I thought Bernie was supposed to be educated on Technology...
http://www.cultofmac.com/421657/sanders-joins-trump-in-saying-apple-should-build-its-products-in-u-s/
>During an interview this week, Sanders was asked about Apple and said that, “I do wish they’d be manufacturing some of their devices, here, in the United States rather than in China.”
>Sanders also told the New York Daily News in his interview that he wishes Apple “would not [try] to avoid paying their fair share of taxes” — referencing the repeated accusations that Apple engages in tax avoidance schemes by moving its profits around the world thanks to its status as a multinational.
>>53896585
Trump + Bernie VP 2016. Hillary, Cruz and their respective establishments BTFO
>>53896585
What's wrong with what he said, I agree they should be manufactured in the U.S. as apple is a U.S. company after all.
>>53896585
Trump Sanders 2016, make communism great again
>>53896611
Bernie is a socialist. Donald is a nationalist. Combine them together and we get 4th Reich!!!
>>53896608
Are you fucking retarded? If we started manufacturing things in the US it'd make everything electronic go up in price by an extreme amount. That would lead to less sales which would hurt the economy.
Just because you're an uneducated hick who was too fucking stupid to go to college doesn't mean letting china take the no-skill labor is bad.
>Mfw watching /pol/ implode as they gradually realize Trump isn't winning
>>53896628
>whats a profit margin
>>53896651
>Thinks Apple is going to give up their profit margins if they were forced to build in the US
>>53896627
One fighting the political correction, one fighting inequality. That would not take the 4th reich. It even not be the worst ideia in the world.
>>53896628
Ah yes, keep sending money to china, can't wait until their middle class overshadows ours.
>>53896728
The only people hurt by jobs being sent to China are uneducated hicks. STEM majors aren't going away any time soon.
>>53896628
you're retarded
>>53896657
>forced
well using your own words if they are literally being forced into this, they yeah they'd sorta have to
>>53896690
national socialism. do you know who else was a national socialist???
but I agree, it wouldnt be a bad idea.
>>53896585
I guess Mr Sanders hasn't heard of the cutting-edge research conducted by David Ricardo.
>>53896740
And you're probably a Trump supporter.
>>53896755
Except they wouldn't. If the US Government tried to "force" them they would simply stop operating within the country. If you had a retard who doesn't understand foreign policy like Donald Trump, and he tried introducing (illegal) tariffs then you'd have a boycott by Apple which would lead to people being pissed off at the Government for not allowing Apple to do business in here.
The only people who are against outsourcing are people who never went to college and people who don't know shit about foreign policy.
>>53896758
Yeah fuck that. When i just got to 4chan, i imagine you guys being like libertarians. Fuck that socialism. Fuck that nacionalism.
I'm just saying, both of them would represent america better for what it is. Even if it is a monster.
>>53896585
Sounds in the spirit of "it'd be nice" and not "I WILL MAKE THEM BUILD IT HERE". Tax avoidance obviously needs to be prevented but expecting a company to pay much, much more for manufacturing is just crazy. It's like you want iPhones to cost $10 000.
>>53896762
wew lad.. free trade will net benefit most countries. but some of which will loose (lower exports -> lower wages -> lower living standard)..
you cant deny its not happening in USA and some other developed countries right now.
you need donald trump and smart trade.
>>53896786
>just because hitler made it popular doesnt mean its bad. I think national socialism is the best way to go for rich countries.
>>53896738
I wasn't talking about STEM majors.
>>53896780
This, sadly. Closing the grip will only scare them off and leave the economy slightly worse off. Then again fuck the US, just biding my time until I renounce my citizenship
>>53896802
>wanting to force out America's greatest company out because of niggers who didn't get any education
>>53896802
Why should some redneck who doesn't even know where Iraq is on a map be part of the middle class?
What you're doing is defining "middle class" by how much money they make instead of their worth to society. College educated people are both worthwhile to society and the economy and they make what's considered "middle class" salaries. They aren't affected by outsourcing because we need their skills. They simply can't be replaced.
Arguing that we should give Billy Bob Joe $60k to assemble iPhones means you're likely part of that uneducated group.
Let me guess, you support Trump too.
>>53896780
using another quote from the op.
> “I do wish they’d be manufacturing some of their devices"
>some
numbers game. all depends on how much could get away with 'forcing' them to produce here vs how much it would actually help the economy
>>53896866
>College educated people
I didnt know that starbucks pays more to college graduates.
