>pic related
>>53524878
Is linux outdated?
>>53524912
> a new kernel version was just
> outdated
wut
>>53524945
outdated =/= deprecated
Linux is outdated because it relies too much on the oudated concept of CLI, instead of fully embracing the GUI, like Apple and Microsoft have
>>53524912
It has always been
You posted a mobile internet usb stick.
How is this outdated?
>>53525000
>Windows 10 puts their settings in two different places on the GUI
CLI is more productive than GUI, admit it.
>>53525031
lmao sure if you want to know 10000 different commands to even do anything
>>53525000
>Apple and Microsoft
You mean like Windows Server, where you are forced to enter obnoxious commands to unfuck the update queue or the active directory settings or homOSeX where you have to use the command line every second time you want to do something outside of the home user setting?
>tfw That said, you're right.
>>53524878
no. i've been using one of those just this week for testing gsm network connectivity
>>53524878
Why is that outdated?
>>53525031
>CLI is more productive than GUI, admit it.
lolno
4chan, it seems
>>53525025
Nobody use them anymore.
At least, nobody in first world countries.
>>53525086
So you mean nobody outside of Japan,
South Korea and Europe? That's still billions of peoples.
>>53525046
>what is a config file
>>53525086
Kek suddenly nobody replies anymore.
>>53525133
ur a dumbass
>>53525031
>CLI is more productive than GUI, admit it.
That's retarded. There is no reason a GUI can't have all the same options. And a CLI isn't more productive most of the time, especially if you don't use the command frequently enough to have it memorized.
I could have changed a setting on a router in a GUI in a fraction of the time it took me to look up the syntax for some obscure Cisco IOS command for that particular router.
>>53525158
Don't get assblasted just because you live in a shithole, mang.
>>53524878
superceded by the nigger OVER 9000
>>53525129
not something you edit with a command line interface
>>53525174
you have an argument until you learn to pipe the output of one command into another. This is the power of the CLI. Once you can write shell scripts you have a powerful programming language at your disposal, and you can do things easily that no practical GUI can begin to attempt.
>>53525216
>what is a command line text editor
winbabby pls
>>53525220
you learn ti pipe the output of one command (that you don't know of) into another one (that you also don't know of)
now, here, spend 2 hours looking up how they work
>>53525133
yeah because you're so oblivious of reality that you're not worth replying to.
>>53525248
so you admit that you can do a lot more with a CLI, you just don't want to spend any time learning.
>>53524878
>muh lte trash
>>53524912
YES
E
S
>>53525031
CLI is robust, low effort to make, and much more "powerful", aka you can easily use CLI programs within scripts or other programs. And of course you can run them on embedded systems and/or without supervision.
>>53525259
That wasn't me, and you never gave any examples that are unusable via a GUI anyway.
>>53525259
>spend 10 hours learning how to do something
vs
>do something in 10 minutes with a gui and jerk off for 5 hours 50 minutes
>>53525180
Im on my way to your cuntry to claim refugee status, collect sweet moni and pussi all day long when I'm there. Let's see who has the longer breath and last laugh.
Not a fucking day without regretting I fell for the SSD meme.
>>53525324
>he bought the bait 'n switch SSD
>he even considered getting a kingston
man, you really are retarded
>>53525278
There is nothing stopping a script from running from a graphical interface either. The same shit is happening behind the scenes. The only difference is that a GUI is more user friendly and intuitive.
>>53525282
that's well and good until you encounter a task that a GUI can't do, or can't do well.
this interface is needed to do not quite all of the file-renaming you can do with three terminal commands.
>>53525356
and yet the GUI is easier to use, since you don't need to memorise -all the --switches
>>53525282
>spend years learning to pilot an airplane
vs
>riding a bike instantly
No-brainer to anyone really.
>>53525429
>learn to fly a plane with controls instantly
>manually move around the plane and manipulate the flaps
idk, the controls seem easier than your manual manipulation CLI
The x86 architecture.
>>53525377
>what is command --help
nobody memorizes all the switches, just a few that they use all the time. There's always a quick reference to what all of them are at your fingertips.
you remind me of the friend I had where I got the bulk file rename example from. He had a folder of a few hundred pictures that he wanted renamed according to certain rules. Couldn't figure out the above program, spent all afternoon renaming them one by one. You can to the same thing on the terminal in a few minutes, even if you have to look up the switches and regexp syntax for the commands.
>>53525377
>>53525449
#rekt
>>53525461
If he couldn't figure out that program then there is no way in hell he would have figured out the CLI version.
