Previously on: >>53999693
Welcome to /flt/. We are always open to users of all levels, including absolute beginners.
There are four ways to try GNU/Linux, you can:
0) Install a GNU/Linux OS on a VM (Virtual Machine/VirtualBox) for "safety purposes"
1) Use the Live ISO directly without installing anything, that way, you can get a "full GNU/Linux experience".
2) Dual-boot GNU/Linux with Windows/Mac (recommended if you want to learn more about GNU/Linux)
3) Go balls deep and overwrite everything with GNU/Linux
Before asking, please search for answers to your questions in resources.
Please be civil, notice the "Friendly" in every Friendly GNU/Linux Thread.
Understand that much of your software from Windows will be unavailable, although maybe WINE can make up for it.
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Resources:
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Your friendly neighborhood search engine (searx.me, ixquick, whatever)
https://wiki.archlinux.org/ (Most of the configurations and troubleshoots will work on various distros, including Debian)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Category:GNU/Linux
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Babbies_First_Linux
https://prism-break.org/en/categories/gnu-linux/
http://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php
>>54016484
I actually like the new naming of the thread. Keep up the good work OP(s).
How do I disable lyric fetching in ncmpcpp?
>>54016508
It does this by default? I've never noticed.
>learnt about font rendering a couple of days ago
>every second screenshot of text makes me want to gouge my eyes out now
I wish I hadn't
(Reposting from last thread as it was one of the last replies)
I've never used linux before but I am getting my new laptop for university today. It has 2 drives (one SSD one HDD) and I would like to install a distro on one of them.
I will be using this for general university work, documents and browsing and also I am learning to program in C++.
I will also have a Windows 7 boot on my SSD.
My friends have recommended I use Arch but my understanding is that it is quite difficult to use. Will this be an issue or should I just dive in the deep end to help me learn? Which distro would you recommend?
>>54016520
Whenever I start it, it creates a .lyrics directory in my HOME directory. It doesn't display them until I press L, but I still don't need that directory. It's kind of weird not to have the option to turn it off.
>>54016562
Huh, what do you know. I do have the directory but it's empty.
>>54016533
>read two lines and some people's subjective opinion about something, now i'm such a nerd lol such an autist expert lol i am a font rendering aficionado now lol
>>54016537
how new? If it's too new, you're pretty much going to have to use something arch based, because everything else uses older kernel versions which don't support newer hardware
honestly arch isn't too difficult if you use an installer and aren't pathologically terrified of the idea of copying and pasting commands from the wiki into a terminal if you fuck something up
antergos is pretty good desu
>I am learning to program in C++
good luck anon
>>54016571
more like
>accidentally fuck up my font rendering and spend several hours learning how to fix it
>>54016573
>tfw Fedora has a newer kernel than Arch and is pretty easy to use, but not too easy for literal retards like Ubantnot
>>54016591
shit I always forget about fedora
m-muh chromium
>>54016598
>m-muh chromium
I find it a nice trade off to be able to use a great distro.
>>54016573
Fairly new stuff
And yeah mostly using linux to learn so I'm more than happy to wiki shit
>see someone post something ridiculously retarded and wrong on here
>don't bother correcting them since there's no point; it's futile because anyone who considers spouting wrong information isn't the type of person who'd consider a correction
>>54016612
fair enough
I would definitely second a fedora recommendation to the guy who was asking, rather than arch
>>54016616
>nvidia card
you'll be fine
if it was amd, you'd have to worry
>>54016634
And apparently no Optimus, so doubly fine.
Tired of using my iphone as my daily driver
what's the best OS to stick on my raspberry pi so I can use it as a desktop?
>>54016537
If you're really new, try a noob-distro before going full arch.
>>54016639
>raspberry pi
>use it as a desktop
>>54016484
>/flt/
i see what you did there
>>54016537
Arch isn't hard, but setting it up and maintaining it could be a pain if you don't feel enthusiastic about it. Other distributions don't keep you from learning anything that you could learn with Arch, but if they have an environment set up out-of-the-box, then obviously won't encourage it as much. Most distributions will let you do a minimal install if you wish to, mind.
The other Anon's point of kernel version could be valid if the laptop is new enough. Arch is far from the only option, though.
If you're going to use the Linux install for your university work, I find static release distributions, as opposed to rolling release like Arch, to give some ease-of-mind that any update won't make far-reaching changes that require user attention.
>>54016612
Chromium is in Copr for those who really want it. I recall policy changes are being made that will allow Chromium in main repos in Fedora 24, but take that with a pinch of salt.
>>54016651
Really thorough and useful advice anon, thank you. Have a hot girl picture and a nice day :)
>>54016649
so far I was using it for dns and had pihole on it to block ads on my phone
>>54016651
"Maintaining" Arch doesn't require more effort than "maintaining" any other distribution. Why do you insist on spreading stereotypes, FUD and false information? What do you get out of it? A feeling of superiority for being able to talk about "technical" things?
>>54016639
Ubuntu mate is pretty good
>>54016684
oh piss off man
>>54016634
>if it was amd, you'd have to worry
Oh please. AMD's linux drivers aren't that bad.
>>54016703
yes they are anon
my card literally doesn't work on the free driver, and with the proprietary driver, it runs slower than the integrated chip, and sounds like a helicopter taking off
>>54016684
It's not false. As I note further down, by nature of being a rolling release distribution, big changes can potentially come with any given system update. This is true whether you're running Arch or Debian Sid or whatever.
I haven't used Arch in a very long time but I do not have anything against it, and I gave no indication that I do. Please do not jump at my throat for simply making it clear that your distribution of choice is not a perfect fit for everyone.
>>54016716
I don't have either of those issues with my 69XX series card.
>>54016787
mines an 8670m
>>54016703
>>54016716
The quality of the free driver depends entirely on what card you have. My HD6850 for instance works incredibly well and I believe it holds true for most of the R600 cards. Not every other card is as lucky.
