I'm so fucking done with Linux. The UI is horribly dated, looking like some windows 98 shit and no professional software for this garbage exists.
>inb4 GIMP instead of photoshop
who unironically uses that garbage? Its super unintuitive compared to adobe photoshop. And recompiling the fucking kernel to do audio work? Are you out of your mind? I want to produce audio, not know how to fucking program my OS.
You weeabo fags disgust me. Get the fuck out of here.
This is why it will never be "year of the Linux desktop"
People who use Linux are just looking for some sort of fulfillment in their dull lives.
Gimp is free software. This means that you have the authority to make it perfect. Fuck off if you're too lazy to do that.
>>53836409
>>53836424
Thanks for sharing
>>53836432
>graphic designers should be programmers too
This is exactly the reason linux is a fucking joke
>use desktop environment specifically designed to be like older versions of GNOME
>golly gee guys how come ese pixels aren't as cutting edge as my Microshaft Wangblows 10 Integrated Advertisements OS?
OP is a fag.
>>53836409
>I'm fucking retarded and thought Linux would be better suited for me even though Windows does the job well enough.
Why did you make this thread again?
>>53836452
>implying any of the other DE's are nearly as polished as OSX or Windows
>troll threads
>>53836409
>the UI is horribly outdated
stopped reading
you've prolly never used linux
>>53836445
That's a strawman argument. I'm not asking graphic designers to become programmers. I'm asking graphic designers to get their software fixed as they need it - to take responsibility over themselves. If you believe that graphic designers need programming skill to make this happen, then you are sorely confused.
>People in this b8 thread replying to OP seriously
>>53836432
>they do it for free
Linux users everyone
>>53836523
Cool story bro
>>53836409
Alright then.
I love how buttmad these GNU/Cucks get when you start shitting on their beloved "OS" lmao
Remain upset, freefags
>>53836409
gimp may be poorly designed, but krita and darktable can do everything photoship can while having better "aesthetics" and the added bonus of being free (unlike photoshop)
>>53836409
Every time I open this board there are at least 3 Linux hate threads on the front page. Just fuck off Microsoft.
I use a free OS because its both free and not stealing. I've got no problems with pirating software but it doesn't make sense to use pirated software when a free alternative exists.
All the free OS's I've used have some serious driver compatibility issues though.
>>53836409
we have a lot of anti-linux bait threads per day and the arguments against linux are generally so weak that sometimes i think that they're actually made by linux users to promote linux and break common myths in the process.
>>53836409
If your linux looks like it's Windows 98 then you're an autist. Besides the redshift-gtk icon in the top right, this has a way more uniform, consistent, and modern look than any Windows OS out there right now.
>>53836409
>>53836768
Windows 10 is a mess as far as consistency goes. Pretty sure they had 50 teams all designing different parts of the OS, and they only had some indian dude who doesn't even speak english running messages between them.
>I'm so fucking done with Linux
OK
>The UI is horribly dated, looking like some windows 98 shit and no professional software for this garbage exists.
You jumped the shark. Learn more about Linux before making an ass out of yourself.
>who unironically uses that garbage?
Who unironically pays monthly fees to use Photoshop?
>And recompiling the fucking kernel to do audio work?
Again you jumped the shark. Why do you think you need to recompile the kernel to do audio work?
It's sounds like you spent less than a week with an operating system wholly different from Windows and got upset the first time you hit a brick wall. Instead of reading some more on the subject, you chose to come to /g/ and make a fool out of yourself.
>>53836768
>gnome
>>53836882
>jumped the shark
>twice
>>53836409
photoshop can be installed if you really need it btw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqgugAj69xw
lurk moar
>>53836955
>being this autistic
>>53836409
Holy shit, that looks awful, OP. Truly the work of amateurs and hobbyist devs.
>>53836675
>all free OSs have driver issues
>why would I pirate windows when there are free OSs
you answered your question.
>>53836438
Yeah, it's getting tedious now.
Well adjusted people don't have the need to hate on stuff other people like, they just get on with doing what works for them.
It's like the whole homophobia thing - it seems that these Linux haters are internally conflicted.
>>53837287
depends on the hardware, on most computers i have installed ubuntu it has worked fine so at least for me i don't have any need to pirate, in fact i'd choose linux over windows even if windows were completely cost-free.
>>53836415
>k
This deliberate self-serving patronizing one-letter response is 10x worse than ironic shitposting. These passive aggressive tactics shall stain in the cesspools of mainstream social networking, thank you very much.
>>53836424
>People who use Linux are just looking for some sort of fulfillment in their dull lives.
Only some people. And yes, they exist. They definitely exist in /g/. But others use it as a hobby OS or for work. One of it's greatest flaws is it's greatest assets.
