Who is the strongest hacker of these two?
>>52943002
Stallman was the last true hacker between the two.
Stop limiting my choices shitlord. too much dogma with Stallman. ESR gets the bitches.
>>52943012
Writing drivers (linus) is much harder than writing a shit os thats still shit to this day (richard)
>>52943075
Low quality bait.
>>52943092
>bait
>>52943092
it is shit, but it's cheap so corporations love it.
>>52943092
Wow, a fanboy
>>52943002
Linus is the pragmatic hacker, Stallman is the philosopher.
This thread has gone to shit.
>>52943189
>restriction is freedom!
Stallman is a shit philosopher.
>>52943373
If everyone had "full freedom" nobody would have any. Freedom and responsibility have to be balanced out to create a fair state.
Neither "too much", nor "too little" freedom is good.
Stallman doesn't program or even manage programmers anymore, and Torvalds is an amazing implementor, and still writes a little here and there.
It might have been a question 20 years ago, but not today.
>>52943667
Man that wasn't supposed to be a run-on.
>>52943628
wtf does the state have to do with software and stallman?
>>52943002
RMS sleeps in a broom closet at MIT
>Advantage RMS
>>52943788
State as in situation
>>52943373
i prefer
>forced freedom
>>52943075
>GNU Hurd
0.7 wut?
>>52943002
Linux is easily
>>52943854
It took 30 years to get to 0.7; don't worry it won't reach 1.0 in your lifetime.
>>52943135
Corporations only use operating systems that provide support so they can point the blame at someone when shit goes tits up.
>>52943886
You must be still in college or NEET. I know you're not in industry, otherwise you'd know that HP, IBM DELL, Oracle, intel all support GNU/Linux. It's easier to find GNU/Linux support than it is commercial Unix.
>>52943002
Linus is smarter. He wears glasses.
>>52943002
Linus writes beautiful code. He has published some side projects that he wrote all on his own and the code is just wonderful. He also lives in the real world while still maintaining his open source ideals and supporting himself through his work.
RMS is basically a homeless loser who hasn't made any real contributions in the last 20 years. He is still super butthurt that Linux beet HURD (but hey, HURD just got basic sound support in 2016!) and basically tries to claim Linux because Linus used GCC and the GNU coreutils. He survives on the charity of others and speaking engagements where he spouts his insane, paranoid, philosophy. Basically he won't be happy until all the programmers are homeless hackers like him and all the companies are shut down. How people are supposed to support themselves and their families in that scenario aren't things he has to deal with because he is basically a permanent grad student. He does make some good points about privacy, but for him, there is no middle ground. Anything that may reduce your privacy even the slightest bit (like movie recommendations on Netflix) is evil according to him, and must be destroyed. In a lot of ways he show classic signs of mental splitting, which is a classic symptom of mental illness. To top it off, when he does write code, he does so in the style of the awful GNU style guide which is a crime against humanity IMHO.
>>52944160
>RMS is basically a homeless loser
but he travels the world to speak and spread GPL ideals, He's living the dream
>>52943879
>It took 30 years to get to 0.7
Because no one uses the Hurd (^:
>>52944232
That is all he does.
Would you want to use your computer like this: https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html
Because that is the world RMS advocates for.
>>52944232
Living his dream and trying to convince others that its the one true dream to live.
>>52944284
GPL is the ideal. His life work is spreading it, although I wish he would diet and exercise so he could perhaps live longer and shave so he could be taken more seriously
>>52944264
>Thinkpad X60
Oh hell no.
>>52944264
I'm not GNU/tard but I don't see anything wrong with this.
>>52944160
Well stated, sir. Bravo.
>`read', `eval', and `print' are all missing in Python.
What did RMS mean by this?
>>52944358
Basically he doesn't like Python because it isn't Lisp and doesn't work like Lisp.
>>52944264
>https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html
So thats what its like being insane......
>>52944160
My thoughts exactly. BS aside he clearly has mental issues and it's obvious why his views can't work.
