Just a reminder that anyone using Arch for "minimalism" or "freedom of choice" is a fucking retard.
https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2015-July/039443.html
STRAIGHT FROM AN ARCH DEV
ARCH SHILLS B T F O
TL;DR?
Arch shills WILL defend this.
>>53572908
tl;dr Arch is actually the LEAST minimal and flexible distro, straight from the developers.
>>53572908
>Arch is the *opposite* of a user-centric freedom. The opinion of users has no weight here. Only the developers have an opinion, and there aren't voting systems as there are in Debian.
Just read it you nigger.
Would you recommend then as an alternative?
>inb4 hurr durr use gentoo
tl;dr
more systemd bitterness.
pkg groups are minimal or vanilla meaning original as they should be
unlike the ubuntu experience where you can not install lxde and lxde only
and it is easier to use
and fuck systemd and fuck you OP
and fuck the Arse devs too
fuck you
PROTIP: manjaro-openrc
it's on Sourceforge...
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>>53572966
From the page:
>It has also never been a distribution offering much user freedom / choice compared to Gentoo
Install Gentoo
>>53572984
fuck you
>>53572997
fuck you too
>>53572984
>manjaro
You mean the guys that are so incompetent, they forgot to renew their SSL cert and told their users to turn the system clocks back to fix it?
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>>53573017
God reading that was so worth it. I can hear the Arch cry babies now.
>>53572797
color me not surprised.
>>53572966
If you want flexibilty go with Gentoo, if you want minimalism go with CRUX, if you want something in between I suggest Voidlinux.
>>53572964
Is that why they get shit done while debian needs 3 years and two six re votes to change something?
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>>53572976
>where you can not install lxde and lxde only
what
>>53573114
FuCk YoU
>>53573142
>mfw arch users are so butthurt they try to derail the thread
>>53573173
Majaro s gud imho
>>53573179
>r-retard
>d-d-dumb ass can't install arch!
>y-you can't install it? t-t-op kek
>>53573132
try it
it will pull all sort of other non related software like chromium, that goes even for the lxde minimal group
it was also a nightmare to get whats needed to compile anything
>>53572966
Windows 10. Unless you're a terrorist or pedophile.
>>53572976
>the only arch alternative is ubuntu
I'm sure there is some name for this falacy
>>53573200
Can't wait!
>>53572966
Manjaro
>>53573026
To be fair, they didn't insist it's a fix, just a workaround
>>53572797
ARCH BLOWN THE FUCK OUT BOYS
>>53573099
It's not a bad thing. Being "stable" means people will have the time to adopt upcoming changes.
>>53573289
To be fair, that's probably over of the worst things they could have suggested from a security perspective.
>>53573067
have some pizza
>>53573308
Well if you urgently needed something from the forums so bad you couldn't wait a day, then you could probably afford the security risk involved anyway.
>>53573339
Are you retarded?
That same SSL cert was supposed to "protect" their repos.
Oh look, another retarded HURR SYSTEMD IS EVIL thread.
It's over, trolls, systemd has won. There's no justification for not using it any more. The older init systems have proven to be ineffective, inefficient, and poorly executed, and systemd fixes ALL OF THAT.
>but but but mah bloat
What bloat? Seriously, if you can't handle something actually taking care of the huge task of essential system maintenance so much better than anything before it being large, stop using your mommy's 20 year old PC.
>>53573085
Personally I always picked and used Arch for pacman and AUR not for the minimalism. He's right in that there is no freedom of choice, the devs make a decision on what to use and the users just have to deal with it (systemd as prime example). That doesn't bother me.
You kids just like to spout memes at every corner like mouthbreathing retards. Arch is a great distro no matter what.
>>53573357
Literally nobody was talking about systemd until you brought it up. Read the OP fucking retard. It's got nothing to do with systemd.
>>53573354
Well it's fixed now anyway and they seem to have learned their lesson
>>53573357
You know what? In gay Pubs in Jew York is actually "trending" to get a black dick up your ass... IT'S OVER. SODOMY HAS WON !!
NOW BEND DOWN, PLEASE !!
>>53573363
ADF
IN FULL "REPAIRING" ACTION HERE
>>53573362
>>53573085
delete these images
>>53572964
>Arch is the *opposite* of a user-centric freedom
>literally the distro with the biggest user repository
Not sure if I understand
>>53572797
>wanting minimalism
>wanting freedom of choice
>not using LFS
/g/ has fallen beyond what's acceptable
>>53573406
Freedom in the sense that you can build the system in any way you want (init system, libc, ssl implementation etc..) and still receive support for it while not running the risk of it breaking at a moments notice on any given update.
