Man vs Machine Showdown
Google Deepmind's AlphaGo vs Lee Sedol 9p
Final Game 5 of 5
Current score AlphaGo 3-1 Lee Sedol
2 hours until the match begins
Official DeepMind Stream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzpW10DPHeQ
Superior AGA Stream w/ Cho Hyeyeon 9p (Starts 1 hour after official stream):
https://www.youtube.com/c/usgoweb/live
Game 4 analysis :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaGo_versus_Lee_Sedol#Game_4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5gJ-pVo1gs
https://online-go.com/demo/117189
Lee Sedol defeats AlphaGo in masterful comeback – Game 4 :
https://gogameguru.com/lee-sedol-defeats-alphago-masterful-comeback-game-4/
4th match famous winning move :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCALyQRN3hw&t=11420s
>>53493803
Quite early for a thread. Still 2 hours to go.
>>53493803
Game 4
If Lee Sedol wins round 5, even though the AI will have won 3-2, I would say Sedol is better. The AI used new metagame, Sedol adapted.
>>53493803
Match 1 VOD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFr3K2DORc8&t=28m08s
Match 1 AGA VOD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZugVil2v4w
Match 1 Review: https://online-go.com/demo/114161
Match 2 VOD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-GsfyVCBu0
Match 2 AGA VOD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZPKR7HzM_s
Match 2 Review: https://online-go.com/demo/114754
Match 3 VOD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUAmTYHEyM8
Match 3 AGA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnFXNyuLwRo
Match 3 Review: https://online-go.com/demo/117177
Hikaru no go edition:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJy37GtkcF4
>>53493803
Bump for the Botnet Masters.
>tfw alphago will get BTFO again
>>53493829
just one hour now, and there will be a commentary pre-show.
is there any record of alphago playing on 9x9?
>>53494390
I'm sure alphago would crush humans on a 9x9
Place your bets.
https://strawpoll.me/7085968
4-1.
>>53493971
Game 4 stuff for you:
Match 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCALyQRN3hw&t=30m2s
Match 4 AGA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMqjGNqfU6I
Match 4 15min summary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5gJ-pVo1gs
Match 4 Review: https://online-go.com/demo/117189
>>53493956
we dont know really till alphago is also allowed to learn *during* a series. at the moment the software was frozen at the start of the series so alphago unlike lee has not had the chance to adapt.
>>53493803
Game 4 move time statistics
>mfw ai cucks get BTFO tonight
>mfw ai cucks will be damage controlling
>mfw ai cucks go "muh 3-2"
>>53494604
It will be 4-1
>>53494530
Is there a chart of how the winning percentage dropped?
>>53494604
Also, even if it is 3-2, that still means that AlphaGo won, and that AlphaGo is better.
>>53494646
>mfw ai cucks are already starting to go "muh 3-2" before the match started
>>53494674
>Lee Sedol is better because he won 2 matches and AG won 3.
>>53494625
I don't think the alphago logs goes public
>>53494697
>implying any game vs ai has the same victory conditions as a normal matchup
>implying google's objective wasn't to win every match
>implying ai isn't a meme
Well of course the machine will win in the end. The human brain can't work at its full capacity at all times, you notice that some days you're performing just not as good/bad as usual, it depends on circumstances. The machine on the other hand is working at the maximum capacity of its power at all times, so what do you expect?
>>53493803
Pre-Match starts in 10 minutes !
>>53494756
>>implying any game vs ai has the same victory conditions as a normal matchup
Except this one does you retard.
>>implying google's objective wasn't to win every match
Obviously.
>>implying ai isn't a meme
Go back to the stone ages luddite, you are a cancer.
>>53494775
stream starts in 50 minutes...
but that's fine alphago is fun to talk about anyway
>>53494775
>>53494786
How long until we can teacher a computer to play a game like Go without actually hardcoding the rules of the game into it? It would need some sort of vision to watch humans playing right? Maybe understanding language as well.
>>53494800
Typical anti AI fag.
Completely fucking retarded and doesn't know anything.
>>53494775
can he beat the meme machine?