Want a "year of the Linux desktop"? Have a company work on a distribution and put the same amount of effort into the UI as Microsoft or Apple does. You need money, else you end up with a desktop where the panel is developed on an IRC channel by nerds who maintain a dead fork of it and services developed by a server company. Most desktops on loonix are literally hacking together shit and gold and calling it a desktop. It's atrocious and that's why you feel like you're using a desktop that China could've developed.
>>53836432
>you have the authority to make it perfect. Fuck off if you're too lazy to do that.
You're a true rusemaster if you're calling another person "lazy" for not cracking open the source code for Gimp and fixing their problems (I'd consider them usability problems, since I consider usability to be a measurable category).
>>53836409
What's the alternative to linux?
Windows is objectively garbage.
OS X? Don't get me wrong, I like OS X well enough, it is my primary OS right now, but Apple has knee capped themselves with their selection. No server to speak of, no workstation, not even a decent desktop. All they have are (admittedly BASED) laptops, laptops crammed into little tiny desktop cases, laptops built into large screens, and that retarded trash can maymay computer.
Linux is literally the only alternative if you want a powerful desktop, workstation, server, cluster, supercomputer. And there totally is professional software for linux, just probably not anything you'd use. If you like doing geophysics though, linux is the business lol, having moved on from Sun and before that SGI. Also plenty of 3D shit on linux (Maya et al).
I do feel you about the shitty, inconsistent UIs though.
>>53836500
No, but it's easy to see where he's confused. Your statement is just as ridiculous, since you're telling him to literally fix Gimp's source code and that he should "take responsibility" for it. This is, after all, your response to someone criticizing Gimp. It's like telling a man to fix the Eiffel Tower himself if he doesn't like it. It's meaningless. I could even call it a shitpost, since there is no purpose "go fix Gimp if you don't like it" serve other than to lead people to create these assumptions about why you said it. Do you think people shouldn't criticize unless they're willing to do the actual man hours to fix the very thing they're criticizing? Do you want graphic designers to become programmers? Who knows, all we know is that you believe not spending the man hours to transform Gimp is lazy.
>>53837442
You could have used the time it took to shitpost to fix GIMP, but here you are wasting it.
>>53837392
Well, you're almost right. Desktop Environments all made by one group with a singular vision usually work internally much better, but you don't get the same kind of visual fragmentation as you do even in windows like >>53836818 pointed out. As long as your stuff is all based around one toolkit, everything you do will have a unified look to it. But when that does break down by using something that doesn't respect it (like Chrome and Chromium) then it sticks out like a sore thumb that much more. On Windows people come to expect visual inconsistency so they don't even notice.
>>53837442
>It's like telling a man to fix the Eiffel Tower himself if he doesn't like it.
No, it's more like telling someone with a giant box of Legos to change their Lego model of the Eiffel Tower if they don't like the outcome.
> Do you think people shouldn't criticize unless they're willing to do the actual man hours to fix the very thing they're criticizing?
When that thing is open source software then yes. Fix it, pay someone else to, report bugs in a constructive manner, or shut up.
>Do you want graphic designers to become programmers?
It might help. Graphic designers who can't program are the bane of modern software, especially on the web.
>>53837422
Linux (as long as you're staying within one toolkit) is way more visually consistent than Windows. Check out the image I posted here:
>>53836818
If all your applications use GTK, then all of them will look the same. But if you bring some native X crap or something like Google Chrome or something built for Qt, then those will look totally different from your GTK stuff. But most Qt stuff has a GTK alternative, and vice versa. You're out of luck if you want Google Chrome to match the rest of your computer though.
>>53836409
>no professional software for this garbage exists.
Ironically there is tons of professional software for linux, you simply do not know about it because you are not a professional but rather a consumer.
What you are noticing is not a lack of professional software, for there is plenty of that, but rather a lack of consumer software.
>>53837507
I'm not saying it isn't better than windows, in my post I outright dismissed windows are complete shit and not worth even speaking of.
>>53836409
>Dated
>>53837520
Yeah, I get what you're saying, just pointing out that as far as consistent UIs go, Linux loses only narrowly to OS X.
>>53837570
Are you trying to prove his point?
>>53837593
Not at all
>>53837614
Well you are.
>>53837570
>look all these pics I've made with characters hurr duur
>>53837491
>Graphic designers who can't program are the bane of modern software, especially on the web.
kind of like people who drive cars but can't replace their own head gasket or mount their own tires at home?
Its simple. Linux really should be used for servers or data processing. That's it. If you want a daily machine to plug away at, then use Windows.
The UI is dated because the primary userbase is businesspeople, programmers, and sysadmins. Those people prefer things that work and only adopt new functionality, not new style. Well, I'm not saying they're aesthetic luddites, but "advances" in UI design are consumer oriented. They're made to make the UI dazzling, distracting, like fucking times square, so the users focus darts around more to things like built in ads. You see this "modern" design in smartphones and windows, but the UIs on linux and OS X are very plain and gray. A linux user that's constantly told that OS X is amazing will almost always be unimpressed and say "wtf its like i never left" (until they encounter finder's (lack of) functionality) and vice versa.
