IRC edition (psst! see below!)
Previously on: >>53891471
Welcome to /fg/lt/, or as I've recently taken to calling it, /fg+lt/. We are always open to users of all levels, including absolute beginners.
There are four ways to try GNU/Linux, you can:
0) Install a GNU/Linux OS on a VM (Virtual Machine/VirtualBox) for "safety purposes"
1) Use the Live ISO directly without installing anything, that way, you can get a "full GNU/Linux experience".
2) Dual-boot GNU/Linux with Windows/Mac (recommended if you want to learn more about GNU/Linux)
3) Go balls deep and overwrite everything with GNU/Linux
Before asking, please search for answers to your questions in resources.
Please be civil, notice the "Friendly" in every Friendly GNU/Linux Thread.
Understand that much of your software from Windows will be unavailable, although maybe WINE can make up for it.
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Resources:
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Your friendly neighborhood search engine (searx.me, ixquick, whatever)
https://wiki.archlinux.org/ (Most of the configurations and troubleshoots will work on various distros, including Debian)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Category:GNU/Linux
http://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php
>>53906770
I asked this right as the thread died :(
When scanning a host with nmap, which is better/more secure, closed or filtered?
>>53906791
I guess you wouldn't have support for the product if you compiled/forked it.
>>53906791
You're buying a license for the software, not the software itself.
I'm retiring my current build and I want to do something Loonixy - torrent/media/fileserver, something like that. Spex:
Intel E5200 @ 2.50GHz
4GB RAM
128GB SSD / 1TB SATA
What distro does /flt/ recommend, and whyfor?
>>53906831
https://www.linux.com/learn/how-build-linux-media-server
>>53906786
>>53906742
>>53906702
Turns out I found a workaround here
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1229874#c4$ sudo -i
# QT_X11_NO_MITSHM=1 unetbootin
I guess that'll have to do
>>53906831
Do you want/need a GUI
>>53906791
Businesses that make free-software products usually focus on the packaging and support aspect. Companies like Red Hat and Canonical are based on the support services and expertise they provide. If you're a Red Hat customer and run into an obscure bug, they will go right in and fix it for you.
What did he mean by this?(lxappearance:7608): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "murrine",
>>53906896
For some stuff, probably. Having the freedom to toggle the GUI would be advantageous.
You have got to be fucking kidding.
>>53906842
Cheers m7
>>53906954
kek
#dpt on irc.freenode.net
gogogo
>>53906954
was that your main HDD
>>53906912
murrine is an interface decoration component
for some reason, it could not be found
>>53906954
>Expert Partitioner
>>53906912
You need to install the gtk murrine engine.
>>53906905
Thank you.
Thank you RMS
>>53906990
I backed up my data on an external HDD. it's just a shame i can't fall back on win 7 now.
Oh look, how nice. Now what?
>>53907009
>>53907010
Yep lol
This shit looks like fucking ass
Numix-holo not that good desu.
Any suggestions for good themes?
Anyone on Fedora use mpv with youtube-dl without issues? I'm thinking of installing it but I need at least that software to have no issues. The RPM fusion thing has me a little worried.
On the plus side, i don't have to worry about losing my win 7 install anymore.
> don't even have the recovery disk at home
>>53907367
It's a sign.
It's Saint Ignucius from the church of Emacs giving you the chance to repent and install GNU/Linux, and go cold turkey on it instead of dual booting
No but seriously, I'm sorry for your loss bro. Hopefully you didn't lose important data
>>53907397
Nah i was smart enough to put it all on my external HDD beforehand, even occluding all my meme pics. And i was working in libreoffice for uni stuff anyway so no i can just keep going when i get openSuSE running or borrow my sister's laptop or something.
I'm running arch, and I keep getting random internet disconnects. While it's down I can connect to my firewall/router just fine, but stuff on the internet goes down for around a minute
I was messing around with networking stuff for QEMU awhile ago, which could be the problem.
Is there a way to fix this or am I just going to have to nuke it and start over?
I just spent 3 hrs trying to get my eOS liveUSB to boot
I added the 'nomodeset' thing to grub, and fiddled with my CSM/Secureboot settings
I can't change my resolution in eOS, is it safe to install?
I got a SSD+ 2 HDDs, eOS is going on the 2nd HDD, Windows is on the SSD+1st HDD, I'd rather dedicate a whole HDD to Linux.
Alright, it's installing shit. T minus 1 hour if I'm reading this correctly.
> almost 3 am
Time for bed, thanks for the help guys.
> can't even watch porn
Kind of not linux related, but you guys are the only thread I like in /g/ so I'll ask anyway
What do you guys think of LastPass? Is it okay? Or holy-shit-what-are-you-doing tier?
I've been using it for a while and been happy with it, but I've never tried any other password manager service before.
>>53907051
gpt for uefi
dos for bios
>>53907692
No idea. Google says windows might not be compatible with gpt so i chose msdos (in case i want to install win 7 again on the side for vidya). It's working so far, see
>>53907606
>>53907498
http://pastebin.com/E6m4e9Y5
This command is required on linux to get NPM working without sudosudo chown -R $(whoami) $(npm config get prefix)/{lib/node_modules,bin,share}
but it also change rights for whole bin & share, am I right? is it safe?
>>53907767
Im telling you what it is
gpt is for uefi,which is on your motherboard.
dos is for basic bios systems.
Check your mobo for what it runs.