>ITT: First year CS undergrads vs windows users
>ITT: butthurt and insults
>ITT: tears and hurt feelings
>>53494808
You wouldn't need vision or language to do that.
We'd just need deeper neural networks, genetic algorithms, a fitness, and more computing power.
>>53494856
>Time zone: Europe/Paris (CET, +0100)
https://www.google.com/search?q=time+gmt
>>53494884
ooops.. thanks
>>53494808
This is really interesting. It could mean that humans were a "mistake" in evolution. If you look at videos like this it seems that the AI is living in a world of its own, the bug caused it to act "human" i.e. Making their task of "follow teammate" an amusing show. It was made though, so I could be wrong.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb1e3gV15eE
why is the stream 1 hr late today
Time to start taking GREs to go back to grad school for ML
>>53494798
>>53494966
maybe they're cramming in a bit of extra training for alphago after yesterday's game :^)
This is actually the most suspenseful match. After three straight losses, the HUMAN seemingly finds a strategy to beat AlphaGo. Now it remains to be seen if he can recreate the miracle, or if it was just a fluke.
>>53494798
michael
>>53494936
>academic AI thread
>fag post """"""videogame"""""" AI
>>53495025
I'm sorry for your butthurt, but both videogame and google's AI is a man-made thing.
>>53495073
>he compares academical AI and videogame AI
>implying they're even the same thing
I make games and you're retarded.
>>53495073
hmm its more that your english is drivel and makes no sense.
>>53495000
>>53495000
>>53495000
he's awful
>>53494966
Daylight savings time
>>53495003
wtf they can't even get the rocks inside the squares? lmao
>>53495136
http://senseis.xmp.net/?RulesOfGoIntroductory#toc3
>>53495126
he's just the dumb spectator representative
>>53495174
he never finishes a sentence. he has no "everyman" charisma. i think michael could do the commentary alone and it would be a better experience.
>>53495174
anyone looks dumb standing next to japanese igo spock
FIGHT THE AGAINST THE BOTNET.
WE MUST DEFEAT IT ONCE AND FOR ALL.
>>53495217
>he never finishes a sentence
fucking THIS. He starts sentences hoping that Micheal will interrupt him and Micheal does 80% of the time so the other 20% he's just left there in silence like a retard
I want to see how Michael plays against AlphaGo. I bet she would have no chance tbqhwy(to be quite honest with you) familia.
>>53495337
michael's a man though
>>53495363
AlphaGo is a she
>>53495337
lol michael is one of the weaker 9-dan pros. he has never won a title in his life and the only reason they involved him in this as the commentator is because he is a native english speaker, american and white.
So why the fuck did that chinkhole want to play in black since the AI plays worse on it? He'd have a much higher chance of winning if he played with white and allowed the AI to take black. Yes I know he 'wanted a challenge/more rewarding' but honestly he has lost 3 of the 4 games.
>>53495025
While I agree with you this the quality in these threads is far from academic, even if the topic itself is. These really have managed to attract a lot of stupidity for some reason.
>>53495419
it's a showmatch and he doesn't care about winning as much as making a good game and testing the AI
you cuck
>>53495416
t. butthurt jealous nobody
>>53495416
>lol michael is one of the weaker 9-dan pros.
yet he would beat AlphaGo. very impressive
>>53495419
because maybe he's not a pussy like you
>>53495419
he's already lost overall, so he might as well test himself to beat alphago on the 'harder' color, he has nothing to lose at this point
>>53495428
>this
with this
>>53495451
Except the potential feeling of victory.
>>53495441
Whatever cuck
>>53495451
Plus he also won once. He already saved some face (or rather, he proved the naysayers why he was chosen for the job; AlphaGo is a brilliant solution for a problem that was thought to be years away from us, and Lee is a brilliant mind) and the extra money for having won a game is a nice bonus. At this point it really doesn't matter, in fact there's nothing to lose if he, well, loses, or he can achieve the most valid of moral victories by winning with each color.
The stream now begins (for real this time) !
>>53495419
That's why he's a champ and you're on 4chan. Push your limits.
