Try naming at least(!) two reasons, why xubuntu 16.04 isn't the best candidate for the
/linux desktop 2016/
I bet you can't apart from
>muh freedom
>>53633939
>apt
>outdated packages
>>53633947
What is wrong with apt?
>outdated packages
You mean in not being beta versions?
>>53633966
no it means program A releases versions X and it takes weeks for version X to appear in the repos
>>53633977
>weeks
So no reason why it shouldn't be the mainstream desktop
when is 16.04 lts coming out?
1) they still break the panel literally every time there's a new version of ubuntu out
2) xfce is barely developed
3) lxde is much lighter, more actively developed, and will soon have a qt version
>>53633939
Apt is a shit.
>>53633939
Vsync is broken as fuck.
Its just fucking ubuntu with xfce.
You can do that with regular ubuntu.
Ultimate distro is ChromeOS and an Ubuntu Chroot
>>53634232
sure buddy :^)
>>53634307
>using the smiley with a carat nose
>>53633939
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux,
is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux.
Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component
of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell
utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day,
without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU
which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are
not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a
part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system
that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run.
The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself;
it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is
normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system
is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux"
distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
>>53633939
Screen tearing. Something is definitely off with Xubuntu's stack. I've seen it look absolutely terrible on some machines and perfectly fine on others.
>>53633939
Because MATE is better
>>53633947
>>53634260
please tell me why apt-get is not the best package manager
>>53633939
XFCE is pretty good, but I prefer LXDE.
>>53633939
Can't. Center. The. Fucking. Title. Bar.
/thread
>>53634285
Why the fuck would you install a massive bloated DE (Unity) if you intend to use a different DE? Seriously youre fucking retarded
>>53633977
>all software gets 2 weeks of testing before being released into the default repos
Thats just what a sane distro ought to do by default
>>53633939
Lubuntu is better
Lubuntu is better
>>53634457
>>53634271
Xfce (Xfwm) doesn't do Vsync, it paints with XRender, not OpenGL bloat.
It's your video card's fault for not painting 2D frames in a sane manner.
PROTIP: If you're using an Intel iGPU, switch to UXA acceleration instead of the new default SNA. All your tearing issues will be gone.
>>53634257
>lxde is much lighter, more actively developed, and will soon have a qt version
What a time to be alive
I just hope the qt version of pcmanfm supports dual panes lik the gtk version. Also, from the beta qt version, the gtk panel is much more intuitive to customize, and just looks and feels better.
>>53633947
>>53633966
>>53634260
>>53634519
>apt is shit because it just works
>pacman is good because "it trains the user to keep their computer maintained" (aka it's shit but the devs don't admit it)
>>53634354
>not making the smiley that way
>>53633966
Apt is significantly lacking in features which are included in other package managers. openSUSE has the best package manager that I personally have used. Package locking is a fucking dream.
Also up until recently, apt had basic commands split accross multiple binaries. Why was the command "apt-cache search" not "apt-get search"?
>>53634457
Uh, no there's not. Are you blind? There's a Vsync option in the window compositor section.
I think you're lying.
>canonical
>xfce
>>53634653
Do One Thing And Do It Well.™
>>53634543
Hmm, seems to be centered in the OP's pic.
>>53633977
you're a kunt
>>53634670
By that argument, apt is worse now that everything is all just "apt" instead of "apt-foo".
>>53634653
>Apt is significantly lacking in features which are included in other package managers.
Please name as many examples as possible
>openSUSE has the best package manager that I personally have used.
Why?
>Package locking is a fucking dream.
what is that?
>>53634694
>"apt" instead of "apt-foo".
wait. wut
>>53634694
>now that everything is all just "apt"
It's not though. The "apt" command is meant to be a more "user-friendly" frontend. It doesn't deprecate the much more featureful set of tools that is apt-get, apt-cache, apt-file, etc.
>>53633939
>literally impossible to get file picker icons
So close yet so far.
>>53634743
lol hot meme
It has almost no tablet support.
>>53634753
It's not a meme, it's an actual problem.