If you get a mouse capable interface when you go to the config, you have uefi.Most of them are backwads compatable(which it seems in your case)
I use Ubuntu at work, and decided to use lxde. For the most part this would work well without any issues, but once I started using a second monitor, lxpanel either extends pass the screen and I can't see items like the clock, or I have to move all the panel items over to the left to see them all. I tried using DockBarX but ended up breaking it somehow. I may try Kubuntu or Lubuntu later, not sure, since I need something that plays nice with dual monitors, as using Ubuntu's default DE causes some flickering issues and general slowness. So, I'm looking to either try to fix lxpanel (I should have taken screenshots, apologies, will do so later) or try a different DE/taskbar app/new distro. What are some good ones you would suggest, and how would I also set it to run on default instead of lxpanel should I do so? Thanks.
Also, I have a .sh script that sets my monitors in the correct position created by arandr, but am not sure how to get it to run on start, or set to default. It's a minor annoyance, though.
I love Ubuntu and Linux in general, but transitioning from a Windows environment is a bit rough at first. Any taskbars I can use similar to 7 or 8/10 is welcome, as well as new themes.
>>53907367
Remind me again what are you trying to do and why? How about jsut installing Ubuntu or something else that Just Works?
Attention!
We are posting all the games ported to GNU/Linux we can find.
JOIN!
JOIN!
>>>/t/707928
>>>/t/707928
>>>/t/707928
>>53907930
When i press f2 during boot to enter the bios i only have an old-timey keyboard interface.
>>53907959
I wanted something with foss software which Ubuntu isn't.
>>53907959
t. canonical
Anybody here use Tails?
>mfw the NSA is monitoring this thread
#flt on irc.freenote.net
get in here faggots
>>53908004
You should check out Debian mang.
At least more people would be able to help you out then. They're FOSS flagships and SUSE has always been known to do stuff non-standard.
>>53908199
Debian is shit compared to openSUSE.
>>53908208
Nice opinion
Too bad it's wrong
>>53907999
Nvidia only ones don't count.
>>53908119
same
Will there ever be hardware companies that are 100% FOSS friendly and are actually good?
I just really hope we don't have to keep eating from the scraps of the table of NVIDIA and AMD. You can definitely tell Linux is an afterthought for them.
>>53906806
Neither is better or secure. Closed is typically a closed port or a firewall refuse rule(got RST). Filtered just means it didn't respond, usually a firewall drop rule.
I have a rasp pi connected to a TV. When I boot Linux it has an X desktop being displayed.
I want to control that from my phone/computer through VNC which is what I use for my remote desktop servers
The problem is when I start a VNC session and connect to it, that X session is a different "instance" of one being displayed on the TV.
How do I make my TV display the VNC :1 session and not the default X desktop it loaded on boot?
Hooray.
Couldn't log in with user account though, only as root...
Now to set stuff up.
>>53908303
X11 forwarding
>>53908239
For an average x86 laptop, intel everything is usually the lesser of evils. Integrated graphics, wifi, everything.
If you're looking for hardware to get, check here
https://h-node.org/hardware/catalogue/en
>>53908139
THIS
Moar of you faggots need to get yoru asses in here.
>>53908305
Ohhhhh yes.
>>53908328
Can you explain a bit more?
>>53908487
Never log in as root to the desktop, holy shit.
I've been using ubuntu predominantly for months now and I have a few questions on making it perfect for me. One, I need a good light weight media player that has a nice minimal interface. Two, same goes for a torrent client. Three, is there anything better than sabnzbd for usenet? Four, How do I make this look better I want it to look like some of the minimalist shit I see on here...
>>53908774
But that's the only way I can log in at all.
Installed OpenSuSE, tried to log in, couldn't. Tried root, it worked.
What do?
/home/ is empty by the way.
>>53906744
Arch newbie here, recently moved over from Debian
I'm trying to figure out how to enable new repositories, specifically I want this package (https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/pamac-aur/)
How would I enable the proper repository! Thanks!
>>53908832
Don't blindly do things as root just because you can't do it as a user.
>>53908512
Setup xorg forwarding so you can dial in to your pi from your pc.You woudl have full control, as if you were logged on to it
>>53908878
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_User_Repository
>>53908897
Well, if I can't even log in as a user I have to log in as root. Do you have an idea how to fix this issue that happened BEFORE I logged in as root in the first place?
Also what's the worst that could happen. Worst comes to worst I'll reinstall OpenSuSE.
>>53908925
You've given absolutely no indication of what happened or why you couldn't log in. What do you expect us to say?
>>53908775
>mpv
>deluge/qbittorrent
>urd
>openbox
>>53908946
This is literally what happened:
> install OpenSuSe
> boot from HDD
> login screen appears
> shows my name
> asks for password
> enter password
> screen flashes, goes back to login screen
> when logging in as root (with the same password) everything werks
When I enter a wrong password it gives me an appropriate notification so that's not it.
I don't know what the fuck is going on.
>>53908922
Just did it, figured out how to uncomment and everything.
You can pretty much call me an Arch pro at this point
jkjk
>>53908775
If you are feeling adventurous, i would recommend an i3 WM. But it does take a bit more to use, but its great if you like CLI
>>53909004
>didnt setup a user account
>>53909056
Of course i did, it's part of the install process and how the os knew my name.
I figured it out though.
Ok guys I know my google fu is not strong but for the life of me I can't find an answer to this question. Is there a way when running arch to switch WMs in the fly in terminal? Looking at trying several out quickly. Thanks in advance!
>>53909111
use different xservers
>>53909103
>I figured it out though.
And?
>>53909142
You can also use Xephyr to nest X sessions.
how come fonts look completely one colour when they're normal sized, but when I look closer there's all this red and blue shit everywhere? (or on wandoze, like 400 different orange and green ish colours)
how does font rendering actually work?
