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Previous Thread: >>53663572
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i finally have money to spend on upgrading my headphones. i currently have
FiiO E11k and Sennheisers 518.
I really liked them when I got them but I realized these have practically no bass, the FiiO kinda has a bass boost which made it bearable.
>Budget
I'm not rich... but as long as it's a reasonable amount for a set of headphones I'm willing to pay it. What I mean by that is I can't reason spending $500 for a set of cans.
>Location
Romania, Yurope. Amazon.fr/.de/.co.uk/.it
>Source
PC. I'd be willing to buy a DAC.
>Preferred type of headphone
full sized
>Open or closed
All the closed headphones I've listened too sound like they have too much bass for my preference so I would like OPEN with bass
>Comfort level
I want them to be comfy. I'm gonna use them for 14 hours a day.
>Preferred music
I'm all over the place with my preffered music. Today I might listen to full blown dindu music. Tomorrow I might listen to something like Dj Okawari and then kpop.
>Past headphones
Sennheisers 518 i disliked the lack of bass and usually any song with drums sounded shit.
>>53681265
I'm in the weird situation where I have an o2 amp but i'm in need of a dac, does anyone have any suggestions of a good usb standalone dac that I can combine with my amp that is cheaper than the jds labs one?. Under £100 would be ideal.
>>53681300
HD 600.
>last post 404'd minutes within making a request
Ah well, here goes again.
>Budget
As cheap as possible, I'm a poorfag.
>Location
UK
>Source
Thinkpad x220
>Preferred type of headphone
Over-ear, cupping everything
>Open or closed
Doesn't matter
>Comfort level
Comfy is a plus
>Preferred music
All classical, Medieval to Baroque choral and organ music. (I'm a church organist)
>Past headphones
Using a Xiaomi Piston 3 currently. Wanted to get my hands on a pair of over ears for that comfyness.
>>53681345
>I can't reason spending $500 for a set of cans
>recommends $400 headphones
>>53681320
I don't think you will find a DAC that does not also include an amp. Doesn't the o2 have a DAC?
>>53681373
Are you new to numbers or something? $400 is less than $500.
>>53681403
i'm not that guy but that's still in the vicinity of $500
>>53681416
>80% = 100%
>>53681377
No, you can pay twice the price of my amp to have a dac put inside the case, or pay close to £150 to buy their stand alone dac the same as the one in the picture I posted.
Basically I'm an idiot and I sold my e10k (which is a dac and amp) in order to buy the o2 amp because I assumed it was the same but capable of going louder, which it can.
I don't NEED an amp but I get a slight hiss in high gain when i'm using my midi keyboard.
Are the Fidelio X2s the best in that price range?
I am looking for those cheap good sounding aliexpress/dx < that kind of store earbuds I saw here months ago
anybody know wich I mean?
>>53681462
Piston 3's are good ali express buds,or KZ ED9's..
>>53681300
AKG Q701 or Beyerdynamic DT880 250 ohm. If you want to invest as much as >>53681345 suggests, you shouldn't get a headphone, you should simply get a pair of JBL lsr 305, which surrely are more neutral and cheaper and better than the HD600.
>>53681452
Any external DAC should work then. Maybe look at a cheap Asus Xonar?
>>53681454
Yes, if your music library only contains trance/rap/Biber-tier tracks.
>>53681483
>KZ ED9
I believe those are the ones! thank you so much
>>53681487
Should I also invest in a dac? If so, which?
Also what's the difference between the massdrop AKGs and the Q701?
>>53681366
>still no responses even in new thread
/g/ pls
>>53681504
w-well I kinda like EDM
>>53681519
>dac
Only if your pc sound chip sounds like shit. Get an AMP if you need one.
>>53681519
>Should I also invest in a dac?
No.
> Also what's the difference between the massdrop AKGs and the Q701?
Q701 are cheaper and they are always available.
>>53681320
ODAC is too expensive? Head 'n' Hifi?
>>53681300
X2 if bassy is what you want. Kind of hard to say how strong you perceive the bass response on those. To me it sounds downright boomy. HD 600 is imo the best you could do for the budget but I'm unsure whether the bass is strong enough given the description. HD 518s have more bass than HD 600 but HD 518s have the bass focused on the higher range of bass making it sound boomy/muddy.
>>53681377
O2 is an amplifier, ODAC is a DAC.
>>53681403
Yet in the budget and seems to fit the description.
>>53681366
define as cheap as possible please
headfi still sees 150 dollars as cheap while youtube says 20 dollar as cheap
>>53681538
Then the X2 is fair enough.
>>53681548
Isn't the Q701 and K701 the same?
>>53681529
The problem is that you will need good bass since you listen to baroque/organ music. It's tough to get cheap headphones with good (not to be confused with lots of boomy, bloated) bass.
>>53681548
>Q701 are cheaper and they are always available.
WAKE ME UP INSIDE
>>53681549
>Yet in the budget and seems to fit the description.
I read it as up to but not quite at $500. If he didn't want to spend $400 dollars he would have used $400 instead of $500.
>>53681519
No.
>>53681540
>AMP
It's amp or amplifier.
>>53681487
You recommend two bright sounding headphones for a person disappointed to the lack of bass in HD 518s?
>>53681504
>frequency response for a music genre meme
>>53681581
Technically yes, but some measurements tell a different story.
>>53681601
Q701 are cheaper in US. In Europe you'd better get a K702.
>>53681494
I'm fairly new to all this but wouldn't an external dac+amp override my o2amp making it pointless?
I'm only saying this because pretty much every usb dac besides the jds labs one seems to be an amp as well which I obviously don't need.
>>53681581
If they are I can definitely find a bunch of K701s but not many Q701s... and the Q701 is like $60-70 more
>>53681553
Let's say I paid only £166 for my Thinkpad, and it's top tier hardware. So I'm really not willing to pay much proportionally to that just for a pair of headphones.
>>53681583
What would be the reasonable baseline of entry for a reasonable pair of headphoens with decent bass, then?
If anything just to let me know so I can decide if I would do this purchase at all or just stick with my Xiaomi Pistons.
