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Asking "Hey guys, what's your opinion on x?" is frowned upon.
Wireless is frowned upon.
Headset requests are frowned upon.
Isolation ≠ Noise cancellation
>For the newfags that keep replying to the "Belgian shitposter"
http://pastebin.com/WmqBnCAF
>/g/ wiki headphone FAQ:
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php?title=Headphones
Previous Thread:
>>53964606
![Fostex-Kopfhörer-2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/pSvzEkW.jpg "Fostex-Kopfhörer-2[1].jpg")
first for best memes
>>53977540
Still can't wait for the bump limit to push your vendetta pastebin, faggot?
>>53977540
Continued:
>Speaker and Headphone Guides:
https://www.reddit.com/r/zeos
>Reviews:
https://www.youtube.com/user/ZeosReviews
https://www.youtube.com/user/InnerFidelity
https://www.youtube.com/user/dalethorn2/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/hifiguy528/
>Communities
https://www.reddit.com/r/zreviews
https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones
These threads are fucking awful these days.
Most of you faggots don't even know who cg is
enough arguing memes, post headphone albums
>>53977599
I just realized Aussies are awake at this time.
![Wish_Upon_a_Blackstar_Standard_Edition_Cover_Art[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/q4tTFBA.jpg "Wish_Upon_a_Blackstar_Standard_Edition_Cover_Art[1].jpg")
>>53977604
>>53977602
I was at the tail end of that debacle. People were already asking who the hell is CG. /hpg/ kept pointing at the pastebin and wondering why no one sees it.
How's it going all you subjective self-absorbed shitposters?
>>53977678
Tired, which is good, because it means I'll actually be able to fall asleep once I go to bed.
>>53977678
are those the i or none i RHAs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAKsho4s8t8
>>53977573
Stop being a massive faggot you anime fag
dt990s w/ removable cable mod still going strong.
i want to upgrade my fiio olympus dac/amp, i need it to work with android usb audio.
any suggestions?
Well I just found my new reference song for testing audio gear
http://yosihorikawa.bandcamp.com/album/wandering-ep
holy fuck that's done so well for headphones
>>53977805
also currently listening to
https://soundcloud.com/plastician/plastician-wave-pool-mmxv
skip to 20 mins
>>53977650
ageispolis my fave.
>>53977857
Sounds perfect on my T50RPs Mk.3s. Is this binaural?
>>53977678
I'm fine, working on my pre-project and listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr0Tfng9SP0
How about you Anon, how is it going?
>>53977893
Ageispolis is from SAW 85-92, my friend. That was SAW Vol. 2; 85-92 still is headphone-worthy, though.
>>53977930
http://yosihorikawa.bandcamp.com/track/letter
pretty sure it is, there's no way you can get that soundstage via manual stereo panning
>>53977961
Just sitting here enjoying my evening with my newly acquired SHP9500s while contemplating selling my HD600 as each song draws me closer and closer to ebay.
>>53977857
>>53977984
>http://yosihorikawa.bandcamp.com/track/letter
welp, just bought all of this guy's releases
>>53978011
>not streaming it on spotify. i cuck u not.
>>53977984
>>53977857
Holy shit, how I wasn't aware of this guy existence before?
>>53978021
>being too cheap to pay 10 bucks for his entire collection
>it's in fucking flac
>10 bucks for ALL of his stuff in fucking flac
come on anon
>>53978025
because you babbys fell for the soundstage meme and not the mixing and mastering meme.
>>53978035
That's two months of spotify that includes hundreds of thousands of artists. Flac just takes up space. good one dude.
>>53977993
I've been seeing alot of love for the shp9500s lately. Right now I'm holding off on another set of cans until I have enough for some Oppo PM-3s but at the price of tho Philips I'm tempted. To anyone that has both, How do the SHP9500s compare to the Fidelio X2's? If the consensus is that the X2's are better I may just hold off for the Oppo's instead
>>53977984
>http://yosihorikawa.bandcamp.com/track/letter
samefagging right now but this might genuinely be the best thing I've ever heard on these headphones
>>53977617
My nigga.
HD800S anon here. Don't have my chart at work.
>>53978061
Oppos are fashion cans, you get the same level of audio from shitty T50RP mk2s (mk3s are better). Unless you want portability get the X2s.
>>53978057
>renting music
kek
>>53978011
Upload it
>>53978081
That's one of the reasons I want the Oppo's is that they are some sexy headphones that are portable. They are expensive though and my current plan is to buy the X2's after the Oppo's unless the SHP9500s are better than the for the price.
I got the he-400i, but there was no connectors in the box. It's been on my table now for the weekend...
>>53978116
>60 dollars a year for a 1TiB hard drive to store 30 flac albums
>paying 5 dollars or more per album.
or
>cloud stored music
>pay 60 a year for all the music you'd ever want and none of the hassle.
Soundguy at several clubs/venues here.
Someone lefta pair of functional ATH-50's at the soundboard, one of the cans was broken off... Taped it up and now got a great pair of new cans.
Happened to me at another place with a pair of sony mdr-7506's... No idea who these retards are that say "well shit's broken, might as well leave it!". If one of the cans is busted I get it but shit, works out for me
>>53978152
That's what you get for buying chink memes. You buy /csg/ trash too don't you?
>>53978172
ATH-M50's*
>>53978161
>1TiB
>30flac albums
>paying for albums
It's been a while since I've seen someone this retarded on the internet. You know 1TiB can easily hold more than 30 FLAC albums, right? You know torrenting/sharing music barely impacts the profits of big artists, right?
