>ubuntu 16.04 will have zfs
IT IS OVER, OTHER DISTROS IS FINISHED!
>>53046918
Get back to me when it has HAMMER2. HAMMER2 is essentially ZFS but without forcing you to let Oracle hold you by the balls.
>>53046918
Get back to me when it has HAMMER2. HAMMER2 is essentially ZFS but without forcing you to let Oracle hold you by the balls.
Mac OSX already has zfs. Linux BTFO again.
>>53046918
Even assuming ZFS is as a deal breaker as you imply:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/ZFS
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ZFS
https://www.sprezzatech.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS
Besides packages being available for many other distributions.
>>53046918
Get back to me when it has HAMMER2. HAMMER2 is essentially ZFS but without forcing you to let Oracle hold you by the balls.
>>53047039
this desu, fuck Oracle
>>53046918
Get back to me when it has HAMMER2. HAMMER2 is essentially ZFS but without forcing you to let Oracle hold you by the balls.
>>53047521
Get back to me when it has HAMMER2. HAMMER2 is essentially ZFS but without forcing you to let Oracle hold you by the balls.
theverge.com/zfs-on-ubuntu-ms-gives-up
>>53046918 (OP)
Get back to me when it has HAMMER2. HAMMER2 is essentially ZFS but without forcing you to let Oracle hold you by the balls.
whats zfs?
>not being on LTS
>giving into the bi-yearly update schedule
It's like you dumb niggers don't remember unity.
>LVM and BTRFS already exist
Amazing stuff OP
>>53046918 (OP) (OP)
Get back to me when it has HAMMER2. HAMMER2 is essentially ZFS but without forcing you to let Oracle hold you by the balls.
>>53047567
>lvm
eternal beta
>btrfs
eternal alpha
>ZFS
who gives a shit? lets hear about some BTRFS instead
>>53047518
why are you blaming oracle when its the linux kernels GPL2 that makes it somewhat incompatible?
it's pretty retarded from the linux kernel to claim ZFS would be a derivative work when it's clearly not.
>>53047618
>butterface the meme fs
It will literally never be stable.
>>53048023
>I'm so rightly up to date on it's development and am not spouting shit I heard some years ago on a Chinese cartoon forum
>>53046918
Get back to me when it has HAMMER2. HAMMER2 is essentially ZFS but without forcing you to let Oracle hold you by the balls.
>>53047562
Unity is comfy af desu. Only fat niggers dislike it.
>>53048073
>development
Meanwhile, zfs has been in production for about a decade.
>>53047658
Oracle is just fucking evil and should not be trusted, period. Remember OpenSolaris? OpenOffice? Yea, that's exactly what they think of open source software. Given the opportunity they will undermine and/or kill any project that they can sink their claws deep enough into, or at least try their best to. Compared the Microsoft, Oracle appears to be the evil one. That is not an easy thing to pull off.
Oh boy I can't wait to use a RAM-munching enterprise filesystem to store my anime
>>53047658
GNU wrote their license to ensure that more software would become communist and force developers to give up the means of production (their source code)
Zfs is under a license that breaks with complicated GPL legalese like a C program written to standards might suffer from bugs due to the complicated GNU libc.
>>53046918
I am not interested until it has HAMMER2. HAMMER2 is essentially ZFS but without forcing you to let Oracle hold you by the balls.
>>53048104
But it is as heavy as kde and has less features than lxde.
Unity is not a good desktop when the search doesn't give the results you want and the default applications are lacking, even by gnome standards, it is not a good desktop.
>>53046918
Get back to me when it has HAMMER2. HAMMER2 is essentially ZFS but without forcing you to let Oracle hold you by the balls.
>>53048191
oracle is one of biggest backer of btrfs. linux only hope against zfs.
oracle did buy sun years after zfs was released as cddl.
oracle dbs certified for rhel and sled is one reason linux could replace unix.
>>53048295
>linux could replace unix.
What?
WHAT ARE ZFS
>>53047596
btrfs is used on productiob phone os sailfish so yeah fuck off
>>53048343
a filesystem that is really good if it wasn't for the autistic license
>>53048321
>what's solaris, hp-ux, aix, ..
>>53048414
Exactly
>>53048438
you think anything but linux replaced them?
>>53048492
What? No? When you said Linux *could* replace UNIX, it sounded like it hasn't already done so.
>>53048555
oh right, modal verbs and past tense. should have said 'managed to' instead of 'could'
>>53047557
a file system just like ext2 ext3 or ext4 for linux
if you are on windows you probably know NTFS or FAT16/FAT32
>>53046918
Alpha as it apparently is, I'm using btrfs in production since 2012 and it's been absolutely flawless; I'm even using the native raid5 since Linux 4.2. Can't say the same for ZFS and its insane RAM requirements.
