Holy shit, just switched form Arch to Gentoo last week and I'm amazed. Everything is so easy, and it just works. Portage is fantastic, I can get everything done that I need without breaking everything. I almost never have to touch my system.
Why haven't you switched to Gentoo yet, /g/?
Because I'm running Microsoft Windows 10™
>>53653391
I always mess up on genkernal, I like arch but cant seem to fix screen tearing probly something im doing wrong.
>>53653417
delete this
>>53653484
>I always mess up on genkernal
What is there to mess up with genkernel?
>>53653391
Because I like apt
>>53653516
>apt install some 32 bit lib
>entire system gets nuked
Great.
Gentoo has true multi-lib support.
Gentoo > Arch
Yes.
>>53653513
compile failed: Kernel not found i was probably targeting the wrong architecture
>>53653565
Well duh, you're really only using arch for quality of life anyway. Gently for min-maxing.
>>53653609
>Gently for min-maxing.
Lol phone meant Gentoo.
>>53653391
>running as root
>>53653601
Interesting... Yeah, it sounds like you just downloaded the wrong source code. ``genkernel all`` should be all you need to compile
forget to mount boot before updating grub? forget to include a module? don't mind a chroot and kernel recompile if you make a mistake?? then gentoo might be the right choice for you
>>53653530
what is /usr/lib32/?
>>53653764
what is slotting?
>>53653836
Er, well he may just need a symlink to his kernel source from /usr/src/linux
Use eselect kernel list / eselect kernel set 1
>using genkernel
>>53653391
Josh?
>>53653911
Kevin?
>>53653987
Nah, Chris.
>>53653391
I did install gentoo just a few days ago
but my laptop is an older model and for some reason my resolution is all fucked up. Like what I see right now is the terminal and another one over lapping it, two images at the same time
I could probably fix it by getting my nvidia drivers working properly but I'd like to find a quick temporary solution cause it makes my eyes hurt
>>53654046
>Like what I see right now is the terminal and another one over lapping it,
What DE/WM are you using?
>>53654087
No desktop enviroment so far. I only finished this before yesterday so I only have a command line
>>53654162
That's... very strange. I've never heard of that problem before. Have you tried just using integrated graphics for now?
>>53654209
It's an older laptop and I used to run Debian on it. It had the same shit problem but once the Nvidia drivers are properly installed it made the problem go away
notice how on the top line there's over lap and the login is repeated twice. Its workable but its really annoying
>>53654209
Do you mean intelfb?
Pretty sure you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
Enable all the generic framebuffers efi vga etc and turn on simple frame buffer, it will pick one that works for you.
>>53653502
I don't get this meme
>>53654335
You probably just need to pass a vga option to your kernel with your bootloader to tell it what resolution to use. If it fails to probe the VGA bios properly or the bios just returns garbage it will use resolutions that may not work properly and result in what you are seeing.
>>53653484
Had the same issue and I solve the problem by using a more stable kernel. I would recommend to switch to lts.
>>53653484
What WM are you using? I had the same problem for the longest time with screen tearing, and it turned out that it was being caused by the WM I was using. Switching to a different one solved the problem.
>>53654369
delete this
>>53653391
fuck yeah OP you are not a faggot for once. Gentoo is the shit my nigga!!! I be running it on my x220 i fucking love it and i love how it infuriates archfags because they know they will never have the skillz needed to install gentoo. Gentoo 4 lyfe nigga!!
>>53654929
installing is only, like, one extra step for Gentoo. Overall, Gentoo is easier to use and more stable than Arch.
>>53654929
>x220
Enjoy compiling stuff for 6 hours
>>53655817
>tfw just installed gentoo on a core2 laptop
i-it only took 2 or 3 days
>>53653530
Yeah, I hate how some systems cannot into multiarch support.
Ubuntu/Mint have this shit. Try to install some 32-bit lib and suddenly
>35 packages will be removed
Fuck that shit. It's why I stopped using Ubuntu and its derivatives.
>>53654929
Gentoo takes less skills to actually install and maitain it than Arch.
>>53656711
No, Arch takes less skills to actually install and maintain it than Gentoo.
>>53656656
>>53656735
Only if you're autistic.
>>53656761
Better autistic than a faggot.
>>53656785
What if you are a faggot and autistic?
>switched from arch
>everything is easier
it didn't have to be gentoo
>>53653391
>Why haven't you switched to Gentoo yet, /g/?
I did, then when the honeymoon period was over I stopped using it since it's a waste of time with a seriously mentally deranged user base.
>>53656793
Win-Win to be bravely frank.
>>53653391
There is Ubuntu/Fedora/ecc for those who don't care about anything but getting their work done.
There is Gentoo/Funtoo for those who want a OS up to their rules.
Arch is just a sandbox for testing out pieces and using a sandbox as your main OS makes you a retarded. Deal with it.