>>53978192
Just bought Valhalla 2 for my HD800. Im so freaking excited first my first tube amp
>>53978417
Nice blog post.
>>53977705
Non-i. I spent the ten buck difference on a cheap bluetooth adapter for use in the gym.
>>53969477
>>53977321
>MSR7 >>>>>>>>>> Earpods > M50X
inb4 Goldenears
They use $25,000+ measuring equipment.
>>53977540
I need some good noise-isolating headphones that have an audio-jack and a mic (to use skype).
Any recommendation on the cheap spectrum (like 40 $) ?
Thanks.
>>53978161
>1TiB hard drive to store 30 flac albums
30 uncompressed regular cd recordings is 19.5 gigs. You'd be off by an single magnitude even for uncompressed SACD/Audio DVD recordings.
>>53978491
SoundMagic E10S?
>>53977476
>CSD is just the Fourier transform of the FR.
The time domain is taken as the dual of the frequency domain, and their relation can be demonstrated by a Fourier transformation. The CSD is obtained by transforming impulse response into the frequency domain and provides a combined time-frequency representation.
>How does it surface any resonant property that can't be captured in the equivalent FR curve? They are two sides of the same coin.
Can demonstrate properties not easily seen, effects of time domain reflections and frequency modes. This is the motivation of taking the transform of the impulse response in the first place, to understand and apply techniques of analysis and manipulation more easily.
You can get this data with more thorough spatial measurement; it is of a more limited use for headphone applications.
>>53978517
I was thinking more like "big" headphones, not in-ear thing.
>>53978176
well piston iii is pretty great for its price
>>53978540
>copies audiophile article
>has no idea what any of it means.
typical /hpg/ poster
MUH GRAPHS.
>>53978455
what does time stand for here? resonance?
>>53978819
Time wasted looking at audiophile placebo graphs.
>>53978819
>speed
>>53978540
I'll defer to someone who knows more than either of us.
https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/3j12tb/why_resort_to_dampening_mods_when_eq_can_solve/
https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/3nk3m1/audioquest_nighthawk_measurements_sbaf/cvozb8o
Reflections will be masked, ringing is inaudible once the magnitude response is taken care of by equalization, which can be done with FR. As headphones tend to minimum-phase for most intents and purposes, this will also yield improvements in decay. What additional data does CSD show that correlates to perception? None as far as I can see and only disputed by fucking idiots like purrin who don't know shit about psychoacoustics.
>>53978845
>I'll defer to someone who knows more than either of us
I sent him some of those articles to start with since he was the one asking, and I don't particularly care what he knows or doesn't know if he doesn't want to delve further.
>>53978540
>>53978845
>>53978906
The amount of placebophile and pseudo science used to explain CSD graphs in these three posts is astounding. Makes you wonder about the thought process used by audiophiles to justify their R2R DACs and cable phase geometry.
>>53978894
nice blog post.
>>53978986
Sorry senpai I'll let you continue the shitposting.
>>53978986
posting impressions after auditioning has been a staple in these threads nigger
>>53979008
>suddenly /hpg/ is all for subjective impressions
but oh no, zeos isn't alloweeeed... h-h-he's dumb!
>>53979036
impressions != recommendations
>>53979056
/hpg/ wasn't this stupid and contradictory 10 months ago. What happened?
![california-headphones-silverado[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kZs0T8m.jpg "california-headphones-silverado[1].jpg")
maybe like 4 people on /g/ have my headphones
im a special snowflake
>>53979122
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H8Ax4JD8LU
yeah what a good deal on those.
Hello /hpg/
Looking for some purchase advice.
Seeking "bang for buck" in the $45-$75 range. Looking for a pair of over-ear headphones to use with my computer, so as not to disturb the senpai while listening to music or gaming at night.
Closed back is best, as someone sleeps in the room I work in. No preferred tonal balance, but I do listen to a lot of stoner rock, punk rock, blues, and rap.
Looking for comfort as I usually have about 4-6 hours of work to be done in a given day and will probably be wearing them the entire time. I've only ever owned earbuds before.
May be willing to bump up the price range if there's something much better for only a bit more.
Any ideas?
These looked decent from the reddit guide:
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-MDR7506-Professional-Diaphragm-Headphone/dp/B000AJIF4E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1460347088&sr=8-1&keywords=sony+mdr+7506+v6
http://www.amazon.com/Takstar-Headphones-Monitor-Earphones-Professional/dp/B00FXSVSDW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1460347169&sr=8-1&keywords=takstar+pro80
Not much listed for poorfags, though.
>>53979165
7506 or M40x
>>53979169
That's some quality gore. Who would be stupid enough to tune their headphones with craft cork and elmer's glue on a precision german engineered 1,600 dollar pair of headphones?
Why do modders actually think they can do better than engineers with proper lab equipment and decades of research under their belt?
>>53979210
Because it's impossible to cater to all preferences.
Also that is such a regurgitated Reddit argument, please go back there.
>>53979226
Everything i hate must be reddit! An emotionally unstable anon's guide by (You)
>>53979250
Aren't you the one whinging about things you don't like?
>Waa, somebody is modifying a product I'll never be able to afford!
>Waa, how dare you interfere with engineering brilliance! EQ should be illegal!
>>53979274
Okay Comfy Grados.
What's the best shit I can get for sub $35? I want over the ears, and I listen to pretty much every genre but country.
>>53979287
I'm surprised you didn't call me Belgian. I'm presuming you're the same shitposter who calls anyone who disagrees with you a 'Belgian shiposter'.
>>53979203
Thanks, mate. Don't know why the filter changed f a m to senpai
>>53979321
Reddit's over there desu senpai.