The lack of "professional software" is due to the lack of those specific "professionals" (worthless paper pushers and doodle drones who are the first on the chopping block of automation) and the dominance of other breeds of yuppie (the second on the block)
>>53836470
OS X's boring professional UI is so polished that toolbar hiding is inconsistent between and within applications and expose doesn't work until you move the mouse
As linux users often remark, "it's like i never left/this isn't worth the money"
>>53838049
more like people who think they're hobby mechanics but actually create inefficient and unsafe rice cars with spoilers that are prone to flying off in highway traffic
>BUT ITS FUCKING MODERN U FAGS
>ENJOY UR FUCKING LAMEO SEDAN MY CAR HAS USER EXPERIENCE CHECK MY 500LB OF SUBS
web devs are a lot like arch linux+vim+tiling wm+c users
>>53837392
>hobby OS
you just admitted its a hobby, which is something used to:
>fulfill a dull life
Congratulations! Your autism level is now Level 9!
+20 Shilling
-50 intelligence
-100 reason
>>53836409
>super unintuitive
maybe it's not made for babies, but for people who have a job?
>>53838151
There are no jobs that do not need word, excel, outlook, and photoshop. None. I am a very handsome and well dressed white alpha male. Don't question me. My name is chad.
>>53836409
It was around 2005 when I came to the same conclusion and bought a Mac and never returned. I was the most Linux wannabe-hacker back then with my FVWMs and character-based desktops and all. It's fun to compile your kernel all nights when you're 15 but if you really have work to be done there is no better than OS X. The BSD backend is anyway there for your open-source rarities, efficient command-line tools and SSH clients.
>>53837998
Nobody is this stupid.
>>53837570
Are you a CS professor?
>>53838220
>2005
Linux.
Linux never changes.
>>53836409
The OP declares the whole thing garbage just because he can't learn a different user interface
>>53837442
You're confused. This is software that's being discussed. If you happen to bring up the Eiffel tower as an example that needs fixing, you have no idea about the issue here. Software is not hardware and should not be conflated as such.
>>53838240
you are.
>>53836424
Thanks for sharing
>>53837442
I actually believe that having the authority to fix the Gimp while simultaneously whining that other people won't fix it is a form of entitlement. Nobody owes you anything if you haven't paid them to work for you.
This is why I have VMware with windows 7
>>53838308
I have used Linux every now and then after that but my main use is on a Mac. I think Ubuntu and its derivatives made a great progress in popularizing Linux use but I can't help the feeling that whenever I want to do something new like install a new device or compile a program from scratch I need the whole night to accomplish that because something more complex always turns out. And I just don't want to spend my time to hack and wack.
>>53836438
We had this thread every day, every week, every month, ever year.
>>53838487
> linux users knows
>>53836409
>And recompiling the fucking kernel to do audio work? Are you out of your mind? I want to produce audio, not know how to fucking program my OS.
Typing make into a terminal isn't programming your OS, dipshit.
You get an entire OS for free with no strings attached that respects your freedom and doesn't spy on you and all you can do is bitch and complain?
Fuck off.
>>53836955
Drake doesn't need to convert to judaism, he is already a jew.
>>53836409
>The UI is horribly dated
You mean the terminal?
>>53838134
it was just an example to show the elitist that the unwashed use technology they have no idea to its basic functions outside of computers too, and that its spurious to expect otherwise
>>53836409
>>53836424
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>>53836445
>>53836487
>>53836523
>>53836595
>>53836706
>>53836768
>>53837335
>>53837342
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>>53837577
>>53838073
>>53838113
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>>53838487
I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!
>>53838605
wat
>>53836409
Stay mad faggot
WHY THE FUCK DO SO MANY PEOPLE ON /g/ EDIT PHOTOS WITH PROFESSIONAL SOFTWARE. JUST USE PAINT IF YOU'RE ON WINDOWS AND WHATEVER IS DEFAULT ON LINUX. JESUS FUCK
>>53838660
wat
>>53838650
Fucking newb get out reeeee etc
ITT: GIMP is Linux
Also this
>>53838474
and btw you could install Photoshop in Linux anyway so this thread is just one of the daily shilling threads.
>>53838605
This post is a good example why I don't want to relate to Linux enthusiasts. Oops sorry, GNU/Linux enthusiasts. These people really think they are rebellious hackerz with special skillz for not using Windows. I bet you don't even write your own drivers.
>>53838605
I'd just like to interject for a moment.
ur a faget. XDDD
>>53838660
People pirate the large name software and then don't know hot to use anything else.
>>53838169
>Don't question me. My name is chad.
But is it really?