>>53681487
>I don't want to spend more than $20 on my music so no one else should either.
>>53681613
>You recommend two bright sounding headphones for a person disappointed to the lack of bass in HD 518s?
Yes, because HD518 really lacks bass and balance, unlike both Q701 and DT880 which are excellent headphones overall. Their brightness isn't a real problem for <18 people.
>>53681616
>>53681621
I've read so many say that they're the same yet the Q701 seems to have a lot more bass
>>53681640
I was just saying that if he wants to invest more money on valuable audio products, he should buy good speakers instead of overpriced headphones.
>>53681690
Oh, you're that faggot. I don't think we need to go into the benefits of good headphones again as I'm sure you plan on dragging your speakers to the public library.
>>53681688
Q701 shows different measurements from K701 also on Goldenears, which is also a good source for FR graphs.
>>53681632
Unlike your Thinkpad, audio gear doesn't get old.
Takstar Hi2050 maybe?
>>53681667
HD 518 has abundance of bass but I agree about the balance.
>Their brightness isn't a real problem for <18 people.
?
>>53681632
The cheapest headphones I can think that have good bass and worthy of recommendation is the DT770 which generally runs for $200.
>>53681704
So do you usually bring your HD600 or any other open headphones with you when you visit public libraries? I guess that you should reconsider your conception of faggotry.
Thank god. I got the TH-X00. For 500 fucking dollars ;-;
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/fostex-x-massdrop-th-x00-purpleheart-headphones
Should I stay in? It's so much money.
I have a hd650, will it be a massive upgrade?
>>53681744
>I have a hd650, will it be a massive upgrade?
It's a downgrade from where I sit at. Your money.
>>53681494
Installing a sound card like that would be ideal if it stays silent at high volume and doesn't overide my o2 as my amp. Would that be the case?
>>53681713
>Unlike your Thinkpad, audio gear doesn't get old.
That's some marketing bullshit right there.
Any tech gets old.
>>53681740
>So do you usually bring your HD600 or any other open headphones with you when you visit public libraries?
I usually wear my MA750s IEMs currently. I used to take my SE515 and/or my HD25 II-1. Unlike you, I actually like to have my music with me outside of my home.
>>53681713
I'm the guy with the 518s that asked for advice. The bass doesn't sound good and that's probably why I feel like they lack bass.
listen to this please https://youtu.be/INMZCX8-iQ4?t=258
does the sound get distorted as shit right there just for me? i have this as .flac and it still sounds shit right there.
>>53681265
>-- PLEASE USE THIS FORM TO GET PURCHASE ADVICE --
> implying I want purchase advice
shill, pl0x
>>53681744
A simple and cheaper pair of monitor speakers like JBL lsr305 sounds better than both of them and any other headphone above 250 £/$. There's literally no reason to invest more than 200$/£ on headphones.
>>53681761
>Installing a sound card
Asus Xonar makes externals too.
>doesn't overide my o2 as my amp.
How would it override your o2? Your o2 will amplifiy the analog signal regardless if the analog comes from your onboard, tv, etc.
>>53681763
old doesnt mean bad tho
some old stuff was simply better but too expensive to reproduce
>>53681760
really? From what i've heard the x00 is comparable to the th-900 which is $1900 and supposedly is a more fun headphone than the hd800.
please talk me out of this im going to have to sell my blood
>>53681779
>content is not available in your country.
Got a different youtube link?
>>53681813
https://youtu.be/_8KTHVKf_aU?t=136
if you think it's the file format. buy it with $0 and try the flac. https://macross82-99.bandcamp.com/
>>53681787
Ok thanks, I actually would prefer to put a sound card in my pc hidden away and just have my amp sitting on it's own instead of having a stack, would you recommend that asus card then?, will it be silent with the volume cranked up near max?, if so i'll buy it right now.
>>53681764
I frankly don't care about your ear-dildos and this has nothing to do with what >>53681300 was asking for.
>>53681779
I hear no distortion at all. This sounds great on my K702.
>>53681879
fug. this sounds awful on my 518s. sounds like they're about to die.
>>53681879
>I frankly don't care about your ear-dildos
I'd say that frankly you don't care about headphones.
>this has nothing to do with what >>53681300 was asking for.
It does if you are spreading misinformation like not spending more than $20 on headphones because you stay in your basement all the time.
>>53681928
I want his headphone but I dont like the stupid meme limited edition bs
>>53681853
Not the guy you responded to but thanks for the link, the soundtrack is cool.
>>53681894
Maybe. Some parts of that track have a huge amount of bass though, especially in the sub-bass region.
>>53681916
Stop derailing the thread if you can't argument properly. I said that paying almost 400$ on a HD600 is simply ridiculous, considering that JBL lsr305 are cheaper and perform much better.
>>53681300
>FiiO E11k and Sennheisers 518
i had this exact setup and even without the bass boost i though i had a lot of bass
>>53681928
That's what I'm saying.
SOMEONE ANSWER THIS BEFORE THEY TAKE MY 500.
On one hand people are raving that it's their favorite headphone and comparable to the TH-900 which is 1300 on amazon. And i need a slightly closed headphone for living in the same room as gf.
On the other hand tfw 500 dollars after tax and it ships in august.
TH-X00 > HD650 ? Going through Xonar STX and Schiit amp i cant remember the name of
>>53681973
i might go full anime and buy the K701s or K702s.
>>53681992
I think this guy is right >>53681980 the bass is fucked in the sub-bass region
>>53681980
>I don't like your argument therefore it isn't a proper argument
>JBL lsr305 are cheaper and perform much better.
Which is why they are popular and regularly suggested around here?
>>53681928
Spending more than 300$ on headphones is pointless. You can get great monitor speakers at that price, which surely sound better than that overpriced crap.