>>53909208
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Infinality
What is the best way to script responses to ACPI events in Debian? I want to make some of the Fn+ keys on my laptop do what they are supposed to do. The Debian documentation seems to say that acpid is not recommended for laptops, and that HAL does ACPI stuff, but it only seems to be for power management. I can't find much info on it.
Bonus question: Why does Debian still use HAL?
>>53909208
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subpixel_rendering
>>53909238
xev,xmodmap,xbindkeys
>>53909231
That is not how font rendering works.
>>53909157
Mistyped the description password for the /home partition the times so pc couldn't access the user files, so couldn't log in.
>>53909247
Has links and information on how it works.
>>53909260
No, it explains how infinality works, which isn't how font rendering works.
>>53909254
decryption*
>>53906744
Dawgs
Fresh Arch install and no sound
Wat do
>>53909336
Did you unmute it in alsamixer?
>>53907942
For running that randr script at startup just shove it in ~/.xsessionrc
>>53909346
Yeah
>>53909004
use the adduser command to add a new user
I just had a fucking heart attack. I wiped my filthy monitor thoroughly with some paper towels and a random cloth for cleaning glasses that I found because I'm a lazy fuck and then my laptop booted into some gay screensaver that xfce has that looks like some white fuzzy blobs splattered in the middle of the screen. I thought I fucked up.
>>53909439
You don't have the drivers for your sound card. Try the alsa-firmware package.
>>53909505
Ah thank you
>>53909246
Do these programs handle ACPI events, as opposed to just keypresses? According to xev my Fn key does not produce a keypress event. I can't find much info online, but I've found some guides that seem to suggest that xbindkeys does not handle ACPI events.
>>53909505
Sorry to bug you again, I got them.
Now what do I do?
>>53909505
Never mind this (>>53909544) I have sound!
I just had to restart my browser
Thanks for the help anon
How do you install lo/g/OS it says there is an install script, but I can't find any documentation. Do I install it like arch?
>>53909473
I thought I was the only dumb fuck this happened to. I also got scared shitless when I went back to my computer and saw a glitchy ass screen and thought to myself OH WHAT NOW, NO NO NO NO
Almost had a goddamn panic attack
Hey guys, kind of a linux newbie here.
I'm running Debian. I've noticed that my restart/shutdown times for Linux are very very slow in comparison to restarting/shutting down a live USB or even my small Windows partition. I'd like to troubleshoot this
I've also noticed that when booting up from GRUB to Debian, I get a few non-critical errors. I'd like to have access to them while in-session to copy paste them here and see if you guys can help me troubleshoot them (along with google).
So TL;DR
>what's the terminal command on Debian to show me the logs of the last boot?
>how can I get it to also show me the logs of the last restart/shutdown to see what's causing it to take so long when turning off?
Thanks for your time
So it says that I don't have permission to make this package, but when I try to do it as root the system says I am not allowed to use makepkg as root.
Should I move the tarball to a new folder I create and extract it there?
>>53909279
Archfags only know how to link to infinality whenever a question about fonts comes up.
To make fonts look nice, just enable lcd filter and put hinting to either off or slight and you're golden. No need to for third party repos and all this shit. More proof that archfags just want scripts to do everything for them, just like in their "manual install" that is all scripts.
>>53909997
Just install yaourt
>>53910076
How do you enable the LCD filter?
recommend me some gnome extensions to make this piece of shit actually function in a way a normal human being can use. already installed the hot corner disabler. what else?
>>53909997
Did you extract the tarball as root?
In the directory you're in, try running:sudo chown -R <your username>:users .
Then try the command again.
>>53910087
Don't I have to build that from the AUR as well?
>>53910110
If you want to you can
http://revryl.com/2013/07/11/yaourt-installation-arch-linux/
>>53910090
Put this in .fonts.conf<?xml version='1.0'?>
<!DOCTYPE fontconfig SYSTEM 'fonts.dtd'>
<fontconfig>
<match target="font">
<edit mode="assign" name="rgba">
<const>rgb</const>
</edit>
</match>
<match target="font">
<edit mode="assign" name="hinting">
<bool>true</bool>
</edit>
</match>
<match target="font">
<edit mode="assign" name="hintstyle">
<const>hintslight</const>
</edit>
</match>
<match target="font">
<edit mode="assign" name="antialias">
<bool>true</bool>
</edit>
</match>
<match target="font">
<edit mode="assign" name="lcdfilter">
<const>lcddefault</const>
</edit>
</match>
</fontconfig>
If you want to know how it works https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts
>>53910101
I just got yaourt, I appreciate the help
>>53910151
This got it running thanks
>>53909940
Guys? Anybody know?
>>53910172
Sweet!
>>53910292systemd-analyze blame
journalctl -b
>>53906744
I pinky promised my girlfiriend that I wouldn't kill myself so fuck you I will live meany.
>>53907221
We don't have a lot of fedora users but youtube-dl and mpv work pretty much everywhere.
>>53906744
What terminal do you goys use?
Preferably one that you can copy+paste in and modify to look gud
>>53910804
urxvt
>>53910804
terminator
>Distros that don't come with an easy to use installer and require you to use the command line for installation
Guys, I have this issue during Debian boot, hoping some wizard can help:lvmetad is not active yet, using direct activation during sysinit
lvmetad is not active yet, using direct activation during sysinit
Failed to find logical volume "Debian-SSD/swap"
/dev/mapper/Debian--SSD-root: Superblock last mount time is in the future.