Looking for cans with a $125 budget that are easy to drive, have some bass that's accurate without sacrificing great clarity, and doesn't sound ear-piercing when listening to lo-fi recordings. Not necessarily looking for cans that are BASSY but with just some bass and is at least a little fun. Any recs?
>>53979395
I recommend you use the appropriate format nigger
>>53979395
>>53979165
Format as above in order to get a sensible response
>>53978986
>[Deleted]
>>53979122
How do you actually like them?
I got a similar deal a few years back on some Nixon Master Blasters, which are pretty comparable in style and probably aren't popular on /g/ either. They're actually a lot better than you'd expect, definitely worth the $90 I paid but not the $200 they originally went for, but they're kinda headcrushy.
>>53979678
>Nixon
These guys actually expect to get any audiophile credibility with the name "Nixon?"
>Budget
$125
>Location
US
>Source
Sansa Clip+, cheap LG smartphone
>Preferred type of headphones
Over-ears, (IEMs are acceptable tho)
>Open or closed
Closed (privacy is important)
>Comfort level
Very comfy, for hours and hours of listening in one sitting
>Preferred music
Metal & Rock, Hip Hop & Electronic, Contemporary Folk, Chamber Pop, Lo-Fi (BASICALLY ANYTHING GOES)
>Past Headphones
Audio Technica ATHCLR100BK
I really liked how clear they sounded for the money, but the bass was lacking (sounded like there was almost no bass)
>>53978958
I was disputing the value of CSD in my post with the links, not supporting it like the other. What it adds is of nonexistent benefit in psychoacoustic terms based on objective evidence to date.
>>53979769
T50RP MK. III. Closed and cost a little over 130 but you won't regret it.
>>53979708
They're the same Nixon that makes skate/snowboard stuff. They never got any audiophile credibility, which is why they were discontinued so quickly.
They actually sound quite good, though, and rumors going around a while back were that they had Audio Technica guts, which I'd believe because they sound a whole lot like M50s. They're also absolutely beautifully made, and honestly I bought them knowing that even if they sounded like crap, I'd be happy to just have them as "fashion" phones.
>>53979792
>T50RP MK. III. Closed
http://www.amazon.com/Fostex-Professional-Studio-Headphones-Semi-Open/dp/B0167XM092/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1460350887&sr=8-1&keywords=fostex+t50rp
>Semi-open
>>53979853
It isolates well enough and it's considered semi open because it has a small tiny bass port. they don't leak idiot. Read the reviews.
EQ sure does some funky things to distortion.
>>53979871
>>53979884
>b-but eq fixes everything
>just eq and you'll see how much better it sounds!
>i can make beats sound flat with EQ, HONEST!
Typical SBAF posters.
>>53979870
>It isolates well enough
Sounds like some post purchase rationalization going on.
>>53979769
MDR 7506 + Auray Sheep Skin Pads for better isolation and comfort.
>>53979927
Sonarworks is the closest the majority on SBAF come to EQing things. Tyll is more EQ oriented these days ever since Bob Katz come for BS2015.
>>53979871
>>53979884
>boosting frequencies instead of cutting them
Here's your reply.
>>53979927
SBAF abhors EQ actually.
>>53979871
>>53979884
Very interesting, what exactly in the EQ is causing the distortion to behave like that?
>>53979884
>>53979927
The distortion there didn't change. The other parts just got louder relative to it. To actually have distortion and csd results that are comparable to each other, you would have to EQ first to make sure they are all the same.
>>53979992
>adding gain with EQ is now a bad thing
I guess I missed the memo.
>>53980045
>you would have to EQ first to make sure they are all the same.
I'm not following you here.
>>53980045
Stupidest post i've seen to date from a self deluded audiophile.
>>53979792
>>53979853
>>53979870
>>53979929
Maybe, mayyyyyybe i could settle for semi-open. Are they easy to drive at least?
>>53980097
Yes, anything from a sansa clip to a ipod nano will power these.
>>53980158
Sweet, I'll look into them then, they seem like they're the answer I'm looking for (privacy and comfort issue aside). Thanks
Would a RHA MA750 give me orgasms listening with female vocals or no? I'm deciding on purchasing one or something else I have in mind.
https://yosihorikawa.bandcamp.com/track/bump
Holy shit
>>53980210
If you're coming from some basic earpods, yes. I've your coming from some cIEMs, no.
>>53979775
>supporting it like the other.
There are more reasons why CSDs don't work for headphones from a physical and mathematical perspective, which we have just managed to scrape at. It's not a vote of confidence.
Investigating temporal issues is not for auditory detection in the time domain, but as insight into what causes spatial variation of sound, yielding magnitude variation. There are other, better ways to investigate these phenomenon.
>>53980245
Do you have a MA750? Do vocals sound like HD600 vocals?
>>53980266
I am >>53977678
The vocals are a bit more forward on the MA750s but they are cooler and not nearly as lush a sound. They are good but they don't give me eargasms. I don't think I've had eargasms on an IEM since my Shure SE515s broke.
>>53979966
Seem good, but I'm a little scared about the harshness I've heard some people complain about in some reviews
>>53980078
It causes digital clipping as signals approach 0dbFS with greater regularity.
>>53980250
Exactly. It doesn't seem to provide any fresh insight. Instead, it exaggerates issues like high-Q resonances (in say, Beyers) which are typically more benign than perceived to be by ignorant subjectivists - not that I condone Beyer's awful Tesla designs. As far as I understand, CSDs lack psychoacoustic relevance compared to a typical FR graph. If what you say is true, they are not really valuable diagnostic tools either.