>>52944232
>He's living the dream
And yet he keeps admitting that he is lonely as fuck.
>>52944524
>https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html
*can work. All my work is GPL, and I'm happy
In June 2000, while visiting Korea, I did a fun hack that clearly illustrates the original and true meaning of the word "hacker".
I went to lunch with some GNU fans, and was sitting down to eat some tteokpaekki (*), when a waitress set down six chopsticks right in front of me. It occurred to me that perhaps these were meant for three people, but it was more amusing to imagine that I was supposed to use all six. I did not know any way to do that, so I realized that if I could come up with a way, it would be a hack. I started thinking. After a few seconds I had an idea.
First I used my left hand to put three chopsticks into my right hand. That was not so hard, though I had to figure out where to put them so that I could control them individually. Then I used my right hand to put the other three chopsticks into my left hand. That was hard, since I had to keep the three chopsticks already in my right hand from falling out. After a couple of tries I got it done.
Then I had to figure out how to use the six chopsticks. That was harder. I did not manage well with the left hand, but I succeeded in manipulating all three in the right hand. After a couple of minutes of practice and adjustment, I managed to pick up a piece of food using three sticks converging on it from three different directions, and put it in my mouth.
>>52944578
This can't be real.
>>52944264
>The OLPC uses a nonfree firmware blob for the WiFi, so I could not use the internal WiFi device. No big problem, I used an external one.
this man is autism incarnate
>>52944160
>viciously sucking torvalds' dick
easy, fucboi!
>>52944578
Why do I find this adorable?
>>52944545
He just needs to lose weight and shave
>>52944611
He just makes up his own rules as he goes along. He shouldn't have used the device at all, but that would be too inconvenient.
>>52944606
You don't know RMS then
>>52944606
https://stallman.org/articles/on-hacking.html
>>52944613
Not really, C/C++ is usually pretty ugly but his is nice. Go check it out: https://github.com/torvalds/subsurface
>>52943068
yeah and the liver cirrhosis
ESR is a bitter old man that didn't succeed.
>>52944713
stop projecting. Is your code in every Android device?
>>52944663
because it is
>>52943068
>>52944788
>your code
>owning code
heh
>>52944840
>Never written code.
Heh. Why are you on /g/?
>>52943068
Sauce?
>>52944879
I did but i would never claim to "own" code.
>>52944810
Why is that woman holding her debit card?
>>52944896
So when you draw something that's not yours either?
>>52944896
Yeah, nobody would claim a fizzbuzz program.
>>52944949
No he's saying his code is so shitty he wouldn't want to claim it.
>>52944918
Great question dude
>>52944949
someone could draw something similar without ever seeing my picture and i wouldn't care. same goes for code. i don't think it's right to "own" an idea or specific implementation.
>>52945018
Why? You can own an idea if you had it first, GPL is about sharing, not copyright
>>52944578
I can surprisingly relate to that. It's autistic, but in a fun, entertaining way.
>>52944448
Lispers are unbelievable in sense they sperg out about superiority of their language all day erry day but in the end when they actually get something noteworthy done it is not in Lisp. Case 1: Stallman writing parts of Emacs in C to make it portable.
Case 2: Zawinsky hating Netscape for using C++ but that browser is the only product he is known for.
And I'm a lisper myself. Awesome language but holy shit is the community horrible. Just browse Lainchan for a while to see what I mean.
>>52945154
Its not autistic. When someone is autistic they have no friends, they kick holes in walls, scrape floors with knives, speak really really softly and effeminately. I've worked with these children. The vast majority are male, yes this is true
>>52944578
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>>52945200
When I say faggot, I don't mean homesexual. When I say nigger, I don't mean black man. And when I say autistic, I don't mean clinically diagnosed.
Welcome to 4chan, where not everything is literal, you autist.
>>52944918
>her debit card
That's not how women work. That's *his* debit card.