>>53494808
But this is exactly what we are watching right now...
FYI there is a Taiwanese Youtube stream that is totally silent and without the commentators. It also has a small permanent secondary screen at the bottom corner of Lee Sedol and AlphaGo/David so you can watch their reaction at every move.
So why doesn't Go have an official World Champion like Chess?
>>53495419
>>53495526
Fucking destroyed
>>53495650
ALPHAGO IS A MACHINE
M
A
C
H
I
N
E
>>53495650
DON'T FALL FOR THE LIES! THE BOT EVIL, WE MUST DESTROY IT BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE
>>53495650
alphago lee otp
>comfy music
>>53495670
we can train it to be a good robot though
Does Go ever end in a draw?
>>53495650
I want to punish her with my dick because she lost
>>53495679
>alphago starts developing emotions after her first defeat and falls in love with Lee
GREATEST LOVE STORY EVER TOLD
>>53495680
try listen it in for 2 hours waiting the match to begins..
What do you think happens if he clicks on the wrong coords?
Also, >using a fucking laptop
What if it dies during the match?
>>53495691
Depends on if your using superko rule or not.
https://gogameguru.com/go-commentary-gu-li-vs-lee-sedol-quadruple-ko-game-17th-samsung-cup/
>>53495724
i was asking myself the same thing, also who is he? does they took only pro go player or that can be someone than dont even know the rules ?
PRESHOW STARTED
I'm gonna miss the commentators
>>53495763
techguy is already barging about alphago
>>53495691
How about you read the game rules, you fucking cuck? I bet you are a dumb mobileposter. Second mover gets a 6.5 point advantage, The .5 is a tie breaker.
>>53495743
Superko just says you can't play the same board twice. It becomes an illegal move, I don't think it has anything to do with drawing.
>>53495724
un-fucking-do
It'd be weird if there wasn't a safety measure for that
>>53495754
He's a go player who also was involved on AlphaGo's creation. I forgot his name. No he's not Fan Hui, he only tested.
>>53495743
Interesting. Thanks.
>implying they didn't tweak alphago
>>53495754
He is Aja Huang. A Taiwanese senior research scientist at Google DeepMind and developer of Alphago. Amateur 6-dan player.
>>53495794
>Superko just says you can't play the same board twice. It becomes an illegal move, I don't think it has anything to do with drawing.
If you don't have the rule, you can end up with triple ko (or more) situations which results in a draw.
1/10000? Did i hear it right?
AlphaGo was literally caught off guard by move 78
is there a smug michael pepe yet?
michael is already bored
>"blind spots"
nice damage control :^)
>>53495844
Yeah. Pretty crazy tbqh
JUST..
>>53495866
Heh.
>>53495844
Yeah, which I think was the same odds for move 37 shoulder hit in game 2.
>>53495882
alphago commentary: the picture.
>>53495882
That guy in the middle should be banned from the event. Fucking useless moron.
>>53495882
Redmond's expression never changes.
>>53495882
>everyone at the event is dressed formally
>that guy at the left
JUST take it easy mane
I can't understand a single word
he don't even listen kek
Looks like the AlphaGo team needs a code of conduct.
>>53495724
>What if it dies during the match?
4 hours, 99% battery remaining
why does they all have french accent?
>>53495956
>lightning bolt in the battery icon
What does it mean?
There is an attempt at a Go general in /tg/ for those interested. We have a group on OGS, there's tournament talk and lots of beginners.
>>53495968
Are you fucking serious? It means it's charging.
>>53495984
>Are you fucking serious?
What did he mean by this?
>>53495984
Are you sure?
>>53495968
A thunderstorm hit the laptop so it got upgraded to unlimited battery life
>>53495909
He's representing the startup hoodie elite. It's basically a formal dress now.
wow, that was really an outstanding pre-match commentary, we learned so much, thanks tech-guys !
T-1
AI here. I hope you humans finally learn your place after this match. Just go to your local hospital and admit yourself to the psych ward under suicide watch already. You will all get blown the fuck out once again.
