>he doesn't delid his processor
what are you afraid of, pussy? FREEZING TEMPS!?
>Delid a CPU
6/10 troll attempt OP
>>53458231
wow
>>53458467
>thinks that modding a PC is only for trolls
wtf, this is /g/, not fucking kindergarten.
>>53458231
>subzero overclocking
It hurts to read
>>53458231
In most cases the risk of damage isn't worth the overclock numbers.
>>53458843
The product in OP essentially eliminates that risk. And delidding gave huge OC headroom for consumer Ivy and Haswell
>>53458768
Well, since they explicitly refer to world records then I think it might be safe to assume that they mean with the likes of liquid nitrogen or liquid helium.
>>53458894
When I say risk I mean that of the delidding process. You can damage your processor by removing the lid.
>>53458982
Or you can pay Siliconlottery $50 to do it.
>>53459040
wouldn't that $50 be better spent on a better cooler, like water cooling? Unless you already got the best possible
>>53461100
Doesn't take much to get practically the best possible, short of liquid nitrogen or whatever. $100 should do it.
>>53461100
No. The shitty TIM Intel uses is by far the biggest limitation for overclocking. They've started using better TIM, but a delid + a 212 will beat out a lidded CPU + custom water. Certainly for consumer Haswell and Ivy though maybe not for Skylake.
My superior AMD platform uses solder for a TIM.
>>53461180
>biggest limitation
I'll give you that, but we're talking 500MHz improvement at best for a stable and useful OC.
>>53461180
i cant even get my i5 4670k past 4.0 without a BSOD
so are you telling me this could help
or did i just shit out in the silicon lotto
>>53461204
500MHz is sizeable. So if a limit was 4.3 and it hits 4.8, that's over 11%. That's about the difference between Sandy Bridge and Haswell/Broadwell.
That buys a couple years of not having to upgrade.
>>53461145
>>53461180
intradesting. I may look into this delidding fad more now
>>53461216
Are you thermally limited? I don't know how good you are at OCing but if you are, delid will definitely help.
No warranty.
The IMC us really easy to kill now.
>>53461282
absolutely not. i have a decent board (Z87 Exteme4), and a Cooler Master Geminii S524. on top of that, my case is loaded with fans.
i'm no expert at overclocking, but based off of everything i have read/watched, it doesnt take an act of god to OC to something as simple at 4.2
literally, i've seen shit guides to get that "quick OC" without having to really tweak too much, or put in a few hours of effort for stability reasons
so i cant even hold stable at 4.0. i've had this cpu since 2013, and didn't bother trying to OC until dec of last year, and i couldn't get it. thought it was error on my end, so i spent a few nights researching and dicking around, and i always blue screen. if i get to anything past 4.0, if i'm LUCKY, i'll make it into windows. past that, i blue screen. at 4.0, i can hold a good 10 mins in IBT before i blue screen, i dont throttle, so i know it isn't vdroop related. and obviously, the heat stays fine. so i'm assuming i just have a really shit chip.
>>53461258
meh it's mostly bragging rights. I'm running i5 4690S at stock speed and for the most part it's practically as fast as Skylake i7. Synthetic benchmarks are pretty misleading.
>>53461374
Yeah CPU isn't as important these days but $50 to delid is a cheap way to add a couple years of life to your system. Pretty decent return.
>>53461369
Well if you aren't throttling then it isn't thermal. How much vCore do you have for 4GHz? What software are you using to read vCore under load and monitor temps?
Bench vice or razor blade?
>>53461455
last time i dicked with it i wrote everything down before i reset everything
Cache Volt = 1.25v
Input Voltage = 2.1v (PSU, which i thought was weird that i had to push that so high. anything below that wouldn't make it past login)
Mult = 40
Core Voltage = 1.221v (anything above that = BSOD, anything below = BSOD)
as for the software, i was using CPU-Z
>>53461598
also, the PSU isn't the issue either. i have an XFX P1-750X-XXB9
fucker is built like a brick shithouse, both inside and out
>>53461598
Very odd that it would BSOD with more vCore than 1.221v.
Motherboard and temps with IBT? Are you overclocking RAM?
>>53461635
desu i first thought it was my board
the Extreme4 has a rock solid design, but i thought mine was defective. i saw other people scoring clean OCs on theirs, and i was trying to figure out why mine wouldn't. then i realized, that it may be the chip.
temp wise for the board, i dont really remember. but i dont think my chip ever passed 65c.
also no, i haven't touched my ram. just loaded the XMP profiles and that was it.
