Can /g/ please explain to me how a shitty chink phone (zenfone 2) with an old x86 atom processor and a cheap IPS display is getting better battery life than flagship phones with ARM processors?
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/benchmarks
Did you lie to me /g/? I thought ARM was more energy efficient.
arm is a piece of shit, what did you expect?
i-i don't know what to say.
It's pretty average desu. Highest SOT I get is 4 hours.
>>53248419
You're probably doing a lot of cpu intensive tasks, many users are reporting around 6-8 hours of SoT but it still doesn't make any sense, the whole point of arm was energy efficiency.
Can't wait to see phones with goldmont atoms.
>>53248484
>cpu intensive tasks
Like? I never play games on this thing. I only use whatsapp, clover, browse the web and listen to music from time to time. Might have something to do with my ROM (echoe). Then again I got worse battery life on stock and even on debloated ROMs.
>>53248419
Did you get the 4GB RAM version? If so, does it really help in multi-tasking?
>>53248675
Coming from a 2014 Moto G with 1GB it was really great. You never have to really worry about stopping apps but I still do it anyway because Asus' bloated OS eats a fuck ton of it.
>still using 2010 Nexus S
>original battery and everything
>40+ hours of battery life
Feels good.
bump. interesting thread
I think it's because x86 processors can do more work than arm processors can. This is why nobody wants to use arm in servers, the cpu architecture just plain sucks.
CPUs waste less battery than LTE and the screen anyway. I remember when I set my governor setting to Performance to do some benchmarking and then forgot to set it back, I lost 0.5-1 hours SOT tops, noticed it about a week later.
>>53250260
this. But I'm still impressed with the battery life of the zenfone 2. Glad to know x86 will start being used on phones more and more.
I wasn't expecting this. Interesting.
I think people underestimate how powerful x86 processors are. They're so powerful that they can be "energy efficient" at the same time. ARM was never designed with high performance computing in mind, they are just cheap embedded processors that you use because x86 would cost too much and be overkill for your intended purpose.
>>53248725
>Asus' bloated OS eats a fuck ton of it.
ROM that shit bruh
>>53250260
It can help with some heavy applications. I use btsync which encrypts traffic so it can use quite a bit of CPU when it's transferring large amounts of data
>>53248073
>asus unlocks bootloader of zenphone 2
>doesnt unlock zepad s 8.0, literally the exact same internals but a tablet
literally what the fuck Asus, you left that tablet out to dry the fucking second you released it. It doesnt even get updates anymore after like 6 fucking months. At least let us have fun with it
>yfw the zenfone 2 has the fastest charging time ever
This is insane especially for a chink manufacturer like asus.
>>53256586
The catch is it will reduce the overall life of the battery. Pumping 9 volts at 2 amps can cause your battery to heat up significantly. I would only use the fast charging feature in emergencies.
>>53248073
It's suppose to be.
>>53248073
Because intel is based as fuck and they've been in the game for over 40 years
>>53256730
>Heating up batteries
Mfw viewing heatmaps for batteries charged on a pad.
My GoPRO charges pretty damn fast but I have to be careful nothing is on top of it. Hot as fuck.
Any Zenphone 2 owners willing to give opinion and answer questions?
>Are there ROMs out there for this phone?
>Asus unlocked the bootloader, but is there root available?
>Is there custom recovery?
>I was told the back buttons are rather mushy. Is this true?
>Any app incompatibility because of the intel chip?
I have the Asus ZenPad 8 tablet and it runs awesome. Looking at this phone at Microcenter. They have pic related for $400 or the regular 4gb version in black for $280. Pic related is 128gb internal.
you know why the hype surrounding the zenfone 2 died? because anyone who owned it for any worthwhile amount of time will tell you it's shit.
>>53256854
Don't get the 128GB version, it's a scam. Get the 64GB version instead + 128GB microsd for $50 more instead.
>>53256902
maybe but we still have to face the fact that an x86 processor might be more efficient than an ARM processor. Maybe it's time we said goodbye to ARM at least on phones and tablets.
>>53256905
how does the Zenfone 2 stand up to say, the LG G4? I can get a G4 brand new from the T-mobile store for $350.
>>53256902
But OP's post just asked why it got better battery life than flagship phones with arm cpus. Obviously arm isn't as energy efficient as we thought.
>>53256929
>>53256946
the benchmark op linked showed the zenfone getting 7.5 hrs, there are a lot of other phones with substantially higher numbers than it. what are you guys on about? also charging time is a very tricky thing. you can charge anything fast if you're willing to grenade the battery.