COUNTDOWN
>>53495948
He's too good, he doesn't need to. He'll pay attention when the people who are better than him at the game start playing.
>>53496019
>>>/g/ tried to explain their work
Here is our champion, looking good
>>53495980
thanks for the heads up. it's always fun to cross post during big events
GAH FUCK I FORGOT ABOUT THE RELAY THING
https://online-go.com/review/118817
>that qt korean referee
i don understand this gaem
>>53496066
pic?
>>53496035
>you were born right in time to see the phenomenon of human denial at the rise of a superior intelligence in the world
It's fucking crazy I tell you, with the right amount of amusing.
AlphaGo is now officially 9 dan
https://twitter.com/mbcnews/status/709557327616024576
>>53495980
wheres the link
great opening alphago on suicide watch
Why does he have to think 25 seconds about his first move? Can't he think about it before the match?
>>53496083
I can't read gookspeak.
>>53496090
>that counter attack by alphago
ITS OVER LEE IS FINISHED
>>53496087
oh boy I might mess this up
>>>/tg/46011565
Since "go" is not great for searching the catalog, baduk or weiqi should always be in the OP.
i heard cutlery. are they near a kitchen or something
do you think there is like in chess opening database / sygyzy endgames?
>>53496068
Congratulations, you are starting to fit very well in this thread. Do you also have basically no knowledge in the field of AI? Then you meet all the requirements, welcome to the club. Make sure to do your introductory post based on one, or more, of the following:
>why AI is a stagnated field
>why AlphaGo, or all developed AI thus far, is not real intelligence, without defining parameters for what defines 'real' intelligence
>why all of this has no relevance at all
If this is too difficult, you can also take a shortcut in the form of one of the following sentences:
>are draws possible in go?
>this board game sucks
>human/AI BTFO
>fucking weebs
Feel free to spice it up.
which board has the better discussion?
/sci/ or /g/?
>>53496161
we just make fun of the commentators :^)
so how many times will Lee Sedol leave for bathroom today?
>>53496185
/tg/
>>53496185
/sci/ has no discussion
>>53496214
Thanks
>>53496210
Depends on how many times he needs to use the cheating sheet :))))
for the love of god this is bait don't reply
>>53496185
/sci/
/g/ is just standard memeposting, at least /sci/ is being pseudointellectual about it
>>53496161
underrated post
>>53496185
I just follow all of them
>>53496254
Which one is better between /sci/ and /g/? Asking because /tg/ tends to be good quality for their things
>>53496185
There's nothing to really analyze on the sci/tech front here that wasn't available yesterday and won't be available tomorrow. So I'd say /tg/ for discussion about the game while it's happening.
/sci/ always disappoints me though so I didn't even check, maybe there's some really interesting talk about machine learning topics. But probably just memes and shitposting.
>>53496161
>m-muh vr waifus
get a life you pleb
>>53496269
I study machine learning/AI reinforcement learning applications in astrophysics.
I am commenting in the /sci/ thread.
>>53496267
if you really want to go serious about it, listen to michael or go to a specialized site like online-go.com
Post yfw Lee wins again, proving that he has AlphGo all figured out.
>>53496275
>implying anyone who cares about that won't commit sudoku before it happens
Just wait until AlphaGo bot is VAC detected and Google gets banned from the server :^} CYKA XAXA BTFO on dewrito watch R3KT :^)
>>53496295
>>53496283
That's cool, I'm self-studying machine/statistical learning. But there's nothing really to say right? Like there's nothing to say about AlphaGo's moves except for general questions about AI/ML.
>>53496295
>alphago plays a weird move early
>it thinks it's already won
>>53496340
Not exactly....
You can really tell the specifics of this algorithm in the way it makes mistakes/good plays.
Game 4 is the best example of this in the way it failed to do the proper sampling.
>>53496295
>>53496430
How did that fucking face even caught on.
>>53496438
The meme was forced by none other than facebook. This is why it radiates an aura of cancerousness of unprecedented intensity.