(by less than a day, probably due to the hardware clock being incorrectly set)
/dev/mapper/Debian--SSD-root: clean, 199948 / 1831424 files. 1957468/7323648 blocks
[2.179643] systemd[1]: dev-disk-by\x2dpartlabel-Basic\x5cx20data\x5cx20partition.device: Dev dev-disk-by\x2dpartlabel-Basic\x5cx20data\x5cx20partition.device appeared twice with different sysfs paths /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.2/ata1/host0/target0:0:0/block/sda/sda4 and /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.2/ata1/host0/target0:0:0:0/block/sda/sda1
[2.197269] systemd[1]: dev-disk-by\x2partlabel-Microsoft\x5cx20reserved\x5cx20reserved\x5cx20partition.device : Dev dev-disk-by\x2partlabel-Microsoft\x5cx20reserved\x5cx20reserved\x4cx20partition.device appeared twice with different sysfs paths /sys/devices/pc10000:00/0000:00:if.2/ata1/host0/target0:0:0/0:0:0:0/block/sda/sda3 and /sys/devices/pc10000:00/0000:00:if.2/ata2/host1/target1:0:0/i:0:0:0/block/sdb/sdb1
[2.198450] systemd[1]: dev-disk-by\x2dpartlabel-Basic
\x5cx20data\x5cx20partition.device: Dev dev-disk-by\x2partlabel-Basic\x5cx20data\x4cx20partition.device appeared twice with different sysfs paths /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:if.2/ata1/host0/target0:0:0/0:0:0:0/block/sda/sda4 and /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:if.2/ata2/host1/target1:0:0/1:0:0:0/block/dsb/sdb2
(Wew, that took a long time to copy down by hand)
Relevant information:
I have an SSD and an HDD. In the SSD lie 3 small windows partition, two of them mandatory by UEFI, the other one a 30GB partition for Windows. In the other bigger partition of the SSD I have an LVM set up. (continued next post...)
>>53910886
(...continued)
As you can see in that third line, I deleted my swap logical volume in that LVG to add the space to my home volume. However it seems the system is still trying to pick it up - how can I fix that?
The next error lines I suspect are
>Windows partition messing with the hardware clock
>systemd having a fit over the Miccrosoft partitions in the SSD and one in the HDD (the HDD has a microsoft reserved partition, a small windows storage data storage partition, and the rest is storage for linux)
How can I go about fixing this?
>>53910886
>>53910927
Remove the entry for swap from/etc/fstab
>>53910886
*I should correct - 3 mandatory windows partitions in the SSD, and another one for the actual install.
So sda 1 through 4 are Windows (including the EFI System, which is in sda2 and windows and debian share it to boot and get recognized by GRUB)
The fifth (sda5) is the LVM2 Physical Volume for Debian, in which root and home are contained
For the HDD, sdb1 and sdb2 are windows, sdb3 is Debian storage
Hopefully this can paint a picture in your head. If you need any more info let me know please
>>53910841
>>53910844
I'll look into both of these
>>53910971
>>53910927
>>53910886
Oh, and the system is bootable, this is no critical issue - it's just a bit troubling to me. And I believe it may be making the process slower.
>>53910961
Weird thing is, entries for swap are nowhere to be found there:# <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>
/dev/mapper/Debian--SSD-root / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1
# /boot/efi was on /dev/sda2 during installation
UUID=DAC3-6543 /boot/efi vfat umask=0077 0 1
# /data was on /dev/sdb3 during installation
UUID=54d46282-a581-4b9b-9b9e-8f5161faa470 /data ext4 defaults 0 2
/dev/mapper/Debian--SSD-home /home ext4 defaults 0 2
/dev/sr0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
Unless I'm missing something obvious...
Maybe it's because in an LVG in sda5 and not on the physical drive itself? But I don't think that's the case, because /home is also in there and it still appears here with fstab.
/data is just a mountpoint I made for sdb3 btw
>>53909543
No they don't. Acpi on debian at least doesn't depend on HAL (nothing in debian does?). It listens for events from the kernel.
>>53909940
There is a package called bootlogd that logs to /var/log/boot but I don't know if that is deprecated by systemd journald or whatever.
>>53911030
Then check the systemd unit files. There should be one if there is no entry in the fstab. I believe they can be found in/usr/lib/systemd/system/*.mount
>>53911122
Doesn't seem like there's such a folder/usr/lib/systemd$ ls
boot catalog network user user-generators
>>53911139
Well, shit... I'm a Fedorafag and that is the location of the unit files in my distro. Not sure where the fuck they put them in debian derivatives.
Fucking systemd man... I swear.
>>53911139
Perhaps/lib/systemd/system?
>>53911172
Ah! there it was/lib/systemd/system$ ls | grep mount
dev-hugepages.mount
dev-mqueue.mount
mountall-bootclean.service
mountall.service
mountdevsubfs.service
mountkernfs.service
mountnfs-bootclean.service
mountnfs.service
proc-sys-fs-binfmt_misc.automount
proc-sys-fs-binfmt_misc.mount
sys-fs-fuse-connections.mount
sys-kernel-config.mount
sys-kernel-debug.mount
systemd-remount-fs.service
umountfs.service
umountnfs.service
umountroot.service
umount.target
Which one should I modify?
I think I'm going to go to bed for now, but I'm going to leave the thread open in case people have more suggestions for my problems listed here
>>53910886
>>53910927
>>53910971
I will try them tomorrow. Thanks guys, and good night
testing tripcode
>>53911172
>Channging the location of unit files
The whole point is systemd was that it should be ready to use across distros
>>53909208
it's called "subpixel rendering", which is the use of sub-pixels to gain higher effective horizontal resolution
pic related is what is actually on the display, a pixel here is a square consisting of a red, green, and blue vertical line, those lines are sub-pixels
>>53911235
fuckin' hell... I'm still new to this systemd shit myself. We can learn together. Check it:
https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.swap.html
On that note; I'm off to slumber too. G'night, anon.
