Why doesn't apple make computers out of aluminum instead of something else? ...like a strong metal
>>53762980
Why does*
the whole thing is a heatsink dingus
maybe they can make a copper one
>>53762980
Because there are not that many cheap and strong metals that also work as a decent heatsink.
>>53762991
Copper is heavy as fuck.
>>53762991
>>53763012
>heatsink
I hope this is a meme
They could, they're just a bit heavier.
So they use recycled coke cans, and, as a result, make them weak as fuck compared to what they could be. (Still stronger than most laptops on the market though)
>>53763038
You don't know?
How do you think they cool themselves?
You connect the heatpipe to a metal enclosure and you've got a massive dissipation area.
It's quieter than putting in a good fan.
>>53763012
forgot that macfaGS DON'T LIFT
>>53763067
Why do you even bother with a laptop if you don't care about weight? Just walk around with your desktop, a monitor and a huge battery pack in your backpack.
>>53762980
Cause its fucking light.
>>53763061
>They could, they're just a bit heavier.
But, uhh, there are tons of metals with better strength to weight ratio
>How do you think they cool themselves?
With fans and heatsinks... I doubt apple intended for the chassis to function as a heatsink...
>>53762980
They already did the Titanium PowerBook Years Ago...
>>53762980
Why are there no laptops made from tungsten carbide?
>>53763358
>OSX is 15 years old
What the fuck. How is it 2016?
Why does Boeing make planes out of aluminum instead of something else?
>>53763414
>planes are laptops xD
>>53763398
This might happen to "Windows X" since I think Microsoft said that Windows X is suppose to be the last version of windows. We might get something like Windows 10.1,10.2,10.3,etc.
>>53763414
I'm sick of hearing the aircraft-grade aluminum meme. It's entirely unremarkable.
>>53763371
>50lb laptop
>shatters when dropped
>>53763436
I use OSX at work, Win 10 at home. OSX feels fresh, like it came out recently. Win 10 feels like a beta still, even though it's a satisfying enough OS. Just doesn't have polish and what not.
I just can't believe this shit is 15 years old. I'm fucking 25. I remember using the old all-in-one semi-translucent Macs with the puck mice and hating them, but those can't have been much earlier than OSX. This OS is quite impressive.
>>53763436
We'll get "New Windows" or "Windows Azure" and move to a totally cloud-based OS.
>>53762980
How about diamonds OP?
Macfags love shiny things
>>53762980
They could have made it from stronger aluminium, same which they did use in iPhone 6s. Apple doesn't give a fuck about you or the functionality anymore. All about trying to be thinnest device these days. Fuck Apple desu
>muh aircraft grade
Let us know when soda cans are made out of titanium or magnesium
>>53762980
What metal exactly are you thinking about? Aluminium is a pretty great compromise of density, durability, thermal conductivity, cost, manufacture possibilities etc. The only alternative that is comparable is magnesium, which is lighter, but also weaker, softer and thermally worse. So really, you are not looking for better or worse material, you are looking for good compromises of multiple properties. Aluminium is a great compromise and a great material for what it's used. Find me a metal that has nicer properties for this purpose without any drawbacks.
>>53763583
flash bainite™
>>53763012
They could always use bit more expensive quality aluminium like 7xxx series...
It's not like aluminium is limited to chiluminium...
>>53763311
>But, uhh, there are tons of metals with better strength to weight ratio
>what is cost to performance
this nigga will make a laptop out of titanium
>>53763696
How would be the weight/price difference? Besides, what exactly is wrong with the one they use?
>no brushed steel chassis
this is what's holding laptops back
>>53763583
Alloys, man. Like dural.
>>53763444
Problem is that pretty much every grade of aluminium is used on some form in aeroplanes.
Due to this corporate idiots can call any aluminium product as a "high quality product made from AIRCRAFT-aluminium!!!".
In the other hand there is very high quality aluminium used in plane structures which would make amazing casing for products, but it costs more and average customer wont see difference, so it's not used.
>>53763724
Low tier aluminium, mostlikely softest & cheapest they could find.
>Loses it's chape from small hits
>Easy to bend
>Soft = Scratches easily
Higher tier aluminium will always cost more to manufacture, but it does not automatically add more weight.
