Why aren't you backing Cerberus, /g/>
> no dust filters
> only $249 for the basic model to $999 for the special model
> tells you to buy your own dust filters
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/kimeraindustries/cerberus-by-kimera-industries-the-18l-matx-us-made
because I already have this (in black)
>>53720368
go kill yourself with a fucking cactus up your ass
buy ad space so i can block it, fucking cunt
>>53720368
I seriously considered it but I decided that I'm a mini-ITX guy.
>>53720386
does it have dust filters?
>>53720421
>
In the Deep Silence 5 Rev. B, a total of three 140 mm fans are already installed. Two of these are mounted in special swiveling brackets, which allow for simple removal of the fans and easy access to the included dust filters. The third fan is mounted at the back of the case.
that wasn't actually something I was looking for and I don't remember when I put it together but I guess it does!
>>53720368
looks like my shill thread managed to attract 1 whole buyer
>>53720386
legit looks like a refridgerator
$250 for a piece of locker-room steel
./htop kek
>>53720491
but it's US made steel...
>>53721404
So it's shit.
lol my watercooled EATX build is only 41 liters.
NCASE PLEASE SAVE US
>>53722292
why the fuck would these idiots use liters and not like cubic feet/meters/whatever??
>>53720368
>only $249
>ONLY
it's fucking cheap m8 , I will buy 3
>>53720368
I spent $200 on an ncase m1. Its an amazing case for the price. Yours seems overpriced. Although to be fair, the ncase ships from fuxking taiwan so im sure it costs less to produce
>>53722494
Who the fuck uses cubic feet for computer cases?
Liters has always been the main unit.
>>53722617
>Who the fuck uses cubic feet for computer cases?
everybody who is anybody uses cubic feet. Only nerds use liters because that way they can relate it to how many 2liters of mountain dew it can accomodate
>>53722645
>everybody who is anybody uses cubic feet.
Pretty specific there jackass.
>>53720386
nice minifridge senpai
![9aa2d6b60aa1b07df8a4bae0847dc9b8_original[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/rbT8wwE.jpg "9aa2d6b60aa1b07df8a4bae0847dc9b8_original[1].jpg")
>>53720368
It doesn't look like a bad design, but I wouldn't spend that much on a case like that when I could just get a Define S for a fraction of the price.
Also looks like it would get hot in here. I'm not seeing much airflow.
>>53720475
>>53722749
how fat are you guys if you see a rectangular shaped metal box and think it's a fridge?
>>53720368
>249 dollars for the base model
Fuck that.
>>53722824
how fat are you that you need to have a fridge lookalike in your room with you at all times
>>53722494
1 liter = 1000cm^3.
Haha, fucking Americans. Cubic feet can fuck off and 1 cubic meter is 1000 liters which is means all cases will be in decimals like 0.050m^3 since most cases are less than 50 liters.
>spend $250 on a case with no dust filters and you're paying more money for less space and expansion possibilities
Yea na. If I wanted to spend stupid money on a case, it would be a custom built one from Mountain Mods or CaseLabs
>>53723062
at that point, why not inwin 901/904
Like it but the price is ridiculous. I have a Cooltek/Jonsbo U3 which is 20 litres and cost me £50.
>>53722824
tbqh it looks like a fridge from the front
Why the fuck is it so expensive? It looks decent but that price is seriously not competitive. Halve it then we might be talking.
>>53723246
Kickstarter lets people try to get away with crazy things.
>>53723246
It's a custom case with a small run. It's kinda high but it isn't that insane considering they went with a US company. They should have been smarter about trying to lower the price point though
The case looks good. If it had proper support for 240mm radiators, I'd probably buy one.
That being said, everyone can shut the fuck up about case size and just fucking buy whatever autistic ricer garbage you want and enjoy it.
>>53722467
We're working on it. Though do keep in mind that we're not looking at doing anything close to as small as the Cerberus for mATX, if that's what you're into.
>>53723246
It's because it's 1) made in the USA, 2) made using NCT (+maybe laser) and manual bending, rather than die-stamping (which would cost tens of thousands more to tool up). The shipping cost is also horrible for anyone outside North America, since shipping a heavy steel case across an ocean in a timely fashion costs $$$.
>>53720368
it looks like any other compromised, boring "minimal" case with no functionality whatsoever
who cares
>>53723526
>Though do keep in mind that we're not looking at doing anything close to as small as the Cerberus for mATX, if that's what you're into.
What really? So the ideas for 17L to 25L are out at this point?
>>53720368
let me know when its retail
>>53723526
>>53723586
If it can, with relative ease, fit either a 360mm radiator or 2x 240mm radiators, I'll definitely buy it.
>>53723610
Forget retail, shit isn't even going to get funded.
>>53723526
You guys are going to make it cheaper than this right?
>>53720368
because its ugly
also, I don't like small cases
>also, poorfag
>>53723646
What about 3x240mm
http://www.overclock.net/t/1551825/sponsored-scratch-build-project-matx-three-240mm-radiators-in-20l
>>53723586
Not necessarily out, but it may be that we end up doing two different mATX cases that target different priorities: a medium-sized, 30-ish liter case with all the niceties (cable management, ATX PSU support, full tower cooler and water cooling support), and a much more volume optimized case that cuts all of that. I'm imagining the latter for people who actually intend to travel or otherwise transport their system.
I would rather buy an Ncase m1 because I don't need a graphics card. If I was making some gayming shit I would then get a gfx card and this.
>>53723685
>http://www.overclock.net/t/1551825/sponsored-scratch-build-project-matx-three-240mm-radiators-in-20l
I only skimmed through it, but it seems pretty good so far. I just am not sure how I feel about the fan intake slot design, personally. But, if I can fit my current hardware, with a pump and reservoir internally, and again 2x 240mm radiators, I'd be super content.
