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Would it really be so bad if AMD went bankrupt? Sure, CPU and GPU development would stagnate and prices skyrocket, but that's the point. If you already have a powerful computer now, it would also stay powerful and retain its value. No more upgrading every 2 years just to keep up with bloatware coded by pajeets. Developers would actually have to optimize their code instead of relying on non-existent future hardware.
I'm Nvidia/Intel fanboy but AMD going bankrupt would be terrible.
>>54000447
What would it change? Nvidia already has ~85% market share on GPUs, and AMD CPUs aren't competitive at all.
>>54000519
Nvidia would go full jew with their monopoly.
>>54000534
Like they don't already. Even with a monopoly they can't go full retard like sell GTX 950s for $500 because no one would buy them.
Intel's CPU are good, but their igpu are trash. Nvidia is gonna raise the price insanely high and go fully monopoly.
>>54000398
t. Bernie Supporter
>>54000591
They can't raise the prices indefinitely if they still want so sell something.
>>54000398
>Let's stop making better things
Honestly, fuck off
>>54000605
They could raise them 50% to 200% if no competition, depending which is the sweetspot for monopolies in this field
>>54000614
>better
ayy
>>54000602
Fucking neocon filth
>>54000614
Intel already stopped making better things 5 years ago, at least for consumers.
>>54000398
Why there's nobody else that makes processor other than these 2?
>>54000664
not profitable, due to big investment costs and probably both companies hold many patents
>>54000664
Because it takes boatloads of money to develop a modern processor. That's also the reason why AMD can't compete anymore. They don't have enough money for R&D.
I think it's in our best interest if things like this keep getting better:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_%28supercomputer%29
https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2015/12/10/machine-learning-gpu-facebook/
>>54000630
we should bankrupt AMD, take their money and pay for free college :DD
>>54000605
You're not old enough to know the time when a brand new Pentium 90MHz system retailed for $5000, leaving the poorfags to settle for a 486SX for $2000. With no option to assemble one yourself.
God bless Cyrix.
>>54000646
>muh clock speeds
It sounds like you don't know much about processor technology.
If software isn't getting better/faster, it's not intel's fault.
>>54000664
Plenty, actually.
It's just that they either focused on mobile sector (smartphones and whatnot) or embedded processors (TV, air conditioning unit, microwave oven, radar, navigational unit, shit like that).
It's cheaper and easier to make embedded processor. Hell the ones that we made for Garmin about as fast as an old pentium 2 processor.
>>54000760
No. It's our worst. They want to make AI's to analyze all the data that botnets collect from us.
>>54000761
>implying tumblr would ever support a white male
>>54000789
It's not just about clock speeds, but IPC or even the number of cores haven't increased either.
>>54000398
>introducing extension xyz
>pressure developers into using xyz
>only available in the newest generation chips xddddd
>cripple older chips with driver updates
>buy now or your gaymes will be slow as shit
>>54000807
So it was bad thing that someone came up with a wheel because here we are in a dystopian darkness ??
things were so good and everyone was happy.
>>54000810
Somehow they do.
>>54000806
>Hell the ones that we made for Garmin about as fast as an old pentium 2 processor
>>54000881
They really don't though. See: the bernie bros meme
>He doesn't see why monopoly is bad
>He doesn't see why competition can only be a good thing.
You truly are retarded and should get some education.
>>54000398
The Console peasants keep them in business, don't worry about AMD. They're doing fine.
>>54000784
Fuck cyrix and their PR bs. Their approximation bullshit was not even accurate. 90mhz chip being labeled the PR120.
amd are just there to be a false competition for intel and nvidia and so they dont have to pay astronomically high taxes if they have a monopoly.
>>54000998
they're losing the xbox contract nvidia according to several LinkedIn profiles. thats 25+ million units lost in potential sales. microsoft are going full upgradable consoles next gen so thats even more money lost for amd.
>>54001093
xbox contract to* nvidia
>>54000398
I actually see no problem with AMD, always supported them for good quality, service and ideas. If you need something good and cheap, AMD is great. Never had a problem, specially bang for buck.
>>54000562
ur dumb
>>54000903
Your car GPS doesn't need 8-core,14nm architecture, running at 3.2Ghz with 128mb cache.