>>53896628
Oh yes, we wouldn't want Apple to charge a premium for their products...
>>53896879
Any manufacturing done here will drive up their bottom line, which will cause prices to rise across the board.
It makes no economic sense to have high-pay no-skill labor here in the US.
>>53896885
You're never to old to go to college, anon.
>>53896895
What we have now would be nothing. Imagine if you had to pay $3000 for the entry level rMBP.
>>53896628
>That would lead to less sales which would hurt the economy.
Yeah, the Chinese one
>>53896904
''''''''bottom line'''''''''
Typical capitalist, profit over human life
>>53896932
Basic income is there for that. Forcing companies to hire overpriced idiots isn't the way.
>>53896628
>Are you retarded? If we started manufacturing things in the US it'd make everything electronic go up in price by an extreme amount.
China does not run on magic. You need raw material to produce goods in China, and the same raw material is needed in the US. You need to build factories and machinery for production in China, and in the USA. The main differences will be in safety compliance, and in employee compensation. In many cases, particularly when it comes to large-scale automated production, employee compensation is a trivial cost when compared to overall expenses. So costs will go up, since US factories are safer and US workers are paid more... but the cost will not go up by an extreme amount.
Example: Crucial manufactures RAM in the USA. Their prices are identical to everyone else.
>>53896904
>It makes no economic sense to have high-pay no-skill labor here in the US.
what about automatisation you freaking retard. all low skill laber could be easily automated, but its cheaper for them (as of now) to outsource it to asian countries.
>>53896904
>Any manufacturing done here will drive up their bottom line, which will cause prices to rise across the board.
i know on paper this is true but do you have examples of this happening. ive always been curious about this. ive never understood how some company could get away with profit margins they get away
>>53896793
Of course free trade will be bad for some people in the country, but on average it's always better. Further, the greater your trade partner's comparative advantage is in a specific area, the more it's going to cost you to block import. China has an extreme comparative advantage in the production of electronics. If Sanders tries to mandate that the production should be in the US instead, it's going to cost far, far more than the potential benefits of employing more American workers. And who's going to pay for that? Well, you are. The average American will be far worse off, since the cost of electronics will go through the roof.
>>53896952
Why would you want to do that though? Automatisation will only benefit Apple.
>>53896908
You realize there are tons of jobs here that are directly involved with Apple right? First you have the people who actually work at Apple such as HQ or even as low as retail. Apple would start cutting jobs because they were forced to manufacture here, along with a steep price hike on all of their products.
The less of their products being sold means the less money flowing though other retailers such as Best Buy, Amazon, etc.
>>53896932
Or you know, I'm just being sane here.
>>53896951
Crucial ASSEMBLES memory in the USA. There are no fabs left in the USA, those are all in Asia.
Raw prices are going to cost more here because China buys A LOT more of them than we do, which yields better prices, and a variety of other reasons such as higher transportation costs and higher wages across every worker who handles those materials from the mill to the assembly line.
>>53896952
Your point being? You can bet your ass if there was some magical reason that manufacturing had to be in the US that they'd switch to automation when they build their new plants.
>>53896971
Motorola tried assembling Moto X's in the US. It didn't last very long.
>>53896791
>Tax avoidance obviously needs to be prevented
Nitpicking: Tax *evasion* (where a company legally owes X dollars, and pays less than X) needs to be prevented. Tax *avoidance* (where a company structures its affairs so as to minimize the amount the law says they owe) is perfectly right and proper. It's something you probably do, if you contribute to a retirement plan or avoid shopping downtown because the sales tax is higher.
>>53896989
>There are no fabs left in the USA
This says otherwise:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants
Apple is making obscene profit margins AND avoiding paying their fair share which hurts the economy all this while outsourcing low skill labor to save a few penis on the economy that made them what they are. Apple can take the hit without raising any prices, faggot.
I have a better idea: How about they stop building products altogether?
>>53896973
so, where is the comparative advantage of US? what do you export to China?? Rice?
>>53896981
better automatisation in US than import from China. At least your energy companies will make some money of Apple's production line in the US.
>>53896989
my point is, free trade and open borders will balance out wages and prices all over the world. the wages in US will go down and the wages in china will go up. If you think thats a good idea, go ahead.
But he's right.
