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>Intel is stagnating
>Zen on the horizon
>Cheap octocores with Haswell performance
>Nvidia starting to overjew themselves
>Polaris might deliver
Should I invest in AMD? I'm seriously considering it. Their stock is pretty low and I doubt they'll be going bankrupt any time soon (too much anti-trust bullshit).
>>53574894
>Cheap octocores with Haswell performance
it will be almost as much as intel prices
Just look at this shit stock,
They are barely holding on, just look at their revenue/profit. its abysmall.
>Cheap octocores with Haswell performance
Funny you should say that, its a double edged sword, it what keeps them in business at the same time they can't rise prices to increase revenue either
If you want AMD to succeed you need to be willing to pay intel level prices for AMD products.
>>53575043
They can safely raise prices to ~$400 for the octo-core Zen chips and still make mad dosh. But what really matters for them is the enterprise market. If they can offer their 16/32 core Zen APUs/CPUs at lower costs than xeons than they win.
I'm betting those 32 core zen APUs are going to strike a huge blow to intel's enterprise market if they can deliver both performance and energy efficiency (hopefully they will)
OEMs are also going to be very interested in the Zen APUs for desktops and laptops/tablets.
Interesting times are ahead of us.
>BUYING AMD HOUSEFIRES 4GB POKEKRIS
>>53574894
nah, AMD has too much debts.
>>53575043
>5 years
Step it up nigga. Zen and Polaris weren't on the verge of being released 5 years ago, but they are now. AMD shares are going straight up.
>>53574894
Summit Ridge isn't going to be cheap.
>>53575244
The enterprise and HPC APUs will be a big product for AMD. They'll be taking shots at Xeon systems with discrete GPUs in addition to directly competing against the Xeon Phi line.
Enterprise is the only area AMD is really going to shine.
>>53575374
AMD pulls in $5 billion a year during their worst performing years in decades, and they only have $2 billion~ in long term debt.
Stop shitposting, child.
>>53575374
Zen is supposed to save them and polaris is supposed to make them valuable.
Honestly though I hope they make bank this time so intel can stop dicking around and give us better CPUs.
There's no way AMD shares will go down right? Barring something catastrophic like Zen turning out to be Bulldozer 2.0.
>>53574894
Buying a PC is not a investment.
>>53575460
Stocks and shares are mentioned in the OP, fucking retard.
>>53574894
>Their stock is pretty low and I doubt they'll be going bankrupt any time soon (too much anti-trust bullshit).
They're not scheduled to go bankrupt until at least 2019, and even then it wont necessarily mean the end of the company it may help them successfully restructure. Investing on the long term on whether Polaris and Zen products will be successful in terms of sales is fairly risky, but the stock is cheap and buying a 100 or so shares isn't much. Go for it losing 300 hundred or so bucks wont really upset you.
>>53575393
>AMD pulls in $5 billion a year during their worst performing years in decades, and they only have $2 billion~ in long term debt
>Stop shitposting, child
AMD don't make money since 2011 Jesus fucking Christ. AMD is virtually breakup since 2013...What is wrong with you.
>>53575393
>'''''''''''only''''''''''' have $2 billion~ in long term debt
>>53575986
>shit eating retard doesn't understand the difference between revenue and profit
As I said, child, stop shitposting.
One strong year of sales and AMD's long term debt is gone. $2 billion is absolutely nothing.
>>53574894
>rumores
pablo, i...
Feel free to gamble on it, AMD isn't exactly a blue chip stock. If you believe that AMD's next thing is gonna be big, though you may as well try to get money off of it.
>>53575916
>losing 300 hundred or so bucks wont really upset you
That is a relative statement. I, my poor ass self, would hate to lose 300 and it would indeed upset me. I don't know why I am posting this.
>>53576038
Well its better then 14-19 trillion I guess.
>>53576167
They were averaging 8,000,000,000 to 10,000,000,000 during the Phenom years when they had decent enough consumer and server chips. The debt they have really is a drop in the bucket.