>>53682023
They're not suggested here simply because they're speakers. Everyone that has a little knowledge of speakers recommends them. You can stop posting now and do the community a favour.
for traveling and just chilling not too hard to drive
should I get IEMs (thinking about soundmagic or something)
or should I get one of those on ear beyerdynamics?
ffs
or just lightweight overears goddamnit
>>53681763
Yes tech and anything usable wears out. However the standards of good audio reproduction and high fidelity don't suddenly move away from what they are now. A good pair of headphones might outlast you and be perfectly fine a long time from here unlike your PC which you likely will be upgrading in a few years. There's no such thing in audio and that was my point. I'm not trying to market you any specific headphone or brand and suggested you something cheap as you wanted.
>>53681804
>>53681996
Can you see the subjective factor here?
I'm not here to tell what to do with your money. I also can't tell what is the response you enjoy the most. For me it's neutral but for you it might be something else. For me the most "fun" response(I don't look at frequency response this way) is neutral yet the word "fun" is often used to describe headphones with a specifically colored response such as the TH-900's. And the TH-900 is bad in my opinion. From the graphs it looks like the TH-X00 is all around better than the TH-900 but still similar with its bassy response. HD 650 is more neutral and the response is more even all around hence why I like it more. It's also open, lighter and I like velour pads.
If I were you I'd first figure out what is it that you actually enjoy/want the most and then make a purchase. We can help out. First thing to get started: ignore price points. They are not indicative of anything.
>ships in august.
kek
>>53681928
Dude you just UNLOCKED them. Pick up that loot for just $50 more than the last edition.
>>53682046
>They're not suggested here simply because they're speakers
Wow! Good job realizing you are comparing apples to oranges, or speakers to headphones.
>>53682155
It's a totally legit comparison, especially when someone is going to blow money for an overpriced product. Aren't speakers and headphones built for the same purposes after all?
>>53682079
Sell everything except E10K, get HE-560s and give it a rest. No reason to downgrade into those other things or to keep the rest of that crap lying around.
>>53682190
>Aren't speakers and headphones built for the same purposes after all?
To a point.
>>53682087
>If I were you I'd first figure out what is it that you actually enjoy/want the most and then make a purchase. We can help out. First thing to get started: ignore price points. They are not indicative of anything.
A+ response. Yes, totally subjective.
The reason I'm looking into this is that they're colored, I'm looking for something a little more fun than the 650s as I mostly listen to shitty music like rap, pop, metal, and fast electronic. I'll also play games on them. All of those really rely on a bass response I don't feel is quite there with my 650s. But really, I don't know much about how to look at readings to determine the sound signature of the headphone.
I was looking into some JVC that were essentially head sub-woofers, for reference.
The fact that they're semi closed makes it pretty ideal too, I don't like fully closed headphones because people can't really break you from your game or whatever when you can't hear anything else. i also talk loudly, so if i don't have feedback from the rest of the world, I'll disturb live in gf.
When she goes to bed earlier it's hard for me to listen to anything or play games because of the completely open nature of the 650s.
My concerns mostly lie on price and value vs the 650. This seems like a great way to get a higher end can for a lower price. "well if I don't like them, I can sell it on ebay for the same price or more" is a somewhat big factor.
here's some readings of measurements i don't understand at all: http://www.superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/fostex-th-x00-measurements-and-subjective-impressions.623/
tl;dr I think the cans are what I'm looking for with what I'll be using them for and the appeal of a semi closed headphone appeals to me. it's also a rare opportunity for me to even think of upgrading from the jack of all trades 650
>>53681784
Above $1000 too.
>>53682244
Yeah, but >>53682218 refuses to understand such a simple thing.
>>53682244
just wondering
are you black? I rarely see black waifus unless the person itself is black or got some ebony fetish
>>53682018
you mean the track or the headphones?
>>53682278
No. Besides she's just a 'waifu' in the old sense of the term. Not the 'have dinner with her daki and obsess over her night and day' sense.
>>53682299
the headphones.the track is full on vaporwave i think
>>53682409
im using the HD598 they have the same drive as the HD518 but are more open and more neutral, the bass sound ok, but not much detailed, you can try listen to the track with foobar and some EQ
>>53682277
I'm >>53682218 and that was my first post on the matter. Do you really not see how headphones might be beneficial in some situations vs loudspeakers? I never go into the price point discussion because it has such loose correlation to sound quality, if any.
>>53682501
>the bass sound ok, but not much detailed
> HD598
You said it all. The bass in that track sounds good, the sub-bass is overly pronounced in many parts though.
>>53682538
k
>>53682538
Strictly speaking sound, the only benefits headphones can have are
- low details being easier to hear due to ambient noise being less of an issue and the drivers being so close to your ears
- can get below 40Hz without buying a sub
- intimacy, speakers are going to be much more diffuse by nature, if you really want to crank the volume and make it loud it's easier to go about it with headphones
At least IME. Everything else, loudspeakers have going for them.
>>53682607
JBL lsr305 don't need a sub
>>53682569
im kinda a noob and dont have much experience with frequencies please tell me one part of the track where the sub bass is more present
>>53682625
They can very well benefit from one, I don't have the LSR310S myself but they wouldn't make it for no reason.
LSR305 on their own are effectively going to get you down to around 45Hz, the sub could get you down do 27Hz.
>>53681505
No problem, I own both and I prefer the KZ's, they come with two nozzle types, normal and extra bass. I'm pretty sure the extra bass ones already come attached so take those off and put the non bass ones on, they sound much cleaner and have enough bass as it is.
>>53682639
here >>53681779
Strong kicks from 0:00 to 1:06 for example
Strong kicks and low notes from 2:40 onward, and a bit of distortion here at 3:37. Consider that I'm using a K702, which fortunately doesn't
boost low bass. The mids are still as clear as
a sunny sky to me.
>>53682538
>Do you really not see how headphones might be beneficial in some situations vs loudspeakers?
No, he cannot. I wouldn't suggest you go into it. Even when it came to pointing out how you cannot take speakers into a library he posted a picture a private library versus a public library.
>>53682239
>But really, I don't know much about how to look at readings to determine the sound signature of the headphone.
That only comes with experience with both measurements and first hand listening of different sound signatures. Equalizer is your friend here if you can't get your hands on multiple different sounding headphones to listen them back to back. EQ is also your friend at tuning the HD 650s into more of your liking.