Replace chinese drones with robots. You make a few american jobs maintaining, designing etc the robots.
High quality jobs too, not minimum wage bullshit.
>>53896657
It isn't actually that much cheaper to build in china. It's just cheaper.
If you invest in robotic automation, you can build smartphones of a higher quality and for not much more cost. The investment cost is much higher since chinese people are disposable.
The irony really being that you'd get these robots built in china
>>53897038
It wouldn't help the idiots without a degree who vote Trump for MUH AMERICAN MANUFACTURING JOBS.
>>53897037
>so, where is the comparative advantage of US? what do you export to China?? Rice?
Well, there's skilled labor for example. Also yes the US is a major exporter of rice, but probably not to China.
>>53897018
So you're telling me Crucial fabs and assembles their RAM in the US?
>>53897037
Wages only go down for workers who have no valuable skills. The economy becomes stronger, so the net benefit of having some workers on lower wages is offset by the fact the economy is going strong.
>>53897048
>It isn't actually that much cheaper to build in china. It's just cheaper.
For $300 you can pay a Foxconn worker for a month WITH overtime. That same $300 will get you 40 hours of minimum wage pay in the USA, though you're crazy if you think Apple will be able to get anyone hired at those wages for a manufacturing position.
>>53897096
>So you're telling me Crucial fabs and assembles their RAM in the US?
You are free to read the source provided, or to continue basing your beliefs on your own personal fantasies.
>>53896585
Trump is a dirty fucking commie.
>>53897062
Well by strengthening the american middle class it would indirectly help them.
>>53897114
It's almost as if the majority of their fabs are in Asia. Weird. Those must be just for show.
>>53897133
Forgot my image.
>>53897096
>For $300 you can pay a Foxconn worker for a month WITH overtime. That same $300 will get you 40 hours of minimum wage pay in the USA, though you're crazy if you think Apple will be able to get anyone hired at those wages for a manufacturing position.
ROBOTS.
For one guy on twice minimum wage, he can run an entire factory of robots that would require 100s of chinese slaves to do the same work.
That's production that costs 50 times less to maintain.
However, the startup cost is MUCH higher, and that's my point.
Chinks are desperate to get you to use their slaves so they almost pay you to use their facilities.
Then they chink you out, reducing plastic thickness, using cheaper paints, inks and dyes, cutting corners until you complain, and when you complain they act like it's your fault.
Unless you're powerful enough to buy your own factory that is, but then suppliers will chink you too. Which is why apple owns everything in the supply chain, they don't get chinked so it's cost effective.
Anyway that's a diversion.
Robots dude
Robots are cheaper than ever since you can get chinese slaves to make them
>>53897073
China doesnt respect intellectual property. Chinese governemts put obstacles to US companies. US is just loosing in trade with them, look at your overall net exports.. second place doesnt even compete.
and this cant go on forever.
>>53897096
>Wages only go down for workers who have no valuable skills.
I disagree, whats up with all those college graduates working for starbucks in US. Dont you have the best colleges?? Why dont you employ those high skilled graduates then?
>>53897140
>>53897140
>Crucial manufactures RAM in the USA. Their prices are identical to everyone else.
>Crucial ASSEMBLES memory in the USA. There are no fabs left in the USA, those are all in Asia.
I see fabs in the USA, right there in the image you posted.
>>53897140
DRAM is made in USA, Japan and Taiwan.
Based Crucial. No (mainland) chinks in sight.
>Trump is anti-civil rights
>Sanders is against surveillance but wants the socialism cock
>Hillary is Hillary
I feel bad for you America. I really do. Whatever you do you can't win.
>>53897145
The cost of moving your manufacturing to the USA and then building automation into that is FAR greater than continuing to use Chinese workers.
Since they are now running a manufacturing plant in the US instead of hiring a Chinese contractor, they now have to pay for the upkeep as all sorts of taxes, so even in the most ideal situation switching to US based automation still costs more than using Foxconn.
>>53897171
Worthless degrees such as Gender Studies or Philosophy aren't worth anything to society. What practical knowledge do they give us? How are they supposed to benefit the economy?
If you're not an idiot you'll take a major that will be valuable to others. People with gender studies degrees are just as worthless and idiotic as someone with no degree.
>>53897178
You see one fab that actually makes any consumer products. You know why Crucial can keep their prices competitive? Because they use their Asian fabs for their RAM. I'd be surprised if they didn't also use Asian manufacturing contractors as well.