>>52945056
I like free licenses because they are made to prevent code to be "claimed" by proprietary software developers. i would find it better if there was no copyright on software and art at all.
but this is just my philosophical view.
>>52945239
>when I say
>Welcome to 4chan
>>52945018
If I draw a painting that's my property. I could sell it and make it someone else's property, but until then it's mine. Do you think it's not yours because of the tools you used? Like using keys / pencils on am editor/paper just makes it using someone else's tools?
>>52944606
what can't be real? one of the original MIT hackers defining what a hacker is in the older sense of the word before the media made the word cracker and hacker synonyms?
>>52944160
The most sane post on /g/ I've ever seen. You nailed it senpai
>>52943879
https://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-cd the future is now
>>52945336
a painting is physical, a printed digital painting is physical, a printed book is physical, a device that runs software is physical, a cd is physical... you see where i am getting?
>>52945346
I'm all for the use of hack in it's proper form. The writing is just weird. Almost sounds like a parody.
>>52945400
the electrical current pattern that runs through the hardware is also physical. Are you implying ...?
>>52945400
I digital paint though. Is it not my proper until it's printed? What about printing code? Which is pretty much punch cards. Those are physical.
>>52945400
>a printed book is physical
wait, so if I self publish a book and publish it in epub only...i never own it?
I think you are having trouble articulating your philosophy.
>>52944160
>First off, I'd suggest printing out a copy of the GNU coding standards,
>and NOT read it. Burn them, it's a great symbolic gesture.
https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/CodingStyle
>>52945452
>implying electrons have mass
>>52945456
I'd buy punchcards of my favorite software, even if it's just parts of the software, someone should start this.
>>52943861
I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux
>>52945491
>>52944578
>using nonfree sticks
>>52945499
>LOOK LOOK GNU IS STILL RELEVANT! SOME OF OUR CODE IS USED IN LINUX DISTRIBUTIONS SO YOU HAVE TO CALL IT GNU/LINUX EVEN THOUGH THAT ISN'T A REQUIREMENT OF ANY OF OUR LICENSES. FSF IS STILL INFLUENTIAL. SEE HOW POPULAR THE GPL 3 IS!
>>52945596
look at this retard getting mad at a meme
>>52945475
it's a bit hard to articulate in a foreign language, i differentiate between the german "Eigentum" as it's used in law and the german "Besitz" as it's used in law. i don't think there is a fitting equivalent to it in the english language.
> yfw Alan Cox wrote more of Linux than Linus
>>52945665
yet we don't call it alanox
(or stallmanix)
>>52945628
Dutchie here, will try to explain. I do get what you mean now. He's basically making a difference between personal property that's made for internal reasons and commercial property like real estate.
>>52944665
he used to be hot as fuck.
>tfw no young stallman bf
I'd fuck that
>>52945813
Holy shit
Time's a bitch
>>52943068
his name sounds like an x86 register. actually, http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0470f/BEIJHIJA.html
>>52944160
>beautiful code
kill yourself
>>52945847
Not exactly.
Having no regard for your looks or hygiene is a bitch.
>>52945813
>>52945934
He can still fit in those shoes **optimism**
>>52945981
these shoes are ~40 years old now, i don't think they are still usable.
>>52944264
This is not the world RMS advocates for, rather these are the sacrifices he makes in the name of free software. If everyone moved toward free software obviously he and we wouldn't have to use our computers like that.
Without a doubt, Stallman is the strongest figure in computing history.
>>52944160
saving for future use when people ask this question again because it's perfect
>>52944264
>https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html
>Please don't buy books (or anything) from Amazon!
hahaha, my sides.
>>52944264
how the FUCK is he so autistic about freedom in software, yet he supports motherfucking bernie sanders as president
what in the actual fuck
>>52946621
meant for>>52946580
>>52946637
Wouldn't you agree it's extremely inconsistent?
>>52946580
>>52946671
What's the clash here?
>>52945981
LOL. Thas' rite, girl!
