Hacker culture seems to be dying and the Internet. How do we revive it?
The Internet was an open frontier of open protocols and standards like FTP, IRC, etc., but it's almost completely carved up now into Googlebook. Talking about "the Internet" and "Internet sites" and "making an Internet site" is archaic shit now. 99% of the shit happens in Microapplegoogle's App Store or inside X walled garden. Everything is drag and drop shit that gets monetized for some fucking company that takes a fat cut instead of YOUR content that you create.
The Internet is perhaps the last and only renewable frontier that we will experience. A frontier is important to give people hope and a space for free creation. How do we ensure that the Internet survives and is renewed?
>going analog
>gatherings in person, with secret symbols only members can identify
>>53517986
>Hacker culture seems to be dying and the Internet.
What ya talkin bout m8
There are a lot of forums n shit for that kind of stuff. I you see them slowing down, is because the internet is less and less being populated only by nerds.
>>53518024
This.
I've been avoiding Google, Microsoft and Apple and its going surprisingly fine. You just have to choose to step out of the normie bubble.
>>53518010
lol. How does that help the Internet to survive and get renewed?
>>53517986
Internet done goofed. All we can do is keep hacking, trolling the Web2.0 plebs with meme magic, supporting free software and encryption, and participating in and creating pre-cancer type of communities such as imageboards, IRC servers, forums, "le derp web" etc.
>>53518037
Plan on doing that within a year. Any advice? I still have normie friends and family.
>>53518056
you can make plans without being spied on, anon
>>53518063
How does that matter? so do I.
By no measure of the word do you NEED to have a facebook/twitter account.
Nigga, space on the internet isn't a limited resource. Literally the whole point and benefit of the internet is that cyberspace is practically infinite.
There's room for hackers, Google, jewbook and all the rest. If you see hacker communities dying it's because nobody is interested in that kind of thing anymore. Nobody is forcing you to use Google/Facebook services.
>>53518037
>>53518024
The only problem with this is that normalfags and businesses get heard more often and so they choose the direction in which the Internet is developing. Normalfag behavior gets mined and analyzed and the companies shape the Internet for their needs and interests.
We are basically acting like web survivalists and we are bound to die out. We either need some really competent people and good organization or we need to migrate to something new (Tor or something?).
>>53518063
> normal friends
> browsing /g/
you have to show me that trick
>>53517986
If you're smart just go into academia. The idiots have taken over.
>>53518111
Nigga, there are forums, chans, IRC, etc. dedicated to all of that. Trust me, the community isn't dying. In fact, I'm pretty that if we could somehow count every single one, we'll see a bigger amount than ever before. The supply and demand for technopats is growing constantly.
The internet, like fucking everything else that has ever existed in the recent history of mankind, is becoming a distribution model for multi-national corporations. Get over it and invest your time/efforts in building a separate infrastructure (Tor, meshnets, etc.) or fuck off.
Get rid of normalfags, to be literally honest. I'm not memeing, you literally cannot deny that the internet was more interesting before shit like Facebook and Twitter and that picture sharing thing (and to a lesser extent, MySpace) got traction.
If we want the internet to be more fun and interesting, we have to get rid of websites that make technology accessible to people who would otherwise abandon the simple thought of wanting to touch a keyboard.
>>53518111
So long as no one tampers with the bottom half of the netowork stack we will always be able to operate outside the normie sphere, there are groups of people such as the EFF who are working right now to try and protect the bits of the internet that we enjoy but yea, right now we are survivalists in an ever more proprietary and greed driven distopian gold rush. Somehow we have to create an area that is more difficult to racketeer within, something that is not directly monetisable and that is quite probably the final frontier of encryption.
>>53518180
But the percentage of hackers is way lower than it was at the beginning when it was like 95% with 5% richfags with minimal skills.
>>53518198
I agree. We need to work on Tor communities and shape them before le encryption bogeyman meme dies and cyberplebs populate it with their shit taste of bread and gaymez.
I'm not really sure I follow. If you don't use Facebook, how does the fact that millions of people you don't care about use Facebook matter?
Just ignore the dumb commercialised shit and spend time on sites you like. They're not going away.
>>53518115
Family by default. Friends, I honestly don't know how. I'm good looking and I'm raised in a small village where I was forced to communicate with others. I'm autistic as fuck but I don't hide it. Everbody knows it and takes me for who I am.
I never used facebook, or its predecessors (myspace, livejournal).
I did however post on Usenet 10-20 years ago, hang out on IRC, do the various small-time web forums stuff. All that is still up and running, but Usenet is mostly just binary newsgroups now, and a very small selection of technical newsgroups (most of those have since moved to mailing lists).
Anyway, there is still other stuff around too. Gopher for example still has dedicated users, and they're even making new & improved gopher servers. There are of course MUDs and telnet BBS.
