I'm thinking about learning programming as a hobby. What programming language should a beginner learn?
>>54029118
for me, they're all hard as fuck.
that said, i would recommend java or C++
>>54029118
Python is arguably one of the easiest ones and good for hobby projects
>>54029138
Isn't C++ harder than C?
>>54029138
>java
Kys
Learn C and C++, Python, perl, also learn a bit of assembly
Oh it's this thread again.
A bunch of people will say C, and then move to C++, or some variant thereof.
These people are retarded.
>>54029171
"C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg."
Bjarne Stroustrup, C++ creator
>>54029171
>implying languages can be harder than other languages
Un
>>54029171
It depends on your mind's ability to comprehend the vast "dimensions" of the language
Different languages will be harder for others. Please get out fucking cuck faggot
>>54029118
C/C++ and common lisp
>>54029138
>java
I'm not OP, but I'd like to learn C#. Where can I do that?
>>54029242
thenewboston.com
Fucking cuck learn to google
>>54029251
I'm sorry daddy
>>54029171
>>54029251
You are not helping. Please go.
>>54029242
C# is nice but don't expect it to work well cross platform (unless you use xamarin for mobile apps but apart from that mono is terrible). Seriously just start with c/c++ because a lot of languages use similar syntax and you'll learn more about how computers actually work.
>>54029205
You think programming in C or C++ is as easy as Python? Or that assembly is as easy as C or C++? And by extension, assembly is as easy as Python?
>>54029294
I just want to make games in Unity
>>54029118
>Learning programming as a hobby
Excuse this /g/ent if he's heard this a million times before...
If you want to be a casual go straight to python.
Something reputable C/C++
Something others think is useful Java
>>54029283
>says not helping
>provides link to programming tutorials
You're a fucking retard, drink some cyanide.
>>54029294
mono works fine, its just slow
also why would you need to create cross platform applications that isn't xamarin?
HTML is one of the easiest programming languages
>>54029308
Why is Java so used by professional programmers but so little by hobbyists?
People say Python or Ruby so you get overwhelmed early on and it's 1 less competitor in the programming field then.
With that being said, I highly recommend Java or C++
>>54029295
It depends, as>>54029221 said
Some languages may come easier than others. Not everyone will be the same.
>>54029118
Download "A Gentle Introduction to Symbolic Computation" and learn Common Lisp.
>>54029118
Javascript
Ignore C++/C/Asm fools
>>54029324
>HTML
>programming
Underfage retard detected, HTML is a markup language, kill yourself
>>54029327
java is used by a lot of hobbysts
there are just simply languages for doing simple things for small projects people would make
>>54029295
assembler, by definition, is nowhere near as "hard" or complex as something like C (knowing the CAM and how to avoid UB) or the monstrosity of complexity that is C++
>>54029327
Because aspects of the language make it good for large projects with multiple programmers (being verbose and whatnot) but at the same time make it a pain in the ass for just fucking around.
>>54029118
got a trial offer 4 SQL from Codeacademy
[Done C, C++, Python, assembler in the past]
Should I even bother w/ SQL?
>>54029351
>he doesn't program websites in .htm
>>54029307
Probably just go make stuff in Unity, then, and read their APIs. You'll pick up whatever you need to. Unity does a lot of what you used to have to code through GUI.
if you want to LEARN, go for C, if you want something to have fun try Python
>>54029118
C/C++, Java(or C#), PHP, Python,...
Assembler if you need more optimization or if you want to know better how a CPU works.
>>54029532
what's a nice book that isn't k&r with a good set of exercises?
>>54029118
If it's a hobby just learn Python. It is one of the most "beginner friendly" languages probably, there are tons of information through books, tutorials etc for beginners. Also, since you are just learning for a hobby and not going to be writing heavy 3D graphics engines etc, you would not really ever benefit from something like c++. Furthermore, there's also a shit ton of libraries for Python so you can use it for nearly anything.
>>54029118
Whatever you do, remember C is a meme.