>>53980380
I had the preamp gain lowered by my highest filter gain.
I would like to thank however recommend me ATH-MSR7. After a bunch of research I have bought them and they are great.
I need to get used to the forward soundstage of them, but other than that I couldn't be happier.
>>53977978
No it's not, his cat literally scratched the masters.
>>53980419
It was me, Zeos Pantera, who recommended those to you. You're very welcome.
Rock on /hpg/ and thanks for all the support.
>>53980900
review cat please
>>53980900
yeah thanks for reccing shitty memephones faggot
>>53980900
I thought Zeos was a pasty white guy not a Mexican fresh from the border.
Hey /hpg/, I found these headphones on the ground and was wondering what model they were? I'm a poorfag and my ears aren't really well tuned but they sound pretty high quality and they were wrapped in electrical tape when I found them so I figure whoever lost them must have liked them considering they were in perfect condition when I undid the tape. All I could find on them was a little TDK in the flimsy generic looking 3.5mm jack. Any ideas on where to look? I tried TDKs site which was odd, also I've spent an hour or so on Google images with no joy.
>>53981048
>I've spent an hour or so on Google images with no joy.
Stupid Baka. I spent 5 minutes.
"TDK EB410 In Ear Headphones - Steel"
But I found something I always wanted.
TDK EB-400 which is the same as my Logitech PlayGear Stealth PSP Earphone back in 2005. I'm thinking about buying a EB-400 for nostalgia because I threw mine away back in the old days.
>>53981138
Wow, thanks a bunch anon.
I feel like such a pleb for liking these headphones so much considering they were on sale for $5.99 and some of the reviews were pretty scathing.
Thanks again.
>>53981159
What do you mean? You already read reviews? How was that possible, you didn't know what was the models name?
>>53981164
I read the reviews as soon as your post showed up.
I thought I might have gotten my hands on something nice so I did a quick google before I replied.
>>53981171
Oh okay no problem. I found your earphone by using eBay and then Google. I searched for TDK earphones and happened upon my Logitech Stealth look-a-like and then I searched Google for that model and then I tried "TDK ED ?" random numbers until I found your model.
>>53981159
>Wow, thanks a bunch anon.
All cool.
>>53977599
>zeos
wew
worst reviewer on youtube. cant even read an FR graph
>>53977602
What is cg?
>>53981201
Taare ma no bhosdo
>>53978247
>i wasn't going to buy it
>no loss of sale
this is fucking true you cunt. logic try it /thread were done (you)
>tfw you clean your sockets for the first time in years
Found these Pickering Model PH-4933 / Stanton Dynaphase 40's at goodwill for 6 dollars.
They are in great shape but the drivers don't sound very clear. (even after re-soldering the connections)
are there any sites that sell replacement drivers for newer headphones that I could swap into these, or any modifications I could make to improve the sound quality?
Thank you for your time.
>>53981300
Size compared to ATH-m50x's
There's a lot of room to work with here
>>53981265
Eww gross, no wonder /hpg/ doesn't rely on subjective hearing. They never clean their ear sockets so they only look at graphs and imagine what it sounds like. Filthy neets I swear.
>>53981371
>relying on subjective hearing
head-fi called they want you and your shit hearing back
>>53981383
What's the point of having headphones if you aren't listening to them? Why is circle jerking to graphs so much more important? Sigh...
>>53981403
whats the point of having headphones if you don't know what they sound like?
>>53981406
I know what they sound like because I listen to them.
>>53981403
*Teleports behind you*
*Whispers in your ear*
"Kill yourself"
>>53981414
>he thinks he can rely on his shit hearing
KEK
>>53981420
Not the same anon but when it comes to enjoying my music on my headphones who else's hearing can I rely on?
>>53981568
nobodies, hence measurements. human hearing is extremely limited and more often than not the bottleneck in your system.
>>53981577
>nobodies
Nobody else's hearing leaving only my own to rely on. Thank you for proving the point.
>measurements
Which do not take into account my personal ear shape, ear canal physical characteristics, preferred sound signature, etc.
It seems you want to take out the person from a wholly personal experience. You sound just like the stereofag who argues FR is everything.
>>53981593
it's pretty clear you shouldn't be trusting even your own hearing when people, to this day, still love grado headphones.
>>53981620
>I don't like grados so no one should like grados
>>53981625
>near 100% bass distortion
>liking grados
lol
>>53981593
Because human-to-human variations in sound preferences are relatively small. This gave rise to things like the Olive-Weitl curve derived from neutral speakers in a good room as a headphone calibration target found to be clearly preferable in a large varied sample of test listeners.
>>53981629
sr60 is 10% distortion
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/GradoSR60i.pdf
ps1000 and gs1000 is 100% distortion
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/GradoPS1000.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/GradoGS1000.pdf
>>53981629
I didn't claim that you liked grados. You made it pretty clear you do not like grados. But it seems you think no one should like grados which seems to be a completely egotistical problem you have not everyone else.
>>53981635
>Because human-to-human variations in sound preferences are relatively small.
[citation needed]
Some people like rap and some people hate rap. Some people like full dynamic sound some people cannot recognize full dynamic sound. Some people like a jazz sax while some people think a jazz sax is ear rape. Some people like the sound signature of the DT990 and some people think it's a sibliant treble drill. Unless you've got some authoritative citation I see no reason to believe you aren't making this up.
>>53981655
i'm just making the point that people think grados sound good when they're demonstrably garbage, worse than $2 earbuds. hence, hearing is not something to trust, especially with all the bias surrounding it.