>>54016807
From looking at the RadeonFeature page at freedesktop.org, I get the feeling mobile GPUs aren't a priority. Makes me remember my old Radeon Mobility X1250. I was just happy that thing worked at all.
I can't speak for the proprietary driver. I'm staying well clear from that shit.
After upgrading root's Python 2.7's setuptools on my Bunsenlabs install, I'm getting strange unicode errors when running pip. Problem is akin to this:
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=933
I have no experience running or troubleshooting Python. Anyone have a fix?
> tfw KDE compositing breaks ranger's image preview
>>54016484
Anon from earlier this week here. I found some spare time and setup a small website with resources so we don't have to use big pasta all the time.
The website should be available on fglt.nl, but DNS may not have propagated around the world yet. There's a link in the footer to the repo in case anyone wants to add something to it.
>>54017105
> a DE breaking a TUi
well meme'd pal, just ask how to make it work instead of shiposting?
>>54017105
Did you even try adjusting the settings?
>>54017122
>nl
What the hell, neger. Why?
Also, it's not available for me. It just says it's reserved.
>>54017154
Adjusting as in so far editing the rc.conf and enabling the image viewing mode, yes.
I am using Konsole/zsh -- when I disable compositing in KDE it works, if I enable it I have huge white stripes or the images disappear immediately. I also tried the display-border option which didn't improve the situation.
>>54017153
You are retarded.
>>54017171
because .nl is cheap as fuck :'D
>>54017174
By adjusting I meant going to the settings and pressing random shit. To edit confs you should really know your stuff
>>54017177
Fair enough. Any reason why it doesn't work for me, though?
>>54017182
What? You mean ranger? I read the wiki on the image-previewing stuff.
You mean the KDE compositing? Yes, I tried all possible options and variations -- OpenGL 3.1, OpenGL 2.0, GLX, GLE, enabled, disabled etc.
>>54016537
>My friends have recommended I use Arch but my understanding is that it is quite difficult to use
are you sure those guys are your friends ?
>Which distro would you recommend?
ubuntu, mint, debian, fedora.
>I am learning to program in C++.
don't use an IDE. g++ and a text editor is all you need.
>>54017192
Because I only just updated the DNS settings, it can take up to 24 hours before all the garbage ISPs in the world take over new DNS settings. I might try to add a paste functionality to it as a little Go experiment.
>>54017205
Yea, I meant KDE comp. I ran OpenGL 2.0 for months before finally switching to 3.1, which was smooth as fuck.
>>54017234
Yep, been there, done that. The w3mimgdisplay thing is still broken unfortunately. Thanks for your help, however.
I don't necessarily need it, it won't kill me -- I primarily use Dolphin anyways. It's still neat as a mintty file explorer in case my graphical interface crashes/I can't use it.
I've been having issues with my 21:9 monitor.
I've installed Manjaro, Arch and Fedora and all of them default my monitor to a 34" genaric brand at a stretched out 1080p even with the proper drivers.
I've tried xrandr commands to add the resolution option but they've only broken it further.
I'm trying to install pinta through the terminal.
But when I try to do so I getPacman is currently in use, please wait.
I'm sure I'm not using it.
how to fix it?
>>54017262
killall pacman :^)
>>54017266
>>54017270
Why would this command help?rm /var/lib/pacman/db.lck
>>54017294
Don't forget to delete system32
>>54017294
It removes the lockfile on the database. Only do this if you're sure that pacman isn't doing anything, otherwise you may run into more pacman related troubles.
>>54017325
>lockfile on the database
You mean pacman knows it is running if this files exist?
So if pacman doesn't delete is it thinks it is running?
>>54017357
More or less. Pacman "locks" the package database so it doesn't do things without another pacman process knowing about it. Otherwise you might get conflicts or remove files that another pacman thought were there. If the lock exists, pacman will refuse to work because it can have pretty bad effects, and it would mean that either another pacman process is already running, or a previous pacman process didn't exit cleanly (which could be caused by other problems).
>>54017105
>too stupid to use program
>program doesnt work
>blames program
How I love these people.
>>54017516
bad troll or idiot? Can't tell.
Anyways I am not too stupid to use the program, I followed the wiki, made the right settings, used the w3m image displayer in standalone mode according to instructions found in the forum -- and they all had the issue with the compositor enabled.
Define how me attempting all this was stupid, did I miss something? Smartass
>>54017539
>did I miss something?
You didn't install Gentoo
>>54017553
I figured you weren't capable.
So what do you use to edit image?
GIMP isn't the most user friendly, and I haven't found a way to make PS work with Wine.
I just discovered the 4chan api.
Rate my bump limit reminder.
(If anyone knows a way to get a json value with sed only, please post!)
while :; do printf 'Updating ... \r'; [ $(curl -s "https://a.4cdn.org/g/thread/53999693.json" | python -mjson.tool | awk '/bumplimit/ { print +$2 }') = 0 ] || notify-send 'Alert!' 'Bumplimit reached!'; printf 'Idle ... \r'; sleep 10; done
virgil renderer for windows guests when???
How do I check whether a non-blocking socket has connected or not? The code I'm using is this:sock = socket(AF_INET, SOCK_STREAM | SOCK_NONBLOCK, 0);
...
if (connect(sock, (struct sockaddr *) &saddr, sizeof(saddr)) == -1 && errno != EINPROGRESS) {
// Raise error
}
...
int sock_err;
size_t sock_err_len = sizeof(int);
getsockopt(sock, SOL_SOCKET, SO_ERROR, &sock_err, &sock_err_len);
The connect() call raises an error, which is EINPROGRESS naturally, but I can't seem to get that with getsockopt. For me, getsockopt only returns 0 as in, no error. Trying to send or receive data using the socket results in EAGAIN, as the socket is not yet connected and ready.