>>54029118
Learn something that doesn't require you to manage memory. Then learn C and C++ so you actually learn how the machine works.
Since you ultimately want C/C++ under your belt, starting with C# means you learn a similar syntax. If you're on a Mac might as well start with Swift. (Obj. C is powerful but has an odd syntax built on top of C. Not sure if you want to tackle it unless your focus is OS X or iOS development.)
Avoid meme scripting languages such as Python. If you're going to do that, at least do JavaScript since it's useful in web apps.
>>54029351
>he doesn't write programs using turing complete html/css
Stay pleb
>>54029118
If you want to make cool projects rapidly and easily
>python
If you want to make apps (android)
>java
If you're more interested in computers in general or embedded systems
>C
If you go the C route, going the other two farther down the road will be super easy breezy. But if you do C first, be prepared for frustration and aggravation.
>>54029363
>This
Quick Basic 64
>>54030255
>If you want code that runs slow as shit
>>python
Fixed.
>>54032052
Python is not slow lad.
>>54030255
Apps can be made in anything now fuckface.
Also, python sucks fucking ass. Tried it once (knowing java and c++) and how can a language be such a clusterfuck.
Anyway, just take a c-syntax style language and start using it. Only way to learn.
>>54029242
just download visual studio and search up some console tutorials on youtube
did the same 3 months ago, so I'm no expert
Hey guise what does C stand for?
>>54033195
it comes after B
>>54033217
Silly anon there is no B lang
>>54029350
LOL
>>54032052
>I dont know how to python
nice
>>54032491
>amazing language is not amazing
thats like saying that java is an actual good language
>>54033245
Silly newfag :( he talked the truth btw
Rust, c# vor go.
>>54029376
ya
would be good if you ever decide to get into web-app exploitation stuff
>>54029118
But what do you want to do anon? There is no one true language for every purpose.
Java if you want to make android Apps.
C# for Microsoft windows development OR if you want to write games in Unity.
JavaScript for frontside web stuff
C/C++ for games (and other high performance software) library and systems development.
I guess Python belongs somewhere in this list since its popular, but I never use it myself.
There are a bunch of other languages out there that are well worth checking out (like functional languages). But most of them are niche.
>>54029171
Depends on what you mean harder. C++ has more advanced features which you could say make it "harder".
C is less "safe", it's easier to make bugs involving memory and is less type safe.
why /g/ so lonely?
this thread is the answer
>>54032052
>>54029171
Yes. C++ is a much larger and more complicated language.
>>54029327
Because it's shit, but managers aren't smart enough to realize this.
>>54029118
>ITT: hurr, C is so easy
>fuck arround with pointers
>fuck arround with memory leaks
>exception handling is a big no no
>hurr, durr, java is bad
>>54029118
Scala
>>54029327
Because when you put in some hundreds lines of code you won't understand why you need this "verbose" stuff (i.e. encapsulation).
When you try to find a bug within thousands or ten thousands line of code you will be glad..
You see, most /g/ posters are kiddies who never did development outside the university and just can't imagine that large scale development is NOT about "muh l33t haxx0r code" but about robustness, savety and stability.
Java is like a truck. At first you laugh about it:
"lol, eigth-axle? how verbose!!"
"look, only two people fit in, hahaha!"
But when you put some weight in it you will notice the differnce. It all makes sense, but not at a beginner level.
>>54029118
C. If you only ever learn on language, it should be C. It will give you a solid foundation for programming, and prepare you for just about any other language. Most other modern language are in some way or another influenced by C. By learning C first, you will find picking those other languages up trivial, and you will be a better programmer for it. Having a good grasp on C is the difference between being a great programmer or a mediocre coder.
Don't get me wrong, just about anything you might like to do with C, can be done better with another language. No other language however can replace C for all things. C is about utility. Not just utility though, it is the very foundation of modern programming.
C is not hard, or at least doesn't need to be. Shitty programmers make it hard through bad habits. It's a relatively small language though.