>>53525353
of course. Having a gui is a great thing, but not all programs can have or need a GUI, and keeping the GUI separate from the real functions of the program is also nice and very practical.
>>53525515
Sorry luv, tablets are here to stay
Might even replace laptops at one point
>>53525025
Because it is built in to all phones now.
>>53525449
>learning to fly a plane
>instantly
Actual pilot here, can confirm we learn it all in the first 5 minutes and spend the remaining 3 years in school just masturbating.
>>53525534
I'd like to think that he meant tablets with mobile OS, which is indeed dying.
>>53525276
>recently
>>53525534
Surface show that it's not replacing anything. Great contribution to the thread though.
>>53525119
>Europe is a country
>>53525324
>kingston
m8...
>>53525449
manual manipulation is more akin to programming the apps yourself
a gui might be like using the controls, but command line is literally telling the plane what to do
>>53525512
Most should, especially shit a normal user will need to use. GUI also make people less error prone. Less likely to forget a required command or fat finger one.
>>53525580
>Android
>most used operating system in the world
>dying
>>53525512
I personally love a GUI front end for a config file. A good example is grub customizer.
With it, you can get to the point, see what you are doing and you can edit it without worrying about writing something wrong and not being able to boot.
And you can remove the application when you are done and use the setup as if you never got any assistance...
>>53525000
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
The popular distros all have GUI alternatives to what can be done with the CLI.
It doesn't matter anyway, the CLI is far more powerful and useful than any GUI.
>>53525216
Fucking moron.
>>53525620
>The popular distros all have GUI alternatives to what can be done with the CLI.
yet whenever I google for
"[Something] problem Ubuntu" all I get is
>here open up the terminal and hack the gibson
>>53525613
Tablets as in slightly larger phones without regular call abilities.
Daily reminder people were much more productive 30 years ago before GUIs. Yeah, the learning curve was steeper, but once they got proficient in keyboard shortcuts, text interfaces proved to be super fast.
>>53525225
not a command line interface
the fact that you're running an application in a terminal window doesn't mean that the application is a command line interface.
>>53525659
>
A command line interface (CLI) is a type of human-computer interface (i.e., a way for humans to interact with computers) that relies solely on textual input and output. That is, the entire display screen, or the currently active portion of it, shows only characters (and no images), and input is usually performed entirely with a keyboard.
>>53525632
... It's Linux, you schmuck. Of course you'd have to muck about in the terminal.
If you want quick and easy problem solving, go for Windows. If you want to see the active heartbeat of your OS, go for Linux.
>>53525659
>you can't edit config files with a command line interface
>what is sed?
>what is awk?
>what is perl?
>what is vi?
> "recently" according to who?
> what does "recently" mean in terms of time?
I still miss my big boy, I used to take it downtown and show the sweet ladies who the king of swing really was...
I miss the ol' good days...
>>53525450
Underrated post.
x86 is the parallel port of CPUs: it's not faster than RISC CPUs like ARM and MIPS anymore now that we're reaching the miniaturization limit.
>>53525632
That's because it's fucking better, you simpleton. It's both quicker and easier than searching through some convoluted GUI.
The only reason the shitty GUI features like the software center were implemented is that the CLI scares many newcomers away.
how about we do tasks better suited for command line (file utilities, chat clients, text editing, etc. (basically anything text-focused)) in the command line and do things better suited for guis in a gui (image manipulation, web browsing, video games, document rendering, audio production/editing)
gee it's almost like you can have more than one thing in your arsenal of things to use
>>53525672
No. That definition is bullshit.
A command line interface is an interface that accepts text commands as input.
A text editor is not a command line. It's a text editor.
>>53525615
I really like that format too. I want all config and state/temporary data in a couple files which can be manipulated with or without a gui.
>>53525734
guideline:
if your application is nothing more than organized text and buttons
please make a CLI interface
if your application features rich content and images, graphics, vectors, whatever else,
don't try to shove it into a CLI
Reminder that any systems/network administrator, regardless of what operating system they use, works with CLIs on a daily basis. Even on Windows, CLIs are more efficient and automatable. The folks bashing CLIs here are not technology professionals, just some outspoken fanboys and/or trolls.
>>53525052
This man knows
>>53525736
vi accepts text commands as input, you mouthbreathing cocksucker
>>53525776
They're all part of the fucking /v/eddit moron Wintard invasion.
Why does it have to be this way? Why does /g/ have to suffer?
>>53525776
Just because I use CLI for Cisco shit constantly doesn't mean I have to like it or that I can't wish I had a GUI instead.
