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/g/, why aren't you using the best operating desktop system there is?
>fast
>reliable
>keeps up with latest updates
>no proprietary software
>works out of the box, customizable
>community-based, so it will still work if Red Hat goes out of business
Debian is always old or broken, Ubuntu is a botnet, and Arch is fucking pointless when Fedora does everything it can but better and with less work involved. There is even a rolling-release version (Rawhide) for you extra autistic nerds.
Why haven't you hopped onto the Fedora GNU/Linux train yet? Join us.
>>53704170
Yeah it has kind of a dumb name, but who gives a shit? Better than a distro named after your ex-wife or one that is impossible to pronounce. And "Arch Linux" doesn't give proper GNU naming attribution at the outset, though they do on their site.
I use it because it provides the best GNOME experience, but I don't recommend it often because it practically requires RPMFusion to be set up.
>>53704149
Anyone with a brain uses fedora, the only problem is it is a meme.
Is there an active fedora posting community that isnt IRC?
>>53704223
fedoraforums maybe?
from my experience it's trash that's rarely useful.
but then again the only distro community that isn't complete and utter garbage is probably gentoo's one.
>>53704220
I have rpmfusion but I rarely need it. What do you use it for? I'm trying to look up what I've downloaded off there in the past.
I did on my laptop with intel graphics but on my desktop the driver situation is worse on Fedora than Ubuntu, even with RPMFusion.
>>53704260
For patent freetype-freeworld, encumbered codec support and Steam. I wouldn't recommend an OS that couldn't play .mp3 files to the vast majority of people.
Because openSUSE Tumbleweed at work is better, as is void at home.
I wont use fedora because I'm still salty about le Poettering.
>>53704149
but I am
Because Canonical Ubuntu GNU/Linux is the standard GNU + Linux operating system.
>>53704308
>I'm still salty about le Poettering.
>openSUSE has rpm just like fedora
>openSUSE has systemd (poeteringware n.1) just like fedora
>openSUSE has pulseaudio (poeteringware n.2) just like fedora
>openSUSE adopted fedora's packaging guidelines for it's packages
that's not a very valid point I hope you're aware of that.
i'm not even going to dwell into how much yast is poop.
>>53704282
You do have a point, I forgot about those obvious ones as it has been a while since I installed. However, while I personally like downloading music, many people will just use Spotify anyway, which should only require Vorbis support.
>>53704342
I know all that, faggot. It's still not the primary playground for red hat faggotry.
>yast is poop
kill u
>>53704370
>It's still not the primary playground for red hat faggotry.
How does it even make a fucking difference if openSUSE ends up using exactly the same shit anyways?
I prefer Arch over Fedora, which is my second best distro.
Arch is more customizable, in principal you could make any distro whatever you want, but Arch is designed to be a sort of foundation to build upon and comes with AUR. Also, Arch is more up-to-date given you don't want to run pre-release packages.
I run Arch with Gnome (with gnome software is well) root partition is btrfs and I plan to strap it so it creates automatic snapshot with every pacman transaction; and ext4 for /home that is user-pass encrypted.
So Arch can be extended Fedora minus SElinux provided you are willing to spend some time to get it where you want it to be.
Assorted
>Pacman is better than DNF
>Fedora is special snowflake and in some places is different to any other distro eg. don't use gksu
>I have dpkg on my Arch install, so I can install .deb no problem
>>53704442
arch is broken.
my last update broke xorg.
>>53704432
Your autism is strong, my friend
Teach me your ways
But I am, I just installed it on my old laptop with LXDE. Kernel 4.4.6 actually works with my broken DSDT.
>>53704149
Fedora has systemd. This makes it yucky.
>>53704149
debian mustard race
dont care if ian is a maximum cucksimus, at least he had the courage to become an hero
>>53704149
I can't get Vmware to run on it, and Plasma ruins programs you install even though it has a nice gui.
>>53704459
I had problems with it some time ago, remarkably I was all new to Linux but now, not that much later, I can tell that Arch is more reliable - even with testing repos - than my "military grade" mobo's BIOS
>>53704370
Red Hat is one of the top (if not the top) contributors to FOSS, across a huge range of projects. If using Fedora means aiding Red Hat, I'm happy with that.
On top of that, it also means you get an advanced look at what the upcoming future of enterprise Linux is, and you can get a chance to shape it to by getting involved. systemd started as a hobby project in Lennart's free time.
