Find a flaw
>Pro-tip: You can't
>Find a flaw
Never heard of it.
>>52933937
Find yourself some time anon it's worth it
>>52933902
Never heard of it and it has a shitty mobile site.
>>52934005
Look it up on youtube Paradise or Oblivion
>>52933902
Its communism.
Capitalism is literally the best model for society.
>>52934041
>>52934083
Not for society, anything economic perhaps but for society hell no.
>>52934213
Define economic
>>52934083
>Capitalism is literally the best model for society.
No. Capitalism is the best model for nature. But society is not part of the nature, only the humans beings are.
The best model for society is communism, but it is not part of our nature as humans.
So in the end of the day we're pretty much fucked up as species. There is no future for us unless we evolve to entirely new level of thinking and embrace the so called communism. Which btw. there is no doubt that will be authoritarian until common higher mind have been developed by using telepathy or some other sci-fi shit method of instant communication (higher/global level of neural network).
>>52933902
>voodoo socialism
It cannot possibly go wrong!
>>52934254
It is clearly not. Communism never works because one guy or a committee or whatever run the fucker
Capitalism is automatic. It's a set of rules that automatically create consequences
There is no hierarchy there is no immunity. Anyone can become anything he wants go be given he works/hustles for that shit.
What we have now is crony capitalism which is why everyone hates capitalism and think capitalism doesn't work.
They disabled youtube comments fuck them
>>52934254
>Capitalism is the best model for nature.
What the actual fuck? Think about the rate at which capitalist societies consume natural resources (communist societies can be just as bad, but still...)
>>52933902
Botnet city
Surveillance
No funs or guns
Cant say nigger
Sounds like hell
>>52934305
what is wrong with committees? which communism was run by one guy?
automatism is fine, but more importantly we need good consequences
how can your ideal capitalism prevent devolution into crony capitalism?
>>52934353
>What is monetary/fiscal policy?
>>52934325
it is replication of natural principles
dominating species also spread until they blindly hit resource limits
capitalism also does not review its principles no matter how tragic are consequences
>>52934041
>>52934083
>>52934254
>>52934294
>>52934341
You guys don't know what you're talking about look at the videos tvp puts out
>>52934360
is this answer? to what?
>>52934360
Lol you don't know?
>how can your ideal capitalism prevent devolution into crony capitalism?
>>52934397
>SMRT man who is above it all
>>52934353
Committees suck because how is some group of even elite geniuses going to know how I should live my life when I live hundreds of miles away doing completely unrelated things. The point is they can't. Communism is authoritarian, man is fallible and thus can be corrupted and the last thing you want is a bunch of concentrated power in the hands of the corruptable.
and for the retard who said capitalism will consume all resources, why would somebody do that? Forests are often replaced or replanted, for continued lumber harvesting. It would be stupid otherwise to just not replant
>>52934427
Comitees and leadership draws out corruption people who want Power and easy bribes like flies to shit.
>>52934426
I know what tvp wants to do, that's all. You could be too all you have to do is ask something
>>52934415
a government that is adherent to its principles? a citizenry that gives a shit? localized power rather than federal so it doesnt all seem so far away to citizenry?
crony capitalism is government interference to help or ruin a business
>>52933902
>Beyond politics poverty and war
The fuck is politics poverty? Some sort of new poverty?
>>52934427
in context of socialism committee is group organized to manage means of production they themselves work with
if that is somehow authoritarian, how would you describe capitalistic authoritarian level?
>>52934427
>and for the retard who said capitalism will consume all resources, why would somebody do that? Forests are often replaced or replanted, for continued lumber harvesting. It would be stupid otherwise to just not replant
the price signals are delayed from decisions, you can cut branch under yourself
plus capital today is not bound to single industry, if you can move on to more interesting investments it does not matter if there are no trees left after you
>>52934465
it's an advanced poverty, keep up nigger
>>52934465
A comma in between wasn't put there damn son
>>52934446
>a government that is adherent to its principles? a citizenry that gives a shit?
so not capitalists
>crony capitalism is government interference to help or ruin a business
actually it is takeover of government by capitalists to promote their interests by other means than market
>>52934470
TVP wouldn't have people deciding the means of production
>>52934497
that is one reason why I am not a fan
>>52934325
>What the actual fuck?
this >>52934389
Alright it's my first time walking out of the cancer of /b/ into the /g/ section. Isn't this board supposed to discuss tech? TVP is filled with technology to improve the lives of people, otherwise it's just a pile of junk.