Hell even the stepping maching (to transfer mask pattern into wafer) in our fab couldn't fabricate devices smaller than 0.2 micron
>>54000398
You are officially too dumb to post,
fuck, you are too dumb to know how to turn on PC and connect to internet..
And this is why we never, ever should support Win95 and little pictures dumb people can press and they go places.
There were some God damn dumb motherfuckers on usenet(news servers, call'em as you like) but at least when you talked to people on hr.hardware. discussion
>>54001150
>If you need something good and cheap, AMD is great. Never had a problem, specially bang for buck.
for americans, yeah. most euro countries have nvidia cheaper. thats where probably most of nvidia sales are from.
>>54000398
stay in school kid.
>>54001181
What are you doing anyway?
>>54001192
I'm Northen European and no, AMD is still better vs bang for buck, just bought a R9 380 because the 960 was way pricier and not as good.
>>54000998
This. PS4 APU is AMD I think.
Even If you don't buy AMD products (I don't), having competition is good. For example, AMD CPUs may be good for office pcs. And some of their GPUs are actually good for a budget gaymen pc.
Just stop being such a jew, op
>>54001234
>most euro countries
>most
only shitholes like spain or Scandinavia have amd cheaper, and wherever you live.
>>54001224
Package testing; QC test for each and every finished processors
>>54001263
>actually moving to Scandinavia because of better life, no niggers and friendlier enviroment.
Does Germany have them cheaper?
>>54001286
according to amazon.de, no. 960 is cheaper on average.
>>54001363
Holy shit, those prices, I got my R9 380 Nitro for 190eur at a local shop, with backplate and that was a few months ago. In Germany they are 208eur and the 960 is even more.
>>54001393
in germany the cheapest 960 on amazon is 192 euro and the cheapest 380 is 206 euro. in the stores the 960 will be even cheaper.
>>54001192
this isnt true, the ratio in their pricing is the same in europe except the currency is in euros instead of dollars and so hardware is generally more expensive because of that depending on how strong the dollar and euro are
your personal anecdotal experience about pricing in the shitty local shop you buy from is wrong because its the same situation there as well
>>54001424
I can see an asus 380 going for 190 on the german amazon
>>54001281
Cool. How's the pay? What's the qualification?
>>54001424
those are probably 2GB 960 old stock cards you idiot
>>54001424
And yet they sell the R9 380 Nitro in my local shop, witch is the best 380 for less, I have no clue how much it might be now, I haven't checked the shop. But at the time when I had to pick between 960 and 380, the 960 was way over 200eur something and the 380 was 190eur. So funny, after you said that our prices suck, that our prices here up north are better.
>>54001466
>pay
2500 sgd. around 1800 burgers
>qualification
Diploma in electric/electronic/mechanical engineering. I got a degree in physics tho (I was desperate for a job)
Is Vega gonna be AMD's Titan? What's the expected price point for that beast?
>>54001433
no. in the uk everyone i know and even the awkward faggots in the uni programmers council have nvidia because they're cheaper on average. for example, by using a price comparison site, the cheapest 970 is about 20 quid cheaper than the cheapest 390 which is equivalent to about 30 burgerfat dollars
>>54001190
Chill down, old beard. Don't get a heart attack.
>>54001474
and the cheapest 380's also have 2gb. whats your point?
>>54001578
Not him, but my 190eur 380 Nitro is 4GB dipshit.
Ofc 2GB 960's are cheaper then 4GB 380's, but even then, 4GB 960's suck more then 4GB 380's.
>>54001619
so you got a one off good deal on your 380 which most people won't get. i got a evga 980 ftw for only 50 quid more than a 970. i'm not saying 980's are only 320 quid now am i.
use your brain man, seriously.
>>54001659
Yeah, but they are probably selling the 380's even cheaper now because it was no deal, it was normal price. Being it was a shop in a big city then the other shops in the country must be selling around the same price. That's what I'm saying, been using my brain all the time.
