Is upgrading to win 10 worth it? I'm on xp atm.
>>53621171
No. Do NOT upgrade to Windows 10 unless you want to be spied on.
Do NOT listen to people here claiming that there are programs to block the spying either, they are SHILLS. There is no way to completely stop the spying.
Either stay on XP or switch to Linux if you want a more modern OS.
>switch to linux
I want something with good driver support, thanks.
OP I'd recommend ignoring this fedora wearing autist >>53621199
There is literally nothing wrong with Windows 10
if you want to switch, get the enterprise version, all tracking can be disabled on this version
>(Windows 10 X64 Enterprise LTSB en-US March 2016)
>>53621171
B O T N E T - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >
O Microsoft is part of NSA's mass surveillance program "PRISM":
T https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)
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E Microsoft informs the NSA about bugs before fixing them:
T https://archive.is/OBGB1
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| Microsoft openly offeres cloud data to support PRISM:
| https://archive.is/tW6fu
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| Microsoft has backdoored its disk encryption:
| https://archive.is/2XIvX · https://archive.is/qLRZx
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| Windows snoops on the users' files, text input, voice input,
| location, contacts, calendar records and web browsing history,
| even after related settings are turned off:
| https://archive.is/Zny36 · https://archive.is/sz1nt
| https://archive.is/g3QdQ · https://archive.is/ko469
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| A Traffic Analysis of Windows 10:
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| Keypoints: Windows 10 has a keylogger and uploads all your
| keystrokes every 5 minutes. Everything you type in Edge or
| Cortana is sent to Microsoft, along with any media files it
| finds. When webcam is enabled, 35MB of data goes to Microsoft.
| Even with Cortana disabled/uninstalled, Windows 10 sends all
| microphone audio to Microsoft, when the computer is idle.
| https://archive.is/QnTTA
| https://d2.maxfile.ro/rwspylwbwo.webm
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDeHqiydk4A
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>>53621217
Fuck off, you cancerous shill. Stop spreading false information.
>>53621171
Pic related is the exact taste Windows 10 leaves in my mouth
Yes. Everything is smoother and faster. Edge browser is also awesome.
>>53621220
I'm getting conflicted info Here. Who the fuck is shilling and who isn't?
>>53621271
The people advocating Windows are the shills. It has been proven countless times that most of them are in fact shills.
The ones that aren't are morons from /v/ who fall for the shilling.
Anyone have the screencap of the hundreds of reposts by shills attacking Linux and promoting Windows?
>>53621289
Well OK, but is there any other o s to upgrade to? Windows 7 is gonna stop getting updates,at some point, so I guess 8.1?
Do you want to play new games with dx12? Then upgrade. No? Then dont.
>>53621232
Go outside. Your neckbeard needs some sunlight
>>53621317
Windows 7 and 8.1 have the same spyware updates and are part of prism, but if you only care about video games or actual good software it shouldn't be an issue, though enterprise versions are preferred.
If you have kiddie porn or have an urge to feel like an special snowflake with a tiling window manager, or just dont care for vidya or pro-soft, go ahead and get ubantoo and be done with it.
t. >>53621220
Why would you downgrade from 7 or 8.1 to the pile of poo not in loo that Windows 10 is?
>>53621171
Fuck you
Sick fuck
>>53621351
Isn't it true you can do the same with pro
>>53621317
OP you got shilled hard by autists.
Don't bother with windows at all if you're going full autisitc with older versions.
It's the same "botnet" regardless of what version of it - botnet is less intense if you use early versions of windows 7 and never update or connect to internet - otherwise stay away.
So either go with linux and become an autist fuck that wastes his life and probably suicides later on or go with windows 10 enterprise and disable tracing.
>>53621171
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU? That's disgusting
>>53621171
upgrade to debian. downgrade to windows 10. your call
>>53621317
>Well OK, but is there any other o s to upgrade to?
Go with Mint.
Non autistic reasons why:
-It Comes with cinnamon a WM with a windows-esque layout and feel so you won't have to mess around with that.
It's based on Ubuntu & :ml.
j has lots of users and thus support if you have any questions.
Lots of easily compatible software too.
Reasons why not:
Caring about bloat (though it's still less bloated than windows)
Thy used some hashed md5 or so for site security & got fucked recently so some might say that reflects on the OS too.
>xp
anything is better than that shit.
>get a firewall
>block microsoft's tracking servers
???
>profit
all you fucking retards bickering when the solution is so damn simple.
