>54031733
>implying that's what Op said
>>54032591
OP said something like: "Cant hide, get cucked."
>>54032622
Exactly
>>54032483
Unless you can read, every single claim made by /v/ posters have been debunked
>>54032704
You obviously ignored all the facts.
Enjoy your SELinux Mr. NSA
>>54032736
See >>54031555
There goes your SELinux meme
What next?
>>54032736
Let's call your half-baked trolling "facts" for the sake of argument.
Even then, what's your excuse to be willingly cucked by both NSA and the whole "Microsoft tech support" caste of Indians instead of just NSA by not having a choice?
>>54032800
>>54032756
t. NSA Damage Control Agent
>>54032841
t. rajesh working overtime
Who gives a heck.
Im pretty sure if the NSA wants to hack you they will, it doesnt matter what OS you use.
>>54032861
>2016
>Still can't hack into snowden's PC
NSA got cucked
>Protip: Snowden doesn't use windows 10
>>54032841
You didn't explain why do you prefer more people spying on you than less?
You failed at trolling, so why are you even doing this if you're not paid for it? I do it because I enjoy winning arguments and now I'm genuinely curious about your answer to my first question.
>>54032899
Stop bullying /v/.
They are only children for fucks sake
>>54031555
>2. SELinux is thoroughly audited by distro maintainers. They actually can read codes, unlike you.
Yeah the same maintainers that didn't catch the most serious bugs in server history for 25 years.
What you also fail to mention is that whilst SELinux is heavily looked at, the rest of Linux isn't and even struggles to get many of the thousands of corners even looked at enough for basic maintenance.
>>54031437
My dad upgraded to it, his mobile broadband stopped working and I couldn't find any solutions, then he downgraded, everything shat itself and his office license stopped working. So after reinstalling everything he upgraded again and now the license works but still no solutions for the broadband.
No wonder normies are scared of it
>>54032913
Oh, shit! I'm getting reported on socialautopsy!
>>54032925
Don't imply you don't know how 0-day vulnerability works. These occurrences are not restricted to one specific software. When the exploit is invented, software maintainers patch it.
Wangblows didn't even have SSH, so don't even go there
>whilst SELinux is heavily looked at, the rest of Linux isn't and even struggles to get many of the thousands of corners even looked at
I like how you mention SELinux first and then move on to the Linux kernel so quickly, amazing damage control skills.
>>54032021
It's quite easy considering that they think that that pic is apex fun.