>>53836409
>And recompiling the fucking kernel to do audio work? Are you out of your mind? I want to produce audio, not know how to fucking program my OS.
Did you install Gentoo or something?
>>53838694
That post is a good example of why you shouldn't take /g/ seriously. It's full of autists.
>>53838716
agreed
>>53836409
>Its super unintuitive compared to adobe photoshop.
TELL ME HOW TO MAKE A GUIDEINE IN PHOTOSHOP FOR FUCK SAKES.
Every fucker bitches that GIMP is harder to use, but if you just want to predict the angle at which a line will be drawn using the pen tool. (click one point, hold shift, move mouse, click another point, line is created between two points) in photoshop you have to do it blind.
there's no fucking way Adobe was dumb enough to expect you to do it blind, or go through the tedium of using a specific tool for each line instead of just clicking multiple times.
So: Where the fuck is my guideline.
I know this might just be some troll thread since it happens every day but so many times I see the same Windows users that criticize OS X for being locked down criticize Linux for not giving them perfection out of the box.
>>53838716
I hear for more professional audio work it's better to have a kernel with settings optimized for it. But there are distros that provide such a kernel and it's not a requirement.
>>53836409
you had no reason to use Linux in the first place
Just go buy a macbook already
>>53836470
Cinnamon is polished as fuck and quite confy
>>53836675
I use arch on my inspiron 17r se and no driver issues whatsoever
>>53837392
k den
>>>/paidmsshills/
don't reply
ignore
>>53838694
it's a copypasta you fucking moron
>dated design
The round design of the wheel is dated too, let's redesign that
>>53836409
>I want to produce audio, not know how to fucking program my OS.
THEN WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN DOING ON /G/ IF YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED IN THIS SHIT
GET THE FUCK OUT
>>53836579
>they don't Crack every software they use
I payed for an expensive computer precisely because all the software will be free
I like Linux but I am constantly disgusted by the piteous UI design. Even the "flat" themes or DEs such as Numix and KDE5 look like fucking dog shit - like some Deviantart-tier amateur's idea of modern design.
I'm looking forward to Lubuntu finally switching to LXQt so I can stare at a 5/10 UI instead of a 0/10 UI.
>>53839081
I use free software because I want to control my computer. It's impossible to control your own computer whenever you choose non-free software.
>>53839089
>DEs such as Numix
Autism speaks
Are you listening
>>53839089
What do you from your UI design? Do you want a black screen with white text on it?
>>53839133
>Even the "flat" themes or DEs such as Numix and KDE5
Learn how to read nigger.
>>53839089
Then what is your idea of a perfect UI design?
If you say Windows 10, then your argument is immediately voided.
>>53836409
lol
see ya
>>53839089
What is better?
I mean, I've used windows since I was a kid and still use it daily, but the thing I noticed first when I started using Linux is just how easy it is to make it look okay compared to something like Windows.
>>53839156
Something that's consistent and professional looking. Like OSX. Except with less of the bloat and white shit.
I should've also mentioned that there's one DE that looks good - Ubuntu default. It's no coincidence that it's designed by professionals.
Amateurs can't design UI for shit.
>>53839156
Of course
>using a bloated GUI
>>53839197
>the worst DE in pretty much all of Linux you consider the good one
Opinion discarded.
>>53839182
You rice gnu/linux according to your tastes.
>>53839106
>being this kind of control freak
For what purpose? I mean unless you are developing software what is the purpose of "being in control" of it? I'm not saying you should install windows 10 and hand all your information to Microshill but I think the main point of any tool (in this kind computers and software) should be the efficiency, I mean you don't see carpenters building their fucking nails and hammers
>>53839223
Show me a UI that looks better than Ubuntu default. If your answer is some Deviantart garbage like Numix or non-UI trash like i3wm, refrain from posting.
>>53839234
My computer should obey me and me alone. My computer shouldn't be obeying the orders of the company that I bought it from. With non-free software, I am choosing to let the owner of the software control my computer. If you trust them, then it's fantastic but I am not allowed to do things that I want to do on my own computer. The way non-free software works is that you have to ask permission from the owner of the software to get it changed whenever you need it done.
>>53836432
>Fuck off if you're too lazy to do that.
Anon I admire your skills when I come sometimes to /g/, but normal people don't have time for this. Do you hunt your meat in the forest or do you buy it from the store?
>>53839231
Exactly. I mean, I mean, I think your thing looks pretty awful as well, but compared to ricing in Windows, Linux usually just end up looking so much better, and is way easier.
El Captian just looks kinda cheap to me. Like a lowly rated theme on "GNOME-Look" or something.
>>53839260
Even fucking default Gnome looks better. At least there you can get rid of the fucking side bar.
>>53839310
Gnome looks like something from 2003. Try again.
>>53839284
What you usually do with your computer anon?
>>53839334
Nah I'm good.