>>53981665
>they're demonstrably garbage
Wow. With every post you make it more and more plain that you suffer from a massive ego.
>I don't like them thus they're demonstrably garbage
>>53981677
it has nothing to do with me not liking them. the ps1000 response was linked here. >>53981644 the response mirrors earbud measurements, particularly in the bass, except the distortion is even higher. if you have the audacity to call $2 earbuds 'bad' then you're calling TOTL grados 'bad' as well (which they are)
you can keep trying to insinuate that it's merely opinion, but that's your opinion and you have yet to show anything to suggest otherwise to the measurements revealing these truths.
>>53981686
>http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/GradoPS1000.pdf
Let's get this straight. You argue measurements are the only reliable source of information and you try to support that argument by relying on measurements?
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/begging-the-question.html
I'm curious. Have you ever tried Grado headphones?
What does distortion sound like?
>>53981705
>You argue measurements are the only reliable source of information and you try to support that argument by relying on measurements?
it appears you've already identified the weakness in your argument. you have nothing to support it because you realize how invaluable anecdotal evidence is.
>I'm curious. Have you ever tried Grado headphones?
sure, back when they were prominent and people didn't realize how bad they were. ironically people call beats bad these days and beats are infinitely better than any grado headphone.
>>53981719
>it appears you've already identified the weakness in your argument.
Your use of a fallacy is a weakness in someone else's argument? Wow. With every post you make it more and more plain how you suffer from a massive ego.
>when they were prominent
What do you remember of your experience? Were they fun headphones? Analytical headphones? Warm?
>>53981655
http://seanolive.blogspot.com/2014/01/the-perception-and-measurement-of.html
Your ignorance to established, extensively peer-reviewed science is laughable.
>Together, the results of this research show that when the influence of brand, fashion and celebrity endorsement are removed from headphone tests, both trained and untrained listeners regardless of age and culture, generally agree on which headphones sound best and this correlates to their acoustical performance.
>>53981734
>Wow. With every post you make it more and more plain how you suffer from a massive ego.
repeating yourself doesn't make you any less wrong.
>Were they fun headphones? Analytical headphones? Warm?
sick buzzwords head-fier
>>53981713
http://www.klippel.de/listeningtest/lt/
>>53981742
>Yet, ironically the science behind what makes a headphone sound good and how to measure it is poorly understood.
Thank you for providing a citation that proves that you were making it up.
>>53981779
> silverlight
why.jpg
>>53981743
>sick buzzwords head-fier
So you have no memory (or were lying) about your experience with Grado headphones?
>>53981793
i bet you couldn't accurately identify the sound of a headphone you listened to 30 minutes ago let alone 6 years ago.
i also didn't want to dignify your shitty buzzwords with a legitimate response.
>>53981803
>i also didn't want to dignify your shitty buzzwords with a legitimate response.
Your attempt to participate in the conversation legitimizes my desire to not participate in the conversation.
You and your massive ego blaming everyone else for your choices.
>>53981813
>You and your massive ego blaming everyone else for your choices.
there you go again, incapable of forming a decent argument so you delegate the rest of your post to more ad hominem.
>>53981823
>forming a decent argument
Why do you continue to believe that is an argument? That I am posting that to convince you of anything? Do you believe everytime anyone posts something it has something to do with convincing you of something?
>>53981830
you literally identified it as an argument here >>53981734
nice cognitive dissonance there.
>>53981783
Poorly understood by ignorant, stupid laymen like you. His conclusions do not come as a surprise to anyone remotely acquainted to the scientific literature.
>>53977805
Sup 990bro. How hard was that mod to install?
>>53981841
>you literally identified it as an argument here >>53981734 (You)
You mean in, "Your use of a fallacy is a weakness in someone else's argument?" Or the following, "With every post you make it more and more plain how you suffer from a massive ego?"
It must have also been an argument when I used it previously in >>53981677 as well? Only arguments can point out when something is not an argument? I am trying to convince you that what you wrote has no substantive meaning rather than pointing out what you just stated has no substantive meaning to me? It is not an explanation but an argument?
Wow. With every post you make it more and more plain how you suffer from a massive ego.
>>53981875
>>Wow. With every post you make it more and more plain how you suffer from a massive ego.
alright at this point i can tell you're just shitposting. i shouldn't have given the benefit of the doubt and assumed you were serious.
>>53981858
>Poorly understood by ignorant, stupid laymen like you.
Great argument! Only you and your superiority has any meaning and refutations and arguments from anyone who doesn't agree with you must be inferior and wrong so you don't even have to address it.
It must be nice to not have any intellectual honesty.
>>53981882
>alright at this point i can tell you're just shitposting.
That's right. I'm not trying to communicate that you are making an error and how you are making an error. I cannot be providing any constructive criticism only shitposting. Of course you could not be incorrect in confusing an explanation with an argument!
With every post you make it more and more plain how you suffer from a massive ego.
>>53978958
Quote the placebophile part will you and correct it.
>>53980900
damn dude kinda looks like a fat kid anakin skywalker, I always thought he would look like a fatter T J Miller
>>53979612
Just noticed that, not sure why.
>>53981870
>>53977805
>treble cannons
Hey /g/, I'm currently using fidelio L2 that were gifted to me, those were my first nice headphones. I'm looking for some with more 'clarity' if that make any sense? I listen to a lot of classical, and some progressive rock. No real budget per se (as long as they seem worth it) and I on Europe. Any ideas? I don't have a clue about headphones.
>>53981885
How is it my fault that your lack of knowledge caused you to interpret academic writing out of context in your bid to be a placebo apologist?
