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daily reminder that this fucking old ass connector is why our phones are so thick
we keep making small and faster USB so why do headphone jacks stay so bad?
>>53105003
>wanting a paper thin phone
I'd rather they ditch micro usb and have the power through a 3.5mm. So much more robust. Wifi and wireless communication is ubiquitous now, so having a usb data connection is pointless.
What are you talking about? 2.5mm aux has been around since at early 2000s
>>53105088
>Power through 3.5mm jack
>Plug in phone
>Magic smoke escapes.
wrong
what phone is < 3.5mm thick? none, so obviously a 3.5mm jack is not holding back phone thinness
>>53105088
more robust
this is like really not true at all. usb ports can also actually be easily replaced
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sfc_Peev660
soon
Why would you want a phone any thinner? They've already gotten so thin that they've become hard to actually fucking hold.
>>53105088
fucking this, please.
>>53105003
I can't understand why 2.5mm isn't a thing already, it's thin, can be converted and has been around since those old Nokias
>>53105003
>image.jpg
Classic iFag.
>>53105147
>really
>actually
>easily
DAILY REMINDER THAT 3.5mm JACKS ARE FLIMSY DOGSHIT AND 1/4" IS THE CORRECT OPTION
>>53105147
every phone I've had the micro usb has fallen apart or came very near, only being extra careful is why they didn't break
it's a pain in the ass to solder the tiny contacts on some of them
>>53105003
Fucking this, we need phones with USB type-B headphone jacks.
>>53105225
Explain
>>53105244
>type-B
>>53105225
There are few things more satisfying than the feeling of plugging one of those in.
>>53105244
What happens if you need to charge?
phones are too thin desu
I can hardly hold my lg g4 with my giant hands
>>53105165
it's not as standard as 3.5mm
>>53105244
>digital connections for audio connections
for what purpose
>>53105275
...have a second USB port for charging. Are you really to stupid to think of that yourself?
>>53105251
I have seen more broken 3.5 mmm sockets and connectors than anything else barring the retaining clip on rj4f. There's not enough material to deal with the strain of a moving part that will be yanked on or knocked as part of its daily life; with a 1/4" connector, the cable is going to fail before the socket. This is good, because a new cable is a few bucks while getting the equipment it plugs into repaired can be a few hundred. Minijack is anathema.
>>53105301
>muh analog
analog provides no benefits over digital in the year 2016
Now listen here apple.
You fucks can barely fit passable batteries in phones as they are now. Nobody gives a shit about "thinner" at this point, that just means more awkward to hold and less battert. Give us a biffwr fuckimg battery instead.
>>53105327
other than you need a DAC in the headphones, which is retarded
and people would have to buy expensive cables with DAC's in them to be able to use 'legacy hardware' that has been just fine for years
>>53105327
was going to respond but I'm thinking this is bait
>>53105327
You're going to need to do a digital to analog conversion somwhere along the line; better to do it inside the device than require the peripheral to handle it.
>>53105088
But you can digital audio out the micro usb hole.
>>53105133
They wont be <3.5mm if there is a jack there and no one YET has done a phone without
Apple claims their proprietary solution is "better" than existing and/or open standards. This is standard operation procedure for them. Unless they produce a miracle in material science, thinner phones are just going to result in them being more easily bent when people sit down with them in their pants pockets.
muh dual on the go micro usb/usb3 sticks.
What happened to the glorious 2.5mm?
>>53105003
could it be possible to gave micro usb type connector for audio but also have a adaptor to plug in these "old type" connectors to them?
Why the fuck would you want thinner phones. Today's phones already have bending problems. I would rather have a solid phone with a decent battery that would be around 5-8 mm. Although everyone would need to buy new headphones or adapters for shittier build quality but thinner phones which is retarded..
phones will never peak until they release a phone that can bend on your wrist AND while bend on your wrist extend in a way that you can hold it like a normal phone.
>>53105325
I have never seen or heard about a broken 3.5mm
>>53105523
>site:discussions.apple.com headphone jack broken
>About 2,340 results (0.37 seconds)
I do repairs as part of my job, so I see a lot more failed stuff than most people. This is a very common one.
>>53105465
No one fucking used it, if someone had a device with 2.5, instead of fucking around with finding an adapter or 2.5mm pair of headphones, they just didn't fucking bother.
The problem you have with 3.5 isn't that there aren't viable alternatives, on a technical level, its the fact that every home in the fucking world has multiple pairs of headphones that use 3.5mm, its too ubiquitous to get rid of.