>>53704545
>systemd started as a hobby project in Lennart's free time.
explains a lot
>>53704545
Also, FEDORA > CENTOS > ARCH > UBUNTU > SUSE > DEBIAN > BSD > LFS > TA MERE
>>53704558
Not really. You can't criticize a project with vague implications and expect to be taken seriously. Linux started as a hobbyist project too.
>>53704559
nicely mem'd
>>53704587
I can criticize the concept, implementation, and rollout of systemd if you want.
>expect to be taken seriously
do you know where you are, Lennart?
>>53704622
What's the deal with systemd? Linux noob here, managed to install arch but that's all
>>53704644
systemd is pretty awesome, i dont understand all the fucking hate towards it...
>>53704149
>fell for the fedora meme
>installed it on an old laptop
>decided to take the laptop out of my room and try to use it as a mobile device
>go to a bar to meet a friend I was planning to get a place with
>surely Fedora can handle the task of connecting to wifi and browsing Firefox
>start up laptop, look for bar's wifi
>it's not there, but a bunch of other networks are visible.
>literally the ONLY network that Fedora can't see is the one I need.
>my phone connects just fine
>try to search for the problem using my phone
>find an obscure post about someone downgrading their kernal to fix the issue.
>lol fuck it
Uninstalled shitty Fedora hobby distro, put Ubuntu on it instead because its the most 'just werks' distro available, uninstalled the Amazon botnet packages that came with it, its fine for my purposes.
I'm only using this old laptop until I have enough spare cash for a Macbook anyway
>>53704622
I'm sure you can.
I'm pretty sure I'm on /g/, the home of dead-end vanity software projects, anime wallpapers and mindless arguing.
>>53704664
>against UNIX ideology
yet still bretty gud
>>53704664
It's called a "vocal minority".
>>53704664
Isn't it meant to be a botnet or some shit?
>>53704644
Part bad coding practices, part disrupting a tested systems architecture philosophy, part being dicks to kernel developers, part ramming it down distros throats in highly politicized ways
That's just the practical. Theoretically, it's also a security risk.
>>53704704
Which distros don't have it?
>>53704670
haha, simple troubleshooting tricks would have fixed the issue, obviously this is a troll post.
>>53704673
Not that I care but all of linux is against the UNIX philosophy. Instead of do one thing and do it well, Linux is do a hundred things and do none of them well.
>>53704691
nope, works fine.
>>53704704
that is crock full of FUD, all distros are switching towards it. (LINUS LIKES IT)
http://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-and-others-on-linuxs-systemd/
>>53704704
>Part bad coding practices
Such as?
>part disrupting a tested systems architecture philosophy
What does this mean?
>part being dicks to kernel developers
Did somebody hurt somebody's feelings? What has this got to do with software?
>part ramming it down distros throats in highly politicized ways
Sure, cite your examples.
>>53704716
Gentoo/funtoo is the classic one, gentoo made Poettering rage one time.
Debian can run without it. So can arch (but that pisses off archfags when you try it).
Void is a cool distro that takes a hardline "fuck off systemd" stance.
>>53704716
gentoo
>>53704742
Linux isn't exactly good either.
does the gnome settings manager allow me to set mouse accel and monitor refresh rate now?
>>53704747
>all distros are switching towards it
Lol how wrong can you get?
>LINUS LIKES IT
So what?
>>53704784
No and yes. I think libinput only grew support for the former recently.
>>53704784
>mouse accel
yes
>monitor refresh rate
Not on my display, but then I'm on a laptop, so to answer your question: not sure
cool, been a while since our last systemdick fight thread
>>53704797
I'll rephrase for him: all _relevant_ distros are using systemd.
>>53704809
You're thinking of mouse speed. And refresh rate is new in 3.20.
>>53704812
So what?
Same thing as the LINUS LIEKS IT shit. None of that actually means it's any good.
You don't have to rephrase yourself, btw.
>>53704837
>mouse speed
Is that different from mouse acceleration? Are we talking about DPI?
>>53704727
>troubleshooting linux
>in a bar
>with no internet connection
Okay.
>>53704847
Actually, that is basically what it means. It means it solves problems that make it attractive to the majority of developers actually doing the work in Linux, not hobbyist and various fringe and niche developers that make up a small portion of the community and contribute an even smaller amount in cold hard work.