>>53256933
In terms of performance it destroys the LG G4. Those x86 silvermont atom cores pretty much match power hungry krait 400 cores. LG G4 only has two A57 cores at 1.8GHz for performance so it doesn't really have much performance for multi-tasking.
If you multi-task the zenfone 2 would be the best choice
>>53257010
Hmmm I'm really tempted.
Maybe I'll go finger fuck it at Microcenter for a while. I was told it has a shit ton of bloat though too. Is there root/recovery/ROMs? Because then I wouldn't care.
Right now I have an LG G stylo that is doing decent. Just looking for more. Especially the camera.
>>53257042
look, the phone is shit, asus is shit, nobody talks about the phone anymore for good reason.
>>53255999
I'm running a custom ROM, but it's mostly optimizations to the battery and CPU performance. There are 2 debloated ROMs, one of which is always like 3 versions out of date and one that's stopped support all together. Then you have a shit ton CM13 based ROMs which all run like shit and have an SOT of 2 hours.
>>53256986
The test showed how long phones can last web browsing at a controlled brightness, 200 nits in this case (which is like 60% on the S5 i think). The Note 3 got 6 hours and 8 minutes.
This is very alarming because the note 3 has a better screen and bigger battery capacity (3,200 mAh). Zenfone 2 got 7 hours and 34 minutes with a smaller battery capacity (3,000 mAh) and a shitty screen.
Point is ARM is proving to not be very energy efficient and not suitable for phones anymore.
>>53257042
Ignore the butthurt armshills. Get the phone, carefully remove it from the package (don't rip anything), try it for a day or two, and return it if you don't like it.
Yes it has bloat (like every other phone) but it can be removed.
>>53257216
You won't be able to root it or install a custom rom during this time however.
I plan to get one soon, I'm really digging the longer battery life an atom processor gives a phone.
>>53257253
in practice, 'controlled web browsing at 200 nits' is not representative of actual battery life. phone battery life is all over the place in reality. your best bet for getting a handle on how good a phone's battery life is is getting a bunch of data points from actual owners who use the phone for a while.
the zenfone is a memephone and isn't talked about anymore because it's shit. by the way, good luck seeing stable marshmallow let alone N on it.
>>53257307
>by the way, good luck seeing stable marshmallow let alone N on it.
By this logic no one would buy any Android phone except for a Nexus.
>>53257324
if you don't care about security updates or latest software features get whatever you want. that aspect of a phone is non-negotiable to me.
>>53256854
>Are there ROMs out there for this phone?
Yes, CM13 nightlies exist. much better than the stock ROM which is bloated to all hell
>Asus unlocked the bootloader, but is there root available?
Unlocking voids your warranty, root is easy to accomplish using Taiwanese botnets.
>Is there custom recovery?
Yes, but when I owned it I just booted TWRP using chinese botnets (didn't unlock bootloader)
>I was told the back buttons are rather mushy. Is this true?
Not really. the top button is mushy because it pushes in another button inside the frame.
>Any app incompatibility because of the intel chip?
MXPlayer cannot use hardware decoding when playing your anime. Some apps don't work.
I wouldn't recommend it just because of the bloat, and the voiding of your warranty (which you may need since they die apparently) by unlocking the bootloader. Also it was too big for me (manlet), and the capacitative buttons were annoying because I was always pushing them by accident.
I sold mine and I'm glad I did.
>>53257307
>in practice, 'controlled web browsing at 200 nits' is not representative of actual battery life.
Yes it is, it shows you how long a phone can last compared to other phones at the same brightness and the same web script. It's a good metric that will tell you how your phone compares to others.
>your best bet for getting a handle on how good a phone's battery life is is getting a bunch of data points from actual owners who use the phone for a while.
This would introduce bias you moron
The point still stands, ARM is proving to be less energy efficient as x86. I think it's time phone/tablet manufacturers started leaving ARM behind.
>>53257181
I agree, once Android moves to x86 for good, it will take over the market. ARM is to limited for phones today.
>>53257407
I thought Windows was going to dominate once x86 takes over the phone market.
>>53248419
I get around the same on my g3.
Between 4 and 4.5 hours.
>>53257401
objective metrics are good for apples to apples comparisons, i'm not saying they aren't. these metrics don't translate well into real world practice though. you can probably make a strong analysis on the performance of a phone's battery off a good number of data points of long time owners - a trend will emerge.
>>53257372
There is no hardware decoding for 10bits (as far as I know), so that's not really a con.