Any ideas, /g/entlemen? I guess I could make a recv call with MSG_PEEK and check the value, but it seems kinda clunky. Then again, this is linux.
>>54013793
>>54013796
>>54013801
Firefox can read epubs with the help of addons.
Zathura has a plugin for epub.
There shouldn't be a task in linux named service.exe right?
>>54017876
Literally no, figuratively kind of.
found this pasta in the 4chan archives
maybe it's helpful for someone
1/2
>Introductory Guide To Linux V0.4
http://pastebin.com/ut77Ma1t
>Software For Linux V0.3
http://pastebin.com/Eie7rBJ0
>Becoming A Linux Wizard V0.3
http://pastebin.com/gitkAT2y
>Debian newbie script (beta)
https://github.com/Chocolate-Chip-Computing/DebianNewbieScript/
>Why Install Linux?
http://lifehacker.com/5772574/getting-started-with-linux-why-install-linux
>Why Linux is Better
http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net/
>Linux Was Once Hard to Install and Use — Now It’s Easy
http://www.howtogeek.com/192462/linux-was-once-hard-to-install-and-use-now-its-easy
>The Beginner's Guide to Creating Virtual Machines with VirtualBox
http://lifehacker.com/5204434/the-beginners-guide-to-creating-virtual-machines-with-virtualbox
>How To Run Windows Software on Ubuntu with Wine
http://www.howtogeek.com/105271/how-to-run-windows-software-on-ubuntu-with-wine
>Run Windows Apps Seamlessly Inside Linux
http://lifehacker.com/367714/run-windows-apps-seamlessly-inside-linux
>Reviews of games on Linux
http://www.penguspy.com/
>Free gaming encyclopedia
https://libregamewiki.org/Main_Page
>List of Linux games
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_games
>List of games from the ArchWiki
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/List_of_games
>How to Install Steam
http://www.webupd8.org/2012/12/steam-for-linux-now-available-to-all.html
>6 Tips For Improving Game Performance with Steam on Linux
http://www.howtogeek.com/132549/6-tips-for-improving-game-performance-with-steam-on-linux
>Learn Linux by playing a game
http://www.mprat.org/Terminus/
>4 Ways to Teach Yourself Terminal Commands in Linux
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/4-ways-teach-terminal-commands-linux-si/
>10 keyboard shortcuts to improve your Linux experience
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10-things/10-keyboard-shortcuts-to-improve-your-linux-experience/
>Learn UNIX in 10 minutes
http://freeengineer.org/learnUNIXin10minutes.html
>
So this is a malware?
I've tried to install some windows programs with WINE.
>>54017903
2/2
>LinuxCommand.org: Learning the shell.
http://linuxcommand.org/lc3_learning_the_shell.php
>Bash Shell Scripting
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Bash_Shell_Scripting
>Debian's Administrators Handbook - FREE book
https://debian-handbook.info/get/now/
>The Cow Says, Have Fun!
http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/cow-says-have-fun
>Introduction to Linux - FREE ONLINE COURSE
https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-linux-linuxfoundationx-lfs101x-2
>Learn Linux The Hard Way
https://nixsrv.com/llthw
>Linux Basics « Null Byte How-Tos - ACTUALLY FOR (ethical) HACKING
http://null-byte.wonderhowto.com/how-to/linux-basics/
>How to Compile and Install Software from Source Code on Linux
http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2012/06/install-from-source/
>Linux ricing - InstallGentoo Wiki
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/GNU/Linux_ricing
>Conky - System monitor like you were a haxxor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conky_%28software%29
>Conky - Documentation
http://conky.sourceforge.net/documentation.html
>A GUI For Managing Conky Configurations
http://www.webupd8.org/2013/07/conky-manager-gui-for-managing-conky.html
>SettingUpConky - Community Help Wiki
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpConky
>Customizing Your Bash Command Prompt
http://blog.superuser.com/2011/09/21/customizing-your-bash-command-prompt/
>How to Customize your Bash Prompt on a Linux VPS
https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-customize-your-bash-prompt-on-a-linux-vps
>X Window System
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System
>X Window System protocols and architecture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System_protocols_and_architecture
>Guide to X11
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Guide_to_X11
>Guide to Unix/Commands/X11
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Guide_to_Unix/Commands/X11
>X Window Programming
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/X_Window_Programming
>>54017903
>>54017916
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux,
is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux.
Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component
of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell
utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day,
without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU
which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are
not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a
part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system
that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run.
The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself;
it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is
normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system
is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux"
distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
>>54017862
Readium is better. Especially since Chrome apps are integrated into DEs suh as KDE
>>54017903
>http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net/
This website is pure cancer.
>>54017616
Have you actually tried learning GIMP? Everything is user unfriendly until you learn it's quirks.
>>54017616
GIMP is actually very userfriendly. Your problem is that you aren't used to it and therefore think it's difficult.
>>54017913
Anyone please?
I'm freaking out here should i kill the process?
>>54017960
You didn't say that in the first post. You are basically running windows services so you would expect to have that there, yes.
>>54018044
Download ClamAV
>>54018010
Seconded.
I'll post a thirded in a bit as soon as comment posting refreshes.
>>54016675
Federico?
>>54018057
>I'm with retarded.
>>54018044
Check where and when the process was started to find out what it is.
>>54018010
Thirded.
>>54018085
>le Loonix has no viruses maymay
I sure am with retarded
Kernel-level rootkits are usually called ring 0.
But what do you call rootkits that are even lower than Kernel-level? Say, rootkits that are integrated into the bootstrap loader or even into the BIOS firmware?
>>54018116
Actually there is no such thing like viruses; the term "virus" was created by people who run a program without knowing what it does and later get butthurt that the program did harm, e.g. tech illiterates.
>>54018056
So I should kill it no?