>>53897250
>You see one fab that actually makes any consumer products.
Weird. Must be just for show, eh?
>>53897262
You understand the difference between 10% of your products being manufactured in the USA and 100%. Playing dumb just to "win" still means you're acting dumb.
>>53897223
Vote Libertarian
Feel the Johnson 2016
>>53897288
>Playing dumb just to "win" still means you're acting dumb.
Indeed. And then there is this statement:
>If we started manufacturing things in the US it'd make everything electronic go up in price by an extreme amount.
>>53897372
People like Trump don't want a few manufacturing jobs back in the US, they want to force all of them to come back. Both Bernie and Trump has insane nativist stances on manufacturing that make no economic sense. So looking at it from your suggested perspective is silly.
>>53896628
Oh my fuckin god how can one person probably be that fuckin stupid?
>>53896989
>Apple would start cutting jobs because they were forced to manufacture here
Are you completely fuckin out of your mind pants on head retarded?
>THEY WOULD MANUFACTURE IN US, LESS US JOBS REQUIRED HURR DURR I'M A TOTAL FUCKIN IDIOT
>>53897403
>So looking at it from your suggested perspective is silly.
I have offered no opinion on the matter, just a few sourced facts.
>>53897403
>Caring for your own people does not make economic sense
"Free" Market cucks everyone
>>53897403
>Both Bernie and Trump has
*have
Trump speaks mostly about companies leaving US right now (like Ford, Carrier, the Oreo company, whatever its called).
They would like to produce in Mexico and sell in USA. Long term such policies will just depleat USA. Fuck Ricardo and his economics, it doesnt work out well for rich countries in long term.
>>53896738
>everyone must be STEM
What could possibly go wrong if everyone wants to do the same shit?
>>53897434
>Every highly regarded economist is "fuckin" stupid
>Every politician, corporate board member, and diplomats are also "fuckin" stupid
>>53897463
They'd almost certainly cull a few of their worse performing stores and maybe cut back on some backroom jobs such as Applecare workers. Moving to the US by itself would be incredible expensive, even for Apple. Having to pay high US taxes, hire workers for high wages and a slew of other things would make that already astronomical price go even higher, especially over time.
>>53897465
And your facts show that only 1 of their 7 fabs actually produces any consumer goods in the US.
Saying Crucial manufactures their RAM in the US is false, the truth being a small amount possibly is manufactured in the US.
>>53897505
I guess you missed where Trump said he wants to make Apple manufacture in the US.
http://www.cnet.com/news/trump-says-hell-force-apple-to-manufacture-in-the-us/
>>53897490
You seem to care about your people in the sense that you'd rather everyone were worse off than a few being worse off and a majority being better off. Free trade is better for the country as a whole. This has been known by economists since the 1800s.
>>53897548
You don't have to be STEM, but you should make sure your major actually has some worth to society.
>>53897490
What's more important? A strong US economy or no skilled workers having high paying jobs?
>>53896904
You realize the mark up on ipods/phones are like 200 to 400 dollars per device right?
>>53897551
I agree with him and Apple already manufactures in US.
http://www.cnet.com/news/a-us-made-mac-pro-is-a-token-gesture/
You have many low skilled workers and you need low skill jobs for them.
What else are you going to do about them? Pay them unemployment benefits?? Let them starve to death or become criminals??
>>53897568
>Justifying slavery for a sligthly cheaper (in the short run) iphone
Kill you're self
>>53897628
You realize Apple wants to keep high profit margins, right? Their entire business strategy is being identified as a luxury brand for people with money. They aren't going to start operating on razor thin budgets like other companies.
>>53897643
Yes, the Mac Pro. If you actually read the article.
>"Given the limited production volumes of the Mac Pro, and the overall cost, the 'Made in the USA' label gives them a good marketing piece, while making good business sense," said Andrew Rassweiler for research firm IHS who covers supply chains.
It makes no business sense to produce higher volume orders such as the iPhone or iPad in the US.
>>53897568
>Free trade is better for the country as a whole. This has been known by economists since the 1800s.
in models, which are flawed and dont reflect the complexity of the world.
>>53897599
> Rednecks should be poor because I don't like them
It's not only about rednecks, but I doubt that you autists will ever understands.
>>53897551
>They'd almost certainly cull a few of their worse performing stores and maybe cut back on some backroom jobs such as Applecare workers.