>>52934510
Why not? Do you worry a machine take over or something?
>>52934525
I am afraid technology has political consequences
>>52934389
There are no natural principles, all principles are arrived at due to the environment each species has. Look up TVP
>>52934540
There would be no politics, if there was a problem we'd fix it instead of telling people what to do when faced with the problem. With the best means there available, which are the methods of science applied to the social structure
>>52934532
I worry about meaning of life there
it is an abstract kind of feel
I am all for trying it in small experiment though
>>52934566
During the transition, 1/8th of the full city was designed and built and then replicated
>>52934546
>There are no natural principles, all principles are arrived at due to the environment each species has.
nature is a complex word, but it surely fits to not-altered-by-humans environment
>Look up TVP
cute
>>52934562
so it is based on faith that science, in its modern meaning, can solve everything the best way
sounds like fragile construct, that can work only with very homogenized population
enjoy your crazy cows
>>52934593
Who was talking about nature?
I agree that it is a complex word but what does it have to do with principles?
>>52934619
It's not faith, it's methods proven to work
>>52934620
>I agree that it is a complex word but what does it have to do with principles?
take gravitation for example, that is natural law just like survival of the fittest
>>52934630
>It's not faith, it's methods proven to work
I did not said science is faith, lrn2read
>>52934651
Fine it's not based on faith, it's based on methods proven to work
>>52934546
>There are no natural principles
Plain wrong.
>>52934667
>methods proven to work
in their fields, not as a social regime
>>52934640
Yeah and we would live only by those laws, but those laws have to be known by everybody, in order for the new resource based economy to work. Survival of the fittest no longer applies because we have the capability for the first time in history to achieve abundance. That will end most predatory behavior.
>>52933902
oh hey zeitfag
i guess you got tired of being b& from /f/ for posting your shitty propaganda videos
>>52934673
Alright what do you mean by natural principles?
>>52934704
>That will end most predatory behavior.
instincts lasts millennias, at least
>>52934713
You don't know enough to say anything remotely close to what I did or do.
>>52934728
Have you studied biology or anything similar? What do you know to make such a claim?
>>52934728
There are no instincts either. The fight or flight is learned through experience. I say these things because I heard it from an old fuck who spend his entire life studying this.
>>52933902
Some technocratic, totalitarian BS where people in committees like to decide for everyone else.
Resource-based economics is completely anti-freedom.
>>52934716
>Alright what do you mean by natural principles?
There is a hidden algorithm behind everything that we call nature or universe. This algorithm has patterns, these panthers we call principles.
The shape of the tree and the thunderbolt are completely different things but they're governed by one and the same principles.
The same is valid for the pure form of capitalism and the so called "law of the jungle" or "evolution". The strongest will survive, the weak will die.
>>52934815
There will be no decisions done by people all decisions would be arrived at through machine calculations.
>Anti-freedom
>>52934704
>Survival of the fittest
>predatory behavior
Do you even know what fitness means in this context?
>>52934824
The algorithm is not hidden anymore. Everything is pushed by something else. Where do the smartest fit in that scenario?
The world is in constant change, you can't base your knowledge with something discovered decades ago.
>>52934866
I thought you meant the strongest and faster. What do you mean?
>>52934815
>anti-freedom
There is no freedom while you're alive. You always need to breath, drink and eat and pursue your natural needs.
Once born, you are a slave of your urges.
And this the root cause of all further complications that we can meet in our lives.
>>52933937
/thread
>>52934892
I'm not that Anon. But given what you responded to, the same question obviously also applies to him.
This is really the Kruger-Dunning effect at work here. Everything you guys seem to know about evolution must be derived from some shitty US documentary about predators.
Are there any libraries where you live? Better pick up a textbook on evolution right now, before you further entrench yourself in that 1970's pop-science bullshit.
>>52934824
Logic exists only in the eye of the logician and numbers exist only in the eye of the mathematician. Reality is chaos, order is an illusion.
>>52934933
Tvp believes all negative and destructive urges can be eradicated with decent help, away from the money oriented society.
>>52934833
And that's somehow better?