>>53461682
If I recall, Haswells are rated for 100C so sounds like a lemon chip. But it's very odd that adding more vCore causes BSOD while 1.221v is fine.
If it's performance RAM, the XMP profile might be set at a high frequency. Do you know what you are at?
>>53461724
i know for sure these dimms are G. Skill's Ripjaws X Series. right now im sitting at 1600mhz.
and really? i thought haswells already ran hotter from the get-go because it couldn't handle higher voltages or something along that nature
i thought they capped out around 78c and began to throttle (depending on ambient temps)
>>53461793
1600 seems fine although 1333 is the standard. Memory is probably fine though I'd probably try a run at 1333. Haswells run hot because of the bad TIM. Once you get to high overclocks on ambient, you start needing a lot more voltage which is tons more heat.
I think TJMax is 100C based on helping a friend OC a 4790k but that is a revision of the 4770k so maybe it's different.
Does your motherboard have an auto-OC function? That could be worth a shot too but I think you are right about the lemon silicon.
>>53461893
i thought 1333 was only the standard with celeron/pentium
either way, yes, asrock has their AI tweaker or whatever that has preset OC
one for 4.0, another for 4.2, 4.4, and 4.6 i believe
i tried using the 4.2, but same thing on that also, BSOD
on both 4.4 and 4.6, i wont even post, i have to clear cmos
>>53461216
Why the fuck does your i5 4670k need to go past 4.0ghz?
What could you possibly be doing that warrants that?
Fucking nothing, that's what.
>and if you are you should have chosen a better CPU to begin with than resorting to risky overclocking techniques. Intel offer many more powerful processors for those requirements.
>>53461974
the fact that i own a k series processor and want to make that k series processor jump through more hoops than what it needs too
DUH
>>53461990
you could just light it on fire.
>>53462007
i could have also just bought a fx series processor and saved myself ~$100 if i wanted those results
>>53458231
but my cpu has the heat spreader soldered on.
>>53462030
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=desoldering+station&oq=desoldering+station&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.3301j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8
go for it mang
>>53458768
What about it? Haven't you heard of phase change? Or do you think that anyone who uses phase change wouldn't also be overclocking?
>>53461941
Hmm, now that I think of it, I don't remember a DDR3 standard speed.
4GHz is pretty much the opposite of a golden chip but I guess someone's gotta get them.
>>53461974
If you want clock speeds higher than Intel offers, then OC is the only option dummy.
>>53462030
There have been a couple people who have tried to delid a soldered CPU. But this is a SFW board.
>>53458231
I'd rather not buy non-Xeons at this point than to delid.
>>53461100
you don't delid to get better heat-transfer from the IHS to the cooler, you delid to get better heat-transfer from the CPU to the IHS.
and it is necessary since Ivy Bridge because Intel's jewing by switching to shitty TIM.
>>53461180
This is some of the biggest misinformation I have seen spread on this board. There issue on haswell and ivy cpus is the gap between the heat spreader and the die, not the TIM filling the gap. Google it and look at any image. You'll see that in all of them there is a thick chunk of TIM applied to the lid.
>>53464340
Preach it nigger. I'm fucking sick of 12 year old kids like >>53461180 telling everyone that the TIM is the problem when that's not true. The thing causing issues is the glue keeping the heatspreader in place, but the glue is too thick so the heatspreader doesn't make full contact with the CPU die.
>>53464340
and skylakes
![medium_chopafter_down[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/9mnmvaV.jpg "medium_chopafter_down[1].jpg")
>>53464502
http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=1181397
>>53464502
Ahh, it seems I am not current. I thought they fixed it with skylakes.
Thanks.
>>53464290
I know that but I figured that would be less of a bottleneck than the cooler.
delid of a skylake cpu is easy as fuck, i did with a 1$ worth razor and i even shattered a core corner (still works) and now my e6600 is rocking at 4.7 ghz on air with the fan that spins under 700 rpm.. and temp under 70degrees
>>53464340
Thanks anon. I googled a bit, found this link describing it
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34053183&postcount=570
>Notice that the Intel stock CPU TIM outperforms the NT-H1 replacement TIM once the CPU-to-IHS gap is identical
>And if we remove the paper shim and drop that IHS down onto the CPU (not perfectly zero of course, there is still some NT-H1 CPU TIM there after all) reducing the gap to as close to zero as possible then we get the "c" cases...and the temperatures show the expected fantastic drops we have all come to expect from delidding our Ivy Bridge chips.
looks a little high level for me as a casual overclocker.