>>53105448
/thread
>>53105523
It happens with thinner shit it will probably happen to you too
>>53105566
I beat most of then are from apple, their earphones have a shitty build quality
>>53105618
>site:forum.xda-developers.com headphone jack broken
>About 2,080 results (0.46 seconds)
I just used apple because they're an easy source for consumer problems with electronics and people actually use their forums.
>>53105684
I can't understand, I've tried to break an old Samsung earphone with a hammer and that shit was sturdy as hell, how can someone break it?
>>53105003
maybe because of the equation W=IR? And maybe because there are two ways to get lower resistance - better conductor or fatter cable.
And those wanting music over usb... wtf, go home kids. not gonna happen. Nobody is going to manufacture headphones with dac-s. you know you need power to run the dacs and also for amplification? this is overkill and costs more.
/thread
>>53105440
http://youtu.be/c7G6beU5fKU
>>53105484
I can see them making an iPhone based on the iPad air design and thickness
>why phones are so thick
no phones dont even need to be thinner they are thin enough you fucking tard unless you are a faggot who runs about in skinny jeans your phone should have no issue fitting in your pocket
>>53105797
It's not the part that goes in your ear, it's the part that plugs into the phone. There's only so strong a hollow tube with a plastic insert can be, and lateral force (such as from dropping the phone/laptop, or standing up while wearing headphones, or snagging the cable on something) can and will shear off the jack or break the socket.
>>53105327
Who the hell allowed you to use /g/ ? Go back into your corner and think about what you've said!
>>53106052
That's the exactly part I'm talking about, I couldn't break it easily, maybe you are dealing with bad quality earphones.
good to see apple evangelists in full force
a new audio connector, that's more modern and more robust! what a great idea
You know what's an even greater idea? An audio connector that works with every headphone available
>>53106221
Me neither... In all my life I have NEVER seen a 3,5mm jack break, ever
>>53106294
I bet you're one of the people that complains about USB 3.0 and newer standards
>>53105327
its ok guys, just bait here :!
>>53105003
>So thick
Phones today aren't think, getting any thinner is a marketing bullshit, it's not useful and it results in companies cutting the battery size which hurts the actual practical use of the phone.
>>53106340
Not the same anon but 3.0 is shit, they haven't fixed that flipping annoyance
>>53106340
>>53106294
i wpuldn't complain about usb 3.(0/1 ...)
but destroying something as widespread as the 3.5 mm jack is like changing the frequency of the power grid from 60 Hz to 50 Hz or going from 120 V to 230 V. New tech doesn't always mean better!
>>53106432
couldn't stores just sell 3.5mm to 0.5mm dongles so you could still use your old hardware though?
What is micro usb
>>53106556
> 0.5 mm
did you mean 2.5 mm?
>>53106432
Changing the power grid from 60 to 50 wouldnt fuck up too much. It might mess a little with things that use the 60hz for timing, but otherwise it is OK.
>>53106733
no 2.5mm already exists and isnt even that much thinner than 3.5, if we're going to have a new jack it should be < 1.0mm
>>53106831
but what about the voltage?
Motors, hair dryers, boilers?
They don't use step down converters so they can't have a wide range input!
>>53106867
(switching power supply, like in pcs or phone chargers accept 90 -250 volts)
How does this comply with 5"+ screen meme? Such big phone barely fits my pocket while old nokia fits perfectly just because smartphone is too big.
There is no need for thinner phones. If phone manufactures want to reduce space taken by electronics & stuff, its better to fill it with battery.
>>53105003
Yes I really need my phone thinner so it can bend and break every time I sit down or get up.
Thanks Apple for telling me what I really need in my life.
>>53106983
what about if the space wasted by the jack was filled in with battery?
if the phone wasn't thinner at all, you just get back more internal phone space to work with
>>53105088
>tfw samsung increased gs7 by nearly 1mm in comparison to s6 to accommodate battery
>>53105150
This, also shit battery life
I swear guise it's totally the 3,5mm jack that keeps the phones from becoming thinner :^)
>>53106983
>They think it be like is, comrade. But is not.
>>53107127
>apple gets rid of the headphone jack for a single Lightning jack for everything
>laptop has a single USB-C port
>USB-C spec states that you can't make a cable with 2 different ends
Apple went full retard
>>53105003
Whats the name of this connector and jack?
I have never heard of any problems with the connector itself. Shit happens because people keep bending erraticaly the cables and buy shit tier china products. Phones dont need to get any fucking thinner, ffs. They are breaking way too easily. I'd rather have a brick for a phone that can last me 3 years(like the one I currently use) than a piece of paper that can easily break from the pressure of my ass on it.