>>53911322
>>Channging the location of unit files
>The whole point is systemd was that it should be ready to use across distros
No shit, huh? The more I learn of systemd, the more cancerous I find it.
>138 posts
>last thread not even at limit yet
>>53911087
>It listens
What listens? That's pretty much my entire question. What program is receiving these events, and can I configure it to run scripts in response to them? Today I learned that there is a very large amount of Debian documentation that is way out of date.
Basically anything that isn't a full DE just beeps the PC speaker instead of playing a sound file.
How do I make a not-DE play a sound file instead of beeping the PC speaker?
is yaourt still the go to aur application?
i got my wisdom teeth removed and got a week of free time so decided to fiddle around with arch again.
heard ever since the switch to systemd its not breaking every update anymore.
Windows 10 users here. Really looking forward to the coming bash utilities. The best of both worlds.
>>53912077
>best of both worlds
what in hell is good about windows
how long would installing gentoo take me on a 1.8ghz C2D with 2gb of RAM?
thinking of trying it for a laugh but if it's going to spend all day compiling shit there's no point when i could do it in a VM on a faster machine.
>>53912059
Indeed, thanks to systemd it can now break with normal system usage as well. Don't forget to thank Poettering.
>>53912077
Please shill your shitty software somewhere else.
>>53912138
Depends on how many -bin packages you're willing to use. You could do it within a "reasonable" time if you're willing to use a precompiled kernel like the one in Funtoo's stage3.
>>53912138
chrome will take around a whole day. KDE will take 2 or three days. Other than that, not bad. Kernel in maybe a half-hour/45 minutes.
>>53911419
I meant to say acpid, look at apt show and the docs that come with the package
>always fuss about things that use too much memory
>don't want to use wayland because I'll just have to run a full x server anyway to be able to use any programs
>open up my laptop
>start chromium
>10 processes open using a grand total of 350mb of ram to display the new tab screen
can someone tell me why the pantsshitting fuck everyone seems to just excuse web browsers for using a metric fuckload of ram?
Is there a web browser out there that doesn't do this?
>>53912477
>Is there a web browser out there that doesn't do this?
i don't know of one fit for daily use on the modern web, but elinks is pretty lightweight for text-mode and doesn't usually fuck up formatting too badly.
>>53912477
You make me smile, Anon. It's kind of cute how you remind me of myself back when I too was fussy over memory usage.
Anyway, when running Wayland I don't believe that X server is going to use anywhere near the same amount of memory as it usually will, on account of not having anywhere near as much to do. I'm admittedly not absolutely confident on this but if you otherwise would want to use Wayland, it should be worth verifying.
On browsers, I don't know. I currently have seven loaded tabs in Firefox which is using 420 MB. I'm not too clear on how programs and operating systems manage memory in general, but I would also like to note how there was a steep increase in the amount of memory Firefox used when I upgraded from 4 to 8 GB RAM on my desktop. Seems to me browsers enjoy making use of the memory that is available to them.
Oh, and Anon, let me say for clarity that that opening remark was earnest and not intended to be condescending.
>>53912774
I have heard that browsers allocate as much RAM as possible (to a point) at any given time but will quickly surrender space if another process is attempting to allocate.
Either way I feel great when my machine is running close to full load
Trying to install Manjaro but it just hangs at
Running early hook
Running hook
triggering events
when I try to boot it off a USB.
I have an AMD FX 9370 and a reference 980 Ti. Anybody know a fix?
>>53912817
That sounds reasonable and I imagined something like it to be the case. It wouldn't really ever get over 3 GB during standard usage before the upgrade, while it's now not rare for it to hover between 4 and 5 GB. Swap has barely ever been getting touched, obviously, neither now and then.
Is anyone else switching from Ubuntu? I can't work on a system developed by canonical
vim or emacs?
>>53912477
noscript can help
Is there a way to check every sub directory in a directory for an image with a specific size
>>53913069
There's honestly a great deal about Canonical that I like. They have definitely been a significant piece in getting desktop Linux to where it is today and have made it much more feasible to put a non-Windows system on a less tech-savvy friend or relative's computer without unwanted headaches.
But yea, for my own part, I fled years ago. I especially don't want Mark "we-got-root" Shuttleworth anywhere near my systems. The whole Mir mess is just despicable. The shopping lens in Unity - especially its initial implementation - speaks for itself. I still regularly recommend *buntu to people when it makes sense and it's my go-to choice when installing Linux for someone other than myself, but I sure don't feel good about it.
>>53913103
Whichever you prefer. Vim for me. Emacs with evil mode seems interesting, though.
>>53913103
Yes.
>>53913189
but I am too scared that if I open vim I am unable to close it and never can try emacs
>>53913183find DIR -name "*.EXT" -size BYTESc
Also man find
>>53913293
Well, if you're worried that you'll be overwhelmed to the point where you can't find out how to close it, then ed is the editor for you! Simplicity defined!
How to use syntax highlighting for "non famous languages" in vim?
I am using sage for formal calculus, so I edit scripts likesomething.sage.
Sage uses python syntax so I want to configure vim so that it highlights .sage files the same way as .py files.
How can I do that?
In linux
ASMR.mp3 and asmr.mp3 are not the same?
>>53913345
Put this in your .vimrcautocmd BufRead,BufNewFile *.sage set filetype=python
>>53913368
Nope, Unix and its filesystems are case-sensitive
>>53913368
they arent the same period
not linux related
>>53913416
Thank you !!!
Hi guys, it's OpenSuSE guy from earlier again. Everything is working now, phew.