I don't normally like to post opinions, especially negative ones, on the front page. In this case, I can't resist, as this bastardization of Windows makes me quite angry. Having used every version of Microsoft's operating systems since 1988 (MS-DOS 5.0), this is the first time I truly believe that Microsoft has lost its way. To put it bluntly, Windows 10 is a mish-mash of interfaces, and in some cases borderline deceptive options, mainly to serve Microsoft's dubious ambitions in the mobile device arena, rather than consumers and businesses. It will only serve to further confuse and alienate the average PC user, and hasten the PC's demise. I've used Windows 10 as my daily OS since the Preview back in January 2015, and I can honestly say it seems like one step forward, four steps back when compared to Windows 7.
>>53622850
You cant actually do it.
>>53621199
This. Windows 10 is designed to spy on everything you do.
>>53621171
Is that ketchup or caramel?
boiled green banana isn't that bad as a staple
>>53622875
Nice pasta
>>53622850
That's sweet but you'd need a hardware firewall. Software firewalls will work through window's own network stack and because the IPs are hardcoded they won't get blocked.
>>53622910
It's ketchup.
Why would I put caramel on my steaknana?
>>53621770
>"d-do I fit in yet guys? I know all the memes..."
>>53621199
Air-gapping.
Sure, it will be rendered mostly useless, but if you're double-booting, you can get by just fine.
>>53623177
Fuck off, shill retard.
>>53621222
>having a mic
>having Cortana enabled
>actually being able to use Cortana
This is US: The Post. My country has Cortana disabled by default because "yoo cunt uuuusit!"
>>53621199
>implying Windows XP to 8.1 doesn't spy on you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQyapjh5w3U
Has this been confirmed yet?
>>53623600
What exactly do you need to confirm? Yes its real. Its is posted in >>53621222 with english subs.
>>53623631
That post doesn't cover spying on the screen.
>>53623646
Watch the webm in that post.
>>53621222
And all of this doesn't matter, since when you connect to the internet from your gahnoo/+loonix fedorabox, you're giving data to your ISP.
>>53623672
You give data about the shit you browse on the internet not the fucking screenshots of your desktop.
>>53621217
Sure, there's nothing wrong with it.
>>53621171
Is that fucking ketchup on banana? On. Banana.
>>53624279
ill give u my banana bb
Using windows 10 is fine as long as you are just web browsing which is what most of these tinfoil hat users do. They won't be able to collect your information unless you use the edge browser.
>>53621171
Yes. It is awesome so far. The spying bullshit is stupid. Unless you keep shit that could incriminate you then what would you be worried about.
>>53623306
>he thinks Linux isn't botnet
Kek
If your OS isn't spying on you, your isp certainly is.
>>53621199
Whats wrong with being spied on?
Im not a pedophile, i got nothing to hide
>>53624580
This board is full of pedophiles hence all the encryption shit.
every windows install that hasn't automatically upgraded to win 10 should be carefully treasured. With XP you should be fine connecting to the internet, but with all versions of windows >=Win7 I recommend never connecting the machine to the net for extended periods of time and making sure the OS is never able to install a single update.
Stupid question but.....
does turning off internet stop win10 from sending out your info through micoshaft's servers or does it presume when you turn the internet on again?
an example from this russian dude:
https://d2.maxfile.ro/rwspylwbwo.webm
>>53624580
> I have nothing to say, therefore I don't care about free speech.
>>53623758
thats a big list
>>53624772
>does turning off internet stop win10 from sending out your info through micoshaft's servers or does it presume when you turn the internet on again?
Depends what you mean with "turning off internet". If you physically pull the ethernet plug out of the machine and made sure your hardware doesn't have some wifi thing, it makes sense to assume the system will not be able to send data out during that period. If you merely disconnect from the network through OS facilities (= network icon in the taskbar), then it makes sense to assume that win10 will still run the connection behind your back for spying (after all, why not?).
Of course it will start sending out data again as soon as you reconnect. Like, duh. It also makes sense to assume that it collects the data you generated while being offline and sends it out when the connection is back. I.e. if you unplug your ethernet when you want to do private/sensitive things like let's say, manage your passwords or take some dick pics with your webcam, it doesn't help to disconnect unless you never ever reconnect again.
>>53624788
>quoting a tinfoil hat liberal shitstain
>>53624788
this counterargument is bad. You need to stop making it.
The framing of your counterargument referencing free speech accepts the basic premise that the only people who have something to hide are "bad people", and that if you're not a bad person then you won't have anything to hide.