>>52934933
Specialization and exchange in a (free) market economy satisfies my needs. As technology progresses, more goods become cheaper (and almost free). No need for such a centralized system, based on the narrow-minded understanding of one guy with grandiose ideas how the world should run.
>>52934757
As somebody who is studying this stuff. Instincts last a very very long time. Look at the instinctual responses of babies from when we were nomadic tribes. Babies when dropped will instinctually move their arms in such a way as to prevent as much damage as they can when they impact the ground. There's also the swimming response when they're dropped in water. Why do we have these responses still? Evolutionarily it's better to be safe than sorry although it's important to note that evolution has no plan or goal
>>52934809
That's completely wrong
>>52934869
>The algorithm is not hidden anymore.
Only very a small fraction of it.
>you can't base your knowledge with something discovered decades ago
Everything is connected. you can't gain new knowledge without stepping on something discovered decades ago
>>52934968
Reality is both. And in the future everyone will be a mathematician and a logician, and a biologist and whatever branch of science there is because the more information there is the better the quality of life.
>>52934992
I don't know much about responses from babies so I can't follow on that.
>>52934992
I fell like you're projecting a purpose to the movements of babies. But I don't know.
Also have you heard what I base my opinion? You know who I'm talking about right? It's the starter of the Venus Project, Jacque Fresco. It might be true where I come from. Take that in consideration.
>>52935030
>And in the future everyone will be a mathematician and a logician, and a biologist
This. We're just a machines.
Some of us are, simple Core i3 or i5s, others Xeons and AMD FX's.
You can play a stupid game or you can simulate nuclear synthesis. It's a matter of choice and resources.
>>52934968
>Logic exists only in the eye of the logician
Right, logic is only a construct. In reality, something can very well be at the same time its own negation.
You know: not everything has to be A or not-A. It could also be neither! Or even both!
Logic only obfuscates this very obvious truth! This preposterous notion could only exist in the heads of logicians!
>>52934389
>capitalism does not review it's principles no matter how tragic the consequences.
This is a good point, however there will come a day when the principles of capitalism will be at odds with the principles of nature. This is why a resource based economy is a good thing, the earth can't sustain our consumerism forever.
>>52935030
Information is viewed as a commodity in the modern capitalist society. Whoever controls the flow of information controls quality of life. Patents are pure cancer for this reason. Example: HIV medication is cheap to manufacture but is very expensive to buy because pharma companies know there is a high demand for it.
>>52935276
I'm not talking about control of information. I'm talking about how it will be available for everyone.
>Find a flaw
it's socialist utopism...
also, the man behind it (Jacque Fresco) is a kike, with ties to the zeitgeist movement
>>52935362
It's not socialism and it's not utopia.
Now what's wrong with the zeitgeist movement?
>>52935407
http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/articles/the-zeitgeist-movement/
>>52935407
>zeitgeist movement?
It's NWO alias.
Communism in a nutshell. Same shit like Russia in 1917 but just a different day and therefore different wrapping.
>>52934968
>Logic exists only in the eye of the logician and numbers exist only in the eye of the mathematician.
Logic and mathematics are probably just a levels of abstraction of something that is hidden deeply beyond them.
Something that we will probably never understand nor having capacity to do so.
>>52935472
Sorry I don't see it that way
>>52935450
I don't know, they merely show us what happened and what could happen if we change our ways, if everything stays the same it will die
>>52933902
Take this shit to /pol/
>>52935620
>Take this shit to /pol/
Technocracy belongs to technology lad.
>>52935646
It's not technocracy. Scientists and engineers would not make decisions for society. They would arrive at them by calculations done by machines.
>>52935543
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cBdbw3hsUE
>>52935724
>mother Theresa
>good
>Hitler
>bad
Go kill yourself.
>>52935724
There are so many things misinterpreted in that video. I do not have the time or energy to address them all so have this link to what exactly are the things in the Venus Project
http://askjacquefresco.com/en/index.php/component/faqbookpro/category/114-quotes
>>52935704
>They would arrive at them by calculations done by machines.
Who is going to program the machines?
>>52935985
I don't know
>>52935985
I'm talking about decisions like where to grow which kind of food. Where will be buildings designed to withstand a tsunami,huricane or an earthquake
>>52933902
they, didn't, use, oxford,-comma,'s,,,