I would, without a fucking doubt, be using Xubuntu right now if I could somehow get file picker icons. But nope, devs still refuse to fix it, and the patched version was only made for Wiley and never updated.
It looks like it's from 2003
>>53634787
Wait, you mean thumbnail view in the GTK file chooser?
That's outside the power of Xfce, man. Bitch to the GTK devs.
>>53634743
what is file picker?
>>53634787
>cares enough about shitposting shitty badly named memes to 4chan to make a distro decision over it
You just went full retard son
>>53634800
And?
>>53634806
Im guessing this works on some DE other than XFCE?
>>53634806
>bitch to the GTK devs
That's who I was referring to.
>>53634823
>shitposting badly named memes
What the fuck are you spewing now?
Why should I not make a distro decision over something that severely hinders an activity I partake in nearly every day?
Xubuntu is practically perfect aside from this flaw.
>>53634852
It doesn't though. The GTK filechooser has been lacking a thumbnail view for like 9 years now.
It doesn't matter which DE you use. If you use a program that calls the GTK filechooser even in KDE you'll get no thumbnails.
>>53634875
>Why should I not make a distro decision over something that severely hinders an activity I partake in nearly every day?
This is so pathetic I cannot frame a fitting response. Good luck anon.
>>53633939
Just intalled xubuntu on my VM
go to youtube playvideo
video its out of sync and laggy......are you fuking kidding me?
>>53634875
Let me clarify actually: I am not saying the thumbnail problem itself is a Xubuntu problem, I am saying Xubuntu's problem is the fact that the patched file picker that has been going around does not work on any Ubuntu version newer than Wily.
>>53634896
You fucking retard. Explain to me how not using a distro due to a hindrance that can be fixed by using another distro is pathetic. Are you honestly mad that I'm not using the same distro as you? Do you understand the irony in calling me pathetic?
>>53634932
>Are you honestly mad that I'm not using the same distro as you?
No, honestly I am glad you use something else.
>Do you understand the irony in calling me pathetic?
Sure son, sure.
>>53634708
"Package locks serve the purpose of preventing changes to the packages on the system. Packages matching an active lock can't change their installed status; installed packages can't be removed or upgraded, packages not yet installed can't be installed."
Other features apt does not have:
>Verifying dependencies of a package are installed
>Vendor changing. If a package is provided by two different vendors, you can choose which you want, instead of just breaking your system. This is where package locks are useful.
>installing or updating a package from a specific repository, eg: zypper in thunar:factory, which would install thunar (or update thunar if already installed) with the package from the repository named "factory"
This isn't really a flaw with apt, more a case for why opensuse provides better package management tools (one of which, being zypper) is one click installers. If you need a package and it's not in the main repository, there's the opensuse build service, which provides one click installers. These differ from debs and rpms as they aren't the actual package, they're a small script which adds a repository for the package, and then downloads the package. As opposed to raw debs and rpms, this means that running zypper up will upgrade the packages you've installed through the obs One click installers instead of leaving rogue, outdated packages for you to attempt to manage.
>>53634879
Just double checking. I thought I read once that FireFox on KDE or something used a Qt chooser
>>53634645
use emerge or die
>>53634985
That's a patch that Suse used to maintain but not anymore.
>>53634896
>I dont like the default web browser so Im going to change my entire operating system
k
>>53633939
Bunsenlabs Linux
Kubuntu
So...
OpenSuse > Ubuntu ?
>>53635027
>Bunsenlabs Linux
Why not cbpp?
>>53634998
are you retarded?
>>53635053
no, u?
>>53633939
I prefer debian with xfce.
Though I like xubuntu, I try to stay away from the *buntus.
>>53634645
apt is great when used as aptitude
>>53635036
>OpenSuse
Only if you like KDE and YaST.
And I do like KDE.
But I don't like YaST.
NO FUCKING HIDPI SUPPORT.
VSYNC ISSUES
>ITS SHIT
Xubuntu is a dead-end because Xfce is dead.
The developers have made ZERO progress on the next version.