But they need a shitton of factory workerswhich are effectively a lot more than those few shitty store dudes you dumbfuck.
>make that already astronomical price go even higher, especially over time.
As if any idiot that buys apple crap would care about that.
>>53897680
>in models, which are flawed and dont reflect the complexity of the world.
It's weird how western economies have started to deteriorate the moment they embraced "free" trade with such wonderful and honest people like the chinese.
>>53897711
of course they wont, they've been brainwashed by flawed economic models.
if you gradually destroy the middle class, who will buy Apple products?
>>53897748
I agree, just compare the infrastructure of China and US. But tell this to retards believing in 19 century economics literature as if its a holy scripture.
>>53897711
No, it's about people who aren't college educated. And yes, they deserve to be poor because they have no value to society. Plenty of uneducated twats actually DO have value to society and they make plenty of money.
HVAC workers, plumbers, electricians, sanitation workers. Their jobs are rough, but they need to be done. Manufacturing in the US doesn't need to be done. We are still alive without it and in many ways thriving because of it. Intentionally sabotaging our own economy because you want to give stupid people high paying jobs is insane.
>>53897724
>But they need a shitton of factory workerswhich are effectively a lot more than those few shitty store dudes you dumbfuck.
In 2016? If Apple had to build a billion dollar plant somewhere in the US you realize it'd be as automated as possible right? They have the money to have the greatest automated manufacturing facility in the world and the costs would be far less over time than hiring no-skill workers. Maybe you'd get a few (very high paying) jobs to maintain the facility while losing a few thousand retail jobs.
>As if any idiot that buys apple crap would care about that.
They will care once they have to start paying higher prices on their iPhones and iPads.
>>53897646
Right, because any argument other than "they took our jerbs!" is to support slavery.
>>53897680
>in models, which are flawed and dont reflect the complexity of the world.
Right, because something that pretty much all economists in academia agree on is a flawed statement. You're of course free to claim "appeal to authority" as much as you want, but if you state something that disagrees with the general consensus of the experts of the field, then the burden of proof lies on you.
>>53897825
>No, it's about people who aren't college educated. And yes, they deserve to be poor because they have no value to society.
It's not only about rednecks you idiot.
>>53897832
all economics is based on models. its a social science you fucking retards. its not precise like physics or mathematics.
taken from wikipedia, valid criticisim on Ricardo's free trade:
"Robinson argued that Ricardo's example required that economies were in static equilibrium positions with full employment and that there could not be a trade deficit or a trade surplus. These conditions, she wrote, were not relevant to the real world. She also argued that Ricardo's theory did not take into account that some countries may be at different levels of development and that this raised the prospect of 'unequal exchange' which might hamper a country's development, as we saw in the case of Portugal."
>requires full employment
>requires same levels of development
and I'm pretty sure you could find more flaws, since its based on a MODEL of reality
>>53897832
>Right, because any argument other than "they took our jerbs!" is to support slavery.
What argument, you supreme autist?
I have never heard a convincing argument from a free market believer, except "it will be cheaper". Who cares if we destroy our entire society to have a cheaper gadget, right?
>>53897825
>They will care once they have to start paying higher prices on their iPhones and iPads.
They will show how much they care by continuing to buy Chinese-made goods.
Forcing Apple to manufacture their devices in the US would make them more expensive and thus more of a status symbol then they already are. The Chinese brands will win because they are cheaper full stop.
>>53897966
there would obviously be some sort of import tax on the chines brands. how else do you think could Trump force companies to produce in US? With angry phone calls??
>>53896628
Wow, what a fucking retard. We need industry in the US, we can't let every other country pull the strings. Are you really that fucking dense? Or are you just a 9/10 troll?
I sincerely hope you're trolling. I fear for your IQ if you aren't.
>>53898029
Yeah because Juche works out so well in North Korea
>>53897914
I don't understand what your argument is. Economics is stupid, and even the most accepted theories are imprecise, therefore we should do the exact opposite of what almost all economists believe because, well, it will definitely benefit American workers?
Mandating where Apple should produce their products will result in a net loss for most Americans and for America's economy as a whole. Ask any economist and that's what >99% of them will tell you. If you're proposing something else, fine, but don't pretend like there's some overwhelming evidence supporting your thesis.
>>53898140
no, you should do what common sense tells you. If you think your country will benefit from outsourcing all your jobs to other countries, be my guest.