>>54018085
>Check where and when the process was started to find out what it is.
It was started by me at the time I tried to install the application.
ps -ef
returns that there two processesC:\windows\system32\wineboot.exe --init
C:\windows\system32\services.exe
Also I noticed that I have a PoL process running for a wine prefix that I deleted.
Could it be the cause of it? The wineprefix stalled when I tried yo use it, so i deleted it.
>>54018161
is the last modified date of services.exe the same like the other files in system32 (the date you installed wine)?
>>54018161
services.exe should be part of wine, since it's in all wine installations.
>>54016484
>/flt/
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.
Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
>>54018197
Yes both of them are the same.
It's a still remaining process from the stalled wineprefix right?~/.PlayOnLinux/wine/linux-x86/1.1.32/bin/wineserver
The stalled wineprefix if it makes any different.
it still shows in the processes even though I deleted the prefix.
>>54016484
Best GTK file manager? Thunar, Nautilus, Nemo?
>>54018226
OP tries to downgrade slowly this time.
>>54016900
r7 260x working beautifully on free driver here.
>>54018237
>Best GTK file manager?
None. Use the terminal. It's faster and more efficient than using drag and drop like a cripple.
>>54018237
spacefm
![9c0[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/TkGhIYP.jpg "9c0[1].jpg")
Damn I almost fell for os x meme.
>>54018285
OS X is >>>/fa/ tier.
It's users choose looks over quality.
>>54018237
Dolphin
If arch would suddenly disappear what distro would you switch to other than gentoo?
Just name the distro no need for explanations.
>>54018337
funtoo
oh wait that's what I already use.
>>54018337
Fedora
>>54018197
>>54018214
Anyway I killed those processes.
>>54018366
Well you're alive and posting. What was it?
>>54018348
You made me curious - I want to test it now - but sadly their website doesn't want to load.
>>54018380
Yeah I noticed it was offline as well, not sure why. It will be a temporary thing.
>>54018374
After a few tests it turns out to be a malware in the keygen that somehow could only run under wine 1.1.32, that's why it stalled.
After I deleted the prefix, the process still remained.
>>54018439
How did you come to this conclusion?
Hey guys archfag here, I updated something called ICU and now some of my programs won't start because they depended on an older version. Is there anyway to point the programs at the newer version, or will I have to reinstall the older one?
>>54018454
I've run the keygen only.
And run into the same issue.
And the keygen don't work under other wineprefix only 1.1.32
>>54018484
Fixed it by downgrading to the cached version - but anyway to have multiple versions installed at once?
>>54018489
Seriously m8 try this>>54018057
Just to make sure and all.
>tfw Plasma is becoming byootiful again
Feels good m8
>>54018529
It doesn't detect it.
I even upload it to virustotal and didn't detect it.
Does LXDE offer some tool for changing keybinds that I can install? I don't quite feel like getting used to editing the Openbox config when I'm only using it in a VM.
Worth noting is I made a netinstall of Ubuntu and chose "minimal Lubuntu desktop", so I don't have everything you'd usually find out of the box.
Hi /flt/
I'm on Firefox Aurora on Arch and the file selector switched to GTK3 I guess and its complete trash.
Can I somehow force it to use the KDE File selector instead? I don't know how you design software as bad as the GNOME guys, they should be banned from touching a keyboard
I just got i3 and installed Iceweasel on Debian. How do I make it so that it doesn't have that terminal window open on the attached pic?
>>54018484
The packages need to be built against the new ICU. The package manager by design should take care of this, pretty lame for the devs to let that in if everything that depends on it isn't built against that version.
>>54018667
assign iceweasel to a key or use something like dmenu. Or do iceweasel &
>>54018631
>Can I somehow force it to use the KDE File selector instead?
Firefox is compiled for GTK3 so it uses GTK3 filepicker.
Look for opensuse kde firefox patches.
Or use ahodesuka's filepicker patches and download a firefox version compiled for gtk2.
>I don't know how you design software as bad as the GNOME guys, they should be banned from touching a keyboard
From your post and the fact that you're using Arch I can very easily tell you have no fucking clue what you're talking about and started using linux a month ago.
So please refrain from posting opinions when you're not in position to do so.
Cheers friend
So I went balls deep into GNU/Linux, but can't find any solution to fix the GTK file picker problem.
Please don't tell me you all installed 1,5 GiB KDE trash to have a usable one.
>>54018667
use dmenu or rofi
>>54018667
You installed a tiling window manager and you're asking how to turn off tiling functionalities?
Lmao, reconsider your decisions.
Try Mod+Shift+Space to switch between tiling and floating mode.
I suspect a floating window manager like openbox would suit your needs better.
>>54018718
>it's trash
>it has something I desperately need
Pick one
>>54018719
>dmenu
>rofi
cancerous, inefficient trash
Just use hotkeys. If you insist in a "launcher", bindurxvt -geometry 82x1+5+5 -e bash -itto a key.
>>54018683
Arch is shit is why. This is why I switched distros. They let these break out of incompetence, it has nothing to do with being too new.
>>54018751
>installing a whole DE for a single feature
>>54018718
I just use the gtk file picker. It's fine. If you're that autistic switch to KDE.
>>54018718
https://gist.github.com/ahodesuka
>>54018762
I actually prefer Plasma. File picker out of the box is an added bonus.
>>54018767
outdated and useless
>>54018779
>update: 3 days ago
Daily reminder: Linus Torvalds, the creator of the Linux operating system, said that calling Linux "GNU/Linux" is, quote, "ridiculous".
file roller stopped working for mefile-roller -h whatever.zip
it does extract, but the -h was suppose to extract it in to a directory of the same name as the archive
maybe something with gnome 3.20 update? loads of things behave differently I feel...
anyone else started to have this problem?
or is there some nice simple alternative to file roller that works everywhere on all archives?