>>53704742
>Linux is do a hundred things and do none of them well
Linux is only garbage at running proprietary programs (gayms, muh photoshop) and far superior at everything else, even consumption of media encoded with proprietary standards
Frankly, my experience with systemd has been quite negative.
Are you tards so addicted to Windows that you can't learn traditional POSIX architetcure, and why it is easier to use, faster, safer, and more secure?
BInary config files, system registries, cryptic errors, (fuck, everything about systemd is almost tailor made to be cryptic) oh yeah, I love having to deal with this kind of Microsoft-esque shit.
>I didn't get a fucking RHCE just to fuck around with this.
>>53704900
>rhce
that was your first mistake.
LPIC ftw niggaaaaa
>>53704900
>BInary config files
So, you've never used systemd, right?
>>53704872
>try to search for the problem using my phone
you could have tethered your phone's internet, dont get stupid pleb, fedora is perfect.
>>53704900
architecture.
>>53704900
Nice to know all anti-systemd fucks are just regurgitating memes they've heard on /g/ and other autistic forums
Because fedora sucks
Come at me OP, I took a dump in your fedora internet defence force thread.
>>53704942
systemd did nothing wrong you jew loving motherfucker.
>>53704942
He's not even doing it right. I'm pretty sure he's mixed up his journald talking points (binary logs) with his dconf talking points (system registries, binary configs).
>>53704917
I wish
>>53704922
Used it too much
>>53704942
You one mad motherfucker
>stop not liking what I like!
>>53704953
what the fuck did you just say meme.jpg
>>53704983
Which configuration file is binary?
Because yum is slower and less robust than any other package manager I used, and development is focused on Gnome which I dislike.
Actually they both suck ass, which makes the distro suck ass.
https://www.archlinux.org/
https://wiki.archlinux.org/
>>53705021
dnf
>>53705021
it's DNF now asshole, and it's even more flexible than yum, and gnome is better than your shit tiling window manager you cuck...
>>53705021
Basically this, only reason to use fedora is if you want to be locked into a GUHNOME/GTK/Red Hat sandbox.
KDE is better. Best KDE distro? openSUSE.
pacman is better.
Debian has a wider spread, more help for noobs
Fedora is literally a corporate testing distro. Learning centos is a good idea, not fucking Fedora.
>>53705054
it's worth to note that it has quite handy tiling extension by the name of gTile
>>53705054
>DidNotFinish
>>53705081
nice meme regurgitation there
>>53705081
shut up cuck.
>>53705033
Fine, it's still slow, no idea if it's robust since I only used it for a day and didn't have my connection drop or anything. I cannot use yum/dnf after using aptitude, pacman or yast/zypper. It's shit in comparison.
>>53705094
lol
>>53705099
>>53705095
>>53705054
>cuck, asshole, etc
You get quite angry whenever someone counters your fedora-ness. Why is this, friend?
>>53705109
> installed ubuntu on my t450, shitty experience
> installed fedora 23 on my t450, everything works, snappy as fuck performance and everything, i went to a starbucks, and fucked 3 hot chicks.
> fedora is the future.
> ubuntu when you like nigger cocks in your ass.
>>53705133
i lost my dad yesterday, he loved fedora.
>>53705169
fucking lol
>>53705133
you misquoted anon
be more careful next time
>>53705209
he lost his dad, give him some slack anon.
Using systemd is being fucked by your computer
>>53705280
nice meme regurgitation there friend
>>53705280
the important thing is that you like being fucked by your computer.
>>53705286
its kind of is
not that theres anything wrong with that
>>53704512
VMWare is broken on Fedora 23, but it works fine on 22
>>53704848
jesus christ anon
>decide to switch from windows 7 to linux
>don't even think about using fedora because the distro name is a meme
>>53705410
If you're legitimately turned off by a FUCKING NAME than please don't use Fedora.
Thank you.
>>53705438
IF you're legitimately mad at a FUCKING COMMENT then please continue to use /g/.
Thank you.
I'm installing Debian right now. Why should I install Fedora instead?
>>53705438
What is your damage?
>>53705566
Fedora guides development in the Linux world. Debian doesn't.
The least you can do is use what the actual devs use. The people who are actually giving you that software.
>>53705374
Vmware is broken each time theres a new linux
>>53705612
What if I just want to use my computer?
I don't wish to develop anything.
I want to look at hentai without some guy in a cubicle laughing at me.