>>53574972
This.
Didn't they say they were done being the budget company?
>>53576150
Then stay out of risky investments :^)
>>53576053
>One strong year of sales and AMD's
>$2 billion net
IMPOSSIBLE
>>53576215
Unless they can meet or surpass Intel I don't see how they can compete at an even price.
Their key to consumer success is an octocore that's priced the same as an i5.
I've never messed with stocks before, would it be worth it to buy $200 worth of AMD? I feel like if I don't know what I'm doing I'm gonna fuck myself over. Will AMD's stock double if Zen/Polaris is successful?
If it's 8 core and each core performs like Haswell, that'll be a great upgrade for people like me (2500k).
>>53576284
Ever thought there shit poor performance was because they were aiming to be a budget company? Your going to put less money into something you expect to get less from.
>>53576053
Show me the AMD '''''''profits'''''''. They don't.
>>53575384
/biz/ here, Indicators look strong, I'd buy and hold it for a bit.
>>53576284
Summit Ridge is not a mainstream product line like intel's i5s and i7s.
It is a high end desktop chip like intel's i7E line.
Their mainstream line of processors is the Raven Ridge APU line.
8 core/16 thread Summit Ridge is not going to be cheap.
>>53576284
I actually only got the 8350 because it was on sale for $120
>>53576294
It's hard to say. But you should only invest in stocks if you are sure of them. Don't half ass it. If it's a good investment you should shove what you've got in, if it's not then pretend you bought it on paper and see how it does.
What makes a good investment? No one is truly sure. Anyone who says they have more than a good guess is lying.
Zen is AMD playing catch up. Might as well buy Haswell-E now and be done with it.
Polaris is 100% unadulterated shit limited to 4GB. Vega will be the one that competes with Pascal but it will be a year behind.
AMD is really finished this time.
>>53575244
>if they can offer chips cheaper than intel they win enterprise
Not until they fix the performance, heat, and consumption gaps. Which Zen might, at least on the performance.
I dont see high end apus really being that attractive for corporate users. Most workstations would do quite well on a cheap, cool, low end one and server usage wouldnt need the gpu part of it. That pretty much just leaves graphics oriented workstations and a small few distributed computing servers for 3d modeling. Also for the rank and file computer users the apus would have to compete against SoC boards, which are getting more and more competent.
AMDs big areas of opportunity are SoC, which theyre doing pretty good on already, and low-mid level APUs.
>>53575384
Zen was announced in 2012. Pretty fucking close.
>>53576426
>Polaris is 100% unadulterated shit limited to 4GB.
citation needed
>>53576343
It will replace the current AM3+ line, which AMD doesn't call mainsteream either, with the same costs.
>>53574894
>Should I invest in AMD
No, don't, risky
>>53576334
>/biz/ here
You aren't
>>53575043
>Not understanding you are supposed to buy low
I bought some amd (Nothing big only 800 stocks worth) back when it was $2/share
It's nice to get invited to the stockholder meeting online as well
>>53574894
>Should I invest in AMD?
They're a money printing machine.
They consistently drop to $1.80, and whenever they announce anything, they shoot up to $3 a share.
>>53574894
INVEST AFTER ER.
IT WILL PROBABLY FALL TO AROUND $2 A SHARE.
>>53576614
Low is pretty subjective because 2/share may be the intrinsic value of AMD
>>53576294
Right now they're trading for roughly ~$3.
They were going for like ~9$ back in 2010 when they weren't doing as bad.
In 2006 back when they could compete they were going for ~$40.
>>53576652
Fucking listen to this.
>>53576671
2006 they couldn't compete, at least as well, because intel had just launched c2d
I pity the fool who didn't sell in 2000 when AMD was worth $92
>>53575384
>short selling activity high
>price going straight up
nope
>>53576734
Hey man, what program is that? I want to follow my investments more closely but all I have currently is Stock Twits and Robinhood and they're shit.
I'd like to find a PC application to monitor my investments closely with detailed info.