If you're going to discard one of the most authoritative papers on subjective judgments of headphone quality because you lack the intellect to understand it, I can't help you.
>>53982254
Fill out the form.
>>53982255
>How is it my fault
No one said it was your fault in respect to what knowledge I do or do not have. It is your fault for acting like an elitist and presenting a bullshit argument.
>your lack of knowledge
I do believe the video attached to your citation states the ENTIRE HEADPHONE INDUSTRY lacks the same knowledge.
>The state of headphone science
>one year ago. . .
>. . . or twenty years ago
>Current state of headphone science
>Very little published research on the perception and measurement of headphone sound quality
>there is no consensus among headphone manufacturers on how a headphone should sound or measure.
It is all there in the first thirty seconds of the video IN YOUR OWN CITATION which seems pretty clear to me that you were making shit up when you stated, "human-to-human variations in sound preferences are relatively small."
>writing out of context
Oh the irony.
>If you're going to discard one of the most authoritative papers
I am pointing out how this "authoritative paper" is proving you wrong. That must mean I'm not using it but disregarding it? Wrong. I'm using it to justify disregarding your claim because your own citation demonstrates how there is little to no empirical data not even any consensus among headphone manufacturers of how people perceive sound quality.
Either way, it seems clear to me that your sense of superiority is entirely based upon your misunderstanding of your own citations.
>>53982273
My bad, just saw that
>Budget
Don't really have one, I was thinking like 300-400€ max or so, I'm more than okay spending less ofc.
>Location
France
>Source
PC/phone
>Preferred type of headphone
Full size
>Open or close
Looking at the description I think open is what I'm looking for? I don't need noise isolation.
>Comfort level
Will wear them like 5-6 hours a day prob, keeping them on when I work
>Preferred tonal balance
Don't know
>Preferred music
Classical, some rock / prog rock from 60s/80s
>Past headphones
Fidelio L2, first real headphones (was using 10€ earbuds before) so they were fucking awesome. I'm looking for something with more distinction between instrument, I like to visualize all instruments when I listen to music if that makes sense.
>>53982382
The Fidelio X2 seems to be a very popular set of open cans right now and should fit your budget though there are some concerns with quality control. A couple of other options are the always suggestible Sennheiser HD600/HD650 and AKG K702.
Depending on your phone you may also want to look at an amp like the popular Fiio E10k.
>>53982382
HD600 or K702. E10k for an amp.
>>53982405
X2 for classical is ass.
>>53982425
I've seen a lot of reviews online that say the X2 is better for classic because of what he is looking for.
>I'm looking for something with more distinction between instrument, I like to visualize all instruments when I listen to music
>>53982333
>headphone industry
>being representative of the Audio Engineering Society and the larger community of acoustics research
The headphone industry is incredibly misinformed and backwards thanks in no small part to the low barriers to entry and ignorant userbase (like you). Hobbyists like ZMF think they can add a few pads of felt and do better than actual professionals like Olive, Welti, Toole et al.
His statements were made in the context of the headphone industry, which is indeed far from scientifically literate. The results of the study should come as no surprise to loudspeaker users and professional researchers acquainted to the papers of Floyd Toole. The target curve was derived from results confirmed at least 2 decades back in the loudspeaker context, merely recalibrated for headphone listening. Hardly novel, fresh or groundbreaking like you seem to think it is.
If you actually bothered reading the actual statistics presented in the paper, you'd realize human-to-human variations in preference are small. There is a strong correlation for preference and a given response target relative to the others, which shows in the numbers upon analysis.
>>53982454
>The headphone industry is incredibly misinformed and backwards thanks in no small part to the low barriers to entry and ignorant userbase (like you)
It must be nice not to have to any intellectual honesty and just continue to believe I know more than several companies that have decades of experience in the field.
>If you actually bothered reading the actual statistics presented in the paper
What paper? One you failed to cite but claim exists and supports you so we should believe you now when what you actually DID cite disproves what you stated previously? Or are you referring to the pdf that is the exact same presentation in the video from the blog you cited?
>>53982474
>References
>Sean E. Olive and Todd Welti, "The Relationship between Perception and Measurement of Headphone Sound Quality", presented at the 133rd Audio Eng. Soc. Convention, San Francisco, USA, (October 2012).
>Sean E. Olive, Todd Welti and Elisabeth McMullin, "Listener Preferences For Different Headphone Target Response Curves", presented at the 134th Audio Eng. Soc. Convention, Budapest, Hungary, (May 2013).
>Sean E. Olive, Todd Welti and Elisabeth McMullin, "A Virtual Headphone Listening Test Methodology", presented at the 51st Audio Eng. Soc. International Conference, Helsinki, Finland, (August 2013).
>Sean E. Olive, Todd Welti and Elisabeth McMullin, "Listener Preferences for In-Room Loudspeaker and Headphone Target Responses" presented at the 135th Audio Eng. Soc. Convention, New York, USA, (October 2013).
>Sean E. Olive, "Do college students prefer the same headphone sound quality as trained listeners?", presented at the 4th ISEAT, Shenzhen, China, (November 2013).
Great exercise in intellectual honesty. The papers and presentations were linked. You can even read their abstracts.
Again, headphone companies largely don't know shit. Even the great Sennheiser dropped the ball by tuning the HD800 to an antiquated, long-disfavoured diffuse-field curve. The only company that can be said to have a firm grasp on headphone acoustics is Etymotic and they show it with their papers. The rest are hacks and incompetents.
>>53982405
>>53982425
Thanks guys, I'm gonna try and find a place to listen to those.