>>54001659
the 380 is the same price as a 960 in europe, what are you going on about retard, retailers can fix the price slightly depending on what is selling and what isnt or not dropping prices on something so they dont lose money which is what is happening
also idiots like OP and people actually thinking nvidia is a better buy than amd at the same price "just because" are an insult to intelligence
>>54001698
>Being it was a shop in a big city then the other shops in the country must be selling around the same price.
your post is based on speculation. all cards will be at around the same price as they are on amazon since they all use the euro. since the 380 is more expensive right now that means the majority of europe will have it as more expensive. also how do you know that was the cheapest 960 varient available. any shop i goto only display gigabyte, msi and evga 960 even though zotac and pny models are way cheaper.
>>54001192
>>54001263
>>54001363
>>54001424
>>54001578
>>54001698
You're absolutely retarded for using Amazon.de as a reference for Hardware prices in Germany:
http://geizhals.de/?cat=gra16_512&xf=1440_R9+380~132_4096#xf_top
http://geizhals.de/?cat=gra16_512&xf=1439_GTX+960~132_4096#xf_top
The only tier where Nvidia is cheaper, as of currently, is the 970. (vs the 390).
>>54001759
Thanks!
>>54001759
>960 4gb
>€ 188
>380 4gb
>€ 187
literally 1 euro different AND the 970 is cheaper than the 390. you get the better products for same/less price than the worse amd equivalent. thanks, you just proved my point about why people saying amd is better because its cheaper is a meme except in burgerland.
>>54000867
no one invented the wheel for the purpose of profiling people for possible oppression, goy
>>54001821
>AND the 970 is cheaper than the 390.
That's figuratively what I said.
>Le AMD is inferior meme
Yeah, a 960 is just as fas- oh, wait:
http://www.computerbase.de/thema/grafikkarte/rangliste/
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/R9_380X_Strix/23.html
>You just proved my point
You stated the 380 being more expensive you baiting faggot.
I'm almost certain that another would step in the ring. It would be kinda shit for the first year, but we'd be back to square one eventually. It's not like AMD or Nvidia set the bar terribly high.
>>54001888
Woah, thanks for clearning things up, I already started to believe that baiting fanboi retard.
>>54001888
>That's figuratively what I said.
except the website you linked confirmed it
>https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/R9_380X_Strix/23.html
>gta 5
>960 2gb at 11fps
except i just watched a fucking video which shows the 2gb get over 100fps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcg3SpQYH6o
>You stated the 380 being more expensive you baiting faggot.
it still is in my country. too bad you live in shitty 3rd worlder like germany. as was mentioned before, its cheaper in MOST countries. the eu isnt made up of fucking 4 countries.
>>54001888
the 960 and 380 are neck and neck
http://www.techspot.com/review/1093-amd-radeon-380x/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9784/the-amd-radeon-r9-380x-review/
the 960 actually has good leads in some games.
>>54002009
>except i just watched a fucking video which shows the 2gb get over 100fps
>No MSAA
>Population density and distance scaling down to half
>Extended distance scaling to zero
I don't play GTA V, but Ambient Occlusion being "Normal" and other stuff only set on "high" doesn't seem Ultra to me. Several magazines test settings at Ultra presets, and the 960 is very likely to run out of VRAM there, as it is already close to hitting it in your video with adjusted "ULTRA-High" settings. This isn't even difficult to understand if you weren't acting as /v/-spillover.
>it still is in my country. too bad you live in shitty 3rd worlder like germany
Maybe you should learn what "3rd World" means before throwing it around like a buzzword:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World
>its cheaper in MOST countries
You haven't posted one source on this. Also, pretty much any (relevant :^)) EU-Country can purchase and import from germany with no additional fees, aside from higher shipping costs.
>http://www.techspot.com/review/1093-amd-radeon-380x/
The 960 loses 4-6 against the 380, and the only game with a significant favor to the 960 is CoD, with 11fps resp. ~10% faster. Othwerwise it only wins by 1-3fps or is even, whereas the 380 wins more significantly (5fps/12% in FC4, 4fps/8% in TW3 and 11fps/29% in SoM).
>http://www.anandtech.com/show/9784/the-amd-radeon-r9-380x-review/
Whilst the 960 looks equal to slightly better here, Anandtech is leaving out several recent games, featuring only 8 in total - whilst both of my sources feature 15 (Techpowerup) resp. 17 (http://www.computerbase.de/2015-05/grafikkarten-testverfahren-testsystem/) games. The same goes against the Techspot review, featuring only ten.