>>53576426
>Polaris is 100% unadulterated shit limited to 4GB.
Here's hoping for HBM2!
>>53576734
It'll probably test the high before falling back to the $2 ish range.
I've been burned by the piece of shit before, but if you get in under $2 it's pretty safe.
$FREE, however is a black hole that will eat your money... Unless you get in under $.02
>>53576760
Financial Times
You can see very detailed short selling data from Markit if you pay $24K/yr to subscribe to Bloomberg Terminal.
>>53576760
>I'd like to find a PC application to monitor my investments closely with detailed info.
Why went it will just practically be a web browser?
>>53575332
See how every one overlooks your stupid comment
>>53576810
Didn't even see that shit till you replied. Lele.
>>53576795
I'm assuming there is no good free alternative? I'm not making enough on my investments to put money into those yet. Fampai.
>>53576868
You can get a Reuters terminal for $300/mo.
I don't know if you can get short seller data on there or you need to upgrade to the $800/mo version.
>>53576426
>unadulterated shit limited to 4GB
It's actually 8GB...
of GDDR5
>>53576284
Why do people think they are going to get an 8c/16t CPU with rumored Haswell level performance for the price of an i5?
>>53577865
They're desperate fanboys totally detached from reality.
>want to get an amd gpu
>all current options are either too expensive (nano) or too power hungry (390)
POLARIS WHEN
>>53577969
>too power hungry
>muh $3 a year
>>53576215
Performance-wise. People really need to acquire some reading comprehension skills. They want to stop being that 'cheaper alternative' as in 'well it performs worse but it's cheaper'. They want people to choose their CPUs because they perform well, not because they're the cheaper option.
People instantly jumped to the conclusion that it meant they were raising prices to Intel levels.
>>53576426
>Vega will be the one that competes with Pascal but it will be a year behind.
Pascal is going to be competing with Fury on DX12, it won't compare to Vega. Polaris is simply going for power efficiency here, not more performance. Hence the Pro Duo still coming out to be the fastest card on the market and Fury line still being relevant.
>>53574894
too late you idiot. Should have bought in the dollar range.
>>53576284
No, AMD just needs to one up Intel on features.
4 core minimum SKU in the $150 range, Offer desktop 6 core and 8 core, overclocking on all SKU's, more PCi-E lanes. That sort of stuff is enough, assuming performance is close, to make a ton of people jump ship.
>>53581054
If they offer a performance competitive product, they'd be stupid not to offer similar prices. They'll still be better perf/Dollar just like they are in GPU's, but you don't see Fury X's going for $200 like you do 8 core FX's since 2012.
>>53576215
>>53574972
They were using the word "budget" to "The option people choose when they can't afford the good stuff". That doesn't mean they're going to jack up their prices. AMD was slaughtering Intel by offering good processors for half of what Intel was offering them for back in the day. The last thing they're going to do is experiment with new ideas like price hikes when they're just trying to regain footing at the moment.
>>53579350
If a hair dryer puts up a huge bill then graphics cards must have some good dent too.
>>53583678
>2400W
>Vs ~200W
>Q1 financials are abysmal (very likely)
>earlier than expected Pascal announcements (likely)
>Intel/AMD graphics licensing rumor turns out false (likely)
There is lots of good news about AMD, but don't buy at $2.90. Stock might be back down to $2 in a week.
investing in AMD is a very bad idea, it is unlikely that they will ever be profitable or grow/diversify enough to pay off creditors within the next 10 years, even with successful products that sweep the competition (which won't happen, the best AMD is going to hope for is superior price/perf, which they've shown they no longer care about when they raised the prices of their rebranded GPUs despite no changes in performance).
>>53576734
why is your screenshot piss tained
>>53583678
it's not a large change in the bill. the largest difference is in how much heat the card puts out, the difference between a 390 and a 970 is night and day in this regard. in gaming, my 390 would need 100% fan and would heat the room a lot. with my 970, i can keep the fan under 40% (nearly inaudible) and don't notice much change in ambient temp.