>I was looking into some JVC that were essentially head sub-woofers, for reference.
HA-SZ1000/2000? They are awful, stay away. They aren't even good with the bass, just extreme amount of midbass. I have no idea who decided to start shilling for them.
Many semi-open headphones leak just as much as open backs. TH-X00 is not semi open, it's closed with average isolation. Others will not be hearing what you are listening at but it won't block out noise completely.
>not changstar measurements
Yes exactly the same graphs I based my opinion on them. That's a nicee set of measurements for a bassy over-ear headphone and all around better than the Fostex headphones these are supposed to be a copy/replacement of.
In your case I see a "sidegrade" with a bonus of added isolation/lack of leakage for uses around others.
>>53682607
-Immune to position, no problems with directivity
-Sound quality not dependent on the room acoustics
-Personal audio, listening without bothering anyone else
>>53682625
Except when the music you are listening to has fundamentals below 45 Hz.
>>53682757
>Immune to position
Very susceptible to position on head, people who measure headphones know this.
>Sound quality not dependent on the room acoustics
Really only matters for frequencies below 600Hz and you have to have a really, really shitty room for it to be a big concern.
>Personal audio, listening without bothering anyone else
You can't rely on this argument when the majority of us are using open headphones.
>>53682784
>the majority of us are using open headphones.
Appeal to popularity. Please present a valid argument.
>>53682817
We're talking audiophile market, not your average consumer buying Earpods or Beats.
>>53682830
Your arbitrary limitation of scope does not make your previous argument any less invalid. We have no way of determining what the majority of purchase are made. Even if your statement is accurate it is based upon a popular opinion rather than any objective standard, ie. just because a thousand people jump off a bridge does not make it less retarded. Please present a valid argument.
>>53682857
You're trying to imply that the majority use closed headphones and hence the isolation and use in public aspects are valid arguments against speakers and for headphones.
What I'm saying is, because such a large number of people use open headphones, it's an invalid argument you're presenting.
>>53682871
>it's an invalid argument you're presenting.
Especially in this context**
I mean the fact that you have to resort to the room acoustics boogeyman scare tactic already shows how backed up into a corner you are.
>>53682871
>You're trying to imply that the majority use closed headphones
Pointing out your argument is invalid (not be confused with wrong) does not mean I assumed the opposite position. Stop being retarded.
>because such a large number of people use open headphones, it's an invalid argument you're presenting.
It's not my argument and two that's a different argument entirely as there are various circumstances that can be discussed, such as low volume non-leakage, choice of listening environments (library anyone?), etc. where the benefit of not bothering anyone even with open headphones is valid, etc.
Your rejection is completely lacking in objective value and thus invalid.
>>53682931
You presented the counterpoint
>-Personal audio, listening without bothering anyone else
As I said it's not valid because not all headphones do this and heck, it wasn't even relevant to all the points I made which were strictly related to sound quality.
Hey guys, haven't posted here in months.
What are some decent portable headphones for around 50-80$ that I can use for commuting?
I'd been using the IEMs in pic related but they finally broke.
>>53682959
check op for requesting purchasing advice
>>53682959
>Tachyon
Good man.
>>53682952
>You presented the counterpoint
No, I did not. Some other anon posted that. Your first two responses were valid arguments but your third was not. Thus I responded only to the third invalid argument as a different poster.
Now I expect you will continue to disregard these words even after it has been twice explained to you that I am a different poster.
> not valid because not all headphones
Yes, all headphones do that if you use even open headphones in a smart manner. Thus why I presented two circumstances which you completely disregarded. I'll no present a third one which I expect you will also disregard.
Do you know why headphones sales are so popular in Japan? Because housing there usually uses cheap, thin walls and any speakers used will bother the neighbors. Even open headphones are a better choice over speakers for those with thin walls.
>>53682784
Ok >>53682757 here.
>Very susceptible to position on head, people who measure headphones know this.
Only above 6 kHz or so with headphones unless you lose seal which will affect bass response. Headphones tend to sit very snug on your head and some models have plenty enough clamp to never even move unintentionally hence losing seal is unlikely in practice but a trickier thing in measurements. The treble response is an individual thing and not something actively changing when wearing a set of headphones either(although you tend to position them a bit differently every time).
What I was referring to was a bit different. With loudspeakers every time you move around you alter the entire response radically which is not what happens with headphones. Just tilting your head, looking in another direction, rolling your chair etc has an immediate and audible effect on the response. It's especially apparent on a set of loudspeakers in nearfield which are focused into one "sweet spot". Even with the excellent off axis response of LSR305 and diffuse sound field it's going to alter the response.
>Really only matters for frequencies below 600Hz and you have to have a really, really shitty room for it to be a big concern.
"Frequencies below 600 Hz" is a huge part of the response and the room response is often massive, up to tens of dBs from an anechoic on-axis response. This matters less in nearfield listening but it's still a thing. Also the room echoes are a problem in all untreated rooms regardless of the loudspeakers.
>You can't rely on this argument when the majority of us are using open headphones.
Still far less bothersome than a set of loudspeakers. I live in an apartment and can't exactly blast out my loudspeakers late at night but nobody ever is going to complain about my headphones.
>>53682980
It's gonna be the same that I just said but, whatever.
>Budget
0-80$
>Location
Gonna be buying in 'muriga
>Source
Huawei Nexus 6P
>Preferred type of headphone
Guess it'll have to be on-ear since I want something more portable than a pair of HD598s.
>Open or closed
Closed.
>Comfort level
Anything that's not gonna make my ears hurt works.
>Preferred tonal balance
Something neutral or warm would be best.
>Preferred music
>>53682959
>Past headphones
>>53682959
>>53683004
>mention Japan for absolutely no reason other than trying to pretend you have some sort of knowledge on it
Contain your wapanese, please.
>>53683011
>Also the room echoes are a problem in all untreated rooms regardless of the loudspeakers.