You need to engage with this presumption that the only people who have something to encrypt are pedophiles.
The best free speech analogy is not this "hurr I have nothing to say" retarded horse shit, but a defense of hate speech on the basis that the sword that defends good free speech (political dissent, etc...) must necessarily defend objectionable speech. This context means that, yeah, pedophiles use encryption, and we object to that, but we can't defend our need to encrypt things we all agree need to be encrypted without also defending pedophiles.
And that's a shitty trade-off and we all feel bad about it, but it's not ambiguous or up for debate; there's no way we can evaluate this ethical dilemma and end up putting the prosecution of pedophiles and terrorists ahead of our own encryption needs.
>>53624936
lets ban 90% of all sites, they have encrypted content like user passwords etc, lets put them all in jail
>>53624908
Thanks for clearing it up, I thought about the same things you've mentioned but I wasn't too sure if its the "correct" way of spying on us.
>Espionage is key to knowing everything.... It never ends
>>53623163
why would you put ketchup on your banananaa
>>53625006
you need to try it before you reject it.
install vista
>>53621220
Not true, you can turn more settings off sure but Win10 still pings microsofts servers 24/7
>>53625011
>>53621171
Try Linux mint or Ubuntu.
[WINDOWS XP HAS BEEN DROPPED AND RECIEVES NO UPDATES]
If I remember correctly.
LINUX is the way forward, watch some videos on it.
Linux mint and Ubuntu have great online support too!
>>53624936
Interesting. I always took it to mean "just because I have nothing to say, does not mean I do not want the right to say whatever is on my mind". In the same vein, one could say "I don't have anything to hide, but I do not want to give up my right to hide if I choose". Perhaps you read too far into a brief statement, perhaps I should not have been so facetious about such a serious topic, I do not see how it sets a definition of good or bad reasons to hide, only that like free speech, the right to privacy is a fundamental human right, period. Thats how I explain it anyway, and how I view it.
You re on point with what you say though, and I will consider it another arrow in the quiver.
>>53621171
Stay with XP as long as you can! Ignore all other posts on this thread.
Hi, op here. Surprised my thread is still going desu. Linux is not an option unfortunately, I like gayming in my free time and my work software only works in windows. Thought it's finally time to upgrade my 25 year old pc, but all windows seem to be shit after xp.
>>53621171
Yes, windows 10 is pretty much spyware. If you have no problem with Microsoft being able to watch everything you do, then it's a fine choice. Windows 10 is actually pretty nice, and comes with a lot of good features.
If you don't like being spied on and want everything you use to be compatible, buy a MacBook Air 11 inch. They're cheap and get the job done. They're also durable and you can connect a monitor if you think the screen is too small for you. I've used Windows, Android, Ubuntu touch, almost every desktop Linux distribution out there. I now have a MacBook and an iPhone. I will never go back. Ignore the Android fanboys, they don't understand what nice things are
>inb4 no custom recovery
Have iTunes and semi restore. It's nearly impossible to accidentally hard brick an iPhone.
>inb4 crybabies whine about iShit
http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/08/22/nsa-windows-8-exploit/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/11/snowden_leak_shows_microsoft_added_outlookencryption_backdoor_for_feds/
Just saying but meh...
>>53625132
Honestly your best option at this point is to go MacOSX.
windows 10 is a botnet os and you're a stupid fuck for even considering to upgrade to it because Windows XP is old meaning that it's way more reliable than the newer shitty botnet OS
>>53625072
It's both philosophically and practically important to be judicious with your language and arguments. On the practical side the reasons are twofold:
1) people might develop a wrong-headed preconception about the use of something like encryption, since nobody at the table challenged that point about it being something only pedophiles use, and
2) if someone destroys a specious argument that you knew wasn't as strong as other "arrows in your quiver" but you threw into the mix anyway, it affects the credibility of the rest of what you say.
>>53625072
>only that like free speech, the right to privacy is a fundamental human right
And privacy is a cornerstone of free speech and free thought.
A person with their life laid bare for scrutinizing eyes doesn't stand a chance against oppression.
ANYONE can have their words and actions taken out of context and used against them until they are torn to shreds and made to look like a monster who's an enemy of the the state/society whatever fill in the blank.
You can shut nearly anyone up with just the threat of revealing the things they did and said in what they thought was a private setting.
You don't have to go and arrest everyone to control society, you just have to make them afraid to be free.