>>53572797
>or "freedom of choice"
I love when deluded fucks clinge to this so much
Linux was never about muh choice
https://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-devel-list/2008-January/msg00861.html
>>53573357
Runit with openrc is damn good for an init, systemDicks is a shitty userspace system that has an init.
So what is a good alternative if I want up2d8 packages, little to no compiling stuff and the least amount of pre-installed packages?
>>53573406
What is the openSUSE build service?
>>53573200
Nigga kde os bloated as fuck. Even Xfce. Go NET install.
>>53573479
Ubuntu minimal.
No seriously, put aside the /g/ memes for a second, you can make an Ubuntu minimal installation far FAR more flexible and lightweight than any Arch installation while still having convenience and choice if you want it.
>>53573487
An ocean of 404 links
>>53573479
Void.
Runit, binary based, ports, rolling release, minimal.
>>53573200
>leaves arch because it's bloated
>uses kde
>>53573512
>Ubuntu
>minimal
I will definitely look into this
No joke anon
>>53573515
Never seen a 404 links on the OBS.
>>53573381
it's all about systemd and one man's vain struggle in a sea of butthurt.
>>53573512
it still pulls the same things and you end up with the same thing as the release.iso
>>53573538
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
>>53573561
Except it lets you choose which packages to install.
>>53573544
https://software.opensuse.org/package/fontconfig-infinality?search_term=infinality
>>53573561
>On the software selection screen, you can select from a number of collections of software such as different desktop environments (kde, xfce, etc), a multitude of different servers, multimedia creation tools, media center (mythbuntu), etc. You can also select "Manual package selection" which will take you to aptitude. You may also select nothing and just continue to finish the installation. If you selected nothing, upon reboot you will arrive at a cli prompt; from here you can fully customize your new system.
>>53573525
Maybe this is it
looks breddy gud
>>53573586
page loads fine for me. Sorry you're living in a third world country with shitty network infrastructure. One click install as proof.
>>53573600
So... install LXDE
>>53573653
Try the Tumbleweed one
>>53573683
The one click install link for tumbleweed's official package is working fine too.
https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?project=openSUSE%3AFactory&package=fontconfig-infinality Direct link to repo homepage
https://software.opensuse.org/ymp/openSUSE:Factory/snapshot/fontconfig-infinality.ymp?base=openSUSE%3AFactory&query=fontconfig-infinality Direct link to one click installer script.
You either have network issues or you're seriously grasping at straws here.
>>53573728
The one click installer only threw up a couple errors in YaST, and the repo homepage shows pic related.
Just a reminder that if you are so triggered by the mere fact that someone uses a distro you don't like in a way that has no effect on you that you feel the need to sperg out at the mention of its name and turn this into a borderline general with your autistic bitching, you should probably just kill yourself.
Jesus, when the fuck did 4chan turn into tumblr?
>>53573794
Tumblr is just 4chan for grills
>>53573808
Pretty much. But with the same level of autism.
Archeschoolboys are not people.
>>53573305
Or, from a different point of view: Arch users have to adopt to changes, while Debian users get to the deprecated shit they're oh so used to a little longer. Case in point, ifconfig vs ip
>>53573993
It's a fresh fucking install
>rolling release is a meme
I suppose so, but I didn't want to be stuck with outdated KDE5
>>53573977
>Arch users have to adopt to changes
Which is DEFINITELY what you want in a stable, production environment.
>What do you mean the billing system is down again?
>yeah, the Arch devs decided to arbitrarily switch init system again
>>53574032
>using Arch in a production environment instead of using any distro optimized for a production environment
>>53574032
I don't think Arch is a good server OS. I use Alpine on my servers.
But Arch is good and fun on my desktop.
>>Community memes don't define the distribution
Now that's a TOLD if I've ever seen one.
>>53574056
You're the one arguing for Arch against Debian.
>>53574060
... and I wouldn't put Arch on workstations either, because I know from experience how retarded people are.
>>53574081
Not the same anon
>>53572966
>>53573525
>void
isn't this mainly developed by a single dude like #! was?
>>53572797
>It has always used significantly more disk space and a measurable amount of additional memory than Debian and especially Gentoo as a consequence of keeping things simple (again, from a development perspective).
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Since this is a Linux circle jerk thread.
Mint Mate or Debian?
>>53575622
Debian MATE. There isn't a lot of reasons to go with Mint instead of Ubuntu.
>>53573546
This. They also lost credibility with the following statement:
>Community memes don't define the distribution, technical choices by the
developers do.
>Community memes
>memes
So what exactly is the point of Arch?
>>53575801
AUR
>>53575801
Memes
>>53573354
>That same SSL cert was supposed to "protect" their repos.