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>>54002802
>>54002009
>>54002085
Another issue is that I cannot find anything about the exact GPU models and their clockspeeds on Anandtech, Techspot and Techpowerup. Computerbase declares it here: http://www.computerbase.de/2015-05/grafikkarten-testverfahren-testsystem/2/#abschnitt_die_tatsaechlichen_taktraten
Their "default" 960 clocks at 1289MHz, their "OC"-model featuring 1393MHz. The 380 goes on 970MHz.
I guess everyone can decide for themselves which sources are more accurate.
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One of these threads again.
>>54002802
>I don't play GTA V, but Ambient Occlusion being "Normal" and other stuff only set on "high" doesn't seem Ultra to me. Several magazines test settings at Ultra presets, and the 960 is very likely to run out of VRAM there, as it is already close to hitting it in your video with adjusted "ULTRA-High" settings. This isn't even difficult to understand if you weren't acting as /v/-spillover.
>its illegal to run games at a setting which actually gives you good performance
damage control
>Maybe you should learn what "3rd World" means before throwing it around like a buzzword
implying cuckmany isn't already a 3rd world shithole with all those immigrants running around raping everyone all the fucking time.
>You haven't posted one source on this. Also, pretty much any (relevant :^)) EU-Country can purchase and import from germany with no additional fees, aside from higher shipping costs.
>its ok to pay high shipping costs just to buy amd from another country
>The 960 loses 4-6 against the 380
losing in 2 (two) games apparently makes one card better than the other. ok mate, ok.
>Whilst the 960 looks equal to slightly better here...
>Whilst
i predicted this. i knew you'd start to damage control when the benchmarks favor the 960. just face the simple fact that the 960 is equal to, if not better than the 380 for the same price or cheaper. (depending on country)
Yes,remember that gtx 770 you bought in early late 2013/early-mid 2014? It's shit now.
>>54003060
>>54002802
Hey cucks! Why don't you buy best of both card's and benchmark yourself! With newest drivers and the best factory OC!
You guys really are nolife neckbeards.
>>54003307
it's not shit, it's just that developers don't optimize their games properly, because they know idiot consumer whores are going to buy a new GPU every 6 moths
>>54003060
>implying cuckmany isn't already a 3rd world shithole with all those immigrants running around raping everyone all the fucking time.
>>>/pol/
>its illegal to run games at a setting which actually gives you good performance
This is not how benchmarking works. I should've known you're a baiting faggot the moment I've seen you arguing with that Youtube video.
>Le damage control meme
Seems more like damage control on your side, I have linked superior sources to yours. One of my sources features a detailed documentation both on clockspeeds and settings used, which neither ones of yours do. We have absolutely no reference on clockspeeds and coolers being used on your sources. Computerbase is also only one game short (17) from featuring more titles than both of your sources combined (8+10). That other Techpowerup link also features a wider variety of games. I hopefully don't have to explain you how more numbers mean more accurate results in statistics.
We had that one faggot not too long ago who claimed the 970 being the ultimate winner vs a 390, and linked the same hardoCP-review over weeks. It featured a whole variety of five games, four of them being Nvidia-sponsored Gameworks titles. And what a surprise, the 970 won!
Maybe you should stop being a /v/-spillout and not just look at colour bars, if you knew what you're talking about, we wouldn't even have this discussion.
>>54003312
>You guys really are nolife neckbeards.
How dare us to discuss hardware on /g/! :^)
>>54001555
i understand that this post is old but what?
literally the inverse is true
>>54003592
>discuss
But instead act like children.
>>54003312
>You guys really are nolife neckbeards.
i admit, for now. if i didn't have a fractured ankle i'd be out. im just here to piss off amd fags with the random shit i've learnt from fanboy wars over these 2 weeks since i've been injured. shitposting on /g/ and /sp/ is my life now till i can stand again ;_;
>>54003507
> I have linked superior sources to yours
stopped reading there. just because a website doesn't favor your beloved amd it's an inferior website. keep damage controlling.
Do I really need intel cpu if I'm building cheap gaming rig? Are AMD CPUs that bad?