This scare tactic needs to stop. Trying to convince people they need $15,000 in acoustic treatment just to use loudspeakers at all is a terrible way to push headphones on them.
Anyone who can afford to use both (not just cost-wise, but surroundings and sound leakage) will tell you that they use their speakers more often, guaranteed. Treated or untreated room.
>>53683073
>Contain your wapanese, please.
Now there's a compelling argument and on point.
>>53683011
See? I told you he was a closed-minded faggot.
>>53683089
>implies people shouldn't bother with loudspeakers
>calls someone else closed-minded
Alright.
>>53682959
>sweet Yanagi Nagi
My nigga
>>53683129
>>implies people shouldn't bother with loudspeakers
Pointing out your misinformation of comparing speakers to headphones is just as retarded as comparing apples to oranges does not imply people shouldn't bother with speakers. Especially since I have a 5.1 system with a 1000w RMS subwoofer that cost five times my headphones.
I'd suggest you stop being retarded but I'm done wasting my words on you.
>>53683177
The entire point that even sparked this was that the LSR305 or something along those lines is a better buy as opposed to any headphone at any price above the price of the LSR305.
And it's not incorrect. I wasn't even making that point, I just agreed with it.
>>53683177
On another point I'd love to see this amazing 5.1 setup you're clearly proud of.
>>53683206
>The entire point that even sparked this was that the LSR305 or something along those lines is a better buy
No, the entire point that sparked this was your idiotic claim that headphones above a couple of hundred bucks isn't worth it. Stop trying to revise your misinformation.
>>53683068
difference being now we know where you live and what sound profile you prefer
I'd say get a used - like new pair of 7506 on amazon.com
it's selling for $75.00 + $4.99 shipping, seller just started but if he pulls a fast one amazon WILL take your side on this shit
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000AJIF4E?m=A33Y9YG07CT73X&ref_=v_sp_widget_detail_page
It's light, it's well built, it's high quality and it's pretty portable. However, it's neutral to bright, not neutral to bassy
alternatively, if you can drop the portability thing, get XPT100, they're 80 bucks new and they're the sound profile you want
>>53683073
>This scare tactic needs to stop.
I said it's a problem. Was I wrong? Ever done an in-room loudspeaker measurement or seen a graph of one? And regarding the reflections, CSD graph of an average untreated room looks downright nasty.
>Trying to convince people they need $15,000 in acoustic treatment just to use loudspeakers at all is a terrible way to push headphones on them.
Who was the idiot who said that?
And for the record I prefer loudspeakers over headphones. That doesn't stop me from being objective about their pros and cons and what you need to make each sound good. From my experience a set of loudspeakers in an untreated room and without any equalization are going to sound awful in the lower octaves and lacking detail. Nearfied is easier because the sound power of the direct wavefront is considerably higher compared to the reflections but the room response in bass is still a problem.
>>53683248
That wasn't my claim at all. You can gladly link the post where I claimed that.
>>53683243
Here's an old picture of my battle station (subwoofer and satellites not are not in it of course).
>>53683274
The best PC...in the world.
>>53683274
>five times my headphones
Did your headphones cost $20?
>>53683272
>That wasn't my claim at all.
See >>53681487
>If you want to invest as much as >>53681345 suggests, you shouldn't get a headphone
>>53683274
>just put a normal monitor on it's side with the foot stand and all to have a profile layout monitor
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST THIS IS MAKING ME PISSED
>>53683287
No, my 5.1 system cost a little over $3k.
>>53683304
Yeah, it was an old suggest me solutions pic from about six years ago.
>>53683292
>>53683306
You fucked up.
>>53682757
Thanks for the input.
I'm keeping the order, as i feel like my current system isn't driving the 650s properly and the x00 seems to be much easier to drive. I don't want to upgrade my Schiit or STX.
I've tried EQing it to death on the STX but it always just sounds incredibly strange on anything other than neutral.
>>53683326
U wut m8? Are you still being retarded and confusing pointing out your idiocy about not buying headphones above a certain amount isn't worth it as suggesting not buying speakers?
>>53683385
oy mate, you saw the x00 went on sale?
some different type tho, rosewood or some shit
get them quick if they're not out yet
seems like it's purpleheart, and there's 170 left
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/fostex-x-massdrop-th-x00-purpleheart-headphones
shit started like 6 hours ago, so you best buy one soon lad
>>53683421
I see your reading comprehension is about as good as your purchase decisions. That Best Buy 5.1 system needs to go.
>>53683444
Oh. I get it. Now that you've got nothing you are resorting to trolling.
Stop being a faggot and grow up.
>>53683478
Did you really lose so hard you're resorting to pretending to be retarded?
This post >>53683421 was already beyond retarded but it looks like you've got nothing left but to go deeper.
>>53683436
I've been all up in this thread discussing whether or not they're better than my 650s haha
>>53681744
>>53681804
>>53682239
current opinion is that the isolation is worth a lot to me, and the schiit magni + Xonar STX might not be enough to drive my HD650s which is why I've been disappointed. I don't really want to replace my amp or the soundcard, plus the headphone seems a lot more fun and V/U shaped and is closer to EDM/HipHop/Games than the 650s are.
>>53683506
>you've got nothing left but to go deeper.
I've got nothing after >>53683326 because that post has nothing but vague allegations. Now would you like to explain what you meant in >>53683326 or am I correct in that you are posting shit simply to troll?
I have a K702 right now with a FiiO E10k. I'm currently looking into maybe getting a different amp & dac, price range is max $400.
would it make sense to invest in a new amp&dac or rather upgrade my headphones?
>>53683532
For one I was proving that I was not the person making the 'claims' as you're trying so hard to push this allegation.
Secondly if what is in that photo is really your 'just over $3k 5.1 system', or at least part of it, then what I meant in that post is exactly how it reads. You fucked up, big time.
>>53683557
>For one I was proving that I was not the person making the 'claims' as you're trying so hard to push this allegation.
Right. You quoted the latter part of the same thread as your own post but quoting the previous sentence isn't from the same post.