>>54018795
>for gtk2
waste of time
>>54018718
Meme hat distro
https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/jkisielewicz/gtk2-filepicker-iconview/
Amazuntu
https://launchpad.net/~helkaluin/+archive/ubuntu/gtk2-filechooser-iconview
Autism Linux
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/gtk2-patched-filechooser-icon-view/
Absolute Madmen:
https://gist.github.com/ahodesuka/01213036b58e510dc074
https://gist.github.com/ahodesuka/49c1d0eea4b64f24c4c7
>>54018812
Go back to your walled garden DE m8
>>54018796
Daily reminder that most Linux systems refer to themselves as GNU/Linux.
>>54018796
We know
Some of us agree
its cheapening the brand of Linux to call it GNU... with absolutely ZERO benefits for the community
>>54018796
>Sadly, a kernel by itself gets you nowhere. To get a working system you
>need a shell, compilers, a library etc. These are separate parts and may
>be under a stricter (or even looser) copyright. Most of the tools used
>with linux are GNU software and are under the GNU copyleft.
-- Linus, https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/Historic/old-versions/RELNOTES-0.01
>>54018820
Can never figure out which is the absolute madmen distro
>>54018820
Firefox is switching to gtk 3.
>>54018796$ uname -o
GNU/Linux
I will continue to call my operating system the way it calls (or prefers to call) itself
>>54018826
>>Some of us agree
Tech illiterates, who miss the whole point of GNU/Linux in general. Yes.
>>54018828
I won't even comment.
Pic. related is enough to destroy your idiotic implication.
>>54018843
you can still compile it with gtk2, also it still depends on gtk2 and will so for a long long time because addons use it.
>>54018843
It switched years ago.
How does it change anything?
>>54018853
>>54018796
I'd just like to interject for another moment. The person you're referring
as Linus has, in fact, done just a kernel for the GNU operating system,
or as I've recently taken to calling it, nothing. Linus is not a programmer
unto himself, but rather another leech in a fully functioning software team
made useful by GNU developers.
Many computer users run his lackluster version of the GNU system every day,
without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the finnish reject
who is widely popular today is often called a "programmer", and many of
his followers are not aware that he stole his ideas from the GNU system,
developed by the GNU project.
There really is a Linus Torvalds, and these people are worshiping him,
but he is just another attention whore in the software world. Linus is an
egotist: someone who wastes resources to develop his knockoff kernel that
you run. Linus is not an essential person in the project and is useless by
himself; he can only function in the shadow of a complete software team.
>>54018854
>>54018880
1) Not all Linux OSes use GNU
2) the only thing that all Linux distros have in common is the Linux kernel, therefore it makes sense to call it "Linux"
3) there are many other essential components to a distro besides the GNU stuff
"GNU/Linux" is a nice meme for /g/ but in the real world everyone calls it Linux, which is appropriate.
Why is the GNU logo so retarded looking, and why did they pick a retarded name like GNU?
>>54018749
I don't want to turn off tiling. I want to open the web browser on the same window as the terminal that I used to start it.
>>54018698iceweasel &gives the same result as my previous pic. I'll look how to bind it to a key.
>>54018853
well I am all ears for you to explain to me what benefit in the last 10 years came from calling it gnu linux be that small percentage of vocal activists
go ahead
>>54018912
Well the guy who created GNU believes child sex should be legal ("nothing wrong if the child consents" - his literal words) and he eats toe jam in public. So there's that.
>>54018921
Jesus christ, this misinformation shit is getting /pol/ tier. Listen here you braindead fuck: GNU/Linux is the CORE operating system. The thing that ships DEs. Browsers and other stuff is called DISTRO and should be called by it's name; eg. Ubuntu, Parabola, etc. These all are build around the GNU/Linux operating system.
Fuck finally off with your retarded memes.
>>54018899
Except the majority of software websites that offer linux drivers or port of their software say download for GNU/Linux. check yourself.
You trying to be smart is a meme, only reason such simple things became memes is because people get annoyed and confused - so someone is getting satisfied by all the chaos posting memes generate.
>>54018707
>From your post and the fact that you're using Arch I can very easily tell you have no fucking clue what you're talking about and started using linux a month ago.
It seems like using Arch is orthogonal to how much Gnome sucks donkey dicks. I've been using it since before 3 and its literally fucking garbage.
I've had the distinct displeasure of having to use it throughout all of its horrible iterations for work and the like
People who design software like that are explicitly anti-user. From the way those assholes treat their respectful users and their concerns and requests on mailing lists, to the absolute shitware they vomit out every release
And its not just the GNOME devs, its the Red Hat cabal really. The problem extends to dipshits like Poettering as well
Getting back to the file picker "you don't know what you're talking about" isn't really a valid response, they somehow managed to make the GTK3 picker be worse than the GTK2 one. And... it can't even organize by type or tell folders apart from files
And it can't even recognize double click.
The software they put out is garbage.
>>54018931
>>Well the guy who created GNU believes child sex should be legal
Fuck off spreading lies. Just create your "Linux OS" thread and shut up finally.
>>54018921
Maybe we should call it Other/Linux, hahahhaha
GNUfags BTFO
>>54018963
you seem to fail to answer the question
>>54018912
This should tell you enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t96m2ynKw0
>>54018963
But the infographic is right gnu tools and kernel are pretty much equal, sometimes some distros have more gnu tool as in % and in general gnu tools repesent 13% of the whole distro an linux usually 9% the other software are marked there because they're shiped with distros by default.
If you would only use kernel + gnu without anything else then you would have 60% gnu 40% kernel.. what's so hard to understand?
>>54018988
>>54019014
Please don't reproduce.
>>54019023
Late springfags...
>>54018978
So let's see....
>http://distrowatch.com/
calls it "Linux", right in its motto "Use Linux, BSD!"