>>53839306
Software requirements change all the time. Software that was perfect in one situation may be outdated for that specific role in a later time. Well if someone today says, "I can't use Gimp because it's missing X Y Z", somebody has to take the time to write those features in. Software doesn't just pop up the next day, it exists today because somebody took the time to write it last week.
>>53839345
Btfo retard.
>>53839363
Kill yourself retard.
>>53839337
Shitpost on the Internet and make image macros.
I'm using Xubuntu right now, mostly defaults with some tweaks. It's not the most gorgeous thing ever but it's consistent and acceptable. If I'm using some other computer I might notice something that's ugly but it won't bother me as much as a lacking functionality I'm used to.
I do have some standard for aesthetic but do you all stare at your desktops and WM themes or something?
>>53839369
>>53839334
>>53836409 (OP)
>>53836424
>>53836500
>>53837255
>>53838694
>>53839089
>>53839197
Samefage (comfirmed). It's okay that you hate Linux this much but I'm worried about you, anon. Do you have something more productive you can do?
LXDE is butt-ugly but I can't complain when I'm using a 2006 laptop that would shit the bed on anything higher.
My only real complaint is the total lack of any UI reaction. The minimize/maximize/close buttons don't light up when you hover your mouse over them, and all sorts of other shit like that. It's really nasty and makes the UI feel like a 0.50c Chinese knock-off of itself.
>DEs
Y'all niggas don't know about the beauty of i3+dmenu
>I do have some standard for aesthetic but do you all stare at your desktops and WM themes or something?
I'd imagine it's because a lot of people don't really use their computer for stuff other than simple thing like facebook, games and they occasional photoshopping, since they don't really have much use for other stuff "behind the scenes", how it looks becomes a big focus, rather than usability, because that's the biggest change they will come across, knowing the system and why it's good requires actual knowledge of things, so instead people just default to "if it looks good it must be good".
While on the other spectrum, we have >>53839438, people who generally know the system and use it, so they forgo graphics in favor of usability and workflow.
>>53836409
Not your personal blog
>>53839200
>curses/termcap/terminfo isn't fucking harmful as shit
>emulating character cell terminals isn't fucking harmful as shit
lrn2plan9
>Using Windows for other than gaming
>Using Linux for other than boasting on the internet how special I am
>Using OS X for other than everything else
>>53839525
>Using Linux for other than boasting on the internet how special I am
I find Linux to be a better platform for programming
>>53839231
Applcan theme?
ncmpcpp visualizer? pls?
>>53839378
Ayyyy
>>53838605
I think you mean NT/Linux, free yard faggot.
Microsoft taking the reigns over Linux was the best thing that could happen to it
>>53839438
dmenu is too basic for me.
I have made scripts so it will show my recent applications first, but it still only searches the name of the application rather than the metadata from the desktop file.
This means it can't be used for searching that well as I might launch a daemon as a graphical application and I can't tell directly from dmenu which is which.
I made a plugin for a calculator, so I can get some basic calculations in dmenu, but I don't get instant results like in eg krunner, so it just takes more time as you have to run it multiple times to get the calculations.
I wish it could be an alternative to krunner, but it isn't.
>>53837507
but you can "use GTK+ theme" with your chrome
>>53836409
there is literally nothing wrong with win 98 faggot op
I can't even get Ubuntu to install...ive checked the disc ( USB) for errors and it reports 2. It reported 2 errors on the xubuntu Disc as well. When I try to install it it freeze on a grey screen and I can't do anything. Now when I try to run it before install it freeze on a black screen...
>>53839675
>Microsoft taking the reigns over Linux was the best thing that could happen to it
You're a fucking moron who has no idea what he's talking about.
How did someone as stupid as you find his way here let alone figure out how type and submit a reply?
>>53836409
>>53839989
have you compared the checksums of the iso to the one posted on their site?
If they are not the same, download it again or try another mirror.
If the iso is the same, try dd the flash drive to your computer and compare those to see that the flash drive contains the same thing.
If the problem still exist, try another flash drive.
>>53839991
lmao weeaboo
People really need to realise how little UIs have changed.
The differences are almost entirely cosmetic, and people have been tricked in to thinking "feedback" makes them better, when it doesn't. It's a huge waste of the programmer's time, and a waste of system resources.
Why do you need buttons to animate when you hover over them? You know you hovered over them because you moved a precision pointing device over to the button's area.
You don't have cars that have the steering wheel light up when you hold it to let you know that you have a hold of it, because you know you grabbed it.
I'm not even an oldfag or baby duck, because my first OS I really got in to was Windows XP, and even using old GUIs are exactly the same.
Smart phones and touch screens killed computing.
>>53840041
Thanks
>>53839974
>fucking greentext doesnt work
how do u live?