>>53723646
In the 30L range, it will probably be a 280+120 rad.
>>53723650
I think we pretty much have to make it cheaper than that, and that's what we're working on doing.
>>53720368
mfw they don't get their target
>>53723719
Ncase fits a graphics card just fine.
>>53723719
Why would you even bother with the NCASE with no GPU? You can go way smaller.
report the advertiser.
>>53723754
Cause it looks a lot better than that and if I ever change my mind I can always get a mini gfx card.
>>53723737
James and Josh are good guys that have done a lot for the community (they started https://smallformfactor.net/), and their hearts are in the right place with the Cerberus project (i.e., manufacturing in the USA). It's just the economic realities of global manufacturing and mass manufacturing that make it very hard for the little guy to compete on price.
>>53723733
I saw this design. My only gripe would as planned, it only allows 30mm thick radiators. I'm keen to EKWB, and they're 38mm.
>>53724078
Yeah, that particular design didn't go over too well (the worst thing I've ever done, according to one poster). The trade offs don't necessarily seem worth it, either - limited CPU cooler height, top vents that allow dust to settle in, poor cable management options, few drive options. At the cost of a few more liters you can pretty much solve all those problems.
>>53720368
What a piece of shit lol
>>53724192
What about using some behind the motherboard tray space for small things? Like mounting a few drives. Then, maybe use a 5.25" front bay that way people can still either have a slim ODD and extra storage with adapters, or a regular 5.25" bay device, or one of those pump/reservoir kits to satisfy the water coolers like myself. I like the side-mounted radiator idea, and a bottom one as well, just as I said, perhaps support for 40mm thick radiators is a good idea, whether they be 120/140, or 240/280.
Or perhaps even something similar to Corsair's "air" series, with a chamber specifically for drives, a bay device or two, the PSU and cables, and the other side can be for the other components and cooling.
>>53724294
That's a lot of different ideas. But I mean, everything comes at a cost, right? You need a minimum of 10-12mm behind the motherboard tray to do anything useful, but that means the case needs to be that much wider, or else you're cutting something else (like CPU cooler height). If we had a 5.25" bay, do we want to support full-size optical drives? Because that means keeping the space behind it clear out to 150mm+, which has significant design implications.
In principle these are fine ideas, but trying to do everything is how you end up with 27+ liter mini-ITX cases, and 40+ liter mATX cases. For me it's about identifying which features make the most sense or are the most important, and optimizing around that.
>>53723798
m1 fits fullsize gpus, mate
can this be a general case thread?
is there any case that looks like this but smaller?
>>53725143
Dont buy it if it doesn't have something as simple as a dust filter.
>>53720368
>GIGANTIC DUST MAGNET PORT ON THE CASE SIDE
When will this cancer end?
>paying 250 for less material than the average case
>faggots will justify this.
>>53720368
I would, but dust filters are required for me to buy a pc case.
>>53727697
Raw material is only a small part of the total cost. You're mostly paying for machine time and labor.
>>53727720
They give their reason for not including filters on the Kickstarter page:
>Cerberus does not include air filters because of the flexible nature of the Infinite Vent system — as fans of various sizes can be installed, it is impractical to include many filters for all such options.
You could always order custom filters from Demciflex.
>>53727813
They sell a piece of metal with holes in it as a system
>literally a stock PC case with a grid on one side for 250 $
>colors are a feature that costs you 1000$
>The optional case carry handle is milled from a solid billet of aluminum
>clipping the side in is a feature,
- that my 5$ ebay case has aswell
>"Even so, we continue to work on this, and will keep trying to find a way to bring international shipping down, and closer to the ~$80"
>138 people have already bought one
>3 People have spent 1K on this
i guess my sides have become a feature too
>>53727813
> hi /g/! Pay more for our Cerberus case so you could pay more for things we didn't provide you because you paid more for this case and the things we didn't provide you!
>>53728019
It's actually substantially different from any case on the market.
And again, the price has to do with the machining and labor costs, because 1) it's limited production, and 2) it's USA-made. Most mass-produced cases are made with die stamping, which is very expensive up front (mid to high 5 figures, typically), but drops the per-unit cost way down, if you amortize the cost over 10,000 units.
They aren't die stamping. They're using NCT and laser cutting machines which do every cut sequentially, and then manually bending (i.e., every single bend is set up in a press brake by a machine operator). In contrast, die stamping does all the cuts and the bends in one go, and only takes a second or two for each chassis.
Die stamping is ideal from a cost perspective, but it makes small production runs (<5k units) unfeasible due to the high up front costs.
I understand that from your perspective as a consumer, you don't care about any of that, and you'll compare it to what other products on the market offer. That's entirely fair. But the point I'm making is that their price reflects the cost of production and shipping for a product that isn't produced in large volumes by cheap labor. It's not an arbitrarily high price, and they're really not trying to rip anyone off.
>>53728144
>My perspective as a comsumer
>trying to reason a overpriced product on 4chan
only on mondays
>>53720368
Because im currently building my own case thats 12 liters and holds two graphics card and an sfx psu.
>>53723027
>1 liter = 1000cm^3
That's fucking wrong, you retard.
>50k of 150k
>3 days to go
>>53723798
>M1
>Mini GPU
I'm sorry, what? Why would you do that?
That guy creeps me out, total Fogle-vibe.
>>53729576
no you mong its correct
1 liter = 10cm x 10cm x 10cm = 1000 cm3
>>53722645
>everybody who is anybody uses cubic feet.
I think you've got it the wrong way around, Amerifat.
>>53731939
metric system ftw, but:
> Grams to a Kilograms
> a Kilograms