Is there FOSS software to connect my Android devices and use adb or an alternative? Or do I have to suck it up and install Java from Oracle?
for learning emacs
would it be smart to switch Caps and CTRL around?
>>53913484
What do you want?
KDE connect is pretty good for notifications and file sharing.
I used to have Xubuntu as my main OS, but I went with Win7 because of education and how everything just werks.
Now that I am looking to get back into Linux, it seems that Ubuntu has integrated systemd. Should it be a concern for me?
>>53913779
I want to be able to copy files, flash recovery images and stock ROMs and generally have full access to the device.
Regarding music, is there a FOSS mp3 to ogg converter, or do I redownload / rip again and convert into ogg from uncompressed?
>>53913826
ffmpeg comes to mind.
http://superuser.com/questions/273797/convert-mp3-to-ogg-vorbis
>>53913596
I think it would be a good idea to remap caps lock as ctrl.
I'm not even an emacs user but I find it more convenient to have a ctrl key on the homerow than caps lock. I think emacs user would appreciate it even further.
>>53913891
My keyboard got a dipswitch for it even got 2 extra keycaps with it to switch them so it wont be a problem doing it. but its a thing to get used to I accidently start TYPING LIKE THIS when I just try to copy thing
>>53912108
Having a proper compositing window manager and being able to handle hardware-accelerated 1080p youtube videos.
Is it possible to not use a distro and just do everything yourself?
I'm not asking whether it's advisable.
>>53914229
Of course. Check out Linux From Scratch (LFS).
>>53914229
Yes you mean making your own os?
TempleOS is a good example
>>53914229
linux from scratch and slackware are the two distributions that adhere to such philosophy
I installed Fedora. It's pretty comfy. Much better than last time I tried it in 2005ish.
>>53913784
Everyone has systemd now, except void linux, and funtoo.
If you have to ask, it's not a problem for you.
>>53914362
enjoy it anon
>>53913953
>Windows
No proper virtual desktop support, no always on top, no decent tiling, no scrolling in non focused windows, shit keybinds, no decent overview, no tabs in file manager without deprecated additional proprietary programs, almost no options for anything, shit font rendering, needing to restart to apply fonts, space wasting everywhere, shit hidpi support, inconsistencies everywhere... I could go on. Some things have been added in windows 10 but it's still not comparable in features to things like kde, gnome or xfce.
Gnome3 and xfce4 are superior in almost every imaginable way to any Windows DE but some people dislike them and prefer KDE, LXDE or something else and they all have the option to use these.
I wrote this as a reply to someone else but the thread just died and it fits here.
What is tracker-miner-fs? Why is it using so much of my processor? Can I, and is it wise to, get rid of it?
>>53914473
A couple of those are actually addressed in Windows 10. I haven't used any Windows after Windows 7 personally, but I tend to ask a few friends when they switch to new Windows releases if basic desktop feature have been implemented yet.
It took until 2015, but it does seem like Windows finally features multiple workspace (no idea whether the implementation is nice) and scrolling in unfocused windows.
>>53914486
that's a file indexer.
you can think of it as an equivalent of Windows Search (in the explorer)
if you don't need it, just remove the package.
albeit it's CPU usage should go down as soon as it finishes building it's database and after that it should behave in fairly civilised manner.
>>53914473
And yet I can watch YouTube videos without killing my battery life. But keep believing tiling support is the important thing to have.
Also most of these things are pure bullshit. Windows 10 has virtual desktops, overview, and far, far better HiDPI support than Linux. And people don't make me laugh saying that Windows has inconsistencies coming from Linux.
>>53914524
>far, far better HiDPI support than Linux.
no, not really.
gnome3's hidpi supports shits all over windows's one
i can't opinion on other des
Does anybody here use fresh GNOME with Intel graphics?
I'm using F23 (3.18) and clicking on the Activites button has this annoying delay, plus all animations are ~15-20fps (according to gnome-shell-perf-tool). Besides that, starting the terminal will sometimes take 5 seconds, and it feels like I could get better overall performance out of a 1999 computer.
Debian gnome (running 3.14, I think) is much faster, and starting up anything in Ubuntu is instantaneous.
I'm not really sure if recent gnome releases just suck or if it's a config problem with my intel driver on Fedora.
Any feedback on this? Is it slow for any of you, or is it hardware-specific?
Here's a command for those willing to try, it runs a graphics performance test three times and gives you some data (including the average fps).
gnome-shell-perf-tool --perf=core --perf-iters=3 --replace > gnome_test.txt
Thanks!
>>53914631
Intel HD4400, Sony Vaio 13 Ultrabook, Debian with Gnome 3.18.
TOTAL SHIT PERFORMANCE.------------------------------------------------------------.