For comparison, development on 4.12 began after a month of planning.
However, development on 4.14 has not even begun because, even after a year, they still haven't planned any plans.
Source:
https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.12/roadmap
https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.14/roadmap
XFCE is comfy but not modern enough for normies
>floating windows
grew out of that long ago
>>53634271
Install compton, senpai.
>>53633939
1. Screen tearing
2. No desktop effects
>inb4 install compton or some other WM
What's the point of Xfce then?
Pic related
>gtkancer
>"but it has bindings for my shitty hobbyist programming language"
>'but it was free from day one"
>>53633966
>Upstream releases "LATEST MOTHERFUCKING STABLE"
>has one bug report
>debian deems it unstable, insecure crap
>five years later
>it has no bug reports because nobody is using that version
>stable enuff
>two weeks later
>debian hit by crippling exploit in pkg-oldver. fedora and arch users on newver unaffected.
>debian backports the patch from newver
>"see, we're secure"
>>53637857
>gtk cucks
When will they learn?
>>53637643
Compton is not a WM; how new are you?
>>53638086
>>>>or some other WM
Reading disability?
>>53633977
Just add the Debian unstable or testing repos bro
>muh freedom
OP is quite possibly the least likable person on earth.
>>53638239
not him but
>install compton or some other WM
makes no sense
>>53638373
Not him either but it does makes sense
>>53634257
lxde isn't any lighter, is utterly dead, not developed. You immense fag.
>>53634708
Christ almighty opensuse is horrid
>>53634257
>>53634631
Finally a reason to go lxde on my notebook.
>>53633939
linux mint exists
i only need one reason to bury you
>XFCE
Not even once.
>>53633939
Because of its 2008 looks.
And the second reason - xfeces is a dead project.
>>53634971
Such a load of bullshit!
Please go read about package pinning in apt before making a fool of yourself on the internet.
>>53633939
>Andrei
picrelated detected
>>53635535
Because it's not needed fag. You don't intentionally break what's working. Use Gnome if you want frequent shit releases.
I don't mind it except for all the grey which I don't seem to be able to change.
>>53633939
scree n
tear in g
looks like shit
tears screen like shit
Default should just work and offer some quality, no tweaks should require opening a terminal to input 80's style commands.
>>53633939
because it doesn't use wayland yet and thunar has a few issues at the moment. they are also still transitioning between gtk2 and gtk3. xfce is still one of my favorites.
>>53638593
i disagree, xfce is far from dead and the devs actually said the will switch to wayland when they are done with their current transitions.
1) Linux and Unices were never a big platform un PC to begin
2)X.org
>>53639018
>80's style commands.
if it's easier that way, why not use a CLI? what's the problem with it?
>>53639288
Inconsistente GNU aids
>>53639306
wew lad
>>53634645
RPM is best anyway
>>53633939
I was testing it out but it can't compare to Manjaro on my machine. I installed it on my family machines though and it works ok, so far no complains from them but I get occasional issues when I ssh in.
>>53634985
KDE file picker works natively with chromium and Qupzilla
>>53633939
I use it as my daily driver, it's mostly great but the panel is janky as fuck, there's an annoying bug where when you mouse over the icons they all stutter
It is though, and I think at some point Xubuntu will take over the fucking Linux community and it will become the Xubuntu community
And people on /g/ might say 'compile Xubuntu'
>>53639588
it won't. there's no way /g/ will trust canonical entirely. xubuntu is just what most people recommend to new users.
Not stable yet
Still requires manually installing compton are you fucking kidding me?
>>53639646
>are you fucking kidding me?
I can't ever take this seriously again. /pol/ sure did a good job at forcing this meme everywhere on 4chan.
>>53638863
Man, I remember half a decade ago everyone going "screen tearing? what the fuck is that? stop being autistic" and now everyone's complaining about it left and right.
It's really annoying.
>>53639655
Anon, I swear I didn't know about this.
>>53633947
So just add repos with the latest versions of what you want to be "bleeding edge", what's wrong with that ?
