http://www.dw.com/en/german-government-to-use-trojan-spyware-to-monitor-citizens/a-19066629#nomobile
>will using Linux save me?
Probably.
But considering this is a "government" trojan, announced publicly I doubt it'll even work properly under Windows.
So everyone complaining on the internet about getting mugged and raped by refugees is getting partyvanned?
>>53136814
So Germany is just now catching up with the rest of the developed world? The NSA has been pushing malware for years.
>Germany Government does it again
Germany is no more a police state than the U.S. or the U.K.
>>53136844
If there is one thing the government is capable of, it's fucking shit up. I doubt that this won't work. The last government-Trojan worked so good that they had to nerf it. Now they did a new one and bought code from another surveillance-company.
>>53136886
Yes. As is everyone who does more in his life than being a consumerist.
>>53136907
I know that. How to be moderately safe is the question.
>>53136886
>So everyone complaining on the internet about getting mugged and raped by refugees is getting partyvanned?
Right. I'm sure the German government inexplicably wishes to shield all immigrants from even the slightest scrutiny by incarcerating German citizens at the drop of a hat. That makes a lot of sense if you're a paranoid schizophrenic.
>>53136907
They were already doing this anyway it's just "approved" now.
Watch this quickly get deconstructed by the CCC again.
The police just can't help themselves not installing this on random people's machines and sooner or later it's going to be a security-conscious person again,
>>53136814
>USA, UK, France and Germany are all cucked
>tfw you don't live there
Feels good mang
>>53136814
>"Trojan" used instead of "Spyware"
>Absolutely no definition of "Trojan" in the article, outside of "it is spyware."
>Trojan software has to explicitly be run by the user, because it masquerades itself as wanted software, hence the name "Trojan."
So basically, they're going to get old people and children's personal info. Cool for Germany?
>>53136814
That's fine, if it's used to combat the muslim threat.
If you're on an AMD or Intel PC, there are backdoors built into the EFI system. It doesn't matter what OS you are using. I don't know how encrypted internet traffic can be intercepted and decrypted, but I'm sure that most of the world governments have a way.
IHR HURENSÖHNE, HÖRT MICH DOCH AB UND VERFOLGT MICH. ICH WERDE FLÜCHTLINGE WEITERHIN HASSEN.
>>53137308
>they use the wrong terminology so it automatically becomes a different thing
No, they're just dumb. At some point after 0zapftis was found, the term "Staatstrojaner" (state trojan) was used by the press and, subsequently, officials since it was rather catchy and every pleb knew roughly what it was about since they heard of trojans before. It doesn't matter whether it would be actually considered a trojan or not.
>>53137347
nvidia tegra master race
>>53137347
What backdoors are in them and how are they used? E.g. can the NSA use my Intel CPU to install a keylogger or worse through it?
>>53137482
They don't need a keylogger. There's a VNC server running on almost every Intel CPU that captures everything you're doing.
>>53137303
Literally the only countries that matter
>>53136952
I hope to god you're trolling. If not do some research you actual nigger and you'll see that is exactly what's happening
>>53137347
thanks, i feel more paranoid now
>>53136952
But this is actually what is happening
>>53137628
Some people just can't accept that their own government could be evil. That's what that poster is doing.
>>53136814
>In order to use the malware, government officials will have to get a court order, allowing authorities to hack into a citizen's system.
>The approval will help officials get access to the suspect's personal computer, laptop and smartphone. Once the spyware installs itself on the suspect's device, it can skim data on the computer's hard drive and monitor ongoing chats and conversations.
Holy fuck, do something about this you Krauts....
>>53136933
>The last government-Trojan worked so good that they had to nerf it. Now they did a new one and bought code from another surveillance-company.
Maybe they are just trying to figure out effective ways to "spend" money on things that are not productive and do not provide any value to society, so that they don't have to spend that money on infrastructure and better social programs.
>>53136814
The only thing that will save you is to move out of this shithole before the socialists fully take over and we will end up in Islamic civil war.
I still have 2 years to complete my degree, but I have already sold most of my material possessions and I am planning to move out and get a comfy programming job in some irrelevant Anglo country like Ireland or New Zealand as soon as I have finished my thesis.
I'm sick of this overcrowded, submissive, masochist, loser country.
>>53137521
And there really is no way to stop that?
>>53137658
We Germans are taught from early on that our government shitsshits on our opinion. Look up what they did with the Anti-TTIP movement. They just ignored a 300.000+ signed complaint.
>>53137740
>Socialists in charge of Germany
Yeah, no. Socialism declined over decades. We are ruled by people who don't know what they're doing, them Bering ruled by capitalists and restricted by Verfassungsschutz.