# Time to switch to applications view, first time
applicationsShowTimeFirst 1328781, 1282320, 1297310
# Time to switch to applications view, second time
applicationsShowTimeSubsequent 959781, 959822, 950088
# Additional malloc'ed bytes the second time the overview is shown
leakedAfterOverview 4689872, 4770880, 4746000
# Frames rate when going to the overview, 10 alpha-transparent windows open
overviewFps10Alpha 30.490859276, 30.8171836616, 30.8146061233
# Frames rate when going to the overview, 10 maximized windows open
overviewFps10Maximized 30.9440134385, 31.3718460091, 31.0861040674
# Frames rate when going to the overview, 10 windows open
overviewFps10Windows 34.2685799957, 34.2177187902, 33.035327153
# Frames rate when going to the overview, 5 alpha-transparent windows open
overviewFps5Alpha 34.9587705, 36.2510019374, 34.4747343291
# Frames rate when going to the overview, 5 maximized windows open
overviewFps5Maximized 39.1599409468, 39.8222335494, 39.4947827392
# Frames rate when going to the overview, 5 windows open
overviewFps5Windows 45.3202701088, 46.0578654273, 47.0556026112
# Frame rate when going to the overview, first time
overviewFpsFirst 55.9779819937, 55.9380579239, 54.9133741523
# Frames rate when going to the overview, second time
overviewFpsSubsequent 56.670984456, 56.4793971228, 57.0429737317
# Time to first frame after triggering overview, first time
overviewLatencyFirst 90804, 90636, 86486
# Time to first frame after triggering overview, second time
overviewLatencySubsequent 45675, 44147, 46057
# Malloc'ed bytes after the overview is shown once
usedAfterOverview 55054176, 54960608, 55229680
------------------------------------------------------------
>>53906744
I'm on zsh. I would like to do something like this: sudo pacman -Rdd pattern-*. how to use wildcards to remove packages in zsh?
>>53914631
>Does anybody here use fresh GNOME with Intel graphics?
I do, but it's on a Core2Duo laptop, so to no one's surprise I have animations turned off.
>starting the terminal will sometimes take 5 seconds
Starts up with no noticeable slowdown here.
I ran the test for giggles and got 'None' on all FPS things. No surprises there given the lack of animations.
i remember using grub customizer or something to change boot order and stuff awhile back, but cant find it on the software center anymore. did it died? is there an alternative?
>>53914738
It still exist.
KDE made their own so now there are two.
>>53914524
Use a low mpv preset and tlp.
>>53914738
There's a PPA for it if you can't find it in the official repository.
https://launchpad.net/~danielrichter2007/+archive/ubuntu/grub-customizer
>>53914524
> And people don't make me laugh saying that Windows has inconsistencies coming from Linux.
>>53914499
the original comment was about windows 7 and i only added a proper because the implementation of workspaces in windows 10 just can't compare to GNOME 3.18+. i think they actually added non focused scrolling but there are no options to it. they also don't have proper window snapping with settings while xfce has like two different types with a few different gui settings.
if i have a package for amd64 and i386 at the same time, can i safely remove the i386 version of it? I am spacifically asking for these for dependency rosolving:
libdbus-1-3:i386
libgl1-mesa-glx:i386
libglu1-mesa:i386
libsystemd0:i386
libudev1:i386
libvdpau-va-gl1:i386
va-driver-all:i386
vdpau-driver-all:i386
vdpau-va-driver:i386
How can I set weechat or irssi to automatically save logs of all chats as a text file on my computer?
Is there a way I can download all pictures in a thread from the command line?
>>53914994
yes
>>53914944
The original comment in this quote chain says Windows 10, friend. I absolutely agree on the main point, though, I certainly do not wish to suffer desktop Windows any more than I already have.
>>53915001
How?
>>53914994
wget -r <THREADLINK>
Can you help me, bud.
>>53914989
>>53906744
So, I just started using linux, I feel like an idiot because I literally don't know shit about it and I'm using Mint because I thought it would be a good starting point.
So, I made a copy of a directory K and it's now named K(copy) and when I typed rm -rf ~/Pictures/K(copy) it gave me a syntax error near '(' so what's the deal whit that?
Also how can I make that copy from the terminal as I did it by hand?
>>53914976
Does something need the i386 version?
>libdbus
>libgl1-mesa-glx
Do you have Skype installed? Skype requires those and since there's no x86_64 version of Skype, chances are you will need those.
Just try removing them. I'm pretty sure that if something needed those, you wouldn't be able to remove it anyway.
>>53915006
>I wrote this as a reply to someone else but the thread just died and it fits here.
>>53914994
add this to bashrc and run it4chan() { wget -e robots=off -rHE -Di.4cdn.org -nc -nd -nv -Rs.jpg,html "$@"; }
read man wget if you are scared or just because wget is awesome.
>>53915015
Thanks. Is there a way to get this to be intermittent? Like, keep checking every five sec or so?
http://www.junauza.com/2008/08/recording-irc-chats-in-linux-with-irssi.html might help you out. I don't personally use irssi.
>>53915025
What does that folder contain?
>>53915027
only steam needs them but i want to remove it. thanks, i will report back.
>>53915025
You need to escape the parentheses with a backwards slash. Userm K\(copy\).
Is there a difference between alsa and pulse?
>>53915046
pictures
>>53915053
yes, ALSA is in the kernel anyway, pulse isn't. if you don't need pulse, don't use it.
>>53915053
Pulseaudio sits on top of ALSA and gives you extra features.
>>53915049
It doesn't report an error now but it doesn't remove the directory also so there's that.
Do you know how to make the copy through terminal?
>>53915049
>>53915080
actually rm -rf doesn't report a problem, rm reports that the folder doesn't exist
>>53915069
Not him but i had problems with pulse to change loudness according to the output jacks.
I have a weird problem with xdg-open. If I runxdg-open https://google.comin a terminal it opens up in firefox but if I do something in spacefm that uses xdg-open for an https page it just keeps trying causing loads of processes to do nothing. Why would it be doing something different than a terminal?
>>53915080
>doesn't remove the directory
What exactly did you type? Because it works for me.
For copying use "cp" with the "-r" switch to copy the subfiles and directories too.
>>53915099
>rm reports that the folder doesn't exist
rm does that for directories if you don't specify the -r switch. To remove a directory you can use rmdir.
>>53915102
Dunno, it works flawlessly for me. Detects new inputs when I plug in headphones, I can control volumes per application and there's a friendly GUI for all that (pavucontrol).