I used to have a hybrid debian (between stable and rolling release) where I'd keep the kernel, WM, DM etc on the stable side, but have all dev necessities on the rr side (gcc, qt, openjdk, editors/ides etc). Worked like a charm.
1997 DE
>>53634232
Xubuntu already offers an early xenial iso.
>>53639705
This.
At this point, at least have the decency to have a notification center. It uses Thunar which is ancient greece technology. Has no animations. No wayland support.
The only good thing about XFCE? Customizing it is awful easy and doesn't require any "tweak tools". But even MATE is more modern.
>>53639751
some people still find windows XP to have the best DE.
>>53639751
>animations
>technology
Get out.
>>53639765
I just don't get it. Sure it's simplistic and gets the job done but even fucking netbooks now are powerful enough to drive something better. Even phones.
>>53633966
>You mean in not being beta versions?
Everything in Linux world is beta quality
>>53633939
Because KDE is objectively superior.
So it should be Kubuntu insted
>>53633939
>mint exists
>mint has xfce distro
>>53633939
I can't, Xubuntu is one of the best distros and Xfce is literally perfect.
>>53633939
Here's the best.
Can someone pls mail this thread to the xfce and xubuntu devs? It's a great out of the box perspective on xfce and xubuntu and could possible help in driving the next release
>>53642837
I want xubuntu to win the
/distrowars/
>>53642184
Almost made me throw up. Reminds me of pic related UIs.
Xubuntu is pretty good.
>tfw distro hopping for weeks now but all distros are equally shit
>>53643099
You're retarded.
>>53634971
apt can do all of that
It's a "lightweight" DE that is just as heavy as a fork of GNOME2, which was meant to be "heavy" compared to XFCE.
There are none
>ubuntu mate
until lubuntu finally ditches lxde in favour of lxqt, this is hands down the best desktop.
>>53633939
>xfce
>ubuntu
That was easy.
>>53633939
What is good distro if I rely on lot of modern hardware, like from the past 1-2 years? Modern ASUS Maximus VIII motherboard, 980ti, etc.
>>53643899
Xubuntu
>>53643871
Even when lxqt happens, mate will still be significantly better on all non-resource-starved devices. It has a collection of great programs that can't be obtained on other desktops, and its paradigm is better. Although if lxqt can use kde programs (with kde5 disassociating the DE and programs), that might no longer be the case.
>>53643914
>stagnation is a paradigm
>>53636992
>Compton
I don't like NWA, Anon.
>>53643926
>retardation is an argument
>>53642184
WTF!!!!! I WAS USING THAT PLAYER SKIN 12 YEARS AGO ON MY DEBIAN/MANDRAKE/UBUNTU INSTALLS!!!
YOU FAGGOTS ARE REALLY STUCK IN A TIME WARP. I'VE SINCE MOVED ON TO OSX AND WINDOWS 10 BECAUSE LINUX IS STAGNANT AND NOT FOR ANY SERIOUS DESKTOP USE.
>>53644401
>muh desktop decoration
>>53633939
Because Xubuntu isn't a desktop, it's on operating system and you choose whatever desktop you want.
>>53642184
Debian sucks and cinnamon sucks and your desktop is bad.
>Xubuntu user
>tired of 14.04
>install 16.04
literally nothing has changed. Thanks xfce team.
>>53633939
Stop shitposting Andrei and get back to working on D
>>53644875
Nothing to change, it's perfect.
>>53644875
>uses *nix
>questions "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"
you belong on windows.
>>53644898
>it's perfect
xfce is so behind on gtk3 that if they don't upgrade soon, the fucks are going to be left behind in a few years.
X11 is also on its way out, so they also have that to deal with. XFCE will be steamrolled by mate, gnome and lxqt, and cinnamon too I guess.
>>53634615
this
>>53644898
>nothing to change
>its perfect
Defend how it uses more resources than MATE and is less modern and has less features. Also not even a whisper of moving to Wayland.
>>53644944
>GTK+3
Pure cancer. What would even be the point of XFCE if they moved to GTK+3?
>>53645152
What's the point of XFCE now?