>Secondly if what is in that photo is really your 'just over $3k 5.1 system', or at least part of it, then what I meant in that post is exactly how it reads. You fucked up, big time.
Repeating yourself is not an explanation, retard. I suggest you explain how it was a mistake to buy that hardware nearly ten years ago.
>>53683594
You could have bought a good 2.1 system for that money instead of a shit 5.1 system. Ad hominem won't help you here.
>>53683616
>You could have bought a good 2.1 system for that money
How is a 2.1 system better than a 5.1 system?
>>53683658
>strawman
I'm looking for some sort of headphone-like object that I can carry around in my pocket with me, but I also dislike having my earpussies penetrated.
Are there any earbuds shaped like pic related that don't sound like tin cans?
>>53683542
I'm not sure but I would guess that you would want a stronger amp/dac if you upgrade from the 702's, maybe the odac but that combined with more expensive headphones is a lot more money expensive than what you currently own.
>>53683694
>You could have bought a good 2.1 system . . . instead of a shit 5.1 system.
Are you claiming I have a shit 5.1 system and included the 2.1 system for no purpose whatsoever?
Or are you now trying to deny what you retardedly posted after its retardedness was pointed out to you?
Stop being a faggot and grow up.
>>53683732
I'm claiming for the money you spend on a shit 5.1 system you could have bought a good 2.1 system you utter retard. Your reading comprehension is phenomenally bad or you're doing this on purpose.
If I want to upgrade in any meaningful way from my HD598's, am I gonna need an amp?
>>53683749
>>53683732
This is the dumbest argument I've seen on /g/, and let me tell you, I've seen a few.
>fell for the beats by dre meem
Returning these immediately. I don't know what I was thinking. I've got $200 coming back my way; what headphones does /g/ recommend? I checked the wiki, but it hasn't been updated since 2009.
Help.
>>53683770
Fuck off tripcancer. You've been on 4chan a whole week, don't even talk.
>>53683749
>I'm claiming for the money you spend on a shit 5.1 system you could have bought a good 2.1 system you utter retard.
You do not know what my subwoofer is and I doubt that you know what my speakers are so I am fairly certain your determination of my 5.1 system being "shit" is baseless. This leaves but one conclusion you consider all 5.1 systems to be worse than 2.1 systems. Thus why I asked previously:
>How is a 2.1 system better than a 5.1 system?
Now would you like to explain how my 5.1 system is shit or am I correct in assuming you are a retard who considers 2.1 systems somehow superior to 5.1 systems?
>>53683385
>I've tried EQing it to death on the STX but it always just sounds incredibly strange on anything other than neutral.
You should learn how to use a parametric equalizer like EQ APO.
>>53683757
Depends on the headphones.
>>53683542
>would it make sense to invest in a new amp&dac or rather upgrade my headphones?
No.
>>53683770
We get plenty of these here. Take some loudspeaker measurements everyone.
>>53683773
http://pastebin.com/hjHkKDyM
>>53683770
You've also posted quite a few as well. I wouldn't go slinging stones if I was you.
>>53683789
>This leaves but one conclusion you consider all 5.1 systems to be worse than 2.1 systems
This is where your brain hemorrhage comes in.
>am I correct in assuming you are a retard who considers 2.1 systems somehow superior to 5.1 systems?
Of course you're not correct in assuming something that isn't being implied, at all.
Or maybe you're trying to imply that all 5.1 systems are better than 2.1 systems just because there are 5 speakers.
>>53683806
> No.
was that a "No" to both? as I said, my initial limit is $400 but if I do find anything that is worth it, i'd probably be willing to pay $600
>>53683780
Yeah, I cracked this tripcode just for this week's use. You caught me.
>>53683773
>http://pastebin.com/hjHkKDyM
>Budget
$200-$250
>Location
United states
>Source
Flac & wav files. I'm listening to archived music from exact audio copy.
>Preferred type of headphone
Earbuds or headphones are fine. Those beats by dre headphones made my ears sweat after awhile though. Open to any new headphones since this will probably be my first "real" pair.
>Open or closed
I could go either way
>Comfort level
Maximum
>Preferred tonal balance
Not sure what this means, but I want the music to sound as natural to the source material as is reasonable.
>Preferred music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTuMK-ZMPVY
>Past headphones
had some Sure headphones years back which were great, but they constantly fell out of my big ears.
>>53683833
I mean it doesn't make sense to put more money into your amplifier and DA-converter if you want an improvement in sound quality and aren't having problems with your FiiO.
>>53683815
>Of course you're not correct in assuming something that isn't being implied, at all.
You have yet to provide a plausible alternative.
>you're trying to imply that all 5.1 systems are better than 2.1 systems
All? Of course not. That would be retarded. A $100 amazon special is not going to be as good as a 2.1 component made from high spec components.
However you have no idea what my components are yet consider them to be shit. I guess I should not be surprised that you would try to project your retardation on others.
Now, would you like to identify my components and validate your conclusion of my "shit 5.1 system" or provide an alternative explanation for your posting? No? I thought not.
>>53683859
What would be the next step up from the K702 then?
>>53683863
>A $100 amazon *5.1 special is not going to be as good as a 2.1 system made from high spec components.
>>53683863
Again, throw your Best Buy system in the trash. The design of the floor standers plus the size of the drivers speaks for itself.
Probably a stupid question:
Is it worth it to upgrade to ATH-M50X if I have a logitech g35 headset? i want to buy a proper headset and not some gaming shit.
Also what mic is good for skyping and such?
>>53683877
That's up to you as it depends on what you want. I could think of cheaper and better headphones than the K702 but that's me. Better fill in the template or specify. Otherwise you are asking others what they themselves like more.
>>53683858
>http://pastebin.com/hjHkKDyM
>what are you plugging these into
My PC's headphone jack.
>Open or closed
I live next to a street & will be using these at home, so there is outside background noise I deal with on a regular basis.
>Would you be willing to accept less comfortable headphones if it meant better sound quality?
Depends on how uncomfortable they would get.
That should cover most of it.