>Wikipedia
Entry is "Linux". Calls the OS Linux. Mentions that there is some fringe of crazy hippies that want to change the name but the Wiki article is named LINUX
OK let's pick a random popular Distro, Fedora
>https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview
CTRL+F "GNU" no mention anywhere. Calls it simply "Linux"
RedHat Linux is not RedHat GNU/Linux
>Red Hat Enterprise Linux
Search GNU on their website... nowhere
Wow truly literally everyone calls it "GNU" just like you said .... not.
If anyone is interested why you should call it GNU/Linux, please read: http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html
This FAQ by RMS should give anwers to all memes.
When RMS dies the GNU bullshit will slowly die off
Its what happens when you choose retarded name
if you ever seen a video where someone is forcefully trying to use GNU slash Linux in their speech you would understand
Sorry, maybe you want some credit, but theres MANY people who dont get credit
As Stallman said himself:
>Since a long name such as GNU/X11/Apache/Linux/TeX/Perl/Python/FreeCiv becomes absurd, at some point you will have to set a threshold and omit the names of the many other secondary contributions
Well he just wants to cut out others, but dont like being cut out by himself
Linux will survive Stallman and term gnu linux will slowly die off after he stops harping
All this opinion of mine does not mean I am not fan of open source and dont think that Stallman is right in other stuff.. but he is quite littearlly aspie as fuck, so you get bad with the good
too bad that lower IQ fold choose to follow everything he say, they dont think why should they, what benefit does it bring, they just do
>inb4 link to stallmans explanations
I read it many times
>>54018982
Are you claiming Stallman never said child sex should be legal if the child consents? Do you want me to provide quotes you little noob? You must be new here, babby.
>>54019068
Even when 99 out of 100 people call horseshit dogshit, it's still horseshit.
>>54019085
Until the last few years no one gave a shit.Then the Internet/Reddit.com and Internet/Tumblr/SJW took over and wanted some sort of "justice".Since the 90's no one gave a shit about the name,it was just Linux,as it should be
>>54019113
I remember when it was all about penguin logos and love linux
then stallmanists arrived
>cancer rolls in and start the usual its not gnu its linux bait
>all the retards fall for it
>100+ or horseshit as usual
And i thought /flt/ was supposed to be free of the usual /g/ cancer.
Guess was wrong.
Fuck all of you
Next time, just ignore that "Linux OS" guy. He derailed the thread with success using low ass quality bait. No need for 200 posts out of 310 about telling tech illiterates to fuck off.
Also next thread /fglt/ pls. We are a friendly thread and friendly people educate each other with information, rather than disinformation.
>>54018963
I use busybox/cqlibc/malloc and not gnu.
Why should i be forced to call it gnu when i dont even use anything from the smelly neckbeard?
>>54019068
Mozilla:
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/34.0.5/system-requirements/
VLC:
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-debian.html
I just checked two websites of software which are very popular - you literally just posted me some distros website nothing relevant as usually distros other than Ubuntu, fedora, rhel have very little world wide usage, little to insignificant.
Are you retarded tho does a name hit some nerves? How immature, autistic or retarded do you have to be to fall so badly for a mere meme.
>>54019156
it used to be
then recentlty the gnu crowd wanned to make it /fglt/ or something like that
then you get push back when you are trying to go full retard
>>54018931
Keep in mind that there's no doubt he has some manner of autism. The actual kind, not the "I don't like this so it's autistic" kind. It's very probable that statements like that are made without consideration for the assumptions people will make around it. In this case, it can easily be said that sexual intercourse between the consenting parties is fine, which is essentially what what RMS said boils down to. The issue is of course whether the consent of a child can safely be regarded as actual consent (no), but that topic doesn't get broached and instead people just assume that he implicitly means that it can.
Just wanted to clear that up. Move along, folks.
>>54019184
>VLC
Hahah
Yeah VLC is more authoritative than Wikipedia, Red Hat, ....
>>54019186
fucking g*y linux thread
>>54019203
Wikipedia is a public website where you can edit, publish articles. It does not represent an authority over information, rather just a source of inspiration - an sort of index for information.
You're free to call it however you want, if you're using the kernel with your own tools or something else do it, if you use it with GNU tools which offer you the desktop experience - then just call it Linux, people just like to properly inform every one else and call it as it is... half gnu tools half kernel.
Just don't be autistic over a name, and especially stop being sheep and following what others do.
Hey GNUfags, if you are so right why don't you change the name on Wikipedia?
>Linux is a Unix-like and mostly POSIX-compliant[12] computer operating system (OS) assembled under the model of free and open-source software development and distribution.
>>54019177
> what is Arch Hurd
> what is Debian GNU/Hurd
> what it Debian GNU/kFreeBSD
>>54019222
then go edit it
they will lock you out because gnu crowd already tried pushing it
read more on GNU issues
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU/Linux_naming_controversy
and why are you fighting for GNU sides
tell me in your words what benefits did they brought you in?
stallman is just trying to make himself be relevant so he can launch from that platform his political stuff with more authority
>>54019222
Wikipedia is a website where you have to BACK YOUR EDITS WITH ARGUMENTS. Try to change it to GNU/LINUX and write the reason for the change and see what happens. Who do you think edits the Linux article, random Ubuntu users? You'll get smacked by people who are closely involved in core Linux projects.
>>54019177
Nobody is forcing you to call these GNU/Linux, since it would be wrong.
Doesn't change the fact that the GNU/Linux operating system is called GNU/Linux operating system, faggot.
>>54019248
Stallmen admits him self that Hurd is a failure and should not be used by anyone,and that he is ok with this.