I dont even live in US, so I could care less. I am only a Trump supporter because he is outspoke against muslim and 3rd world immigration into Europe. I am obviously not retarded enough to believe that mass immigration will improve my job prospects and that I should pay taxes for social expenses for immigrants.
>>53897966
>Forcing Apple to manufacture their devices in the US would make them more expensive and thus more of a status symbol then they already are. The Chinese brands will win because they are cheaper full stop.
That's what I've been saying the entire time you dunce.
>>53898029
Learn foreign policy some time. Just because some high school graduate can no longer make $80k a year easily doesn't mean our economy is shit. Our economy is stronger than it has EVER been. Think about that.
>>53898029
You can't afford it, retard.
If you pay your firstworlder wages for making cheap shit iphones will cost like cars.
Or you decrease your own quality of life by like a lot and become great again like China.
>>53898826
we already spoke about automatisation..
but whats the alternative? outsource all jobs and pay social benefits to your citizens??
basic income when?
>>53898851
And we already talked about how switching to automation still would be more expensive than simply sticking with China
>>53898886
more expensive for the company (at least in short term), beneficial for the country.
Can /pol/fags please stay in their containment board? Thanks.
>>53898901
>more expensive for the company (at least in short term)
The land for the plant, the building of the plant itself, the building and design of the automated assembly line, the extra cost of shipping chips and other materials from fabs in Asia to the US, the costs of maintaining the new plant, etc.
It will have massive upfront costs, disrupt production which also leads to higher prices for the consumer as well as long term costs from upkeep, higher taxes, shipping for materials from Asia, etc.
>>53898924
why, scared of a debate?? have no valid counter arguments except, prices will go up.. Ricardo...my economics literature told me so?
>>53896585
How else is he supposed to get money for all that free shit he's promising? If he can't get money out of Apple then he's fucked.
>>53898924
>Apple economics is now /pol/
>>53898956
>the extra cost of shipping chips and other materials from fabs in Asia to the US
they will save on shipment of final product to US
>The land for the plant, the building of the plant itself
long term investment which wont affect the price at all
>the costs of maintaining the new plant, etc.
same costs applies for chinese plants too.
>higher prices for the consumer as well as long term costs from upkeep, higher taxes, shipping for materials from Asia, etc.
now you just repeated the previous arguments and added "higher taxes". Which makes no sense, what higher taxes? Also, Trump already announced he'll lover coroprate taxes. Dont know about Sanders.
>>53896585
This endorsement of manufacturing/industry in US instead of China is one of the main reasons I support trump but I wouldn't turn to sanders still with how cucked he is.
>>53898967
>scared of a debate?
Maybe you should ask your fellow shitposters on /pol/, who do nothing but post logical fallacies and ad hominems when faced with an opposing view. Now kindly fuck off back to your containment board.
>>53896628
I hope you know a huge part of the price to produce iPhone is really just parts and not the assembly they do in China
>>53899058
>who do nothing but post logical fallacies and ad hominems when faced with an opposing view.
you mean, like you just did?
>>53899058
Not him but you're doing exactly what you're complaining /pol/ does. What part of this thread is even "/pol/" to you?
>>53897145
This is the kind of shit that has most windows laptops cheap shit or keyboards ABS instead of PBT
>lol fuck the poor people in my country, I want the cheapest possible trinkets
>it's not my fault they're not hedge fund managers
This is why decent people despise libertarian spergs.
>>53897951
Nobody is entitled to a job you commie cuck
>>53899117
>WAAAAAAH EVERYONE ELSE NEEDS TO PAY FOR THE FACT I'M POOR
Apple made it's stunning success on stupid people who uses iphones. If there was more clever people, they didn't buy iphones.
>>53899142
What makes buying an Android phone any more "clever" than buying any other phone, including iPhones? If you're going to talk about the most intelligent people, then why not look at the people who don't carry around a device that is tracking them?
>>53899076
>>53899081
I'm not ITT to debate. I haven't posted any arguments ITT nor am I trying to. I just opened the thread, read through it, and realized it was another /pol/ shitpostfest.
>>53899126
are you saying US citizen should compete with chinese and indians for jobs?
would you be able to live on $5 per day like they do? dont be naive.
>>53899183
I wasn't debating with you dumbass, I asked you which parts of the thread are /pol/.