>>53496438
http://emojipedia.org/face-with-tears-of-joy/
>>53496438
>when he doesn't know about real nigga hours
>>53496462
>2015 word of the year by the Oxford English Dictionary
Oh for fucks sake.
>>53496438
normal people are fucked up
Do your best Alpha-chan! I believe in you!
>>53496477
http://europe.newsweek.com/oxford-dictionaries-word-year-not-word-395015
i seriously hate people
>>53496529
this is generic anime girl, there's nothing specifically alphago about this.
>>53496558
Impressive.
GUYS, whats a "jo seki"?
>>53496550
and people wonder why i don't read news
>>53496576
http://senseis.xmp.net/?Joseki
>>53496576
jojo
joseki
>>53496579
Pop culture was a mistake
>>53496576
it refers to Joseph Sake, a notorious drunken samurai from Japan.
Those chairs look very uncomfortable, and that table is way too low for those chairs. This stream is upsetting me.
>currently on shitty 3G
>pay shekels per byte of download
>can't stream video
What do you see, my children?
Also, how can I follow history in the making without spending my bytes?
>>53496650
https://online-go.com/review/118817
>>53496634
I thought it refered to Jose Ki, the famous mexican-chinese martial artist
>>53496576
tesuji
atari
double atari
moyo
bad aji
amashi
thickness
sente
gote
tenuki
>>53496674
hane
ko
Do you have a moment to talk about our Lord & Savior, Captain Dylan Hunt?
>>53496674
Tfw never heard of go until yesterday
>>53496679
chicano puto maricon chupame el pito.
>>53496742
kek
What's up with the guy on the left?
>>53496836
hes a spokesperson for Go
>>53496836
he's a tanuki disguised as a human
>tombstone_squeeze.mp3
A rock and roll song
>>53496836
ohhh....
but then...
hmmm....
ahhh...
this is, this is fairly, ahh...
mmnn....
sooo...
so then, so...
>>53496927
Who's winning? Too early to tell?
>>53496927
meh google wanted a noob for the new players to relate so they hired him, idk what would i do if i was him tough, i would probably do the same
>>53496956
White. By 40 or so points.
lee sedol fighting!
>>53496965
b-but he has breakfast with the programmers!
hehehehehe
>>53497033
hahhaehehehheehe mhhhmmmm
>>53497033
>>53497044
is sedol trying to make it run out of time
>>53497090
She can't run out of time. She will overclock herself to calculate faster.
AG GETTING HAMMERED
IT'S OVER
>>53497090
it seems is some strategy of his
>>53497074
dear god they're both dressed horribly
>>53497090
I wouldn't play much attention to time.
>>53497116
I agree, my mo- I mean, I would do much better than them
>>53497116
t. fedora wearing neckbeard
>>53497074
>>53497140
I really hope they do get along well outside the games
>>53495724
>ubuntu
LOL AG getting handled.
>nicely called, sir
*tips*
>>53497157
Black has more thickness!
>>53497140
their suits both fit horribly, blue man has black boats on his feet, and his tie is shit
Shit, AlphaGo is getting raped.
>>53497185
ur mad cause u couldnt pull that look off without looking like a trannie
i think someone said alpha go's white side is weaker?
when are they going to tsumo?
alphago is done. ai cucks btfo
>>53497241
Are you implying that I am a ladyboy, good sir?
>>53497267
I don't know, are you?
>>53497257
It was said in Game 1. Its early game is also pretty bad. Some pros said it is because it doesn't understand the value of Gote.
>>53497173
over 9000 hours in the shoop
>>53497299
MAKE
>>53497308
ALPHAGO
>>53497308
ALPHAGO
>>53497308
ALPHAGO
>>53497308
ALPHAGO
>>53497308
ALPHAGO
>>53497263
They're dabbing their tears with those millions of dollar bills they won.
combo breaker
>>53497308
ALPHAGO
>>53497356
you mean the million dollars they already had. also lee sedol is already a millionaire. he doesn't give a shit about the prize money
OH SHIT A GIRL
EVERYBODY START SHITPOSTING GOGOGOGOGO
GRIL
is she qt
Cringe.
Why.
No.