With intel selling the best cherry trail atom for like $37 a piece to OEMs it's only a matter of time before we start seeing more phones with x86 processors. Sad to see that arm will have to go, it was an interesting cpu architecture while it lasted.
It's sad to see that only asus is making good x86 phones atm. You would think that by now companies like samsung and lg would have already made an x86 phone by now, christ.
>>53257427
Android took the opposite path. Nothing can stop its momentum, especially when every designated shitter and third worlder becomes exposed to computing through smartphones.
>>53257427
At this state, no. Windows 10 is fucking garbage. Even normies don't like it
Fuck ARM, my Dell Venue 3840 tablet has Intel Atom processor and I'm quite impressed with the battery life. It would be great if there's a way to install Win10 on it because Lagdroid is so fucking piece of shit!!!
new flagships have bloatware..
>>53260160
Don't they all?
Are the cheaper Zenfones any good or should I be going for something else? I'm on a budget, can't really afford to spend more than 200€.
>>53262357
I wouldn't go with 2GB of RAM if you're gonna purchase a zenfone, it's like picking second best.
If you're on a budget then I suggest the zte warp elite, only $100, has 2GB of RAM, 13MP camera, and a 3 amp hour battery. Basically a better version of the moto g for less.
>>53262458
>noname brands
No thanks. I'm not planning to do anything intensive and I'm not one to open up a lot of apps at once, wouldn't 2GB suffice in my case?
>>53262491
Well yeah but if you're gonna go the zenphone route then get the 4GB version so you won't have to upgrade the next year.
ayy lmao
arm on suicide watch
>>53248570
Do you have Facebook and/or Facebook Messenger? Those wreck battery life.
>>53265328
Nope, neither.
>>53265328
not him but he has bluetooth and nfc enabled, those things can waste battery alone even while idle. A stock zenfone 2 in 200 nit brightness will last almost 8 hours browsing the web on wifi.
>>53265444
I own a zenwatch 2 so having bluetooth enabled is kinda necessary. NFC shouldn't drain too much battery life though. But it's been like this since I bought it, having BT and NFC enabled didn't change much from when I had tgem off.
>>53248073
>shitty chink phone
I dun fink you know hoo asus are m8
>>53265557
It's not about the phone it's about the processor. x86 has proven to be more energy efficient in a chink phone than flagship phones with arm processors. We HAVE to ditch arm for phones ASAP.
>>53265689
this
>>53249824
>I think it's because x86 processors can do more work than arm processors can.
I'm a fucking idiot: The post.
>>53266556
He's sorta right though. Ghz per Ghz x86 can do more "work" than arm can. Depending on core architecture of course but this is generally why servers don't use arm for cpu intensive applications.
>>53262491
bump, should I make my own thread?
>>53267534
No, go here: >>53266382
>>53248419
V10 here. Same sot here too.
>>53266382
Ah, thanks. Haven't visited /g/ in like 6 months, and it looks like it's still a shithole which is quite sad. I guess 4chins will never get proper moderation.
>>53248419
It was nice to see how battery improed since the release .
Let's hope Android M will be even better.
>>53257350
>security updates
Last Zenfone 2 update was 7 days ago. There are new updates every 14 days
fuck arm
>>53269332
agreed
>>53248073
>Did you lie to me /g/? I thought ARM was more energy efficient.
No, It is modern x86 is much more effective then ARM.
Google it, tons of benchmark Performance/Watt are proving it.
>>53271388
I wonder how powerful ARM processors actually are compared to x86.
Both are already risc and x86 is far better established so it has that advantage. Could ARM catch up?
>>53272639
x86 (IA-32) isn't RISC
>>53272699
But x86-64 is.
It's like you've stopped following CPU development.
>>53256809
Might as well charge the phone on an induction stove
>>53272639
In some places a little better when old x86:
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=raspberry-pi-burst&num=2
But mostly much slowed, even compared with old hardware x30 up to x60-100:
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=raspberry-pi-burst&num=5
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=raspberry-pi-burst&num=6
>>53272699
>>53273065
CISC+RISC(Core)
>>53272639
My ZF2 wipes the floor with every single phone on common CPU usage except for the Huawei Mate 8. Antutu might not be accurate for real life usage, but it's still saying something.
>>53274379
That's because ARM is designed for benchmarks.
>>53274444
Read the post. I'm saying that in every single comparison (except for the mate 8) my phone comes in first with common CPU usage.
>>53274531
And I'm agreeing with you?
Alright nevermind I read yoyr post wrong.