>>53137905
>Yeah, no. Socialism declined over decades. We are ruled by people who don't know what they're doing, them Bering ruled by capitalists and restricted by Verfassungsschutz.
It might have declined in East Germany but it's rising again, as is fascism. Times like these eliminate reasonable liberal and libertarian movements in favor of extremes like these.
Education has been more and more centralized and the federal government plans more uniformity to make every school equally bad instead of leaving their independence.
Taxes have been increased steadily over time, our welfare system is a joke and we have a health care and social security system that is - while lauded by many - compulsory by law and government-dictated after all.
Analog and digital communication is - while privatized on paper - still largely in the hand of government. We have mandatory state-television as well, our trade unions have ridiculous amounts of power and are even government-backed.
If it wasn't for the fact that private property and actual work is not yet outlawed, this would basically be Marx's wet dream.
I really feel bad for Germans
>not allowed to feel good about being German
>invaded by refugees that are causing shit
>the police don't come
>government cucks their citizens
>foreigners still call them Nazis
Is there any hope for Germany?
>>53137905
What germany needs is a charismatic war veteran who emotionally rallies the angry underbelly of germany, to right the injustices and to prevent germany from being destroyed by greed
>>53138062
>Germany is close to Marxist utopia
>beeing this wrong
Sorry son, please go back to /pol/.
Taxes are raised while services are limited.
Education is more centralized because the current schools are shit and the whole school system is in need for reformation. Schools independence is still given, curricula are going to change.
Please don't talk about state-television and such. What happened in Germany with their crude taxes (which officially aren't taxes) is just a joke I won't talk about because it's making me mad a hell.
>>53138381
>charismatic war veteran
How do you think this will work lol
>Hey guys, I lost two wars, I know what I'm doing
>>53136886
Pretty much. They must have come to the conclusion that simply censoring stuff in the media isn't going to cut it anymore, especially since Markel want 10 million more refugees this year. So now they're bringing this Stazi-level botnet online...
>>53137347
How would that work? They would need a complete OS hidden away in the firmware. Also how would it deal with all the different kinds of OS people here install? I run OpenBSD only (no dual booting or whatever).
>>53137586
>>53137357
Edgy
>>53137658
Germans need to start manufacturing old systems like >>53138256
That would kill two birds with one stone. No convenient attack vectors, and some simple hardware to do OS dev and fun hacking on.
>>53136886
yes. This is why you must vote for the neonazi party.
When they take on the government, it will no longer be a corrupt source of evil, but a true center of good, purity and all that, even when the institutions will remain the same, the whole production system and the owners of corporations and land will still be the same people and will do everything the same way as usual.
>>53138640
The sad thing is that some people really believe this.
The weird thing is people believe that people believe it
>>53138365
>not allowed to feel good about being German
tbqh there's not much to feel good about
>>53137521
kek
>>53137719
>infrastructure
Honestly this is the reason why countries developing countries grow so quickly. Laptops, phones are relatively cheap and can be easily shipped to other countries. You can't ship roads or access to water via parcel (but we can ship war :^)) When those countries end up having enough cash they can build skip whole generations and build the best at the time available infrastructure from the start. Our government literally wants us to fall behind.
>>53137586
>Germany
>the """United""" """"""Kingdom""""""
>mattering
>>53136814
looking forward to the rant @ 33c3
>>53138558
It doesn't work. There is no backdoor.
>>53139183
C-can I trust you anon? You don't work for the government, do you?
>>53138618
>it's edge to not want to live in an islamic state
>>53139129
Why is that Frenchman holding English longbread and wearing a Celtic striped shirt?
>>53139443
Ignorance is bliss. Worrying about things you cannot affect will send you crazy.
How could one detect this Trojan? Will it be reported on if people find out how it works?
>>53139520
Those are 10-year old baguettes, rock hard and good for self-defense.
>>53136814
Really tired of this planet, we should make a /g/ space program. [spoiler]I'll make the logo.[/spoiler]
>>53136952
Spotted the German cuck
Guten morgen!
Your people are sinking and your government has it out for you and you could care less.
>mfw I stopped posting on /int/ because I got really tired of my shitty country's politics there and now /g/ starts, too
nowhere is safe
>>53137308
don't you know granny's explosive cakes?
The are the unknown dangerous hackers and terrorists baking explosive weed cakes in their 1950s kitchen!
The can hack into every computer system and steal bus tickets by using their IBM 405 RAMAC
>>53140000
fuck, was supposed to write "IBM 305 RAMAC"
but anyway
look at these quads!
>>53139930
Ignore/hide thread my man
>>53139930
indeed, but were you safe in the first place? Think about that!