I think most of the big players are hoping AMD does well or even ok with ZEN, nobody want a total intel monoply, microsoft and sony have AMD in consols and apple could just buy AMD with change found in the sofa.
>>53586086
This tbqh as much as some of you /g/ tards hate amd, they are essential to the cpu and gpu market. Like anon said no one wants a monopoly.
>>53586036
>One card heats the room, the other doesn't
>One is noisy the other isn't
>Roughly a twenty percent difference in power consumption
I'm calling bullshit.
>>53574894
Yes, invest now or stay poor forever.
>>53576426
>polaris limited to 4GB
[citation needed]
Sad if true.
>>53576614
financial analyst here.
Market speculation plays a bigger role then just buying Supply and Demand Zones even when it comes to past blue chip stocks.
Im not going into further searching on anymore info but, you can see that they announced Zen on June I believe of last year. You see the stock raise .50cents (USD) then about to test the supply zone in April then gets pushed back to the downside. some news came sep 27 that pushed it to nearly 3USD thats an 80% return, I'll keep my eye on this stock.
when does Zen come out again?
>>53588675 (you)
>>53576334
>using MVA
>USING RSI
>USING MACD
>MACD 12,26,9
>USING 2 RSI
thats a lot of noise there buddy.
Remember doing day trading when I was younger. Heres a big tip get rid of the Indicators learn to trade Supply and Demand Zones and Candle stick trading. without all of those I can see that the Low 1.75 was a shooting star candle stick before 'exploding' to the upside. that would have been the best indicator to buy and hold there.
>>53588831
Here's your (you) big guy
>>53576215
yea, and then the fury came out at 650$, remember pre 980ti amd could have easily charged 800-900 as it was matched against a titan X
the non X fury should also be noted as it was 550, and the same chip as the X just air cooled.
so their "we dont want to be seen as the budget brand/the cheap brand" may mean they don't want to be seen as worse then their competitors,
>>53577879
>>53577865
because they are hopeful idiots.
if we believe 40% gain in ipc, which i think everyone does now, that puts it at least at sandy bridge performance
amd claimed well above what they expected, and the rumor shifted to a hair away from skylake.
now what you need to keep in mind is the 8 core 16 thread cpu is half the die size of the 8350
amd cant charge high end prices because intel has brand recognition and loyalty, but what if amd just completely fucked over intel for at least 1 generation of cpu? i would personally put the 8 core 16 thread at least at the i7 price point, because intel and amd are about at size parody at that point, and intel can not sell the i7 at the same price as something that easily kicks its ass, they have to drop the price, and hit themselves in the wallet hard.
then amd could just match the price if they wanted to, intel, to make money on the i7 line would have to lob off the igpu.
it would be a colossal fuck you to intel.
>>53583557
no, amd literally can't sell at the same price as intel due to loyalty and marketing, but they could undercut intel easily and still pull massive profits, because die size wise, there is NO FUCKING REASON for an i7 to cost 300+$ when die space is around 100-150$
>>53576232
they have almost no stake in the server market, and as far as i can tell, amd is making cpus intel does not have an answer for.
when you need processing power, you need it, there is no way around that.
you also have to take into account that if amd even gains 10% of the server market, that would put them over 2 billion in profit
>>53576038
2 billion may sound like allot to you, a person, but to a multi national company, 2 billion is jack shit.
>>53576150
you wont lose the full 300$, likely yo would loose around 100 before its obvious to pull out.
>>53586036
How much does nvidia pay you to say this shit?
>>53586036
I remember you cunts saying the same thing when Bulldozer was about to be released all those years ago which begs the question: why do you put so much faith in a company which consistently fails to meet expectations?
>>53589176
>amd claimed well above what they expected,
No, they literally never did. AMD claimed that they would have a greater than 40% IPC uplift for their *current* datacenter parts vs the upcoming Zen based parts.
AMD's current line of Opterons are years old and based on Piledriver.
AMD has never even remotely hinted that IPC would be over 40% higher than Excavator.