>>53763743
>Like dural.
Nope, corrosion may be a problem here.
At least it isn't made of shit tier plastic like every other laptop.
>>53762980
plastic is actually better. not all plastic though.
>>53763734
>brushed metal
>>53763821
Though neither of the 3 mentioned will be ever a problem with normal use, so why further increasing the device price for everybody if some people can't use their hardware right? (It's not like Apple or any other manufacturer will just absorb the costs)
>>53763845
Good quality one got durability and weight benefit but heat dispersion and feel are absolute ass. Besides, even actually expensive plastic looks like cheap shit.
This thread is proof that PCfags think only in terms of specs. Applefags think holistically.
Macs are aluminium because and only because aluminium is recyclable and Apple is focused on reducing their environmental footprint as much as possible.
https://www.apple.com/environment/finite-resources/
http://inhabitat.com/apple-surpasses-recycling-goals-by-using-aircraft-grade-aluminum/
>>53763941
>tons of homosexuals so lower overpopulation
>tons of recycling so lower environmental footprint
>most of their stores are environmentally neutral
Apple is based as fuck.
>>53763941
>Macs are aluminium because and only because aluminium is recyclable and Apple is focused on reducing their environmental footprint as much as possible.
... No. They are made from aluminium because it gives products "premium" feeling. They don't give crap about recycling, it's just a bonus that it can be easily recycled.
>>53763583
>alternative
>magnesium
Magnesium + battery problems = literal bomb
>>53764184
Applel + engineering = literal bomb
>>53762980
Apple isnt about performance or durability or quality
Theyre about profit margine
Utilizing aluminum saves money in multitude of ways, including but not limited to:
Softer metal requires a less expensive milling tool/cutting head, which needs to be replaced often
Weak metal increases the likelihood of a catastrophic problem which apple will not take responsibility- which synergizes nicely with their planned obsolescance business model, as well as their marketing strategy of 'look how light we made this!', and encourages replacement
Upon replacement, apple can diversify its return investment across multiple generations of their product lines. Thus ensuring a fruitful business future.
Apple doesn't need to make good products to survive.
Hell, Apple doesn't even want to. It wouldn't make good business sense.
>>53764184
kek, sounds perfect.
>>53764218
Apple has worst charging cables from whole electronic market. Almost all apple cable i have seen have been mm's away from bursting in to flames...
When i was still in school there were few cables that actually sparked if you touched them...
>>53764184
Magnesium is only inflammable when it has a certain surface/volume ratio, that means in when it comes in very thin sheets or even powder.
The same is true for aluminium by the way and really most metals, even iron. The only difference is that the threshold value for surface/volume ratio may be lower for magnesium than for the other metals.
>>53764184
>implying magnesium alloys are any worse than aluminium in this regard
>>53764275
>>53764283
Does magnesium "passivate" similarly to aluminum?
>>53764314
Yes.
>>53763712
baller as fuck, imagine all the bitches you could fuck and niggas you could smack over the head with a titanium motherfucking laptop
>>53764351
Titanium as a material is just a another metal. It's not like hammer transforms to Mjölnir if you make it out of titanium instead of iron.
Titanium happens to be light as aluminium while still being "strong" as iron, but it is also very expensive material and hard to work with.
Also few mm's of titanium does not mean that it is indestructible, it just requires bit more strenght to break it.
>>53764440
fyi no man made object is indestructible
>>53763311
Like, say, Titanium?
Been there, done that.
Something as simple as a unibody case milled out of stainless steel would do the job find.
>With fans and heatsinks... I doubt apple intended for the chassis to function as a heatsink...
Seen the 2015 macbook?
No fan. No heatsink. Just a heatpipe and the case.
For the same reasons that thinkpads are made of magnsium and plastic its part of the identity.
>>53763061
there isn't a heat pipe connecting the case to the outside of the laptop
it would be literally unusable if they did.
the aluminum just naturally gets hot around the cpu and gpu because apple can't cool their products properly.
and this shit gets hot too, 120F right above the keyboard by the heatsinks
>>53765053
By god you're right, the head spreader isn't CONNECTED to the outside of the laptop, it's just pressed directly onto it instead.