That's false.
>>53575801
it just werks
i installed Arch ARM rootfs on a tablet and shit just works even with custom 3.4 kernel
it takes ages to achieve anything on gentoo and debian is too old. Arch is the sweet spot
>>53572797
>not using gentoo
>>53575759
Now I don't mean to spark up a shitstorm. But what's wrong with Systemd? And does Debian MATE use it?
The assurance that the average Arch loudmouth doesn't affect development does make the distribution somewhat more attractive.
>>53575801
>So what exactly is the point of Arch?
What's the point of any distro? When did it become required that a distro have some sort of cheesy mission statement?
>>53576031
Exactly right. It's the developers who do the work, let it be their vision that directs things.
>>53575801
As cutting edge as reasonable binary packages with as less (if any) changes from upstream as possible.
>>53573228
So, any other option?
>>53572966
t./g/'s pet
>muh unfounded systemd hate because /g/ told me so
>>53572966
Gentoo is actually pretty decent - it isn't just a meme. Installation isn't any more complex than Arch - just takes more time to setup because the packages need to compile.
>>53577013
>using an outdated kernel
>>53577242
updating is boring and long so this anon won't update ever and perform a fresh install with a newer kernel when available. Typical retardness of gentoo
>>53577543
>Typical retardness of gentoo
No, I think that's just you.
>>53577242
>>53577543
>implying using Gentoo means having bleeding edge everything like the Arch Way(tm)
>>53572797
i'm using arch because it just werks
>>53577543
>updating is boring and long
with that CPU you might be right and that's why distcc exists
>Typical retardness of gentoo
Nah, just yours and from the anon that posted the screenshot
>>53577784
i gotta admit it, if i didn't want to go rolling, bleeding edge and have a trimmed down system i wouldn't use Gentoo
>>53577784
>implying it doesn't
>he doesn't know about ~amd64
No anon, the difference is that Gentoo gives you the CHOICE.
>>53577242
Kernel is only a few months old and the most current stable version. Of all the things to troll someone about I really don't understand this.
https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/sys-kernel/gentoo-sources
>>53575801
It's more or less a simplified Gentoo with the advantage of having an actual package repository
>>53572797
>Arch is developer-centric
>OP is not a developer
>OP is a consumer/gaymer/ricer
Good riddance
>>53577853
Sorry anon, the AUR may be an excuse for sparsely populated official repos, but it sure as hell doesn't stand up to what Gentoo has.
>>53577869
Then stick to Gentoo, nigger
>>53577833
Exactly.
Which is why I chose to go with amd64 for stability.
>>53577868
Developer-centric if you're an Arch dev, retard. In other words "whatever makes life easy for us."
Only retards who need to feel superior to other Linux users use Arch. Arch Linux's community is more cancerous than the terminal cancer in my lungs.
>>53577891
>he doesn't dev Arch
>he doesn't dev all the FOSS software he uses
>he doesn't know the joy of getting bug fixes and features instantly by adding them himself
Okay.
>>53577013
Why is your CPU at 3.3? I have the same problem with my X220, for some reason you can't turn off turbo
>>53572966
Kubuntu
>>53577933
Except as a Gentoo user, yeah, I do. Not only can I maintain my own patches, my package manager makes it seamless to apply them on every installation of a particular package.
Meanwhile, Archfags have to maintain an entire package and it's updates.
Tell me again how Arch is developer-centric.
>>53577946
That's actually how it should be with the new intel_pstate driver.
It uses less energy than with a regular scaling driver due to race-to-idle conditions.
>>53577013
>Gentoo with systemd
u wat m8?
>>53578243
Why not?
>>53577962
>Not only can I maintain my own patches
That's monkey patching, not developing. You're supposed to push stuff upstream, that's the point.
>>53578300
literally no reasons to use gentoo if you have systemd.
>>53578330
Why?
I use arch for the aur and the wiki
>Thread written to incite the anger of Archfags and prove their elitist personalities.
>Thread gets flooded with Gentoo ass-nuggets who only prove they're worse than Archfags in the elitism department.
/thread
derailed
This almost makes me want to use Arch
>arch
>>53578351
gentoo is shit only good point is init system
>>53572966
Crux or Exherbo. Why not?
Why not try one of the BSDs? Try OpenBSD for example.
>>53578613
nice countermemeing my friend
>>53578351
Spending countless hours for 10minutes battery life
2-3% perf improvement
not worth in my opinion
good point to bloatness which is inexistant if correctly configured.
>>53574628
seriously why do people bother with these distros 10 people use over a fedora/suse/debian/etc
>>53572797
>systemd autism
Fuck off