Oracle can go fuck themselves. ZFS is trash. Can't even shrink a pool.
>>53048191
Nigga please MS did a fine job of killing Novell and mono.
It's a known strategy of buying out competition and killing it off. Or taking ocer development and completely shitting it up from the inside. Open sores is easy as fuck to disrupt.
>>53048988
>I'm using btrfs
>Oracle can go fuck themselves
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Btrfs
>Btrfs [...] initially designed at Oracle Corporation for use in Linux
>>53047401
Ubunghole finally catches up. All other distros btfo.
>>53046918
Zero Fuck Shit
The Fuck Shit containers in Ubuntu??
>ZFS
>suitable for home use
NOPE
>>53048846
i use ext4 whats so great about zfs?
>>53046918
>2016
>not using btrfs for everything
>>53049169
it has extra features to protect your data from corruptions and it can handle a large amount of data (i think the z stands for zettabytes ).
>>53047538
http://www.theverge.com/zfs-on-ubuntu-this-4chan-poster-was-a-faggot
>>53049180
is data deduplication implemented yet ?
>>53047039
To say nothing of going with fucking systemd
>>53049476
like NeXTBSD isn't going with launchd
Canonical should just help speed up the development of btrfs or fork it and give back to upstream later.
>>53049533
The 4 people that use that OS must be crushed.
>>53049056
Oh, I didn't say I liked the btrfs originators, and the maintainers still have lz4 conspicuously absent, and filesystem encryption not around while letting ext4 trial it out first. But it's not licenced under a stupid other licence that they could relicence but choose not to. They have no actual, real control over it so that's pretty safe. It's a better design, overall, with scope for plenty of further improvements. ZFS has some very, very unexpectedly sharp edges to it.
I really need to review the ext4 encryption: I'm surprised that they're not using an AEAD at present. There's a whole threat model they're not properly addressing and could, because there's room for overhead for OCB3, GCM or ChaCha20_Poly1305 that you don't have with block encryption schemes.
That anon above mentioning HAMMER2 has a solid point. That is one quality filesystem.
>>53049476
Ubuntu is going with systemd because Debian is going with systemd.
Compared to upstart, systemd is brilliant. At least it can handle nginx properly without shitting the bed.
>>53049558
btrfs is a total trainwreck. no fs prior took that long to stabilize. let's add some new features instead.
kernel dev community is openly hostile to canonical anyway.
now even pressuring debian to not use a canonical kernel again.
Thus forcing Debian to delay their announced freeze by months, so they can use some sanctioned lts kernel that's only released at the beginning of the year.
>>53049682
>Compared to upstart, systemd is brilliant.
the problem with systemd was never their init-system but everything else it wants to control.
>>53046918
Why is this a big deal. Other distros already have it.
I'd still use ext4 anyway
>>53050262
>Other distros already have it.
they don't.
Canonical will actually support it and it's a binary kernel module not some source module you have to compile yourself.
>I'd still use ext4 anyway
what was wrong with ext2?
>>53049682
>It's a better design, overall, with scope for plenty of further improvements.
like what? not like any of this matter as long as it isn't stable.
>>53050501
>isn't stable
Listen here, I happen to be an anonymous person on the internet and it totally works for me.
>>53050592
when was your last rebalance?
>>53046918
Get back to me when it has HAMMER2. HAMMER2 is essentially ZFS but without forcing you to let Oracle hold you by the balls.
>Linux
>2016
Cmon guys, install botnet 10
>be Xubuntu user
>New Ubuntu releases
OH BOY!
>Install
Oh... right... xfce doesn't update.
Pretty good news. ZFS is the greatest. But it would be nice if it supported encryption on linux or bsd, and if there was a utility to rebalance data across vdevs.
https://strawpoll.me/6855580
>>53046918
Getting to where we FreeBSD users have been.
Glad you're finally catching up to features we had a decade ago.
Just like when Linux got c groups, everyone shat themselves. FreeBSD has had jails (even better) for longer.
>>53051158
single features don't matter when the rest is shit
>>53051240
Enjoy your apple, faggot fox.
good thread
>>53048414
They are flavors on Unix released by various companies. Try googling them.
>>53050441
No journaling
Only reason I use ext4 over ext2
>>53051157
>windows is leading
what the fuck /g/? am i in /v/ now?
.... You're aware that free oses use openzfs, which is not the same zfs found in solaris and owned by oracle
>>53047039
Cool portability.