Anyway the point is you don't have to play by any rules. You can go and use those old protocols, or make entirely new ones. There's nothing to stop you from using NNTP to make another chan, for example. The protocol itself can work fine with just one server, or even a small cluster for redundancy. The messages themselves don't have to be only text, they can contain base-64 or uuencoded images. And the nice thing is you're not bound to any specific client interface. Unlike all these Web 2.0 sites that use overcomplicated javascript, the NNTP protocol is very simple. It was simple enough to work on ancient 486 computer with only 4 MB RAM running Slackware (that's what I was using when I started out, and had SLiRP running before SLIP or PPP became available from my ISP).
(oh joy now I get to fill out street signs captcha that never works...)
>>53518588
>I don't hide it. Everbody knows it and takes me for who I am.
You can be awkward as fuck as long as you're confident about it, and own it.
When you're insecure about things it's noticeable, and it's human/animal nature to feel some disgust when you sense weakness. Ugly, but it is what it is.
Fake it till ya make it, aspies.
>>53518635
I forgot to post "this". Was quoting you as an example.
>>53518588
If you have just a couple of friends or family members who only communicate via Facebook and you need to keep in touch with them, it's enough to make you sign up. Then it can get out of your control when everybody stumbles upon you and you start accepting them.
Just use a fake last name, though, and you will be able to contain it to your tech-normie friends. Even if people list you in their family relations, chances are people will understand you don't want to be found and will leave you alone.
>>53518246
Like blind people.
we need to build another internet, for the clever ppl only.
Maybe all the old "hacker communities" are dead because you're all so unpleasant to be around, even among yourselves.
Where can I find hacking forums? Please give me links, I am interested in that.
>>53518115
Have you tried spinning?
>>53518711
> newfag
hacker news:
https://news.ycombinator.com/
>>53518711
Google 4chan, the famous hacker behind the fappening, and see where he hangs out.
>>53518111
The Internet is not centralized, normies stay at the normie parts of the web, these couple of large websites that try to be their own centralized platform have no effect on the websites that are not part of it.
>>53518063
>how to contact people without facetracker and googleyes botnet services
pick up a phone, text or call them, you are done.
The only way I'd be interested in some kind of hacker reprisal community if it was in an interesting new format; forums and BBSes died for a reason, and image boards are... well, invariably shit due to the anonymity.
>>53518724
> spinning
indoor cycling ?
>>53518767
hackers these days are luddites who long for the old days, not people who want to adapt and appropriate what they allegedly stand for to the modern day. the problem is the fact that all the self-acclaimed hackers are just indignant whiny bitches who want everything to be like it used to be instead of having their fun in the present day (see: this thread).
it's still possible, but people need to fucking accept change.
>>53518783
>mfw
>hacker culture is dying
>more women in code!
Coincidence?
>>53518733
I wish it would be like that forever, but something tells me it won't for reasons of other than technical nature.
I'm sure that in almost every country you can get on a watch list for visiting certain websites or using some types of services. So in that sense the governments and governments+corporations combos are more dangerous for us than just corporations, even when they are trying to do the old "embrace, extend, and extinguish" shit which doesn't work that well anymore due to open source and free software being superior in areas that matter.
>>53518872
The new women in code are in the same generation as the new men in code. Neither are old enough to ever have been in the k3wl h4ckerz MIT klub in the 80s. But if you want to blame the women, blame the whole generation. Not that it's even their fault anyway.
>>53517986
My problem is that i really find hacking hard to learn
>>53517986
We do what we've always done, and go where the normies and corporations can't find us.
My dream is the replacement of ISPs with a public mesh network that isn't owned by anyone, on which we use Tor or I2P or something similar.
Even my little suburban street is saturated with enough wireless access points that would provide huge amounts of bandwidth to everyone.
>>53518934
> not knowing the definition of the term 'hacker'
gtfo from my board you stupid 12yr old kali linux user
>>53518639
Yeah,we got that.
>>53518842
Yeah, most of them. But it's not just about adapting to shit environment.
We can all agree that most social media environments aren't compatible with the old hacker spirit people here wish to preserve. We can either try to re-appropriate current spaces, or build modern alternative spaces we would actually own ourselves (or that nobody would be able to claim).
>>53517986
It expanded but so did the underground technology and capabilities - it's your duty to learn how to hide and seek other hidden people, it's a great community that can work around about anything and will surely survive.
One one said we want technology to make our lives easier, so let normies profit out of it - they are happy with being surveillance, because they literally don't care, nor have any opinions or value to add to all of this - they're happy that they're more secure that way.
>>53518842
Accept what exactly? The botnet? The Web 2.0 bloat? What are you saying exactly that represents so much progress compared to the old ways that worked fine on comparatively tiny hardware resources, and with much simpler designs...
Not all changes are "progress". Even the hardware today is overcomplicated. Even Terry Davis has trouble making his OS work proporly on it. He has even outlined some of the major problems, and proposed ways to simplify things. Of course, the industry does not care, they will only make things more complicated, bloated, and closed up with blobs and other such things.
http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=145794853120317&w=2
Do you think I enjoy filling out these stupid captchas? I didn't have to do this 20 years ago to post a message. That's not progress.