>>53836409
>linux ui is dated
>posts fucking XFCE 2 or some shit
YEAH WOW LOOK HOW DATED WINDOWS LOOKS
>>53840128
Honestly xfce doesn't look any different now than it did years ago.
>>53840267
yeah wow anon it looks pretty much exactly the same as op's pic except for pretty much literally everything
>>53840128
That looks like KDE actually.
>>53838474
It is true, they do not owe their users anything. It is odd though that GIMP is one of the most talked about programs when it comes to these threads.
You also don't hear many people say the same about firefox, that you should change anything you don't like yourself. People apply different criteria to different programs it seems.
>>53840267
Nah, you're just retarded.
>>53836409
I remember a few years ago that the general feeling on linux forums was:
"If they don't understand it, they shouldn't use it!"
Maybe we should get that feeling back...
>>53836409
> done with Linux
> You weeabo fags disgust me
LOLWAT
Pull the dragon dildo out of your ass
>>53836470
Cinnamon is a million times better than Windows UI.
op go fuck yourself
>>53840327
The same logic applies to all free software. What happens is that people have been trained by a lifetime of software masters. In this kind of mentality, the only thing you can do is whine where the software needs fixing. Well users apply this same mentality to free software. Users are so used to being helpless and having this work done for them that the mentality of freedom is quite a shock. A life of freedom isn't necessarily cheaper or easier, all it means is that you have the authority to take care of yourself; most people do not understand this.
>>53839234
>For what purpose? I mean unless you are developing software what is the purpose of "being in control" of it?
When you're in control, you get to know the software isn't calling home literally ten thousand times a day and sharing your data / information with unknown parties.
Using an OS that consists of proprietary code is the security equivalent of giving your house key to some guy you met on the Internet.
And no, it's not a selling point that hundreds of millions of other people have done that with the same guy. If anything, it should be the opposite of it.
>>53836409
Yes, yes. Linux is a fucking garbage.
Wifi doesnt work out of the box
File transfer to an android device with MTP doesnt work
No native equalizer
Graphic tearing while scrolling
Overheating issue (you could fix it but would u spend 1h+ fixing and finding the right kernel?)
Touchpad is not good in linux because of "muh free drivers"
This message will be copied and pasted through out /g/ for 24 days
>>53840496
u wot mate?
number 1 2 5 and 6 is not an issue for my acer laptop on a fully free debian jessie with old kernel. whats up?
>>53840473
I don't see it as users being helpless and whining. As more and more people and professionals use computers for their work or hobbies, you will have a large group of people who do not have the skills nor time necessary to tailor their software to their needs. Let us take the example of fontforge. Technically capable software but many of the professionals I know have either not heard of it or those that have do not want to use it. They are happier with software that is easier to use or has better support (fontlab or glyphs). It allows them more time to do their job than making sure their tools work.
It is generally in the interest of the developers to listen to their customers if they want to keep making profits (unless they are a monopoly, which is never good).
I am generally an advocate of free software but I have to concede there are times where it makes more sense to use a mature but proprietary solution. Free software is wonderful from an ethical point of view, but there are business realities that complicate matters for FOSS adoption.
>>53840476
you are a brainwashed basement dweller.
ubuntu is the ultimate botnet, has been for a long time, and none of you lincucks is even aware
>>53836409
amen, brother.
>>53840612
A person who understands the freedom they have would say something like "this software needs improvements here and here, I wonder how much it would cost to get that fixed". If fontforge needs some improvements done, a free software activist will invest to make that happen. Or they can invest nothing and try to make do with what's there.
Most people only understand software at a superficial level, "does this software do all my jobs right now or does that software do all my jobs right now". This is superficial because all software can be improved to work as perfectly you wish (within the limits of feasibility).
This is the same for everybody including businesses. If a business needs improvement to some software, they should take responsibility to get it fixed. Since most people only understand a life of helplessness to software, they can only judge the software on superficial terms - does it do the jobs I need right now.
>It is generally in the interest of the developers to listen to their customers if they want to keep making profits (unless they are a monopoly, which is never good).
This is true but make no mistake, they have the final say on whether they choose to help users or not. It's too bad for the customer if they choose not to cater to every single demand.
>>53840757
"Ultimate botnet" loses its impact when it is obviously a lie. How do you call someone brainwashed when you can't even write without lying?
>>53840781
You are correct that most people understand software at a superficial level. I believe people and businesses need to be educated in how free software can help them and their business.
Those who deal with very technical matters are well versed in these things and you'll find that FOSS in their fields is very actively developed and of high quality.
Those people in less technical fields are at a disadvantage.
I think there needs to be a stronger ecosystem of services that cater to those people. Whether it is the developers who should approach other businesses with their services or the other way around, I don't know. It has to be an arrangement that is financially beneficial for both parties to be successful.
>>53838605
I'd like to know if this fat hypocrite would still interject if people referred to it as just "GNU" instead of "Linux".