>>53047039
The license for zfs isn't actually that fucked.
It's kinda fucked, but mainly just because incompatability with gpl
It isn't that bad
And oracle already holds your balls, might as well get comfy with it
>>53047180
Linux has had a module for years, but it just isn't in the source tree because licenses
>>53049169
It isn't really intended for home users. I would highly discourage using it unless you know what you're doing. If you just need data pools use fucking lvm.
ZFS is amazing for high performance shit like datacentres and hdfs clusters. It has its own raid implementation that blows away mdadm
>>53052463
Well, openzfs and zfsonlinux aren't quite the same, but they are both free-ish and fully compatible with the filesystems created by actual oracle zfs. THere are some slight differences in performance of raidz though, but nothing major afaik
>>53052221
is your system crashing all the time or why wouldn't you prefer speed over a journal?
>>53051158
So...
how are you doing on hardware support bsdfag?
Still lacking drivers for a fuck ton of graphics adaptors and wireless cards
>>53052623
Journaling can help with speed though for some search operations and shit
>>53052623
Journaling has saved my ass more times than I can remember. Plus, I believe the "speed" you would get from using ext2 is underwhelming.
Never heard of it, what is zfs good for? Current partition scheme is pictured.
I don't like btrfs or zfs.
btrfs is slow, incomplete, and reinvents the wheel yet again for no good reason.
zfs is a meme perpetuated by data hoarders designed to waste your money by making you buy lots of expensive ECC ram and server/workstation motherboards.
>>53052618
>openzfs and zfsonlinux aren't quite the same
i think you don't know what openzfs is.
zfs on linux implements openzfs:
http://open-zfs.org/wiki/FAQ#Development_Model
>>53052663
well obv you would do the same thing as google and use ext4 w/o journaling instead. google upstreamed their patches for that.
>>53052687
No, zfs is actually pretty good if you need raidz. Unlike mdadm, raidz doesn't have issues with data corruption during power failures part way through writing a stripe, and because it uses dynamic stripe widths, you don't lose performance to poorly aligned data.
Also raidz array assembly is much faster for partially full arrays because not the whole volume has to be processed, zfs will only reconstruct the parts of the disk that it knows have data on it
It isn't a meme, but unless you need high speed access to >10TB of data it's definitely overkill
It will also have Systemd.
>>53052737
Sounds pretty good, don't see why I shouldn't play with it as a user.
>>53052790
>tfw i actually like systemd
>>53052795
It's just kinda a pain in the ass, especially if you want to try to use a volume for booting, since grub doesn't really understand it. If you have a spare disk it can be fun to fuck with
>>53051240
>rest is shit
[citation needed]
>>53052638
>XD MORE DRIVERS MEANS MY OS IS BETTER
if that's how you define a good operating system, you're a moron and can't be reasoned with.
>>53053382
those are essential drivers for a desktop os.
there's no point in investigating such an os any further.
>>53051145
jesus nigger what are you doing
Another retarded choice by the canonical fags.
On a desktop machine is pretty stupid. It chews through your ram while doing things that are pointless for a desktop and considering most desktop machines aren't using ECC this will just cause more harm then good.
By using btrfs you would get all the good features that ZFS offers from a desktop standpoint without the overhead required for functions that are only useful in large storage clusters.
>>53052544
>And oracle already holds your balls, might as well get comfy with it
The mythical reach-around isn't all people imagine it to be.
>>53053998
Canonical calls it 'the FS for containers'.
you are the retard talking about desktops.
>desktop machines aren't using ECC this will just cause more harm then good.
that's a myth
>By using btrfs you would get all the good features that ZFS offers from a desktop standpoint without the overhead required for functions that are only useful in large storage clusters.
like what?
>>53047180
ZFS was removed from OS X after Oracle bought Sun.
>>53053759
I have working network and video drivers.
>>53047053
>>53047039
Nice to see it has redundancy
>>53050862
Same disappointment as a Gnome user. There's still bits of 3.14 in Ubuntu which screws over Ubuntu Gnome.
>>53050828
>designated
>2016
Cmon Pajeet, poo in loo
>>53054563
I'm not the one who kept spamming that. I posted the original, and that's it.
>>53052790
Doesn't Ubuntu 15.04~15.10 already have it too?
>>53047180
Linux can't even default a filesystem that shits itself due to braindead design.
Linux BTFO again.