Also cautionary tale. I know of Linux people that literally scripted themselves out of a job. Had a script for pretty much everything, to the point where they no longer needed to pay him to be there.
>>53525776
What's CLI? Is it proprietary?
>>53525793
Not what I'm talking about.
Emacs can be run in a terminal. You can open various command lines within emacs whether you're running it in a terminal or in a windowing system. Emacs itself is not a command line.
>>53525850
>2016
>being a luddite
>>53525850
>Also cautionary tale. I know of Linux people that literally scripted themselves out of a job. Had a script for pretty much everything, to the point where they no longer needed to pay him to be there.
so you're saying we should favor inefficient and manual ways of doing things so as to protect our job security, to try and prevent what we do from being automated?
good luck with that. If you don't eat your own lunch, someone else will be happy to.
>>53525324
wait whats wrong with SSD
>>53525882
:%s/you/retard/
>>53525776
And you know what? Most systems administrators use guis and gui applications for most of the things that most people use computers for.
The people who insist on using terminal applications for every dumb bullshit little thing are mostly recent linux adopters who think it's super cool to run a music player in a terminal.
>>53525946
Stop liking what I don't like: the post
>>53525986
No actually, I'm pointing out the truth.
Most people who work with computer professionally don't spend hours ricing their desktop so that they can look cool on 4chan.
Most of the time when I see their computers they're pretty much stock and boring because they're too busy doing shit to worry about things like terminal chat clients.
>>53525654
This.
I'm an oldfag programmer, used to write systems in Clipper and dBase.
Users could use those systems much more efficiently back then, but these days I am forced to give them unproductive GUIs in order to not scare them away.
>>53525901
I am saying you should do your job instead of making your job obsolete. If you do your job well enough tech muggles won't even think twice about it. Just lace your explanations with a fair dose of jargon, and you may as well be doing magic in their eyes.
See, I like to be able to afford my lunch rather than making some fat wallets fatter at my expense.
>>53525909
The performance increase isn't that impressive when compared to the higher costs and shorter life of the drive. SSDs are just fine if you have money to waste on them though.
>>53525946
This.
>>53525901
just make the scripts so hard to use/maintain that they'll keep you.
>>53526043
>Most people who work with computer professionally don't spend hours ricing their desktop so that they can look cool on 4chan.
I don't have any stats on that, but most people I work with (me included) just run multiple terminals on cwm and most of the time have no GUI applications open.
Right now I have Iceweasel because I'm shitposting on 4ching, but that's it.
I am also listening to music on the terminal btw. Sue me.
>>53525000
Show me a gui program that can do things as efficiently as a cli script
>>53526123
are you the hacker 4chan?
>>53526056
>I am saying you should have no work ethic.
Okay.
>>53526127
a program launcher :^)
click Chrome instead of typing in google-chrome
>>53526056
>not combining the approaches
automate your job and then make it look like you're doing wizardly stuff, when in reality every day is an hour of work and seven hours of shitposting.
of course the disadvantage to both this and your approach is that if anyone ever finds out that they're paying you to do something that can be or has been automated, you're just as fired. It's nice while it lasts but in the long run the only way to stay employed is to be doing new stuff that's ahead of what's being automated.
>>53526158
Why would you use a cli to open a gui program?
>>53525515
I love my Hudl. So comfy.
>>53526202
idk, you guys seem to have a hard on for doing stuff through CLI, so that's the scenario I put up
>>53526208
>android 4.4
>>53526245
5.1 now bro.
>>53526261
so why not post a more up to date pic, you WPfag
>>53526269
Chill your tits lad it's from Google Images
>>53526284
eat shit
>>53526290
No u
>>53526144
>not putting yourself out of work for the benefit of your corporate masters
>no work ethic
Lol, no. Shit still gets done, it just requires you to do it.
>>53526168
Look, it's not like I am saying you should do stupid shit like disabling DHCP and do that shit manually. I am just saying there is a lot of shit that "could be" automated that you don't need to automate.
>>53525569
kek
Hard drives.
Or if they aren't outdated now, they will be in under 6 months when the new stuff enters the market and SSDs start entering more reasonable price range.
>>53526524
I hard drives is for people who are too poor for tape.
>>53525946
This
>>53526524
Nah, doubt it will happen that soon. Sure small SSDs <512GB are relatively affordable but once you go beyond 2TB, which isn't even much these days, the prices are pretty cray.
>>53526524
>recurring meme: the post
>>53526600
>sequential read only
nah I'm good.