Phone's a note4, I'm not too fond of the idea of having to carry an amp, is that necessary?
>>53982540
>I'm not too fond of the idea of having to carry an amp, is that necessary?
For the K702 it is. For the HD600 I don't think so.
>>53982539
>Great exercise in intellectual honesty.
Which one are you referring to and why didn't you cite it the first time? Or are you claiming that one of them supports you but cannot specify because you haven't actually read them?
>Again, headphone companies largely don't know shit.
Wow. You continue to expect me to believe a complete stranger on 4chan has a lot more knowledge than several companies with decades of experience even after I've noted how that is completely irrational and intellectually dishonest if sincere. It seems I have been wasting my time extending you the benefit of the doubt you can act like a rational adult.
>>53982540
>Phone's a note4
I can use my HD650 on my Note 5 without an amp so that should be fine. The K702 are infamous for needing an amp though.
>>53982539
>Even the great Sennheiser dropped the ball by tuning the HD800 to an antiquated, long-disfavoured diffuse-field curve
i think you meant the HD600 there. every other major manufacturer stopped with the DF tuning decades ago. HD800 are loudness equalized.
>>53982570
All the papers referenced in the article of course.
Its hard not to have more knowledge than those incompetent companies, though I expect you won't believe me. I'm more incredulous at your reluctance to trust the actual academics doing acoustics research and submitting journal papers. Not as if you have the cognitive ability to dispute them. Some of them like Toole (Sean Olive's master) even wrote textbooks that are compulsory readings in any acoustical science course. You are trying to discredit the paper's merit (presumably to justify your ignorant subjective worldview), but your substantive arguments are non-existent in the face of authoritative evidence.
>>53982540
Are you going to use them on the go? Open headphones should not be used on the go as dust and all kinds of shit can get inside and no isolation at all.
>>53982608
>All the papers referenced in the article of course.
Given how your first citation failed to support your claim it seems to me that you are claiming they all do because you cannot specify which one supports your claim:
>human-to-human variations in sound preferences are relatively small.
I'm not interested in going off on a wild goose chase and expecting to find yet again you misread your own citation.
>I'm more incredulous at your reluctance to trust the actual academics doing acoustics research
You are an "actual academic?" Or are you again trying to make some idiotic claim similar to "you are discarding a paper" based solely on my not agreeing with you? I do believe I used your cited presentation of "actual academics" to prove you don't know what you are talking about.
>Its hard not to have more knowledge than those incompetent companies
I've tried to make it clear to you that repeating this claim is not persuasive or even rational in my eyes but I might as well be casting pearls before swine.
It is beyond question that you cannot bother to do anything but bad mouth anyone and everyone who does not agree with you so I see no point in extending the benefit of the doubt that you can conduct yourself like a rational adult.
>>53982597
>every other major manufacturer stopped with the DF tuning decades ago
I'm not seeing that. I'm seeing little to no tuning of products into any curve but if there is one which stands above others, it's still the DF and its variants.
>>53979871
Normalize the plots to the fundamental and compare. Repeat measurements if the oddities persist and possibly use the exact same EQ on another pair of headphones. EQ affecting distortion beyond a mere(likely undetectable) rise in the amplitude implicates weird out of phase behavior.
>>53979927
Quality shitpost.
>>53982668
In what way does it fail to prove the original claim that variance is relatively small? It is small enough that a very large sample size expressed satistically-significant preference for a given response target relative to others tested, and they even had that fucking huge bar graph to show it. Clearly ears and perception have more in common than different if such a statistically-significant result was to be yielded.
You seem to display utterly no knowledge of acoustics, no knowledge of the industrial context and yet you want to dispute the peer-reviewed literature.
Lads, it's gonna be a good day.
>>53982717
>It is small enough that a very large sample size expressed satistically-significant preference for a given response target relative to others tested
A specific flat response on what kind of hardware? Orpheus? Loudspeakers? When we look at the actual listed headphones, we find that the beats are consistently bottom but for the trained listeners there is a pretty clear division between the Senns and the Audes but not so much for the much larger pool of college kids/untrained listeners which put the two in fairly close proximity. A statistical result which Harmon seems to have "discarded." I cannot even tell what model of Audes were being used, only the price but it would seem (based upon the near similar results for the untrained listener) to have fairly similar sound signatures.
Then of course this is only a study of _one_ factor based upon a selection of three tracks. There are several other genres, even three different primary sound signatures which tend to sell rather evenly (discounting flavor of the week memephones).
>Clearly ears and perception have more in common than different
Or the test only created a controlled environment which excluded differences. For all I know this study choose three tracks from the same genre which favors one sound signature over another (for example, I prefer a fun v-shape for rock and metal while I prefer a flatter response curve for orchestral).
>>53982750
Why the hell are people buying this?
>>53982785
Here on /hpg/ it's the memphone effect. On headfi I believe it is called "flavor of the month." Last month it was the AKG K7XX. I wonder what they call it on reddit.
>>53982750
Because you're boxing them for a refund?
>>53982799
The k7xx is legitimately good though
>>53982808
>Dr faget
Shut up you clown
>>53982823
Exactly, it's just the typical 4chan mentality
>w-why are everyone buying these now t-they must be shit!
Fucking idiot.
>>53982838
i never said the fostex were shit
>>53982859
Not you i meant the other guy
>>53982785
it's a legit good headphone that pretentious faggots on headfi pretty much ignored because it doesn't retail for $600, and then as usual Zeos says it's good and people start clawing for them like they're golden, I recommended them as soon as they came out and people thought I was crazy
>>53977602
Carl Gustaf best King in the world.