>>53683887
> the size of the drivers
Driver size determines sound quality for small to mid sized room speakers? [citation needed]
>>53683542
There's no point in upgrading amp/dac and there's no point in spending more than what you paid for the K702 for a new headphone. The only worthy upgrade over a K702 in terms of sound quality is a monitor/flat speaker. I suggest JBL lsr305.
>>53683946
Could have bought an Ikon Mk2 5.1 system for around that price and instead you got that garbage.
You're not even qualified to speak about loudspeakers.
>>53683858
>>53683934
Going to return these glorified bass only headphones, will be checking back in an hour or so. Hopefully the topic doesn't die by then.
Anyone, thanks in advance. Hopefully I get a couple of suggestions when I get back.
>>53683946
You did not answer the question.
>Could have bought an Ikon Mk2 5.1 system for around that price
Back in 2007? And I wouldn't have gotten my much better Velodyne subwoofer.
>You're not even qualified to speak about loudspeakers.
Because loudspeakers is what is needed for a 250 sq.ft room, amirite?
>>53683958
Whoops. See >>53683992
Oh, and I still wait for you to identify what I _did_ get that you clearly believe your suggestion is better than. I kind of gave half of it away with the subwoofer.
>>53683923
>Budget
~$600
>Location
Germany
>Source
FiiO E10k
>Preferred type of headphone
full-sized
>Open or closed
open
>Comfort level
very comfortable as I wear them for at least 5 hours a day, most of the times without putting them down
>Preferred music
Various genres like classic music (especially piano), aneymoo OST (also orchestra most of the time), "things posted on SuicideSheep YT channel" (not via yt tho)
>Past headphones
HyperX Cloud
Beyerdynamic MMX300
AKG K702
>>53683913
If it's for gaming, the ath m50x aren't my first choice especially for fps. Id probably recommend Takstar Hi2050 or some Superlux 668b.
>>53683992
>Velodyne
Hahaha holy shit.
>I kind of gave half of it away with the subwoofer.
Dropped half of it on an overpriced sub and spent the rest of it on 5 terrible speakers.
Again, you're not close to being qualified to talk about loudspeakers, you don't even know what good ones sound like.
>>53683958
Oh, and thank you for suggesting a speaker with the same size drivers . . . right after you criticized the size of the drivers. 6.5" to be precise.
>You're not even qualified to speak about loudspeakers.
Oh the delicious irony.
>>53684028
>Hahaha holy shit.
Just because you're cheap doesn't mean something is overpriced. In fact, most every review I'm aware of considers Velodyne's mid-tier products to be cheaper than their actual worth. So if that is your contetion:
[citation needed]
>>53684028
>terrible speakers.
If you do not even know what make and model speakers they are, how do you justify claiming they are terrible?
>>53684042
>>53684088
>anecdotes
>asks for citation after using terrible subjective opinions to justify purchase
Genuinely surprised you had the balls to post your shit setup because you've only hurt your argument. Before there was actually a chance of you having something good.
>>53684008
Can I ask, why weren't you satisfied with the 702/e10k combo, especially for that type of music?
>>53684012
No its mostly for music
>>53684111
>>anecdotes
You claim that speakers are terrible without any idea of what kind of speakers they are.
Oh the irony.
>asks for citation after using terrible subjective opinions
Your opinion is clearly superior to everyone else's.
on a more important topic, how do you deal with the emptiness of not having a qt sissy bf in stockings and see through panties in your arms purring and and begging to be bred /g/?
>>53683858
akg q701/k701/k702
I think the q701 black is on sale for 175 now on amazon.
>>53684107
>look like trashy Panasonic speakers from Best Buy
>good in any way
>>53684008
HD 600 maybe.
>>53684008
Invest that money for a speaker system instead of a more expensive headphone.
>>53684207
>Panasonic speakers
Did you just go by Best Buy's website and pick the first maker that came up under speakers?
>>53684246
No but only trashy brands like that and the super budget Polk line would use a cheap glass base on their floorstanders.
>>53684008
Pay not attention to the speaker fag. He has no idea what he talks about but considers himself an expert all the same. Half of this thread and at least two anons have pointed out his retardedness.
>>53684121
They do feel to be on the "cold" side sometimes.
>>53684235
Speakers are no option for me.
>>53684257
>No but only trashy brands like that and the super budget Polk line would use a cheap glass base on their floorstanders.
I think you might find a lot of metal housed floor stands use a glass base.
>>53684309
Then keep the K702 and tone 2 khz and 5 khz down by 4-5 dB through apo EQ.
>>53684350
Even Polk's cheap RM series didn't do this.
>>53684371
will try that. thanks.
>>53684396
I believe I said "metal" not "composite" enclsoure.
>>53684440
I'm not well versed in the cheap, Best Buy range of 5.1 systems, as you can see. You'll have to educate me on those speakers.
>>53684459
>I'm not well versed in the cheap
I don't know of any manufacturer of speakers that make cheap speakers in metal. Usually they are wood or composite.
>You'll have to educate me on those speakers.
You are finally admitting your ignorance yet maintaining your belief they are cheap?
>>53684514
>$400 per speaker
>not cheap
I'll stick to my FE168EZ kits, you enjoy your cheap Best Buy garbage.
>>53684537
>>$400 per speaker
Because the satellites are going to cost as much as the fronts, amirite?
>You're not even qualified to speak about loudspeakers.
There's your 2.1 is better than 5.1 idiocy again.
need some earphones around $40 since my current one's broke. I sweat a lot when i work out/run so i want something that won't fall off my ears when i sweat. Any recommendations?
>>53684567
>There's your 2.1 is better than 5.1 idiocy again.
Why are you making things up again? For the same price, you're going to get more for your money with a 2.1 vs 5.1. This is basic math.
>>53684587
>Why are you making things up again?
Still awaiting your plausible alternative explanation rather than your repeated denial.
>you're going to get more for your money with a 2.1 vs 5.1.
Again, just because you are cheap doesn't mean there are not benefits to spending more than the bare minimum.
>>53684626
>Again, just because you are cheap doesn't mean there are not benefits to spending more than the bare minimum.