RMS is basically a homeless loser who hasn't made any real contributions in the last 20 years. He is still super butthurt that Linux beet HURD (but hey, HURD just got basic sound support in 2016!) and basically tries to claim Linux because Linus used GCC and the GNU coreutils. He survives on the charity of others and speaking engagements where he spouts his insane, paranoid, philosophy. Basically he won't be happy until all the programmers are homeless hackers like him and all the companies are shut down. How people are supposed to support themselves and their families in that scenario aren't things he has to deal with because he is basically a permanent grad student. He does make some good points about privacy, but for him, there is no middle ground. Anything that may reduce your privacy even the slightest bit (like movie recommendations on Netflix) is evil according to him, and must be destroyed. In a lot of ways he show classic signs of mental splitting, which is a classic symptom of mental illness. To top it off, when he does write code, he does so in the style of the awful GNU style guide which is a crime against humanity IMHO.
So, in a nutshell:
He's a bird-fucking, self-absorbed, power hungry, toe jam eating pedophile that thinks everything should be free and everyone should be forced to share, who looks like he hasn't showered in years so as to create a static shield around his body to protect from aliens. He also created an OS without a kernel because he's basically Steve Jobs gone communist. Oh, and he calls himself doctor though he holds no PhD.
>>54019261
Its called Linux,since the 90's,when this orginally started,and was forgotten for 20 years till these autists want to change it to give stallmen unwarrented credit,for shit he didnt do.
Ill give him GPL,thats about the only significant thing he ever made.
>>54019252
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - I rarely use wikipedia to inform myself - I prefer to pirate text books and search trough them the information I need.
I call it Linux, I use the term GNU/Linux here to avoid unnecessary trolling - but people that get autistic about it are just as worse as trolls.
>>54019252
>>stallman is just trying to make himself be relevant
Wrong. Stallman is trying to make freedom relevant, since this was his goal when he created the GNU project in the 80, but people think it's a hobby project called "Linux" made by some student who doesn't give a fuck about freedom.
>>54019277
It's called GNU since the 80. GNU/Linux is a variant of the GNU operating system.
>>54019295
thats the explanation from fucking 30 years ago!!!!
just because he did not updated it, it does not mean the world did not move on
NO ONE FUCKING THINGS LINUX IS SOME STUDENT PROJECT
please stop propagating such nonsense
we are in the age where windows is forced by devs to put ubuntu and bash in to latest windows version
How awesome is that
and GNU naming did not help with any of that, just some fun issue to argue about
it changes nothing and dies off because its kinda pointless in that name
>>54019295
Man, I don't take sides but even I can see it's called Linux almost everywhere ... the only place I see this "GNU/Linux" name is here on /g/
>>54019320
>>we are in the age where windows is forced by devs to put ubuntu and bash in to latest windows version
Yeah, the so called "Linux command line", right, faggot?
Just make a filter that auto hides posts with keyword "gnu/linux" in and stop being autistic.
>>54018698
I did it, thanks, mate.
>>54019330
let that sink in: >>54019104
ANYONE?>>54018811
ANYONE?>>54018811
>>54019345
The thead would be empty
>>54019366
atool
>>54019345
Nah, the OS is called Linux and the GNU autists should be reminded every time of the fact that it is LINUX not GNU.
>>54019377
>atool
fileroller is GUI not a script
>>54019378
But Linux is just a kernel, anon-kun.
>>54019388
Thanks for the info.
>>54019397
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
It's Darwin/OSX, not OSX.
>>54019397
So is "GNU/Linux" the entire OS you use? Do you use the X server? The person who originated X said he thinks it's ridiculous to only take "GNU" as an important component and name it after that.
"Linux" is the name of the Kernel, yes, but people started naming "Linux" the whole thing. So now it's Linux. Language is a dynamic thing.
>>54019378
Look at >>54018854
I'm running Intel HD 3000 (sandy bridge integrated) and apparently Firefox does not support Hardware Decoding. Is there any way to enable it by installing some packages or am I doomed?
>>54019422
>So is "GNU/Linux" the entire OS you use?
Yes. What you areferring to are GNU/Linux distros, which ship different additional packages.
>>54019422
>So now it's Linux. Language is a dynamic thing.
see >>54019104
>>54019419
Darwin is the name of the OS.
XNU is it's kernel
So it would be
Darwin/XNU.
And OS X being the tradename.
Like Fedora
Or Ubuntu
>>54019423
Yeah I posted both those posts.
"Linux" is just the kernel and doesn't cover the whole distro you use.
But "Linux/GNU" DOESN'T COVER IT EITHER.
You should call it "Gnu/X/Linux/..." then... it makes no sense.
People simply took the name of the kernel and started naming the whole system after that. That's how natural language works. Just accept it.
Even if you don't accept it, people will keep calling it Linux and the real world outside of /g/ will never use the clumsy hard to pronounce name "GANUU SLASH LEENOX". Never.
>>54019270
He actually has a PhD you fucktard. Honoris Cause by the swedish royal institution
>>54019474
I know that's how natural languages work, and I agree with you: everyone (the great majority of people) started calling an OS that uses Linux as its kernel "Linux", so now it's Linux. It's still technically wrong to refer to such an OS as "Linux".
So say a guy has a CentOS 7 install, and something happened and now the first option in Grub doesn't boot right. It just ends with dracut losing its shit. An earlier kernel in the list boots fine. What can I do to fix this?
>>54019474
>People simply took the name of the kernel and started naming the whole system after that.
And this is an error which needs to be fixed.
A music plyer != mp3 player
Image editing != photoshopped
Searching the web != "to google"
Feel free to call it Linux around tech illiterates, but since this board is a tech board, call it by it's correct name.
But if you care about the history, even around tech illiterates call it GNU/Linux, so when they search it up, they're getting to know that the thing was created so people can have freedom in computing, not because Linux Torvalds had a lucky run.
>>54017903
>>54017916
I can include these on fglt.nl if you want.