>>53644944
I'll just switch if XFCE is obsolete. I'm not a fanboy anyway.
>>53645075
MATE doesn't have proper deskbar config (vertical taskbar like Unity) for maximum vertical space. While you muhdesktopfags like the horizontal taskbar, I don't, and MATE doesn't give me that option.
XFCE also has the godlike CPU usage meter in the taskbar that no other DE has.
>>53645199
It's reasonably unencumbered by things like GTK+3.
>>53633939
>Linux desktop 2016
Nice joke
>>53634645
>apt
>works
Good joke
Apt is a server/enterprise package manager designed around the assumption that dependencies will never be improperly configured and that packages will never be buggy repo-side, and if they are, that repo-side is the one to fix it, and that users should hold their fucking horses. Simple desktop shit like downgrading and defying the dependency list are non-trivial.
>>53644944
>X11 is on its way out
Wayland adoption outside of GNOME/faggots is minimal mostly because they only have gtk3 and qt to choose from
You can't even run a fast and mature terminal emulator without xwayland bugs and overhead. You're limited to slow and shitty VTE crap and KDE's terminal.
>but it's a futuristic linux desktop made with compositing in mind, guys!
>why don't people uninterested in effects laden desktops want to use this!?
>>53634767
Who fucking cares?
Ubuntu is notoriously hard to upgrade, especially if you miss a version.
So how many active devs has xubuntu / xfce ?
what is more beatiful than xubuntu /g/ ?
>>53637857
>he's still not using nautilus
>>53639707
So does Lubuntu
>>53639810
>needing something powerful just to drive your user interface
wow. i just dont get it
>>53633939
i like lubuntu, because its comfy
there isn't an objective discussion that can be held
>>53633939
ubuntu gnome 16.04 for once, if you want tear free video.
>>53644855
>debian sucks
its literally the best distro
will 16.04 ship with native vulkan support?
>>53642184
> Linux 3.16
Kill yourself.
>>53644875
>install 16.04
yeah not really. why dont you wait like a fucking week and judge it by the official elease, not some dev/experimental beta release
See this is why Linux sucks. Even within the community you can't decide on a bloody distro.
Will NEVER be popular on desktop.
>>53645203
icewm has this
>>53645394
please inform us what package manager you think is better than apt
>>53644911
>windows
But most windows users are on windows 7
>>53649912
dnf
>>53649912
pacman
yum
portage
>>53645564
using the debian method has always worked fine for me (modify sources.list and do a dist-upgrade). the official ubuntu way has given me problems though (do-release-upgrade)
>>53649947
Tell me what distro is better that supports SPARC and PowerPC. Id take Gentoo more seriously if it had an installer
>>53649942
>>53649962
pacman, yum, and dnf are not readily available as default on any distro that runs on SPARC and PowerPC. And Gentoo doesnt have an installer.
I seriously want to know in what way yum is better than apt
>>53650160
the thing that apt is available on platforms that other manager are not available doesnt mean apt is better, you just have no other choice and have to stick with shit
>>53633939
I'm very comfy with OpenSuse
>sent from my mac
>>53633939
Because you're an Romanian gypsy.
>>53650228
your point is valid. I just like apt-get and in my experience did not like yum, though that was several years ago.
Do any package managers have a graphical front end as nice as synaptic?
>systemd
>based on a distribution based on another distribution
>outdated packages
>not rolling release
it's shit senpai
>>53633939
It's associated with Canonical, whom I find distasteful for reasons I can't quite remember.
Which is a shame because it's quite cute.
>>53634615
>chromium as the default browser
into the trash it goes.
>b-but you can replace it
not my contention at all.
Xubuntu is ugly and not even that lightweight, honestly.
If you're going to use a lightweight *buntu, install Lubuntu. LXDE is truly lightweight, functional, and awesome, and LXQt will be even better when they get it working well.
>>53652842
Imagine me, that I always have to remove Firefox because it's on every fucking distro like a cancer.
>>53652878
you'd best be replacing it with mint or some less common browser, anon.