>>53107247
3.5mm jack?
It's perfect and is nowhere near close to being outdated
>Large enough to be fragile
>Small enough to not be cumbersome
>variety of functions
I'd gladly go back to thicker phones if it meant a longer battery life
>>53105238
Stop having fat hands and learn to put a connector in the correct way
>>53107114
remove headphone jack
make all the other components smaller
use saved space for more battery
>>53107359
>saved space from a headphone jack
>just make all the other components smaller
Wow you're dumb
Enjoy your paper phone that can finally fit in your skinny jeans, faggot
>>53106813
>. It might mess a little with things that use the 60hz for timing
every cheap clock ever, lel
so many people will be late for work
>>53107284
Yeah, they sure are useful. I dont see any reason for another connector. I can only hope for compatibility, and the 3.5mm is almost a standard.
>>53107411
I worded it wrong. I mean height/width size, not thickness. If you remove the headphone jack the board will be thinner. Then you layer some components and have more room for battery
>>53105238
micro USB is the most "engineered to fail" bullshit I've ever had the misfortune to deal with. And it is an incredible pain to solder them without an expensive microsoldering workstation.
>>53107485
Or just keep a ubiquitous standard and makes phones 2mm thicker
Am I the only one that has never broken a microUSB connector? Either way USB-C will be a God send as soon as new phones have the chippers to support faster transfer speeds
>>53105327
>yfw the average tech-tarded iPhone buyer genuinely has no clue how speaker drivers work and thinks Apple is getting rid of analog
>>53106340
Usb 3. Is backwards compatible and adds functionality. There isn't actually any connector "better" 3.5mm audio.
>>53105327
Kek same.
Digital to Analog conversion losed way to much quality.
I listen raw digitally creating sound via vibrations is for old people
>>53105244
You just made me giggle. Thanks.
>>53105238
I have never had any of my micro USB ports on any device break ever.
And while I haven't been particularly careless with them I haven't been overly cautious either.
I can only assume you are completely retarded.
>>53107226
nothing special for apple
>>53105269
the feeling i got when I plugged into your mum is pretty up there m8
>>53105003
You're one sad,pathetic little man.
>>53107549
ithe normies think digutal > analog, but they don't know what a dac is or what it does.
In 10 years apple will implant dacs into ther consumers (non existent) brains so there will be no more wires.
If you don't update to the latest software you'll be made slower by apple.
If you want to troll go over to /v/ faggot!
>>53108966
the words weren't funny, the attitude was.
>>53105003
>>53105003
I want thicker phones. I want big battery and 3,5mm jack. The MUH SUPA THEEN phone is a meme
>>53105088
literal retard
I've got a zerolemon extended battery which makes my phone literally as big as a scientific calculator. I don't think a 3.5mm jack matters.
>>53105165
it breaks easily, its the same reasoning why 1/4 connectors are still used in some devices, robust as fuck
>>53109029
how do wireless bluetooth headphones work then?
are they sending analogue signal over bluetooth digital connection?
>>53106367
This. My phone probably could've had a not-shit battery life but instead they made it super thin because aesthetics are the only thing that matters, apparently.
>>53107486
at least it's not mini-USB
just about every mini-USB device I've owned has had major issues because it fails so quickly
Micro-USB's got issues too, but it at least seems to last longer than that shit.
>>53105003
>is why our phones are so thick
The iPod Touch has the same connector
it is also thinner than the current iPhone
>>53105225
This. I want stereo 6.55 mm jack on my next phone, I don't care how fucking thick the phone has to be to make it happen, either.
In fact, the thicker the phone, the better. You never know when you're going to need a brick to break a window with.
>implying it's not actually because phone hardware requires more power
Look at the iPod Touch then look at the iPhone. Take a guess as to which device has a 1000 mAh battery. The simple truth is that phones need the space for big enough batteries to be usable for a period of at least 8 hours. You could make thinner phones, but nobody would buy them because nobody wants a phone that's dead in 2 hours.
>>53105251
Autism
>>53105523
anon's right pham, its often because component maker cheaped out on the internal springs or dimensions are a bit off somewhere. Plugging or unplugging while live can also short-circuit the amp and even blow it up, i haven't seen that for ages now though - some things have got better. 3.5mm a fiddly shit
>>53105088
>I'd rather they ditch micro usb
Only if in favour of mini USB.
>>53105148
>allow users to feel the buzz by bending their apps
Ah for fucks sake!
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