>>53765053
>because apple can't cool their products properly.
It's funny too because the fans/heat sinks are fully sufficient but the exhaust positioning is retarded.
>>53765247
even with the screen off my 2012 macbook pro throttles
there's surprisingly little difference between screen on and screen off thermal performance
>>53765282
... because the exhaust ports are 70% blocked by the hinge whether the mac is open or closed? I really don't understand what the fuck they are thinking with that god awful hinge design. Everything else is beautiful bar this.
>tfw no more TiBooks
>>53765303
because the screen actually doesn't really affect thermal performance that much, especially on the retinas where the hinge is further back and angled better
go watch the retarded linus tech tips video where they blocked a shit load of airflow in a computer and still got fairly good performance
>>53765303
It's so the stupid fucks can have the computer in bed or on carpet without suffocating the fuck out of it.
>>53763458
Try to see if you can install hackintosh.
I bought a PC last year I intended to use Windows 10 on and just play my games and stupid shit on it. That quickly changed when I figured out I could install that shit on it.
Now I rarely boot into Windows.
ITT: /g/ pretending they are better engineers than design teams Apple pays millions of dollars for
>>53765559
Well after replacing the thermal paste on my rMBP13 the day I got it and instantly lowered load temps by 30-40C. I say that I am better than those dronechinks at foxconn.
>>53765303
This is actually genius. Other exhausts swallow all the dust they can get and are horrible to use in your bed.
>>53765303
It's great on the rMBP13 where the CPU only has 28W TDP. Absolutely fucking retarded on the rMBP15 when the CPU and GPU combined has 105W TDP.
>>53765629
>in your bed
why do people do this
a bed is for sleeping and fucking
nothing else
muh cost prohibition
muh no one will buy it
muh asdf
they did op, everyone bought it
>>53765646
It's like you hate comfy shitposting or watching a movie.
>>53765646
10m2 apartment. I got shower & wc and combined bedroom, living area & kitchen. Most comfortable area to watch stuff is bed.
>>53765661
>not watching a movie on your giant TV instead
I guess you spent all your money on a worthless mac that you can't afford anything else.
>>53765678
Well if you stopped buying piece of shit Apple products you would be living in a better home.
>>53765686
>not watching a movie on your giant TV instead
Not even half as comfy, unless you have a weird ass setup with the TV being 1m away from your bed.
>>53765661
there's nothing comfy about sitting up in a bed. beds are for laying down.
>>53765716
>what are pillows
>>53765686
I don't own any apple devices. It was just general answer why people use these devices on bed. I use XPS 13 which is pretty similar to apples devices.
Oh and i got 110" whitescreen w/ 1080p projector too. I have pretty much stuffed my small & cheap apartment with high end gear.
>>53765726
sitting in a springy spongy cushion is a great way to develop back problems
get a fucking chair and sit up straight you degenerate
>>53765752
Holy autism
>>53765752
I have had poor back since i damaged it when i was 4. I have never sat straight nor gived whit about ergonomics. 16y later nothing has changed, by back it in same condition as when i was 4, i have no problems with it and i have normal back apart from that.
Ofc i exercise, but that's it.
diamond macbook WHEN?
>steel
heavy as fuark
>titanium
expensive
>magnesium
highly reactive, what could go wrong
>>53763941
>exploit chinese kids
>dump toxic waste
>evade taxes on a worldwide basis
>>53765752
You are absolutely right. I used to spend too much time in bed with my laptop. It was fine for a long time, but then i noticed that I had some pain (it wasn't actually painful, I'd call it uncomfortable) in my lower back and just couldn't lie in bed any longer. Had trouble sleeping because of that. Since then I only go to bed to sleep at night. That's enough time spent in that position.
>>53765804
Ignorance pays in particularly nasty ways when it comes to health. I know so many people who started off like you when they were your age, fatties, skellies, people who never work out, people who drink limitlessly on weekends, smokers etc. All them used to say stuff like "Oh, it doesn't matter, my doctor says I'm healthy!" back then. Now they thirty and their health deteriorates very quickly. They still say the same thing, but then they quickly add "..., with the exception of this list of chronic diseases I collected so far."
