MICROSOFT WON
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Linux has been co-opted.
>>53962432
redhat and cannonical are not linux
>>53962448
https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/documentation/articles/virtual-machines-linux-endorsed-distros/
EMBRACED
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Remember the three Es.
Embrace.
Extend.
Extinguish.
>>53962432
how do i install pseudo linux on my win10 enterprise ?
Install Gentoo
Hello, my name is Satya. Can I interest you in Red Hat Linux?
>>53962648
Is there a Raspberry Beret linux?
Good thing everythings GPL'd
cant extinguish ;^)
>>53962432
Excellent
now we wait for extend
I wonder what it's gonna be
>>53962677
DX12
>>53962683
Vulkan will be king, DX12 will die like DX10.
>>53962432
i dont get it
>>53962660
>implying they won't get around it somehow
>>53962660
The blessing of Saint Ignucius in the form of the GPL, will quell the evil spirits of micro$oft.
>>53962702
>M$ embraced lincucks just so Vulkan won't be developed for older versions of windows
>>53962736
DELETE THIS
>>53962648
*designated tipping intensifies*
>>53962809
u mad faget
Their target is not linux, linux is just their first step. Their real target is to extinguish OSX.
Coming soon:
Windows Desktop on Linux
Also coming soon:
GNU/NT Kernel
>>53963069
Cant because it's GPL :)
>>53962601
>>53962615
who said this anyway?
Also will microsoft contribute to gnu / linux's developement most likely?
>>53963635
>Embrace: Development of software substantially compatible with a competing product, or implementing a public standard.
>Extend: Addition and promotion of features not supported by the competing product or part of the standard, creating interoperability problems for customers who try to use the 'simple' standard.
>Extinguish: When extensions become a de facto standard because of their dominant market share, they marginalize competitors that do not or cannot support the new extensions.
>>53963652
I'd be worried if Microsoft's "features" weren't just various forms of botnet and surveillanceware.
>>53963069
>>53963602
no one would want a linux/NT kernel mix anyway
gnu is not a kernel, you fucktard, it's a dream that'll never become real
>>53962660
>using the smiley with a carat nose
>>53962432
Pardon, but I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I just the other day began to call it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made practical by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system daily, without realizing it. Because of a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
>believing that Loonux won't suffer a huge performance hit being run alongside the bloated M$ frankenzombie OS
Might as well just use it in a VM.
Also, "no Arch support" == "no thanks"
Typical M$, thinking Linux's advantage is in its userland.
>>53962432
>they believed the linux is secure meme
http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/04/researchers-help-shut-down-spam-botnet-that-enslaved-4000-linux-machines/
>linux in charge of not being part of a botnet
>>53963635
>Also will microsoft contribute to gnu / linux's developement
they already do
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2166123/microsoft-contributed-code-canonical-linux-2632
>>53963887"no Arch support" == "no thanks"
false
>>53963887
DAE le arch master race xdddddd
>>53962615
this
>>53963735
wow, I wonder if you're really this stupid
I also wonder what a double kernel system would be like, rather than, you know, os and kernel
>>53964457
please do explain how MS is going to EEE GPL'd software
>>53964488
By braking the law and scaring everyone
Tbh, on my business laptops I use Ubuntu because it's free. As in, it doesn't cost me money.
>>53964486
what about...
a small kernel that manages multiple kernels designed for one thing (video, audio, devices, etc...)?
>>53962615
>Extinguish.
Cringe so hard every time I hear this.
How do you extinguish FOSS code? It's impossible.
The only way you could extinguish it is by creating a competing product that offers so much more or is so much better that people will pay for it and/or sacrifice the open source freedom to use it.
That isn't extinguishing, that's pure competition driving innovation and improvements. Crying about this "EEE" is pretty much admitting you're scared of MS because you know deep down they will make something better than you can and you don't have the competence to compete.
>>53965219
that's a microkernel
>>53964400
Impropely ssecured SSH servers veint taken over by a botnet are the fault of the user, not the kernel
>work as server support
>Centos/RHEL linux server run flawlessly for near 2 years.
>later management migrate the physical linux server to hyperv because "it's cloud so must be good"
>Down once in a while after every few months, reason being microsoft update reboot the hyperv host.
>Cause a problem on server side software, need to fix.
>Once problem solve, microsoft continue with new update and finally crash the linux server.
>This time linux guest hyperv module need to be updated and not compatible with host version. >No backward compatible at all and full of problem.
>>53965276
>Impropely ssecured SSH servers veint taken over by a botnet are the fault of the user, not the kernel
Yeah it's never Linux's fault ever... Yet for the past 20 years Linux users worldwide shout to the heavens about all the viruses they got on Windows (all of which were third party and installed due to carelessness and stupidity) and blame only MS for this rather than themselves and each other.
Even the OpenBSD lead admits publicly that core Windows is more secure than Linux.
>>53965219
You might want to look at unikernel.
>>53965334
That's why freetards love repositories so much because if they are left to go out alone they end up fucking themselves. It's like having a retarded kid at pre-school and they have to keep it in the enclosure for its own safety, they give it the bigger softer brand of legos to play with so it feels like they are accomplishing something but in reality everyone just feels bad for them and worse for the parents.
>>53965269
>How do you extinguish FOSS code?
You implement a similar idea and patent it, then force the original creators to stop using it or sue them. FOSS developers don't protect their property and has no assets to go against Microsoft's army of lawyers.
Microsoft has done this several times before, it is not something new.
>>53965439
Impossible. Stop being paranoid.
What will happen to /g/ if Microsoft start endorsing Gentoo?
>>53965439
>Microsoft has done this several times before, it is not something new.