I use Computer/Linux/Systemd/Logind/Userd/X11/Getty/X11 server/Fluxbox/Chromium/Internet/4chan.org/G/FLT/Text entry form/This message
>>54019270
>that thinks everything should be free and everyone should be forced to share
My main beef with him is that he doesn't seem to be actively contributing to software anymore. He hasn't done anything of note in a long time.
The best way to spread his ideology isn't by being a weirdo and preaching when you don't even look respectable or inspiring
The best way is to create incredible software that people *have* to use and slap a big fat GPL license on it
But that would actually require work so Stallman doesn't do it. Instead he lives off of money he gets for speaking and god knows what else. I don't need to hear your arguments again for the millionth time
You know what would make the GPL more popular and far more powerful?
>An office suite that didn't suck
>A DE that didn't suck
>An OS that rivaled OSX or Windows, not some cobbled together effort like Linux with your favorite DE with things people want for productivity and entertainment -- games, media players, etc and it should all WORK
GCC was like the most amazing shit forever but its being replaced by Clang pretty much everywhere. Instead of using his resources and skill to replace closed alternatives he just went around being a fat slob speaking about shit 99.99% of people don't care about.
Pragmatism >>>>> Philosophy
>>54019593
Nice to see your website is up!
But tbqh, these links
>>54017903
>>54017916
are mostly shit.
Someone should filter out the shit like cowsay blogposts etc.
>>54019580
The thing is: The GNU/Linux denomination is unilateral. No one goes around saying Windows/NT because MS stated the OS was to be called "Windows".
Calling it Linux is also incorrect as it only refers to the kernel it uses.
>Friendly GNU/Linux Thread
Fuck you. Why can't I resolve to a DNS anymore when I start openvpn. It still worked yesterday and then it just breaks for no reason? Makes me sick.
>>54019580
So the international standard of calling paper square which is reinforced with multiple layers of paper is what should be used intead of Kleenex?
Plastic rubber strip with adhesive and liquid sucking material should be used instead of Band-Aid?
>>54019626
openvpn dns issues are gay. Had similar issues way back, you have to put dns server in either client or server config.
>>54019631
Technically? Yes. But natural languages don't always go along with what's technically correct. And that's fine.
>>54019651
I'm too dumb for this. I already needed an hour to find the root of this problem.
>>54019008
I'm now sure if this is amazing or horrifying
>>54019508
calm down
honorary PhD can be given to anyone, from presidents to dogs
>>54019656
So you're agreeing that the international standard is what things should be called?
So it's Linux
Look at at this retard
https://w0bm.com/b/1458608025.webm
>>54019620
I might look into filtering through the shit when I get home. I also have some additional resources to add to the site and I was considering to update the IRC page with guides on how to setup HexChat, irssi and WeeChat. And a paste service would be neat.
So many things to do, so little time to do it in.
>>54019716
Sometimes it's hard to distinguish between people who actually want intelligent discussion and people who just enjoy trolling the thread with bullshit.
This time it wasn't hard.
>>54019774
Oh you want intelligent discussion?
Can you please lay out your understanding of how the GNU/Linux is helping the Linux community?
Please, some actual arguments if you are interested in the discussion.
>>54019792
Not the guy you're trying to troll, but
>GNU GPL
>>54019716
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHGTs1NSB1s
>>54018147
Anyone?
>>54019811
And?
>>54019809
I re-read and I see that it should have beenL
How is naming it and calling it GNU+Linux or GNU/Linux helping the community when most of the world knows it as just Linux?
>>54019809
no one calls it gnu gpl
we just call it gpl2 or gpl3
>>54019864
So that 0.0001% of people will go "HMM WHATS THIS "GNU" THING?" and google it. Then they'll go on the FSF's site and get indoctrinated. That's the only use.
Confess your sins?
I'd like to not use proprietary Nvidia drivers, but it can't be helped when I do occasionally gayme on the desktop. AMD is my next buy, I want to get rid of this 970. Also, upgrading sometimes overrides the nvidia driver since Debian's package is still at 352.*, making me reinstall the drivers again. As a semi-related thing, I read somewhere that the Nvidia driver doesn't like 4.4. Is that true?
>>54019864
Most people are retarded. That's not new.
>>54019879
Nobody argued that. He asked how GNU/Linux was helping the Linux community. I replied by informing him that it was GNU that made the GPL, and that Linux' popularity has been due to their choice of license.
>>54019882
Please avoid using the term “google” as a verb, meaning to search for something on the internet. “Google” is just the name of one particular search engine among others. We suggest to use the term “search the web” or (in some contexts) just “search”. Try to use a search engine that respects your privacy.
>>54019907
I asked it
you replied
I altered what I asked because I meant the name
what actual contribution
be sure I know about GNU actual contribution
I am just unclear on why we should damage the naming by making it complicated and unclear
>>54019917
>This is the face of GNU and the FSF
Just imagine if he had been more likeable, charismatic and actually created more useful stuff how much better off Free Software could have been.
>>54018337
Debian. Then again, I don't use Arch.
Linus on FSF (Stallman)
How they lied to him about GPL3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaKIZ7gJlRU
>>54019930
The GPL is a very important contribution. So are all the utilities you use from the GNU foundation, most notably gcc. I'm fine with however you call the OS though, but saying GNU played no part is simply wrong. I don't see anything wrong with people calling it GNU+Linux either, since they just want to properly acknowledge the important contributions GNU has made. Stop being an autistic fuck and just use whatever you think is correct.
>>54018337
Manjaro
>>54019889
4.4.5 works fine with 361.28
>>54018337
>switch
Why would I switch to anything if Arch finally disappears? I've been happy with Funtoo for ages.
>>54019986
Who is saying gnu played no part
we are just getting tired of stallman worshiping and gnu pushing everywhere
can you just quit for a second and dont throw tantrum when someone makes /flt/ and not /flgt/?
We know about GNU contributions, they are in the past now and it serve no purpose to damage the name. The End.