>>53705566
Go ahead with Debian anon. You will fall in love, as I did!
What Desktop Environment did you go with?
>>53705686
Every single one.
And it's taking forever to install.
What are you using my guy?
>>53705724
Cinnamon. It is very sensible and has lots of features but no bloat. I really like it a lot, and with some theme from the built in downloader it can look very good.
I like to add this repo so I always have the latest Firefox http://mozilla.debian.net/
>>53705839
Hmmmmmmmmmm.
Why did you choose Debian?
I chose it becuase I think Debian will be there forever and it's pretty solid. (No rapid updates)
>>53705913
I started with sid because I was a serial distro hopper. Then moved on to stable because I liked Debian a lot. Then after 2 years I have no urge to move on.
I want my distro to a) not break b) open programs c) allow me to get the programs I want. And nothing does those things Debian!
>>53704149
I've been using it the last three years.
Best distro I've tried yet.
Was thinking about testing out Qubes. Any good?
Just installed it on my desktop
>>53706142
This screenfetch program is really nice.
I wish people who have it installed could get a forum signature or something so I can always tell they are new at this or have so much autism I shouldn't listen anyways.
>>53704924
>you should tether and use your mobile data because Fedora literally can't do a something as basic as connect to a wifi network
yeah nah.
>>53704149
Gentoo
Fedora 23 with MATE reporting in
>>53704149
>Red Hat
It's even worse, it's the beta testing version of Red Hat.
No, thanks
What operating system doesn't work out of the box? That seems like an absolute failure of a system to me.
>>53708342
Windows tbqh
>>53708351
You know darn well that isn't true.
>>53706129
I love Qubes, and can _probably_ answer any questions you might have as I've used it as my daily driver for a few months (not atm)
>>53708359
Wifi drivers can be pretty shit if you're not using an OEM image
>>53704149
This kind of threads again?
>>53704442
That just made me so wet
>>53704149
But I am!!
fedora 23 + xfce is brilliant, pretty stable and super fast, not to mention once you clean up the stock panels, fonts and themes it can look really nice. Feels like a modern XP
>fast
Compared to what, other Linux distros? Maybe.
>reliable
Compared to what, other Linux distros? Maybe.
>keeps up with latest updates
Linux updates constantly because shit is never done right the first time, no surprise there.
>no proprietary software
You say that like it's a bad thing or something. UNIX is proprietary and without it Minux would have never existed hence neither would Linux.
>works out of the box, customizable
Great, you just admitted you spend more time customizing the shitty thing than actually making use of it, fucking fantastic, congrats.
>community-based, so it will still work if Red Hat goes out of business
Nobody fucking cares, seriously.
>>53704149
>>keeps up with latest updates
still doesn't have KDE 5.6
>>53710594
>>works out of the box, customizable
>Great, you just admitted you spend more time customizing the shitty thing than actually making use of it, fucking fantastic, congrats.
What? How is that even implied? I mean sure, the point of it being customizable is pointless to make, but still... How does making the customizable point imply utter ricing? Is being allergic to checkboxes a thing only ricers don't have or something?
>>53704149 (OP)
>>no proprietary software
Fedora literally includes proprietary firmware blobs.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Forbidden_items
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing:Main#Binary_Firmware
See Debian for a comparison
https://www.debian.org/News/2010/20101215
>Debian is always old or broken
s/old\ or\ broken/stable/
Use backports.
>Ubuntu is a botnet
Telemetry != botnet. Read up on what a botnet actually is, kid.
>and Arch is fucking pointless when Fedora does everything it can but better and with less work involved.
Different philosophies. You'd probably argue Gentoo and BSDs are pointless as well, when it's *you* who is too stupid to learn.
>There is even a rolling-release version (Rawhide) for you extra autistic nerds.
Never run development releases for your production environment. They're *developer releases*.
>Why haven't you hopped onto the Fedora GNU/Linux train yet? Join us.
I think I'll pass.
>>53710594
>UNIX is proprietary and without it Minux would have never existed hence neither would Linux.
There are a couple things wrong with this sentence.
>UNIX
UNIX® is 'just' a registered trademark hold by The Open Group: http://www.unix.org/what_is_unix.html
>As the owner of the UNIX trademark, The Open Group has separated the UNIX trademark from any actual code stream itself, thus allowing multiple implementations.