I'd love to see all these examples of MS stealing FOSS ideas and software and then having the original creators sued.
>>53965439
You're thinking Applel because Jobs and Cuck are ultrakikes.
www.technobuffalo.com/2016/01/15/f-lux-hey-apple-you-copied-us/
MS tends to just buy out companies with products/ideas they want.
>>53968326
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish here you go mate
>>53968427
Delete this
>>53962660
>mfw I'm not BSD
>>53968427
That wasn't FOSS though. Google has been doing this more than Microsoft in recent years.
>yet another Microsoft Is Butthurt About GNU So We Have To Make Yet Another Troll Thread thread
REPORT
DO NOT REPLY
>>53962432
http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2016/03/ubuntu-on-windows.html
>>53962655
Yeah, it's the kind of Linux you find at a secondhand store.
>>53969122
>DO NOT REPLY
but you just did reply
>>53962448
So, they're not canon, let's just ignore them, hah!
>>53962648
I laughed, real hard, and like a fucking nerd even though I despise math. Weeeew lad.
>>53962448
Red Hat is responsible for much of the technological improvements of gnu/linux. Hipster faggot.
>>53962660
They'll try to get around it, but let me bet they can only go as far as to EULA the shit out of apps inside the Enterprise distro, unless they want nobody to try the damn thing.
>>53962925
But, then again, what if, what they want is not to extinguish but to hybridize their os systems? I mean A Win OSX Linux could be the most ultra potent universal clusterfuck OS on earth only available to the most elite basement dwellers.
>>53969245
Are you an elitist micro$oft rookie employee dog?
>>53969329
Applesoft Foundation GNUndows/LinOSX
>>53963069
But, it's a legend and a myth that a Linux distro will sort of bootcamp virtualize legacy Windows for their new Sky based AMD and Intel processors that don't allow legacy OS.
This is like the end of Matrix 3, when Agent Smith thinks he killed Neo and ends up destroyed himself
>>53969468
https://github.com/Microsoft
>>53969468
>So is Linucks "Unity" (Neo/One) and The Oracle is Apple, while Morpheus is Microsoft Trying to dissuade Neo with his self doubt?
>>53969468
Oh, and Smith is the Masons / other "organizations"?
>>53965334
>Yeah it's never Linux's fault ever
nice strawman, analyze each case separately instead of blaming an stereotyped version of what you think people is saying.
>Yet for the past 20 years Linux users worldwide shout to the heavens about all the viruses they got on Windows
Don't let people manipulate you, start learning how to think by yourself.
>(all of which were third party and installed due to carelessness and stupidity)
A computer cannot distinguish what is a desirable operation and what not, at best you can use heuristics to recognize certain patterns.
>and blame only MS for this rather than themselves and each other.
Each person has had a different experience, at least on my case linux provides very good security measures and sane defaults. In case of windows chocolatey-gui should come by default and people should be instructed to get their software from a trusted source when possible.
>Even the OpenBSD lead admits publicly that core Windows is more secure than Linux.
Again, learn to think by yourself, examine the security features of each of your options and decide what's good for you.
>>53965439
If Microsoft patents something you've already been doing, an you have to do is show that you've already been doing it. You can't patent something that isn't original, so bringing you to court would only serve to invalidate their patent.
>>53965394
>That's why freetards love repositories so much because if they are left to go out alone they end up fucking themselves.
So sane security measures and getting your software from trusted sources are "for pussies"? Nice argument.
>It's like having a retarded kid at pre-school and they have to keep it in the enclosure for its own safety, they give it the bigger softer brand of legos to play with so it feels like they are accomplishing something but in reality everyone just feels bad for them and worse for the parents.
webm related
>>53963635
>>53965269
>How do you extinguish FOSS code? It's impossible.
It's on wikipedia, It's not hard to find, also you're misinterpreting the definition, it's not about "extinguish" FOSS code, it's about making yourself as incompatible as possible whne you have a significant market share in order to lock your customers into your ecosystem. It's an anticompetitive measure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish
>That isn't extinguishing, that's pure competition driving innovation and improvements.
Not necessarily, independently if your product is better or not if your users cannot open your documents in any other software easily then you're effectively making them to depend on your product.
>Crying about this "EEE" is pretty much admitting you're scared of MS because you know deep down they will make something better than you can and you don't have the competence to compete.
Ok so i have a simple question for you: If their product is so good why do they have the need to implement this kind of strategies?
By your logic, even if people can perfectly open their documents created with a microsoft product in other software they'll come back by themselves anyway because "they have the best product". Microsoft has already implemented this kind of strategies in the past and that's why most companies are wary of them in one way or another. So, why do they need to lock their users if they are so confident in their product in the first place?
>>53970307
Then the argument falls flat. They can't do EEE
>>53962432
This was announced over a year ago. The fuck have you been?
downboat
>>53963735
>no one would want a linux/NT kernel
Wait, didn't ReactOS do this already?
>>53965269
If you divert the entire developerbase to work for you, how is the foss effort going to progress in any way?
>>53965269
MSN pretty much destroyed Novell, mono and qt.
They're not going for Linux directly. But for linux companies that specialise in corporate Linux implementations. Red hat and open suse are on their hit list.
Is this realistically going to amount to anything other than easier dev cross-platform access?
What's the computational/performance overhead involved?
If you have a linux kernel on your windows machine can't you hard disable all the fucking retarded W10 stuff?
>>53971814
No. ReactOS its a reimplementation of pure NT.
>>53970766
THIS
>>53962448
Redhat pretty much is.
>>53974798
This. All thanks to our lord and savior, lennart poettering.
>>53974798
Anyone who disagrees is a butthurt troll