>>53046918
it's spelled JFS
>>53033058
See this post:
>>53034889
>>53047039
HAMMER only works on amd64
>>53056728
The JFS Post
To get started let's quote Wikipedia
>In the Linux operating system, JFS is supported with the kernel module (since the kernel version 2.4.18pre9-ac4) and the complementary userspace utilities packaged under the name JFSutils. Most Linux distributions support JFS, unless it is specifically removed due to space restrictions or other concerns. Most LiveCD distributions do not provide support of JFS because JFSutils are not installed.
So the kernel supports it natively now, and most distos can support the JFSutils, let's see some benchmarks.
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=9way_linux317_fs&num=2
more info
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/JFS_Filesystem
>According to reviews and benchmarks of the available filesystems for Linux, JFS is fast and reliable, with consistently good performance under different kinds of load, contrary to other filesystems that seem to perform better under particular usage patterns, for instance with small or large files.
So JFS works better overall than any other file system, it blows others out of the water in terms of performance in read/writes of files of different sizes, shallow and deep directory traversal, why isn't it the default file system?
Well, according to Canonical, "ext4 offers better performance" *record stop* as of June, 2013. And what they didn't tell you is they were comparing an un-optimized (read: trivial configuration that every OEM/distro provider should be able to do) JFS to a heavily tuned ext4.
>>53056754
Continuing on, when you come across any discussion about file systems and anyone mentions JFS, they usually say something like well, yeah I heard it's fast, but nobody supports it, or only IBM uses it. Well, hate to say I told you so, but JFS has had complete Linux kernel support since 2.4.18pre9-ac4. We are on version 4.x now, and android even uses v 3.x
What's the deal? The deal is people just don't know about JFS and for any number of reasons just aren't using it. Interoperability isn't a problem, if your OS can read a file system, it can access the data on it, you can have multiple file systems on different logical disks.
The only time JFS underperforms other FS's like ext4 is during kernel compilation, and it's only by about 20%. So unless you have a machine that's doing nothing but compiling your kernel, or large software all the time, then you're probably safe to bet that JFS will give you the better overall performance.
>>53056754
NTFS is still king.
>JFS shills
I didn't know fs shilling was even possible
>>53056830
only because microshaft is too cucked by dumb consumers to switch to the superior in every way ReFS
>>53056859
calm yourself, they're only facts. look at the tests
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=9way_linux317_fs&num=2
>>53056762
But I compile like literally all day long. And docker defaults to zfs (fucking devops assholes)
>>53046918
Get back to me when it has HAMMER2. HAMMER2 is essentially ZFS but without forcing you to let Oracle hold you by the balls.
>>53056744
>running a non 64bit os
Get with the times grandpa, it's the 21st century
>>53056883
>ignoring the jfs results ...
BTFO
T
F
O
>>53057077
it's all about the JFS results though.
did you even look passed page 2? every other fs is BTFO where it really matters
>>53057087
Larrabel specifically calls out jfs as being invalid due to delayed journal writes.
>Of the file-systems working appropriately, F2FS was the fastest for FS-Mark.
>>53047039
Only works on KernelPanicBSD
>>53054563
Kek, its been a while since I laughed.
>>53055362
>The joke
---------------------------->>>>>
>your head
>your vagina
>>53051145
Shit nigga post your specs.
>1.7T on mango
I would download our goddess if I had that much storage. Well, I technically can, but I'd be sacrificing backups.
>>53057768
(not the guy you replied to) When I finish uni and get a job I'm going to download fucking everything, and I'm going to wait until something like ipfs, but anonymous, looks like it's ready to take off, then I'm going to dump all my shit for everyone to download from.
The current methods of transferring files by either having a server, or clearnet peers, is unsustainable in the long term, and dangerous for the longevity of digital media.
>>53057852
>dump all my shit for everyone to download from.
Mah nigga. I'd love to do the same thing, but I don't have that much stuff that isn't ROMS, animu, and mango and my upload is absolute shit at 4mbps.
Pic related already has backups included.
>>53048104
unity is fucking disgusting
and that fucking drum sound made me legitimately laugh out loud
ubuntu has a long way to go if they want to not be full blown retarded
>>53058918
>tfw no more glorious GNOME 2
>>53046918
Dude NiggerOS is the Duke Nukem of operating systems. Do you remember wayland?
Fuck Linux
>>53060036
Fuck yourself too
>>53060036
I'd love to fuck Linux.
>>53060036
>>53062260
time to fap
>>53046918
my ubangoo already has native zfs
>>53046918
the work they have to do to not violate their own license is mindboggling.
"free software" my ass.
>>53056744
wait, HAMMER only supports the bitness it specifically has been designed for!?
HORRRRY SHEEET!
>>53046918
More like Ubuntu is finished.
Fuck, time to switch to a new distro...not using that ancient shit.