You're changing the goalposts and throwing out so much strawman, how many other logical fallacies are you going to reach for? More ad hominem?
>>53684190
>q701
These? They says they're $304 off. Any particular reason to choose these?
>>53684645
Forgot the link.
http://www.amazon.com/AKG-Signature-Reference-Class-Premium-Headphones/dp/B004444O3W?ie=UTF8&keywords=q701&qid=1458944781&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1
>>53684639
>You're changing the goalposts
That word.
You continue to claim I misunderstand what you stated but have yet to clarify what you actually meant. I've invited you at least twice before to provide further explanation and all I get is repetition as if somehow an plausible alternative will fall from the sky or I'm supposed to read your mind.
Would you like to clarify what you meant or am I right to assume you have not plausible alternative explanation other than some retarded belief that 2.1 is superior to 5.1?
>>53684684
>Would you like to clarify what you meant or am I right to assume you have not plausible alternative explanation other than some retarded belief that 2.1 is superior to 5.1?
Are you going to continue to misunderstand and strawman or are you actually going to address what was said?
>>53684645
You said you wanted "natural" sounding headphones. They are neutral sounding open headphones and on sale. Might need an amp to power therm. You should probably do a little more research but they should be a good fit.
>>53684695
>Are you going to continue to misunderstand
So it is established that you understand that I am not reading what you meant correctly.
>you actually going to address what was said?
It's kind of hard to address what you mean if after you clearly admit I don't understand what you meant and you refuse to clarify.
Are you expecting me to read your mind?
>>53684746
I am expecting you to be capable of reading my posts. As I clearly expected too much from you, I'll stop bothering now.
anyone know how to equalize
>>53684788
Scuup da mids brah
>>53684788
Yes, you leave it flat.
>>53684788
All depends on the gear you're listening through.
Generally, leave it flat.
>>53684768
>I am expecting you to be capable of reading my posts.
Without any explanation when it is clear I misunderstand what you meant. That's not expecting me to read your mind? Bullshit.
You're just making shit up trying to cover up the fact that you're shit got called.
Has anyone fell for the Takstar meme?
>>53681265
>>53684943
>falling for the external DAC meme
>>53684943
What DAC is that?
>>53684943
what the fuck is that dac dude, come the fuck on
>>53684943
iem?
>>53681265
Reminder to not buy the K612 Pro. They sound harsh and have shitty treble without bass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5bBBpE5-0M
>>53684936
Guess this headphone.
>>53684969
The DAC's cheap-ish and I get a slight hiss on full gain, which I need to power my midi keyboard properly m8, listening to music is fine otherwise.
>>53685126
beats by dre something
>>53685117
>following meme youtube """expert"""
>>53684990
The HiFimeDIY Sabre, £40 from amazon and it's actually on the way still, nearly everyone raves about it and if it's shit i'll return it and remove it from my image lel.
>>53685055
KZ: ED9
They arrive with bass boost nozzles attached, if you buy them remove those and put the standard nozzles on.
>>53685220
>KZ: ED9
holy shit what 12 bucks
>>53683722
Sennheiser mx365? all good tier earbuds and above are in ear
>>53685252
Yeah mine cost uner £10 so that sounds about right, the built quality is VERY good so you will know if you get fakes, I have never heard of ED9 fakes though i'm sure they exist.
>>53683773
Sennheiser hd 598 - Open back
Audio Technica M50x - closed back
>>53684190
not him but whats the difference between these?
>>53684571
Sennheiser cx 685 are the only good workout earbuds under 75$
>>53681581
Q701 apparently has a better upper midrange, with less resonance
>>53685117
Reminder that z reviews doesnt know shit
>>53685750
Nor do you.
>>53685750
Just chiming in here, why doesn't he?, he looks like a fat nerd surrounded by a shit load of good/expensive gear.
Explain why he doesn't know shit, did he call some of your equipment shit?, awww :/
Just got me an msr7. Do I absolutely need a dac? Was looking at the fiio k1.
STOP ME FROM FALLING FOR THE T50RP MOD MEME
>>53686122
It's a meme. You recognize it's a meme. If you still fall for it at this point there is no saving you.
>>53686122
T50RP mod days are long over, even MrSpeakers stopped.
>>53686122
make sure to buy a powerful amp
M50x for first headphone for casual listening. Poorfag
Should i?
>>53686547
For the price, no.
what should i choose ?
Audio Technica Ath-MSR7 or Shure Srh 840
>no amp & dac, don't plan to buy one.
>i listen mostly on my pc and rarely on mobile phone when i travel
>comfort is important
>musically enjoyable sound & non harsh
>i listen to everything but mostly electronica and sometimes hip hop
> not a basshead, i listen to so much ambient , jazz and stuff, but i want it to be tight and accurate
>being durable, i'm gonna keep them for atleast 5 years
>never had a good headphone so it's gonna be my entry point to hi-fi stuff
>>53686926
MSR7
>>53681265
So /g/ I just tested the o2 amp (no dac) vs the e10k, I was told a few weeks ago that I wouldn't notice a difference besides a volume increase, wrong.
Me and my brother could hear a difference straight away, I even did a blind test and ended up stopping the first song after ten seconds, and guessing rightly. The o2 amp clearly has more clarity.
Explain lads.
How do i increase the volume of my headphones over the limit? do i need a amp? or do i download a program?
>>53687217
>I even did a blind test
No you didn't
>>53687410
Yes I did, we both have 702's and we made sure that we couldn't feel the difference physically between the cables etc and we had the volume set on both our computers/players around the same.
The o2 had more clarity than the e10k in a 15 second sample that was mostly vocal. My brother is now selling his e10k to buy the o2 amp, deal with it.
>>53686547
Sony's 7506 or V6 are the king at that price range. ATH M-series is just what people like to echo again and again for some reason. The shitty joints are the dealbreaker for me.
Spend a bit more then probably the AKG K240 for your first taste on open headphones.
>>53687217
>>53687410
Speaking of amps, do gain switches change anything plus the volume or just the volume?
>>53688059
Noise floor.