>>53526649
Mushkin is going to start selling 4TB for 500$ during summer.
http://techreport.com/news/29583/mushkin-previews-a-500-4tb-ssd-at-ces
The prices on the smaller sizes are going to have to start falling pretty quickly when that enters the market.
>>53526668
Which is becoming reality.
HDD is going to be a viable long time external storage, but as an internal storage it's days are very quickly coming to an end.
>>53525946
Ncurses is a GUI.
And using a ncurses music player is not that much different that any other music player. The only difference is that there is no album art built into the thing, you have to add that manually if you want it.
And you can click through things in htop too.
>>53525654
>>53526051
That was more because the kind of person who was using a computer at work 30 years ago generally wasn't some 20-something shithead hipster with ADHD and a shit ton of distractions through the internet on their systems, not solely because they kludged their way through a CLI interface for everything. There was a reason the two paradigms co-existed with each other on anything with any kind of horsepower.
>>53524945
No one cares that it's call gnu/Linux get over yourself JESUS CHRIST
>>53525198
>mfw a cotton farm I visited last year called their machine "Jim Crow"
>>53526715
Which will still take a good while, besides, while 500 bucks for 4TB is cheap for a SSD, as pure external storage it's rather pricey.
Though sure, if we talk about internal storage, HDDs are pretty obsolete even now.
>>53526687
Just get multiple drives.
It is really fast and you can cheaply keep offsite backups in a safe or something.
>>53526715
talk to me when an mSATA 1TB SSD can be had for ~150USD
'til then, I'll keep rockin' my 2TB 2.5" that I paid 98buckalux on.
>>53525000
Except you are wrong. No beginner Distro doesn't have a GUI for everything.
>>53527659
Nice one anon.
>>53525000
windows toddlers ladies and gentlemen
>>53527714
He/she isn't completely wrong thought. Apple hits the balance best, you still have your terminal but normal people will never see it.
You can't fucking change the theme to something nice on Linux without terminal.
>>53527758
>You can't fucking change the theme to something nice on Linux without terminal.
that's wrong
>>53527758
>You can't fucking change the theme to something nice on Linux without terminal
you cant change a theme at all without 3rd party gimmicks on windows / OSX
>>53525119
>billions of people
the three places you mentioned don't even have 1 billion people combined you fucking mongol
>>53525909
It's a meme you dip
>>53527790
Focus on "something nice". The stock shit is horrible.
>>53527800
3rd party gimmicks that are perfectly accessible for a normal computer user. Terminal isn't.
>>53527758
Dafug you smoking?
>see wallpaper
>right click "Set as wallpaper"
wew lad
>>53527758
Windows has powershell, you retard.
>>53525282
>5:50 + :10 = 10:00
>>53527850
if you want to bloat your system with useless crap for the sake of ricing on a restricted OS, thats fine
you get what you deserve
>>53527854
>>53527871
oh dear...
>>53527813
>EU = 508 mil
>Japan = 126 mil
>SK = 51 mil
Holy shit, you're right!
>>53527813
>wat is a reeding comperhanson?
>>53525377
>switches
Back to your Fischer-Price OS, lad.
>>53527758
>>53527850
What the fuck, all you have to do to add themes that aren't stock is make directories and extract files into them. You can do that with a GUI. It's fucking insanely faster with the command line though.
>>53527871
It's fucking shit. At least Mac OS is UNIX.
Pic related
>>53525659
>what is nano
>what is vim
>what is vi
>what is emacs
>these are (for the most part) installed on every distro (not all of them)
>>53529296
Forgot to mention that there is no GUI on some linux systems.
>>53524878
>yfw that is still my primary connection to the internet
>Optus tho
>>53525324
I'm glad I have been using SSD's as boot drive since 2002
>>53524878
Those things suck dick. Or maybe it was just the Vodafone network that sucked dick.
>>53529581
>SSD
>2002
>implying there even where ssds back then
u wot m8
>>53529649
>SSD's as boot drive
All you need for a boot drive is 2MB or so. They had 256MB flash drives in 2002 for like 20$
>>53529649
>>53529677
We had cache drive's on workstations, like 20GB, witch I snapped when they got exchanged at work. PATA drives.
>>53529677
you could put Win98 on a CompactFlash card (since they're basically IDE drives with a different connector), but you had to be careful to keep the swapfile off of them back then.
not too many people did it because flash was way more expensive than $20/256MB back then.
>>53525086
I still use my freedom pop stick on occasion
it's great for hotels or places where you can't get wifi
>>53524912
Its Server Software it can never be outdated