>>54003646
>
stopped reading there. just because a website doesn't favor your beloved amd it's an inferior website. keep damage controlling.
Seems that "damage control" strawman is the only "argument" you have left. Fuck off to >>>/v/
>im just here to piss off amd fags with the random shit i've learnt from fanboy wars over these 2 weeks since i've been injured. shitposting on /g/ and /sp/ is my life now till i can stand again ;_;
Seems I was right.
>>54003645
I fell for his shitposting, I guess.
>>54003656
The only AMD CPU I'd currently recommend for gaming would be an X4 860/870, but it will lock you down to FM2+ which is essentially dead. As such, Intel is likely the better option for now. At least you can upgrade that Pentium to an i5 without swapping your board.
>>54003788
>Seems that "damage control" strawman is the only "argument" you have left.
nigga there's no argument if the other person doesn't accept any sources you give them out of sheer fanboyism. i didn't refute any of your sources yet you're such a blind fanboy that anything anyone will say to you about nvidia being being better than amd at anything, you'll instantly brush off with some more poor damage control. yes damage control. get mad.
it seems i've won this one lads, as i didn't resort to blatant fanboyism. its funny how much you can learn in 2 weeks.
>>54003635
No, that post is correct. Check the cheapest prices on pricerunner.
>>54000917
the thread should've ended after this post
>>54003995
You don't understand much about pc hardware, yet you're talking like you do and instantly brush things off as "damage control" and "fanboism" when you cannot seem to comprehend what the other person is talking about. How else would you explain certain differences in benchmarking results? Margin of error? They all used CPUs and memory that shouldn't bottleneck each graphics card, and even if they did, AMD has more CPU overhead on DX11, so it definitely wouldn't be in their favor. Different clockspeeds and throttling behavior through cooling/bios is the only explanation, aside from settings.
But you're obviously just here for le epek trole, you even said so yourself. You're part of the cancer that is shitting on /g/ nowadays, but hey, at least you have gone past the usual "LOLAMDPOORFAGMAD" one-liners. Some people reading will have their share of entertainment from this, at least.
>>54004269
But there's people who really do want to get cucked, and dislike choice and progress no matter what.
>>54004288
nigga i guarantee i know more about pc hardware than you since my fucking part time job involves building & calibrating pc's.
>Margin of error? They all used CPUs and memory that shouldn't bottleneck each graphics card, and even if they did, AMD has more CPU overhead on DX11, so it definitely wouldn't be in their favor. Different clockspeeds and throttling behavior through cooling/bios is the only explanation, aside from settings.
i dont know how anyone can say this isn't damage control. you're actually claiming that certified and well respected websites that i linked like anandtech won't conduct a benchmark in the correct way to eliminate any external factors. you're failing post after post. i know you're super mad right now after constantly getting btfo but just leave it.
>>54004524
>my fucking part time job involves building & calibrating pc's.
>part time job
Just assembling and installing windows doesn't mean shit, especially not if you're doing some part-time or intern postion that generally requires low qualification. Come back when you're a certified systems technician or better.
>i dont know how anyone can say this isn't damage control. you're actually claiming that certified and well respected websites that i linked like anandtech won't conduct a benchmark in the correct way to eliminate any external factors.
Aka "I don't know what you're talking about so I'll just use the Anandtech brand to prove my arguments".
That is exactly the /v/-tier parroting I'd have expected from (you).
And to show you what I mean, here is another source that lists clock speeds:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-nvidia-geforce-gtx-960-2gb-vs-4gb-review
As we can see, a stock 960 barely holds up to the 380, but when overclocked to 1475MHz, it pulls slightly ahead. This is exactly what I am talking about - clock speeds matter, especially against Maxwell cards which offer quite a large clocking range on average.
Seems you should stick to assembling part-time, for now.
>>54004812
>Aka "I don't know what you're talking about so I'll just use the Anandtech brand to prove my arguments".
like i said. reputable and well respected websites won't miss out on key points like that. they aren't some amateur website that fluffs around with graphics cards.
>barely holds up
>literally 3-4 fps difference in all but one game on the list
what happened to >muh game variety and >no old games? why are you linking something without both now? you're contradicting your own statements.