>>53518728
>hackers
>hacker news
lol, maybe more like fager news
![latest[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vkASe62.jpg "latest[2].jpg")
>This entire thread
>>53518879
Fair enough. That is when encryption becomes illegal, and the corporations, and the government through them, will scan and track everyone physically through e-glasses and other wearables. And face recognition will identify hackers as outcasts, and stores won't let you in because your chip isn't tied to an iProfile, you are likely to be a thief, what are you hiding?
But don't worry, this won't be until 2020.
>>53519006
>build modern alternative spaces we would actually own ourselves
.../g/'s next project that will crash horribly in an inferno of hilarious drama?
I'm interested
>>53518912
Not my point.
Feminists took one look at our quirkiness, playful defiance, whatever you want to call it, then they saw all these pasty white men who literally gave no fucks what society thought of them (isn't that the gen z virtue?) and almost immediately decided they didn't like what they saw and wrote no end of "more women in code" articles.
One or two generations later, we have brogrammers and lolnerd chicks and startup hipsters and everyone except hackers who just wanted to fucking program. OP wanted to know where hacker culture went, I'll tell you.
The feminists didn't like it so they targeted it. They're a hate group (at least since the third wave) and like all hate groups they target other groups they simply don't like, whether it's verbally aggressive teen gamers that probably "triggered" gamergate or the unhygenic hacker.
>>53519046
We are heading towards Cancerpunk 2020.
>>53519053
lol, yeah. I'd like to see it start simple and with strict rules from a manifesto made up by dubs posts.
>>53519029
why because they dont show little faggots like you how to use metasploit?
>>53519154
I agree. I often fantasize about ways to completely destroy feminism.
>>53519006
A website, like Facebook or 4chan is a single space, not the Internet.
>>53519240
as if you were the only one
>>53519154
>triggered womyn caused commercialization of the internet
OK, you get an award for having a benis.
>>53519240
I have a lot of feminist friends from college and I was able to impose my views about encryption and free software on all of them by using keywords that trigger them. I was able to do the same thing with neo-nazis in my neighborhood.
You guys need to stop viewing yourselves as victims and start engaging people around you in discourse you have control over.
>>53519193
No, they are just ruby developers worshipping Bay Area billionaires. It's an eco chamber for politicaly correct, SF, genderfluid, startup cannon fodder.
>>53519316
LOL in that picture everyone is skinnier than in real life.
>>53519333
Nice trips, but the people who could make a positive impact in my life I'd only ever treat in a professional way and I damn well wouldn't argue politics.
"Triggering" them isn't going to help me either.
>>53518732
10/10 underrated post.
>>53519361
But they're not Stallman type hackers, that's the fucking point.
>>53519361
sure, but it has some good articles, and they are also very pro free software and privacy which is always good
>>53517986
Considering how much /g/ loves and worships Jewgle, I don't think anyone here is qualified to properly answer that.
>>53518747
Yeah, b-but pepole aren't satisfied with simple call's and text's. The normie standard is calls,texts,fb and e-mail at least.
>>53517986
what's the name of this meme guy?
Whos in? #OP Trump
>>53517986
>create own protocol
>new 1337 h4ck3r internet
>>53518701
I'll make the logo
>>53519193
Is this even something to be proud of lmao, pajeet Inc. has made tonnes of tutorials using this skiddykit
>>53518767
>disliking anonymity
Spotted the fascist.
>>53517986
It died because the internet became profitable.
That's all there is to it and there's no turning back.
Here I am, blocking javascript ads and tracking services, filling out google captchas and pretending that I'm "Anonymous" on this cancer sea.
What a wonderful future we are heading to.
>>53522288
Normies HATE email.
>>53517986
>The Internet is perhaps the last and only renewable frontier that we will experience.
I hope you're not a software engineer by trade or are studying to become one, because you're not gonna get far at all with that kind of thinking.
There is so much amazing tech cheaply available to children today, I am jealous. Instead of taking advantage of it, you're here on /g/ crying.
I've been feeling the same decline for a couple years. I want to build some new stuff and get a community together but I can rarely find anyone interesting to even bounce ideas around with.
>>53523522
try to find some CCC members, most of them have a decent amount of knowledge in GNU/Linux administration, development and hardware hacking
>>53518349
not sure about facebook but I think reddit has been a strong contribution towards the death of textboards in the west:
Any news that comes up anywhere has been posted on there already, and discussed in there already. If someone tries to bring it up on your BBS it's going to be a repeat performance of the reddit thread.
Most swim upstream and hang around at the source. Even if it's a terrible place with a hostile community of censorship and group-think.. it sucks the life out of other sites.
The japanese don't really have this problem because they use 2ch for that sort of news and similar topics.
>>53523224
It's mostly chinese crap. When IBM Thinkpad was gone, that was the end of nice laptops. Now you have to build your own custom shit, like clockboy.