Gentoo is what all my servers run.
https://bitbucket.org/Ulikea/ shellscripts/raw/0b84b55513697e48d17042708f66b5cc691b25e8/Gentooinstallscripts.bash
>>53653484
Use the Arch wiki and create a driver config with vsyc at 3 and tearfree video.
It is like two lines of code.
Also, you won't find that tip anywhere. Go ahead and try.
>>53653893
There is literally no benefit of using a custom kernel if you don't use super low power embedded device.
And building your first kernel is a fucking shitshow, I had to recompile it like 5 or 6 times before everything worked properly.
And I was not new to linux at that time and knew my hardware. Its just retarded.
>>53653391
You were so close OP - should have switched to exherbo. More up to date, less patches to upstream, faster and more stable package manager
Gentoo requires too much fucking maintenace
>>53653391
Because FreeBSD lets you do the same exact thing - except the autism is optional.
>compile everything
>download binaries
Pick one and/or both
What are some of the advantages of gentoo for users? What about developers? Are the repositories expansive? Does it have access to yaourt or someting like? Does it care about "muh freedom"?
>>53653391
>inb4 no proper use flags
You're probably using more power, lol
Nice meme
>>53660902
>Does it have access to yaourt or someting like?
>>53653391
LFS or die.
around how long would it take for a desktop environment and a couple of other large programs to compile on an old pentium 4 laptop with gentoo
>>53653391
You are so amazing! I mean, like, how authoritative you must be in all things Linux! If I were a fledgling neckbeard homosexual, I'd almost be tempted to beg you to take me under your wizardly wing. You have me blushing! Oh, god! How on earth did you become so knowledgable? Are as handsome as you are brilliant?
>>53660986
Depending on the programs 6-8 hours, maybe even 12+ if you compile your webbrowser
>>53655817
0. have adequate® ram
1. edit fstab and mount /var/tmp/portage as a TMPFS
2. edit make.conf by adding PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp/portage"
3. watch libreoffice/firefox compile in <2hrs.
source: I own an X220T
>>53661811
Or I could use any package based distro and have it in 5 minutes
>>53653391
already have
>>53661837
Quit being a nig. Everybody knows binaries are available for download on gentoo for i-only-have-5-minutes-to-install fags such as yourself.
Gentoo is what NASDAQ servers run.
>>53661906
>dwm
>1366x768
>intel
>rizon
>irssi
>Uptime: 2m
>bash
>6gb of ram
>>53662165
cg, you can read
>>53660180
you mean running the update command?
... I'm confused by your comment. What exactly do you have to maintain? Gentoo has been more stable than Ubuntu for me. Hell, I can even slot old, stable versions of software if I want for extra stability (while also having the new ones)
>>53661942
How?
Arch is an SJW OS for retard-niggers
>>53662580
SJW? I use it to insult minorities on /pol/
>>53653391
you'll get similar realization switching from Gentoo to Windows
installs are already time consuming, why would I want to wait for my kernel to compile on top of that
Because i'm not autistic and i use win10 :^)
>>53662690
Actually, I hate windows so much that I bought my mom a MacBook Pro just so that I don't have to deal with it while helping her. Win 7 was the last good version
>>53662725
How often do you install your OS? If this is the reason you don't want it then I'm afraid you might have deeper issues.
>>53662923
Installing things with portage takes too long. Sure you could install the binary instead, but at that point why not just use an OS that does that by default
>>53653391
my gentoo broke because i tried LTO with gcc a bit too much.
i took the kernel and modules out, backed up system configs, reinstalled the base system.
it boots to a black screen on an EFI machine, but something is going on in the background, judging by the hdd noises. and this is the exact same kernel that used to work.
it boots file with the kernel copied from arch. wtf.
if it weren't for that damn uefi problem, i'd have it figured out by now.
gentoo is great, but play safe or you'll have to reinstall fucking everything.
>>53662898
>Win 7 is better than 8 meme
8 is superior in every way. even start menu, which gets shat on the most, is better and easier to navigate. the only people who complain are those who can't even change several default metro tiles, which takes 5 seconds. windows 10 is also a huge step forward, but telemetry completely disqualifies it
>>53653391
the old arch breaking meme again.
go fuck yourself.
I've used gentoo for roughly a decade now and I still haven't recommended it to anyone. It's definitely not for everyone.
>>53663444
The issue isn't how pretty it is. It frequently breaks and getting anything done is almost impossible. A labyrinth just to find some trivial config
>>53659922
Use compton
>>53663663
>It frequently breaks and getting anything done is almost impossible.
I've been using 8.1 for 2 years without reinstalling and the only crashes were a few explorer.exe restarts
>getting anything done is almost impossible. A labyrinth just to find some trivial config
you can find all general config by right clicking on the start button. everyone just uses run for anything more complex on any windows version
>>53664023
Okay, here is an example from last night for you. My gf still uses a Windows laptop.