I mean, of course you are fine, you are fucking TWENTY. Almost everybody is reasonably healthy at twenty, even fucking landwhales, alcoholics and chain smokers are healthy at that age. That's nothing to brag about.
>>53765852
>expensive
So are the fucking machines. Premium materials for premium devices only makes sense.
>>53765931
I guess the thing is disproportionally expensive. Not only are the materials itself more expensive, but also the manufacturing process (you need special cnc machines to cut through titanium and the process takes much, much longer). Producing such devices in volumes that are needed for Macbooks is probably not economically feasible. Plus titanium is not a premium material in all regards: It may be harder than aluminium, but it's almost twice as dense, it has poor thermal conductivity and the mechanical stability/mass benefits are negligible. It's simply not worth it. I wouldn't pay any premium for a fucking gimmicky titanium case.
>>53765975
Say what you want about titanium not being better as far as the users concerned, Apple's done it before and the people who had them disagree
>>53765975
all of this is true. Titanium is just insanely expensive to produce and process. First of all it melts at fucking 1700 degrees centigrade, at which point you can only used specialty ceramics etc. whereas you can melt aluminum (670 degC) in your back yard. Then there's all the specialty machinery to cut/mill it etc, and then you end up with something that is heavier and slightly stronger than aluminum.
No doubt apple fags would pay $10k for a titanium laptop though, apple should really look into it.
>>53766008
>people who had them disagree
>people who payed too much for a mediocre product claimed it was in fact not mediocre
what else is new
>>53766008
The Titanium Powerbooks were the most fragile Metal Mac Laptops ever made. Although that was just Apple's retard engineering, the hinges were screwed into plastic keyboard bezel and it quickly destroyed itself over the next few years.
I wanna try the trackpad, but that shit's expensive.
I mean 120 eurodollars c'mon I can buy 2 of the best mice in the market for that
>>53763371
Large surfaces of the stuff is really brittle and dropping it would crack everything.
Now if it was about three times as thick, it would work, but it would weigh a shutting and require an extremely long CNC process.
Source: tries to make a Nokia lumia shell out of the stuff once.
>>53766071
Just get a first gen Magic Trackpad. Cost me $50 before the second came out, I'd imagine the price has gone down a bit
>>53763371
hardness =/= strength
same meme is that diamond can't break
Why not just a decent strong plastic?
>>53766125
>plastic
No thanks
>>53763358
when apple 15 years ago had better bezels than nowadays
makes u think
>>53766129
We invented all these great materials like polycarbonates, why go back to metal like some hipster shit?
>>53766089
Does it have every feature though? I heard it doesn't have that force touch thing
>>53766125
>plastic
Disgusting.
>>53766171
Why leave metals like some poorfag shit?reyna
>>53766183
Force Touch sucks imo. I like the feel of the old trackpads better.
>>53766183
What's the point of force touch? I see no reason to spend twice as much for a trackpad that simulates a click instead of actually clicking
>>53766194
Hey, let's just use gold for laptop cases.
It's expensive, that means it must be great at it.
>>53766215
You can click anywhere on the trackpad now. Personally, I never thought it was a big problem, you just naturally won't go anywhere near the top part of the trackpad when you intend to click on it.
>>53766219
Except gold would suck for a laptop case. Meanwhile, aluminium is great
>>53766241
Yeah, if you like bends and burn wounds.
>>53766233
I can click anywhere on the first gen
>>53766265
Try top edge.
>>53766261
I don't throw my laptop at walls and never had an issue with temperature
>>53766279
Then why care about the material?
>>53766215
>>53766203
Well honestly I didn't even try the feature so I wouldn't know.
In any case I must track this pad somewhere for cheap, I want the pretty little gestures
>>53766278
Just did, working fine.
>>53766296
Because it's in contact with my skin for hours on end.
>>53766303
>Because it's in contact with my skin for hours on end.
Then why use something highly reactive like aluminium that can cause skin rashes instead of a safe plastic?
>>53766345
I can smell the bullshit from here anon. It's cool and all if you've got a hard on for plastic, but don't go making stuff up.
>>53766379
Aluminium allergies are actually a thing, look it up.
>>53766453
You should've stated it was an allergy, you make it sound like the human skin simply doesn't work well with aluminium, which is false.