Note the distinction between UNIX® and a UNIX system. Follow these guidelines when using their trademarks: http://www.opengroup.org/legal/trademark
>UNIX is proprietary
That's System V. BSD is completely free for over two decades now.
>Minux
That would be MINIX.
It's shit and I hate it.
>>53705839
Or you could wait a bit, till Debian is integrating Mozilla Firefox in their system again (with original Firefox as the name and with ESR and release versions).
Assuming a laptop is fully supported by both Fedora and CentOS, is there any significant advantage to choose one over the other? Would there be battery life difference?
>>53713044
This is roughly a trade-off between stability and features. Fedora has more updated packages, which also may be prone to break more.
>>53713044
Fedora would be better for battery life as it comes with newer kernel and id more modern in general
>>53713176
You can't really say that without pinpointing exactly why a specific version kernel has better or worse battery life support.
>>53704149
*tips euphoria*
>>53704260
mpv
>>53704442
>pacman is better than dnf
Fuck off, pacman deleted config files when updating not that long ago. Arch has a lot going for it, just not pacman.
>>53713890
This.
My mom had to cancel my meeting because pacman yet again fucked up my Xorg.conf
>>53713643
each major kernel update had some improvements in this department, at least for 4.x. 4.6rc is better than 4.5, 4.5>4.4 and so on. So obviously running 4.4.6 would be better than 3.whatever.centoshas.
I wouldn't go into pinning exactly why this happens as I don't have knowledge required to discuss how kernel works in very detail as well as it doesn't really matter for end user. Just read changelogs, they do state that work has been done to improve battery performance.
>>53713890
>>53714216
>have xorg from /testing/ repo
>works
>compile xorg from git
>doesn't work
>installed xorg from /testing/ repo
>works again
>no config file was overwritten in the process
ehhhhhhhh
I hate fedora. I'm using arch linux (for hardware reasons) usually use debian.
>>53714253
>muh anectodal evidence
>>53714269
What pacman do is changing actual packages, it does not write to confs.
>>53714217
This may seem likely, but without at least a reference or a link to said changelog to support this, this doesn't really say anything.
>>53714291
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux-46-features&num=1
>A significant redesign to CPUFreq and P-State for allowing the kernel's scheduler to better communicate changes to the CPU frequency scaling drivers. There's also a new scaling governor being designed (but not for linux 4.6) to further benefit from the changes.
I hope phoronix is good enough for you
Obviously this is only to confirm that linux kernel is worked on; I won't go into reading each and every change log to compile a list of changes made in power management department
No doubt there are differences between the two kernels, but how much difference would it actually make assuming there are no specific bugs affecting power management? 15 minutes extra on an 8 hour battery?
>>53704170
You mean, the distro existed before the meme. Yeah, fuck the devs for trying to make a reference to the project they're basing their on by naming after a hat. Dumbshit.
>>53714339
>Obviously this is only to confirm that linux kernel is worked on
Yes, I think we all know that. ;-)
>I won't go into reading each and every change log to compile a list of changes made in power management department
Of course, nobody is asking you to. Thank you for providing a link, anon.
>>53704149
1. Because I am not comfortable to be used like a guinea pig and testing ground for RedHat
2. Because Ubuntu != Xubuntu
>>53704149
Broken system. Dropped.
>>53708359
It can be, usually for hardware released after the version of Windows.
Then you have to deal with shit like ethernet drivers on CD-Rom.
Because subsequent versions of GNU/Linux are typically gratis, it's not a problem.
I am not going to use gnome3 anymore. Switching apps is so slow, I can't easily close an app like chrome by "blindly" pointing my mouse to my upper right corner, I can't "blindly" scroll my tabs with my mouse, because of the topbar. I have to do 2 clicks to access the icons of apps like clementine. After I open more than 5 windows I feel lost and no I can't use multiple desktops cause the windows are random.
They want me to use the "meta/windows" key instead of alt to move windows around. I have to go from the left side of the screen to almost the left to choose an application on the application viewer(ctrl+a). They think that I don't want my monitor to go to sleep(blank screen) in more than 15 minutes after no activity.
I disguist their lack of options and what they think the desktop should be. The app viewer(ctrl+a) is made for touch like hell they force on my pc with keyboard and mouse! I thought that the meta key would be good but no I HAVE to move my mouse across the whole screen to select a window. It would be much better if I already knew where the windows where like I know when I use a proper taskbar.
>>53714897
Then you shouldn't have dropped it.