Would he still correct them it's not just GNU? I doubt it.
>>53840872
I think software programming and consultation should be like any other service. You have a business with an in house IT expert who should be able to make a business case to how improvements to small parts of the IT can improve productivity. He'd recommend for some external consultant to come in and figure out a solution to make it happen.
For individuals at home messing about on their computers, it should be no different to hiring a plumber to improve the piping to the house or hiring a builder to build an outdoor patio. They can go out to a software company and ask a quote for the modification to the various issues they want to see.
>>53840994
http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.en.html#long
> The shortest legitimate name for this system is “GNU”, but we call it “GNU/Linux” for the reasons given below.
>>53836409
Linux doesn't have a UI
Have you heard of elementary os?
>>53836432
>criticize free software
>"lol you don't like this feature? fix it yourself!"
>criticize proprietary software
>"lol you don't like this feature? write an alternative!"
Are you an Oracle employee?
>>53843159
Do you not understand how free software works? You can criticize it as you get it fixed. To criticize software that you pay nothing for is nothing more than entitlement.
Here OP I made a tutorial for you:
kys
For everyone else:
How to install the Arc theme:
sudo sh -c "echo 'deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/Horst3180/xUbuntu_15.04/ /' >> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/arc-theme.list"
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install arc-theme
How to install the numix icon pack:
sudo apt-add-repository ppa:numix/ppa
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install numix-icon-theme numix-icon-theme-circle
And then go to preferences and themes and select Arc-Dark and Numix Circle for the icons
Note: You may see white dotted lines around things at first, to fix this go to: /usr/share/themes/Arc-Dark/gtk-3.0 and edit a file called gtk-contained.css (you might have to use sudo)
On line 26 change it from: outline-style: dashed;
to: /* outline-style: dashed; */
>>53843495
Because suggesting bugfixes and improvements is now entitlement. This is why beyond the kernel and the coreutils, Ganoo Loonix is a joke.
And what about criticizing closed source freeware? How dare those entitled people suggest Win10 is spyware!
>>53843542
Have you actually read what goes for criticism?
>who unironically uses that garbage? Its super unintuitive compared to adobe photoshop.
>gimp is pure shit
>gimp ui is retarded
>what the fuck is wrong with gimp
These complainers are implying that they want developers to work for them to write a Photoshop clone - no payment needed. I hardly call that suggesting bugfixes and improvement.
>>53839165
>flat themes such as KDE5
Autism speaks
Are you listening
>>53843585
Loonies commonly like to suggest GIMP as a free alternative to Photoshop actually.
UI complaints in this case are perfectly valid; there are certain standards that are held amongst multiple comparable programs from Photoshop to Pinta; hence people would welcome something that can be at least adjusted to work comparably to the other software. Moreso, GIMP developers love to happily deflect any attempts at constructive criticism in the actual UX area and even hired a professional UI designer only to promptly fire him when they didn't like some of his suggestions.
>And recompiling the fucking kernel to do audio work? Are you out of your mind? I want to produce audio, not know how to fucking program my OS.
You have no excuse for this though.
ITT: Spillover from /v/ blaming their ineptitude with anything other than Windows on the OS.
It's kind of funny seeing so many of these supposedly really "technically adept" types go all apeshit over people using Linux or OSX. My experience is that it's usually just their ego telling them that "No, you can't be bad at something relating to computers, so it has to be something other than you" to avoid having to admit that they only know how to use Windows.
Personally I dumped Windows for OSX around 2007 and after a lot of tinkering with UNIX stuff in OSX all my desktops have since then run Linux (while my laptops run OSX). At this point Windows has to me become "That OS the clueless, kids who want to play games and those who have to use some really obscure tools only available on Windows". Pretty much all the software I run into, even the obscure stuff like AVR Studio, Matlab, Quartus II, etc., run on ether Linux or OSX.
Blaming Linux for how he looks, go Windows and enjoy three-dimensional backdoored PhotoShop. Gl
>>53843663
Seems like the main thing Unix taught you is arrogance.
>>53838660
>WHY THE FUCK DO SO MANY PEOPLE ON /g/ EDIT PHOTOS WITH PROFESSIONAL SOFTWARE
Everyone on /g/ is a self-employed graphic-designer/audio-engineer/CAD-specialist that can't separate their work-life from their personal-life, and as a result require thousands of dollars of proprietary software installed on their personal machine at all times.
>>53843644
As I said, it's a form of entitlement complaining like this without work. Most people are acting under the mentality of a helpless serf. People who live in freedom don't have this mentality of entitlement; they certainly do complain but they invest themselves into improving the software they need.
>>53843843
People are always entitled to complain. Silencing complaints is censorship. Do you need to be a chef to say a food tastes bad? See >>53843159 again.
What the fuck happened to "the customer is always right"? And don't even try to fucking suggest that users of free software aren't "customers".