>>53625206
Windows xp is also insecure as fuck, can't use 50% of the hardware I wanna use and isn't updated at all anymore. I'm consider going for Mac os x or win 7 idk.
>>53625272
Try osx because anything is better than Windows nowadays, but if you can't adjust to it, then Windows 7 is the next best option.
>>53625290
Honestly I fail to see why people have so much trouble adapting to OSX.
It's just changing a few things, the most trouble you'll have is adapting to shortcuts on familiar software such as Photoshop, because those can fuck you up.
Installing programs however, no biggie, drag and drop. When you open zip files by default they extract themselves into a folder. Mission Control is better than Task View on windows. Maximizing applications make them take all of the screen. Pressing Alt (or Option as they might call it) gives you access to more options. Many of the problems you might have are fixed by using the terminal and there's even a package manager there.
Really I can understand the frustration of someone switching from Windows directly to a distro like Arch, where he's completely unfamiliar without a desktop manager. But OSX ain't hard to learn.
If you build your own PC with no mic and no webcam built in like laptops, and just use USB ones, and have 2 OSs, Windows 10 for gaming and Linux for everything else, can Microsoft still keylog and tap the webcam and audio and spy on your machine even if you're not booted in Windows 10 at the moment and only use it for gaming?
>Windows is botnet
>Linux is a hardware compatibility mess
>Mac is too expensive
what do /g/
>>53625526
Embrace the botnet
>>53625497
Yes, they also put some hidden webcams in your house, you were sleeping so you didn't notice
>>53625526
Hackintosh
I use win10 because i don't want to lose my helpdesk skills
>>53625572
>Hackintosh
somehow i doubt that's very hardware compatible to be worth it
>>53625268
>>53625215
Not gunna lie, screencapping these responses, I'm at work, and these points are worth further digestion after 404. It is indeed important to be concise.
>>53625394
16-year-windows-admin-here-who-had-OSX-forced-on-him-after-career-change here, I had no problem adapting to it, but I understand why winfags do. It just feels.. Fischer Pricey.. It does not encourage deeper interaction if you get curious. Classic Shell and other UX tweaks are easy enough for a user with half a brain to find and install, but to do the same on OSX requires some heavier lifting (if it's even possible, I have never tried). Welcome to Apple's walled garden I guess.
The end result is winfags, who think they sysadmin nao because they changed how explorer looks, get in front of OSX, find they can't dick with it and proceed to bitch on /g/ about how shit it is. The nifty things like the dock and the drag and drop app installs get steamrolled by the complaints. This is of course amplified by the general background negativity around macfags and their shiny toys generally. It's part stubbornness and part ignorance. End of the day, all OS's are a punch in the dick one way or the other. You just need to find the one that punches softer than your dick is hard, and run with it.
>>53625526
>hardware compatibility mess
works4me, meanwhile enjoy your windows with half a dozen goddamn basic devices in device manager not having drivers. Talk about "hardware compatibility mess". Oh, just download the drive--OH WAIT NO NETWORK CARD DRIVER LOLOLOLOL.
Windows is shit, Mac is garbage. GNU is love, GNU is life.
>>53625608
>works4me
you're really lucky man
>>53625526
Depends on who you are.
>Lazy, amoral, stupid, gamer
Botnet
>Hardworking(and you will work hard), rightsfag, smart, developer
Linsucks
>Ultra lazy, privacy/securityfag (thanks walled garden!), stupid, content creator
OShitX
>>53625526
deal with the hardware compatibility issues
>>53625639
>really lucky
You mean the fact that I've put GNU on tons of computers and they've all just fucking worked is "really lucky"?
I love how paid wintrolls use 15 year old excuses and lies for attacking GNU.
>>53625667
yeah i'm sure all your printers worked and your webcams and your microphones and your wifi cards all fine.
>>53625782
yep, out of the box
unlike windows where you have to download all drivers
Windows 10 just werks and it's a free upgrade even if you have a pirated version of Windows, it's perfect for normies.
ok gimme a distribution to try friend
>>53625835
>>53625870
meant to quote
>>53624788
so why would you care about free speech if you have nothing to say? because other people have things to say? so i should care about privacy because other people have things to hide?
>>53625870
Try a Live CD at first to see if everything works out of the box before installing
https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/download/
>>53625167
on one hand, Apple appears to be proactive in not intentionally gimping the security of their operating systems for the government. on the other hand, Apple has been known to have kept known vulns unpatched for long periods of time, and in general I get the feeling that security is not high on their agenda or that their security team is incompetent