>, and the rumor shifted to a hair away from skylake.
This isn't a rumor, its a total fabrication from shit eating retards on Reddit who are trying to make hilariously bad estimations based on Passmark scores.
The top end of Summit Ridge isn't going to be cheap. Take your ridiculous fanboy delusions and choke to death on them. You fucking morons who continually, year after year, do nothing but give other idiots false hope do far more harm to AMD than intel ever has in their entire operating history. Fuck yourself and die, you miserable faggot.
>>53590598
>AMD has never even remotely hinted that IPC would be over 40% higher than Excavator.
Whats it like being a dipshit?
>>53577969
Announce in April
Release in May/June
so what you're saying is
I should wait for the next gen AMD cards?
The future product releases are already factored into the stock price you fucking dummy.
Please try to learn some logic before assuming big time investors haven't heard of zen.
Econ 101
I hope I will finaly be able to get me decent quadcore with hyperthreading (SMT) to replace my 2500k.
I'm done with Intel bribing people and their marginal useless upgrades every generation of cpu's.
I'm just hoping they will live up to all the hype with polaris and zen so I can finaly buy some of their products
>>53590985
>you really are this illiterate
Whats it like having the mental capacity of a 5 year old, you little retarded faggot twerp?
It is 40% higher IPC than Excavator, not greater 40% higher.
>>53591910
Not the guy you're arguing with but here you go.
>>53591910
>d-d-damage control!
>>53591983
>Look at how much of a shit eating retard I am
That is in comparison to Piledriver Opterons, not Excavator consumer CPUs. As was already made explicitly clear.
Try to actually read, fucktard. Or don't. Just keep being a brain damaged fanboy retard who stirs up false hope and continually damages AMD when they can't live up to the bullshit expectations you cretins fabricate.
>>53592027
>That is in comparison to Piledriver Opterons, not Excavator consumer CPUs. As was already made explicitly clear.
Oh ok.
>Try to actually read, fucktard. Or don't. Just keep being a brain damaged fanboy retard who stirs up false hope and continually damages AMD when they can't live up to the bullshit expectations you cretins fabricate.
Yeah, well fuck you too.
>>53589245
>they have almost no stake in the server market
actually all support CPUs are AMD like 95% or so
forgot what server guys call it, some intermediate client thingy
>>53592187
AMD has a solid footing when it comes to thinclients, thats not saying much though. They make about as much money there as they do from their low end crapbook APUs.
When it comes to their Opteron server CPUs competing against intel's Xeons, AMD is at 1% market share. That is where the real money is in X86, enterprise chips that sell for $1000~ Thats what they want to recapture a big chunk of.
>>53590397
they don't though...
i expected bulldozer to be a multithreaded monster, it was... thing sucked single core though and was a regression from what they had out already, if devs actually made proper threading and multicore support, amd would have been king, but no it took till amd themselves put out an api that used multi core/threads for everyone else to go "that's a great idea" and implement it themselves.
>>53591457
next gen fuckin anything, that die shrink is going to be a fucking massive boost in performance all round for a VERY large price drop on the performance as well.
>>53591541
yes and no.
they get a boost on speculation, but once products come out and you see how good they are, that's when the major boost happens, you get a second major boost when sales figures are shown.
>>53591581
don't forget them completely screwing you on price too... how many die shrinks have happened since sandy bridge and the i7 still costs what? and its performance did dick all from one gen to another to boot.
>>53591983
>>53590985
we got both of the talking points here.
one before they had silicon and were making estimates, one after when they had test silicon.
>>53592959
One is a comparison to Excavator, the other is only a comparison to Piledriver.
Stop creating a false narrative to raise expectations to an unrealistic level.
Ignoring facts and reality to this degree is beyond pathetic.
>>53579350
Not him, but my room is the hottest in the house and I run hot to begin with. TDP is actually going to be a huge factor in choosing my next card.
>>53574894
I also though about buying amd stock since it can't get any worse than it's now to be honest. Plus I have a few hundred euros to spare..