>>53899138
Everyone else already is paying for poor people. The fact is there are a lot of people that are not really capable of doing much more than pouring soft drinks and assembling sandwiches. They can either go on the dole or be made useful to society in some way.
>>53899142
>If there was more clever people, they didn't buy iphones.
>>53899233
>Wasting money to give them a paying job when it only serves to hurt the economy
>>53896758
lol Bernie's not really a socialist, he's a social democrat, but he calls himself socialist for some reason
and for the love of God, nationalism + socialism != being a nazi
have you guys never heard of the Night of the Long Knives?
>>53896585
What is with this goddamn "fair share" meme
This isn't 2nd grade
>>53896585
>educated on Technology.
you're such a goddamn dimwit you know that?
i mean there's nothing inherently wrong with what you said but i can tell you're not very bright
>>53896800
Sick as fuck dubs of truth
>>53897791
China's new middle class will buy them.
>>53896657
Hi, sorry to dispel that myth, but most products would retain profit margins if built in the west as opposed to china. The only costs that would put a dent in a large company's wallet is shipping embargoes (which are still applicable to China) and tax rebates offered to the company by the Chinese government to do the assembly there instead of elsewhere.
Apple doesn't pay the people who assemble products at FoxConn, that's their business. Apple still wouldn't have to pay people who assemble here, they'd just pay one large lump sum to the manufacturer who would factor employee pay into the cost.
Apple could easily just marginalize any lost profits by discontinuing a model or two. Get rid of the 11 inch MBA and the 16 GB iPhones and iPods, and they're still going to sell equally as well. They just wont be able to do stupid shit pr stunts like building a fucking single use auditorium attachment to a venue for a dev conference.
>>53899988
>children discussing business and economics
The U.S needs to do something about producing in China, like if a U.S company decides to do that they need to pay increased tax.
The U.S builds quality products, shit that the chinese can not match.
>>53896628
American goods can be cheaper at times that from other places.
Why are people shitting on this post >>53896628
?
What anon said is universally accepted among economists. It seems people on /g/ have never read economics and cannot grasp the concept of comparative advantage.
>>53900008
But everything I said is true. My claimwas that profit margins wouldn't change and that's totally correct.
Profit margins wouldn't change. Manufacturing and shipping costs would by a small margin. A US manufacturer would simply hire less people and take additional time to deliver the same supply. Backorders aren't really that big of an issue.
>>53900118
economists are all corporativist shills
source: i'm one
>>53896585
You don't even need to be educated in technology to know this is a bad idea, just basic economics.
It's cheaper to manufacture in Asia than here. If they are forced to make their products here, who is going to pay all the extra money? The consumers.
If they want companies like Apple to make their products here, they need to give them more incentives like less tax.
>>53899361
National socialism is called socialism because it had Social Democratic Principles such as welfare state,social security,etc weaved into it.Although as Kaiser said they adopted them so that Communist revolution wont happen.
Nationalsim+Socialism=Too many examples.Stalinism,National Bolshevism,etc..
Bernie is neither a Socialist nor a Social Democrat.He's just a Keynasian Capitalist.
>>53900168
The consumers won't have to pay more.
Apple just pays a smaller manufacturer, and they have backorders on production. When the manufacturer goes bankrupt, Apple buys them out and rinse repeat until they have inhouse production.
>>53897571
but muh feminist dance theory degree
>>53900302
It costs more to manufacture in the US, period. Higher wage for workers, higher taxes etc. That's why the US has to offer incentives like lowering business tax. We have one of the highest business taxes in the world and are ranked like 18th best country to do business in.
>>53900118
>manufacture iFag devices in the US
>iFaggots buy them anyways even if the prices fucktuple
There are literally no issues.
>>53899868
this is true, but whats in it for your country though?
>>53900008
nice arguments, you surely showed us
>>53900159
well, those who arent would get any jobs
>>53900430
Plenty of arguments were presented in this thread, going further is the job of your HS teacher.
>>53900552
what, the Ricardo free trade argument?? The high investment costs? The "transport cost" argument??
well, all of those have been dismantled.
>>53897353
Fuck that, voting John Mcafee
>>53900223
>missing the point of NatSoc forcing businesses only to take actions that benefit the nation and its workers.
>>53900838
>missing the point that the NatSoc movement was funded and controlled by the big german corporations like BMW and Mercedes which profited from the war and actively encouraged it