YOU ARE NEVER SAFE FROM ANYTHING.
YOU ARE YOUR WORST NIGHTMARE TO YOURSELF
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>>53138365
It's our own fault. The past can't be made unseen!
Politics change and we had it a lot worse!
But looking at the INTERNET, we, Germany, are still a 3rd world country!
Hell even real 3rd World countries have better Internet than we!
They better not do that the refugees, though.
That would be islamophobic!
>>53140376
do what?
Won't take long until people figure out how it works and how to get rid of it. If you even manage to get one in the first place.
>>53136814
Dont worry OP, just shut down bka.exe
It's the German police/security, they're literally at the bottom of the international pile, no skill, horrible leadership, actively hiring idiots etc.
No one seriously expects them to do an NSA job, this spyware is going to get highjacked within a month.
>>53138062
>reasonable liberal and libertarian movements
Ahaha you joker :D
>>53136814
How do they expect this to work? Are they retarded?
>surely noone will notice this virus running on his system
Fucking idiots.
>>53137329
What's funny is that it's probably the exact contrary.
>>53136933
>If there is one thing the government is capable of, it's fucking shit up. I doubt that this won't work. The last government-Trojan worked so good that they had to nerf it. Now they did a new one and bought code from another surveillance-company.
And then made a public announcement about it.
Have they gone past full retard?
>>53138640
>>53136952
spotted german antifa cucks
>>53137586
>>53137357
GEH WEG DU RASSIST
>>53137347
What if you don't have an EFI based system?
>>53140837
hahahaha please tell me it's fake
>>53137615
>and you'll see that is exactly what's happening
Like what? The supposed cover up about what happened on the subway in Cologne when it was national news on January 2nd, before the police even released information on it? The ridiculous claims of refugees going into the women's locker room at pools and holding girls down and shitting on them? Other unsubstantiated claims of completely over the top acts by refugees?
>>53141293
what do you use then? In old hardware there are also backdoors + flaws, so what's the point? Build your own hardware, yea right!
You can't remove hardware insecurity, therefore It's no use to brag about it. With software It's different, because you can just use a different piece of software.
As hardware insecurity can't be removed you just have to take it, like the risk of being hit by a plane or a meteor or sth. else.
If we'd live in a perfect world, life wouldn't be interesting anymore.
>>53136814
>German government
>developing useful software
Pick one.
This "Trojan" is just a skiddie-tier RAT that requires either a retarded user opening random files, or physical access to the device to deploy.
The government has had this tech for years and I have yet to hear of a case in which it was actually used sucessfully.
Our retarded laws and overbearing buerocracy have driven off most security experts, so Germany is pretty much a wasteland when it comes to the kind of company that could produce such a program.
Hell, even most government websites are hilariously badly maintained and completely insecure.
>>53142062
The Bundestag using MS Internet explorer.
What a shame.
I want a GNU/State where everything runs on and like GNU/Linux.
Would be an experiment though!
>>53142251
The GNU/State would run on GNU/Hurd, you infidel.
>>53139543
It's easy enough to get the encrypted traffic at the very least.
People have gotten doom running in EFI, a whole OS isn't hard.
Not to mention the java physical machine embedded in intel processors.
https://github.com/warfish/DOOM
>>53137905
germanfag here, I can totally relate. Who are you gonna vote for btw.?
>>53140213
>implying the past is MY fault
Did I gas the jews? No. Did my father gas the jews? No. Then WHY THE FUCK do we have to 1: pay the jews, 2: feel ashamed of being germans. Your logic is fucking flawed.
>implying the fact that we've had it worse makes our current state better in any way
Yeah, we had it a lot worse. But that still doesn't change the fact that the situation right now is really bad. And I don't see how this invalidates any argument.
The part with the internet is true, though. But I don't understand your previous arguments, brother.
>>53137303
Just cause ya dont live here doesnt mean our governments aren't watching you too
>>53143307
Left. Wagenknecht is good. Also die Partei is still an option.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcQr2hnf1aU
>>53137357
Scheiß Rfgs REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>53145325
Exactly. NSA collects the data of hundreds of millions of people throughout the world.
Are there any nice places in Germany to visit still? I was hoping to travel to a few countries in Europe this summer. I want to go to some beer gardens in Germany the most.
>>53141380
Probably swapped
>>53142062
>developing useful software
>Pick one.
>This "Trojan" is just a skiddie-tier RAT that requires either a retarded user opening random files, or physical access to the device to deploy.
Not really. They buy shit like this as it was revealed by Wikileaks.
https://wikileaks.org/spyfiles/files/0/289_GAMMA-201110-FinSpy.pdf
And yes >>53136814 it does run on Linux.