>>53915131
is it possible to control volume per output with it? what does pavucontrol have over alsamixer? can it be controlled completely from a keyboard?
>>53915112
>>53915131
I tried rm -rf ~/Pictures/K\(copy\) and it didn't throw an error but it didn't remove the folder also.
Then I tried rm ~/Pictures/K\(copy\) and it says that there is no such file or directory it does the same for rmdir
>>53915155
>is it possible to control volume per output with it?
I think it is. Picture related, but I can't test it because I only have this one output.
>what does pavucontrol have over alsamixer?
Pavucontrol is a GUI to control Pulseaudio levels. Alsamixer does the same for ALSA.
>can it be controlled completely from a keyboard?
Well, it's a GTK3 application, so you can navigate with "tab" and "shift+tab" between the buttons and sliders. If you want a CLI tool to change Pulseaudio levels and settings, there's pactl.
>>53915212
>>53915155
Forgot the pic.
>>53915164
You're either using a miraculously buggy version of the GNU coreutils (which provide the rm program), or there's a case of PEBCAK. I think it's the latter.
Okay, I installed ubuntu 16.04 beta 2 in vmware 11, installation was using easy install, now after installation I can not resize windowps aux|grep vmware
shows only
something -color-vmware
Install vmware button is greyed out.
There is an iso mounted autoinst.iso, I can access it with /media/username/CDROM/
there are upgra, upgra63 and upgrade.sh files + some folders.
When I try to run ./upgrade.sh, no permissions, with sudo ./upgrade.sh it says command not found.
I never had this kind of problem before.
Any ideas?
>>53908125
Where do you work and how much do you make/year?
Its funny, because always basement dweller are the first to argue about C master race over C# and stuff like js.
>>53915236
but isn't pactl CLI? alsamixer is a TUI and very functional, pavucontrol and alsamixergui are both pretty shit compared to alsamixer desu. is there some kind of TUI for pulseaudio or at least something like GNOME-ALSAmixer?
Currently running Ubuntu on an old XP piece of crap. Better RAM management is made me get it. Why is it even worth using though? Besides the "muh open source ", why would I use it over Windows?
>>53915279
>ubuntu
>old pc
get lubuntu or xubuntu, unity is pretty heavy. they have options you don't want to miss ever again.
I've been tooling around with trying to get cmus working with last.fm, but running:set status-display-program=~/.cmus/post-fmgivesError: no such option status-display-program
Am I doing anything wrong, and should I be using a different plugin?
Alright this is pretty fuckin annoying
I install Ubuntu 15.10 on my laptop, but everytime I put it to sleep, the screen won't work. I've tried using the nvidia drivers that are listed in the Additional Drivers, but that adds a whole bunch of screen tearing and flickering.
How can I solve this?
>>53915296
is xscreensaver installed?
>>53915164
You positive there isn't a space between K and (copy)?
>>53915279
If you don't see a reason to then don't use it.
>>53915317
Yeah saw it after a while, fuck me it works but it deletes the original and not the copy when I do
rm -rf ~/Pictures/K \(copy\) or rm -r.
>>53915308
Ran_xscreensaverand got back_arguments:comparguments:312: can only be called from completion function
So I'm guessing that it is.
>>53915373
go to your options and look at the settings of that. i think it's the culprit but i don't have your system.
>>53915272
I don't understand how alsamixer can be more functional than Pavucontrol when they basically do the same thing (presenting you sliders to change levels). If you mean in terms of how you control it, TUI/CLI/GUI, then I kind of understand your issues. Don't know if there's a TUI for Pulseaudio control, look on the internet.
You could always use pactl to create a simple one liner and then bind it to a keyboard shortcut to change things on the fly.
>>53915370
You need to escape the space too or quote the whole thing.rm -rf ~/Pictures/K\ \(copy\)
rm -rf "/home/you/Pictures/K (copy)"
I've been using arch for about 3 months, and it's been nice. Using it to do asignenents for university. It's been a learning experience, but I can get around it fine. I was wondering, what distro do people use in professional production environments? I assume Ubuntu/fedora? Should I switch if I plan on getting shit done?
>>53915416
Thank you very much.
>>53915164
Just for shits and grins; try using the direct path to your home directory, like /home/faggot/Pictures, instead of ~/Pictures.
>>53915241
Trysudo sh /media/username/CDROM/upgrade.sh
>>53915392
i found something like pacmixer but it's some weird obscure project by like one person, was last edited in november and is in pretty much no repository.
what i find functional about alsamixer is that everything can be done from a keyboard, the overview is great and it doesn't distract me.
>>53915519
As long as nothing drastically changed with Pulseaudio, it should sill work. Give it a try.
>and is in pretty much no repository.
Time to rev up those packaging skills and maintain your own package. It's not that hard and you can contribute something back if you publish it somewhere.
>>53915568
I'm not sure about contributing to something related to lennart poettering desu. especially if i don't know how long it will last.
maybe i will if i ever need some feature from pulseaudio and decide to switch to it again.
>>53915055
>of what?
>>53915431
Fedora is fairly standard. Plus getting experience with Red Hat is a good thing for production environments since it's the most popular distro for servers.
In June when the next Fedora comes out, should I upgrade my release or just do a clean install? Are fedora upgrades relatively clean?
>>53916127
>should I upgrade my release or just do a clean install
Personally, I avoid the new releases for a month or so before upgrading. It gives packages a chance to catch up.
>Are fedora upgrades relatively clean?
They are "relatively" clean.
HTML5 videos are unwatchable because of lag. Is there any way to make video playback smoother?
> OpenSuSE 13.2
> Firefox 45.0
>>53916281
"open with" plugin, mpv, youtube-dl