>Seems you should stick to assembling part-time, for now.
yeah i will. im 20 and am on 22.5k with a part time job with my family business. once i graduate ill make 3 times the money as an accountant :^)
>>54004967
>like i said. reputable and well respected websites won't miss out on key points like that. they aren't some amateur website that fluffs around with graphics cards.
Then show me the fucking clock speeds Anandtech uses and don't rely on their brand name like some tech-illiterate faggot. They have been bought by some online marketing company alongside Tom's in 2014, and coincidentally have been slacking with their reviews since then. (Tom's seems to do quite well, though.)
>what happened to >muh game variety and >no old games? why are you linking something without both now? you're contradicting your own statements.
For a direct and accurate comparison between two competing products, your sources are somewhat worthless as long as they don't feature the clockspeeds on each cards. There are aftermarket 960s that pull close to 1400MHz on factory.
Feel free to find me a source that features both more games and clockspeed references on cards. For now, this and the Computerbase bench are the most documented sources we have - and they both cover each other with similar results.
>why are you linking something without both now?
I couldn't find it in time. :^)
>yeah i will. im 20 and am on 22.5k with a part time job with my family business. once i graduate ill make 3 times the money as an accountant :^)
>family business
That's nice for you, but being in a family business doesn't exactly speak for your qualification.
>>54003307
290x>980ti
>>54002009
Are you literally retarded? The 380 competes with the 960 at p much the same price. Same with the 970 and 390, which also has 4.5Gb more vram (http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-AMD-Graphics-Cards-GV-R939WF2-8GD/dp/B013LINMIE/)
>>54003307
2016 YEAR OF AMD
>If you already have a powerful computer now, it would also stay powerful and retain its value.
Says who? Nvidia already likes to destroy GPUs with their driver updates. Their GPUs would probably brick themselves automatically after the warranty expires(or the user does something that would invalidate the warranty). Ditto for Intel.
>>54003656
Not as bad as /g/ likes to make them sound. A skylake i3 will get better framerates than FX-6300, but if the game can use 4+ cores, it won't be MUCH better, and at that budget you're limited by your GPU and your screen anyway, so getting average 70 FPS as opposed to 90 isn't really a big deal. And when you step down from i3, you get pentiums with only 2 cores and no hyperthreading. They might outperform AMD CPUs in some games, but others won't even run with less than 4 threads.
>>54000398
Have fun with your 2000$ GPUs.
>>54001169
he has a point.
Intel can price their CPUs, they own the market.
Nvidia is the same.
So what would change?
Only /g/ tards that fall for the Indian AMD shitposters buy AMD products.
And maybe piss poor people.
I am no fanboy, I fucking loved Athlon/Phenom.
Those were two great CPUs.
>>54003307
> some shitty UWP game as benchmark
...... I mean I saw a few shit benchmarks but this got to be the best one yet. What a fucking joke.
Ps.: I don't care about either brand, it's just painful to watch the industry go this shit.
Next time they will test performance with Minesweeper or Solitaire? Maybe Minecraft?
>>54006721
Zeos said he prefers AMD over Intel and jewvidya.
>>only 1 company develops GPUs/CPUs
OMG!! MONOPOLY!!
>>only 2 companies develop GPUs/CPUs
It's all good. God bless the free market :-)
Is /g/ the new /b/ or 9gag with all these fresh memes?
>>54006879
>It's all good. God bless the free market :-)
I don't think anyone here is saying that duopoly is great or ideal state of affairs, but it's still a fuckton better than monopoly. And it's not like Intel and Nvidia are suddenly going to gain dozens of new competitors(that can actually deliver comparable products) out of nowhere.
test
>>54000605
>Nvidiots still believe this
They don't have any competitor (If AMDead) why would they lower their prices? Of course buyers would have no choice but to suck it
>implying AMD is really a competitor
Kek'd
Intel and Nvidia could kill AMD at any given time if they wanted.
But AMD is kept around to make it look like there is competition.
>>54001555
In Mexico Nvidia is way cheaper than AMD too, considering AMD is suppose to be a budget company it makes no god damn sense, not a bad thing really since Nvidia is just better and has less hardware problems, if you get AMD and have problems with it good luck getting a RMA without paying half of what the card already cost you or more.