>she wants to print something
>turn on printer, which is hooked up to the wifi
>gentoo and OS X immediately see it and we can print stuff.
>hers doesn't.
>go to Printers and Devices
>scan
>nothing
>eventually, after fiddling around, find ANOTHER Printers and Devices setup area
>Requires us to download an "app" to use the printer.
>Try to download the app.
>Starts downloading candy crush and 2 other pieces of shit I've never heard of
>try to cancel those, breaks the other app download that I actually wanted.
>try downloading it again
>0.1 out of 0.1 mb downloaded
>wat
>frozen
>10 minutes later, finally starts, 0.2 out of 7.4 mb
>>53662517
emerge package-that-takes-a-lot-of-time-to-compile-bin
>>53664023
>everyone just uses run for anything more complex on any windows version
Since when do windows users know you can run commands?
>>53653391
Install Gentoo. By far the best distro.
it doesn't have a non-autistic installer
>>53662517
sudo emerge -av palemoon-bin
>>53658748
Pretty cool, but you should probably have a separate partition for /var/tmp/portage (and possibly also /tmp while you're at it). Also consider another FS (xfs if you want ext4 but fast, zfs if you want rice like snapshotting etc.)
That's for a server, but for a desktop, it might be a good idea to get a swap partition as well (for hibernating).
Do you use a custom stage4?
>>53653391
Not sure if I want to waste precious battery cycles on compilation
>>53668071
It's worth it. Though for huge things, like Firefox and clang, I wouldn't blame you for getting the binary from Portage.
>>53667941
Use an install script like >>53658748
>>53668071
On the other hand, you use less battery while running the programs - which unlike compilation, happens during 100% of uptime.
>>53653391
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvSE7_33bXI&list=FLAkMs_w7MuDXU58cmsBfYyg
>using genkernel
>>53668619
>rewriting genkernel
ISHYGDDT
>>53654335
Thats a wierd issue Dom.
>>53660537
My Negro
>>53660537
Gentoo/kfreebsd is my favorite distro too, anon :3
Why bother spending the extra time to configure Gentoo into being usable? Most distributions are highly configurable and take up very little disk space, it just doesn't feel reasonable for even the tech savvy to do. You can program on a variety of different platforms and environments, you can browse the web on a variety of different platforms and environments, muh freedoms are protected on a variety of different environments, I just don't see the gain.
>>53668953
why run a sub optimal kernel and bloated applications when you don't have to?
>>53668953
Gentoo is usable from the get go. It's the only distro for which this is the case. Moreover, no other distro has portage, the stability of gentoo packages, nor anywhere even remotely near the same kind of customizability as gentoo.
Which other distro allow you to install whatever program you want, and prevent any non-FSF-approved program from ever being installed with a single config line? What if you want a distinction more precise than free v.s. non-free?
>>53668953
It's a minimalistic rolling release with no systemd and a large and supportive community.
Though personally, I prefer funtoo.
>>53668953
I have this weird philosophy that FLOSS software should be distributed as source.
>>53669127
are you faggots forgetting that funtoo exists
>>53669364
Funtoo is literally gentoo: changed the first 3 letters edition. It's as much its own distro as kubuntu is not ubuntu.
>>53669364
it's easy to forget.
>>53669377
>>53669398
the installation and configuration is less of a pain the ass
it's basically gentoo for people who installed gentoo before and don't find it interesting anymore
>>53669082
Do you really get that good returns on doing this?
What's the average amount of space and time saved using custom compiled packages versus binaries?
>>53669421
I run both and I didn't notice any difference with the installs/config. The only thing I like about funtoo was the redhat/debian kernels. But I only used that feature twice. I won't install funtoo again.
>>53669474
Time, for kernel, probably on the order of 10-20%, but I have no metric on that. On special hardware or for special applications, though, you'll see massive boosts, but you'd use a custom kernel in any distro at this point. Space, you can easily shave off 50%+.
For applications, when you go hardcore with your flags, you can reach 100%-150% increase in performance, but this can be less stable and to go this far you have to forgo hardening features. You will generally have 10%-30% smaller binaries v.s. everything enabled, but 50% bigger binaries compared to e.g. simple -O2. If you want to keep your hardening, you can still get 70%-90% improve in performance with hardcore compiler flags. However, you'll have to revise your flags for many packages.
>>53669474
there is no quantitative way of describing the peace of mind experienced as a result of installing gentoo
>>53669377
First 2 letters fucktard
>>53669547
>For applications, when you go hardcore with your flags, you can reach 100%-150% increase in performance,
Delusional.
>>53669595
Inbred
>>53662165
You forgot the shit fonts.
>>53670332
woops, wrong thread sorry
>>53653391
Because I can't afford to recompile all the packages on my system every fucking week.
I compile a dozen packages on my Arch and it already takes too much time.
>>53670389
Ebin meme, upboated. how2gift gold?