>>53464951
cool story pajeet
>>53461258
what kind of people need that much performance?
I'm using nehalem xeons and they're just fine, if a bit slow at some things
>>53464545
unfortunately Devil's Canyons were only an exception.
>>53458231
>trusting msi with your cpu
>>53458231
>bunch of neckbeards "breaking world records" by overclocking a piece of silicon
>>53465030
Seems like a boost for poorfag builds. For people who can already OC to 4GHz it's just e-peen waving.
The CPUs in my server and CPU in my laptop never had lids, but my desktop's CPU still does
I didn't read the thread, but my 4690K is delidded with CLU and I run bare-die using a $5 kit for my waterblock. (Old picture, but you get the idea)
Dropped a good 20C on water. Feels good man.
>>53465848
damn that's a huge drop. Gunna try that on my next build
Isn't that a lga2011 socket? How do you remove the lid on those, aren't they soldered?
>>53458894
Confirmed as samefag op and Msi shill
>>53458231
Honestly, why do they even put a heat spreader on the CPU?
>>53466017
I have read online that only waterfags like myself were getting these insane drops, airfags weren't getting that much of a drop. Probably because water is being bottlenecked harder.
If you want to run bare-die like I do, pick up an EK Supremacy block, it's the only one that supports bare-die operation using a kit:
https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-supremacy-precisemount-add-on-naked-ivy
(observant anons will notice that the block in >>53465848 is a Swiftech, that was when I was running lidded)
>>53466244
k, thanks anon
>not delidding in 2016
Intel pretty much makes this mandatory. Their shitty TIM beneath the IHS is just a way to ensure that at extreme loads the heat cannot be pulled away from the CPU as efficiently and slowly damages the processor. It is planned obsolescence. by delidding you are actually protecting your investment.
>>53466244
You should never use air coolers on a delidded processor desu baka senpai.
I remember the bad old days pre-Tualatin with cracked dies.
>>53466111
Try mounting a 1kg heatsink without breaking the die
>>53466386
See: >>53464340
Jesus fuck why can't nigger slaves read?
>>53466111
A tiny die can't dissipate enough heat fast enough. You have to have a heat spreader so you have a bigger surface area to dissipate heat.
>>53466589
>You have to have a heat spreader so you have a bigger surface area to dissipate heat
So you're saying die | thermal paste | heat spreader | thermal paste | heatsink is better than die | thermal paste | heatsink?
I find that difficult to believe
>>53458231
I was thinking about it actually, even bought a tube of Liquid Ultra, but then I realized I'm too lazy to do it for an extra 200MHz at most that I wouldn't even really notice in any task. The risk isn't worth it, especially now since my Haslel isn't the newest shit anymore, I don't want to spend more money on Haslel platform if it breaks.
>>53466111
Because people would break their dies with cooler, the lid makes it more durable.
>>53466614
What?
There's only Die > TIM > IHS > TIM > Heatsink.
>>53466752
That was my point dipshit.
You're saying
Die > TIM > IHS > TIM > Heatsink
is better than
Die > TIM > Heatsink
>>53466421
True, you probably shouldn't, but people do anyway. I use a fairly high mounting pressure on my block though, I don't give a fuck.
>>53466244
>Please do not try to remove IHS from previous generation Intel® Core i3/i5/i7 CPUs (such as Sandy Bridge, Clarkdale and Arrandale) as the core (die) is soldered to the IHS with aforementioned models.
i7-2600K again confirmed as GOAT of GAOTs.
>>53466794
Yes and? The bigger surface area you can get relative to the physical size of the die, the better. There's no point going bare die unless you have a waterblock because it can dissipate heat faster than a heatsink, thus combating the issue of the small die surface area.
But if you have closed-loop watercooler (which have slow and inefficient pumps) or a regular air heatsink, there's no point going bare die because it will likely crack under the pressure or probably be even worse because since you forego the IHS, you have less surface area.
>>53467287
The IHS doesn't increase the surface area of the die. If that were how physics worked, you could just stick an inverted pyramid on your CPU and all the heat would instantly teleport to the wide end.
Please stop thinking that.
I'm using a sandy bridge, that has the lid soldered, and doesn't need such shit to be usable.
>>53467397
Of course it does, heat spreads out fucko.
>>53467454
And what makes you think that the IHS is more efficient at spreading heat than the contact plate of a heat sink or waterblock?
They're fucking the same. The only way the IHS could ever improve the thermal conductivity in the system is if it could teleport heat instantly, and it can't.
The IHS is there to protect the die from damage, not to improve thermal conductivity.