>>53977678
>favourite album is a greatest hits.
>>53982184
It's easier to equalize something down than up. That being said, it's funny that everyone has a different opinion on the DT990s. Some say they're way too bassy, others say they are too piercing.
I say they sound fucking amazing, have great build quality, are sold at a great price, look very nice, and are perfect for all of my uses.
Weird, how hearing differs, from one person to the next. Even in the same person, from one year to another.
>>53983475
990s are both bassy and harsh.
>Budget
<$60
>Location
US
>Source
Galaxy S4, PC
>Preferred type of headphones
Over ears
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Very comfy, for hours and hours of listening in one sitting
>Preferred music
Rap, Metal and Rock, Drum & Bass, Classical.
>Past Headphones
Skullcandy Hesh, basically you could give me a cup and string and I'd be okay with it.
Hi /hpg/
Are them a meme?
>>53983494
They have bass to them, yes. But it isn't overwhelming or boomy. The high treble levels can also be fantastic to someone who doesn't hear high pitches very well in the first place, like myself. If you're sensitive to treble, don't use them.
They're great headphones, though.
Anybody here own a MC5 and another Etymotic model? I want to ask a question about sibilance. Only reply if you own a MC5 irl.
Chink shit measurement.
Nevermind. Ignore my post >>53983715. I was listening to badly recorded music.
>>53984340
Sure anon, blame the music...
>>53984361
Nah. Music I was listening to was poop. I tested it on other headphones.
>>53977565
shit tier pads
>>53984906
I put the hm5 hybrid pads on mine and now they're god tier, really comfortable and well built headphones.
>>53983811
After autistic EQ. This is a DF equalized plot. Sounds great but the tips and fit is still garbage.
I'm looking for a pair of portable over- or on-ear, closed cans with good isolation.
Source will be my phone, Xperia Z3 Compact.
I currently have the Momentum On-ear and I don't care for them too much, they sound flat and aren't comfortable.
I use K702 65th Anniversary at home, like them a lot.
I've been looking at
- B&W P5
- MDR-1A
- ATH-MSR7
- Marshall Headphones Monitor
- AKG K545
I would go for the Beoplay H6 but I've heard that they would need a decent amp and I don't really want to bother with that.
>>53985310
>I use K702 65th Anniversary at home
I'll suck your dick if you sell them
>>53985387
couldn't you just buy the k712 pro? i've heard they're the same shit, albeit with a lame color scheme.
>>53985387
Maybe you don't know this, but the standard K702 aren't much different from the K702 Annie, even though they're much cheaper and they're always available.
> inb4 b-but they have no bass!! D:
>>53983715
I found something interesting related to MC5.
>>53981870
was mostly a pain getting the jack in as i didnt have a drill available at the time so I had to file it down.
pretty hard to goof overall, worst case scenario you punction the cone, break the plastic housing, or short shit out.
I used silver solder, a 3.5mm female jack with a ring to tighten against the housing, and vmoda cables.
>>53982184
confirmed for no amp?
I have an amp/dac and listen to nothing but bass. The treble sounds high to you because you arent supplying the power to drive the larger waves.
I can physically feel the vibration from the bass on my dt990s - without overwhelming treble. The only music I listen to is bass music.
Just got my new headphones and I want to test them out. How do I do this?
>>53985846
You play some music of your choice on them.
>>53985846
Just listen to them.
FLAC Internet radio:mpv https://chiru.no:8081/stream.flac
Currently playing anime music
Where does /hpg/ get their high quality audio from?
HDTracks is way too expensive
>>53985922
https://chiru.no/dl/
>>53985930
>anime music
I know it's easy to miss, but my post was about quality, in both senses of the word
>>53986069
![headphones_koss_ksc_75_by_techrack[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vn3ogvg.jpg "headphones_koss_ksc_75_by_techrack[1].jpg")
have you appreciated your ksc75s lately?
>>53986105
s-sorry
>>53984997
Do you use toilet paper behind the pads? I heard they get tinny. I have ordered mine but I cant get the 1540 pads here in Canada so I might opt for those ones.
Legit question. On all YouTube videos that has anything to do with bass, you see people comment "My headphones are so good my head shakes from the bass XDD" Is that even possible?
>>53986256
>toilet paper
>>53986256
Ordered my T50rp Mk III that is.
>invest hundreds into audiophile headphones
>listen to 160kbps tracks on youtube
why are you doing this
>>53986261
anyone who comments that is pretty hollow in there anyway so yes
>>53986278
I know it sounds stupid but there is a point to it, Zreviews mentioned it in his MK III review.
>>53986256
I haven't tried toilet paper lol, I just put the hm5 hybrid pads on and they sound great as it is however i'm open to trying new pads/mods if people start to figure better combinations.
I'm really happy with them, they're much more enjoyable for pretty much everything than my 702's (which I love). No more messing around with EQ's now, i'm done.
my mom is yelling at me because i clogged the toilet. pls help.
>>53986500
unclog it?
>got myself a fancy little dot hybrid tube shit
>buy some mullard meme tubes
>sounds exactly the same
>one tube has hiss
fuck my life
>>53985672
The etys seem better desu senpai
>>53986604
> tubes
You deserved it
>>53986664
Guess I did. Always falling for the memes.
They look cool though.
>>53985672
>>53986649
Back again. Both sound good. MC5s reminded me of the SR-207s that's why I made that gif. They don't sound the same. I like both so I'm not going to bad talk about neither of them. If I had to pick between what's better. I'd choose the SR-207 obviously. And if I had to pick again what other headphone I like. HD600. It's my daily headphone for animes, not music.