>>53843894
Users of free software aren't customers if you haven't hired them to work for you. If you've invested something to contribute to the whole, then that can count as a form of payment.
>>53843894
>What the fuck happened to "the customer is always right"? And don't even try to fucking suggest that users of free software aren't "customers".
How the flying fuck are you a customer if there's no money involved whatsoever?
>no professional software for this garbage exists.
matlab and labview isn't professional software?
oh wait, you're just a 13 year old missing his pirated photoshop copy
>>53843894
You're not a customer, you're a low functioning autist if you think you're a customer. They created free software in their free time, and you didn't help in any way, whether that was monetarily or by actaully contributing to the project. They don't owe you a thing, sweetie. ;^)
>>53843961
>>53843968
So there are no real end users of that software, and stuff like GIMP was always means as just a self-congratulatory fapfest of hobbyist programmers contributing new and new shit into a scrapyard? I can't wait for the year of the linux desktop so I can start fixing it!
>>53844009
It's like he didn't even read what he replied to.
Well, my mama did always tell me that /g/ was the most autistic of boards.
>>53844009
There are end users. There are even customers when you get to businesses like Red Hat. But if you're not contributing anything, then you're just a user, not a customer.
>>53843961
>If you've invested something to contribute to the whole, then that can count as a form of payment.
implying anyone in the FLOSS community gives a flying fuck about how much code you've contributed when submitting a bug report
>>53844009
Are you implying that being an end user of Gimp makes you a Gimp customer?
You're confused because you only understand the life of begging software developers to do your work. In the free software world, nobody owes you a thing. If you want to see something done, it's your own responsibility to get it done. This is the hard reality of living in freedom.
>>53844065
Submitting a bug report is nice but doesn't count for much. What is valuable is people who invest something to write the software they need.
"I wish Gimp had layer effects so I hired this guy to write it for me, I am donating his work to you so that the work doesn't need to be replicated".
>>53844103
>You're confused because you only understand the life of begging software developers to do your work. In the free software world, nobody owes you a thing. If you want to see something done, it's your own responsibility to get it done. This is the hard reality of living in freedom.
And people like this are the ones laughing about "Wincucks", "Macfags", "baby duck syndrome". Holy shit lmao
>>53844152
>>"I wish Gimp had layer effects so I hired this guy to write it for me, I am donating his work to you so that the work doesn't need to be replicated".
>"lol fuck off with your silly layer effects, pull request rejected. Good luck keeping up with our retarded updates so your plugin doesn't break whatever we turn our tagliatelle code into"
>>53844155
Some people do laugh at that. I don't. What I do is say the reality of living in freedom: software freedom is hard work, it is up to you to improve the software you need to be perfect. You can make the perfect software if you choose but I take it that you choose not to.
>>53836424
exactly this.
not shitposting, not trolling. if you're not required to use desktop Linux due to your work or something you're developing, you're just trying to deliberately make your desktop experience harder to put some spice in your life.
>>53844198
Like I said, free software isn't necessarily cheaper or easier. If nobody wants to accept your work, then it's your own responsibility to keep it.
>>53844211
A commonly seen paradigm in the Linux world is that the software most commonly perceived as "perfect" are often the ones most similar to Windows native software.
>>53837392
okey dokey
>>53844248
They could offer at least some willingness of cooperation then. Being like Gnome devs and offering merely arrogance instead of compliance only benefits the author's own ego and nobody else.
>>53844254
I wouldn't interpret it that way. I'd rather interpret it as "I need software that works like Foo so I'll make a clone because it's easy to clone something that exists".
Stallman implemented his own Unix-like system because Unix was good enough, not because he particularly likes Unix. What Stallman really likes is Lisp and a Lisp OS.
>>53837335
lel. this argument would have been acceptable if not for the fact that Linux fans also vocally hate on non-free software and especially on Microsoft and Windows. you have some hardcore community members who still fantasize about sticking it to Microsoft or whatever
and they've been that way for literally two decades now. so who's the hater here?
>>53844300
The thing about cooperation is that people have different ideas about the direction that software should have. If you can't agree on the direction, then it's not so easy to cooperate on different directions.
Some projects are more willing of contributions than others. For Gnome's case, they have a specific direction in mind and they don't particularly care if people aren't interested in Gnome's direction.
>get fucking told in every other thread
>drags up old thread to hide getting fucking told
LEAVE, PAID MICROSOFT TROLLS.
DO NOT RETURN
>>53844395
And you know what didn't hurt a single user so far? Giving them choice. Choice that doesn't break with every update.
>>53838660
I think this might be the worst bait I've ever seen.
Does Linoox have proper painting applications where I can simulate things such as water oils, varying layers of paint etc? If so perhaps I'd switch.
>>53845481
Krita is getting there.
>>53840081
When you grab a physical object you're getting tactile feedback
