>In short: Microsoft is taking action. It has decided to release updates “later this year” which will enable users to fully control all background telemetry and data tracking and, if desired, disable it completely.
TELEMETRY CAN BE DISABLED
no excuse not to use windows 10 now
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/02/11/microsoft-makes-windows-10-u-turn/#652b26f03974
it's like you never used tcpdump, you dumb shit
no they won't
>>52926656
>You can turn it off this time guys, for real
>just trust us, this time we're serious
>>52926656
>believing this
Microsoft is anti-user control. I say they'll put a nonfunctional button in a menu somewhere to 'disable' it.
>>52926656
>now
You meant later this year right?
>>52926656
Doesn't matter, I've already completely disabled all MS bound network traffic.
Don't give a fuck. Call me when they allow users to select updates again.
>>52926678
>tcpdump
>mfw Microsoft starts sending telemetry data over UDP since /g/tards don't know what a protocol is
Already installed Spybot Antibeacon and O&O ShutUp 10.
>>52926730
>Microsoft is anti-user control.
Only cause the market is trending in that direction. They gave you full control over everything in XP and Vista, and the OS was a piece of shit because not a single user understood the repercussions of such level of control; other than the people who made malware. People want the comfort of ease of use, not the security of being in control.
>>52926656
>no excuse not to use windows 10 now
Yeah, it's proprietary, the default filesystem is garbage, and the kernel is Swiss cheese when it comes to security.
>itt linux and apple shills
give microsoft some credit for actually listening to user feedback
>>52926656
>i-i-it's for real this time guys! n-now please get win10.
>>52926656
>>52927161
I have a question. Why doesn't Microsoft released two operating systems, one for people who don't care about the data-gathering, and one for people who do?
>>52927251
They could've just, you know, not fucked up in the first place. This is almost as bad as the xbone launch. MS has shat the bed with everything they've done in the last decade, it's really not OK anymore.
>>52927293
Don't be dumb. They have zero incentive to maintain two OSes.
>>52927306
>>52927087
Anyone would sure as fuck know when network packets shouldn't be being sent anywhere from their system. Hell, reinstall the system anew and track packets after "disabling" the telemetry.
I could bet money this is just more skake oil, who fucking cares.
>>52926656
>they "trust" me, dumb fucks
Trusting a company that supports PRISM
>>52926656
How many times have they promised that?
>sage
>>52926656
>being stupid enough to believe Microsoft will let you disable their entire business plan
>>52926656
>being stupid enough to believe Microsoft will let you disable their entire business plan
>>52926656
>Disable it in an update
>wait 5 or 6 months for the sheep to gather and install it
>issue another, this time silent, update enabling it again
>>52926656
>being stupid enough to believe Microsoft will let you disable their entire business plan
>>52928841
>>52928887
>>52928957
Personally, I'll believe it when I see it. But I think the main reason they'd have for doing this is, the bad PR is too much for them. Windows 10 adoption has been slow as fuck. So their logic here is, they can probably make enough money off of the current crop of people who don't mind their privacy being invaded to let power users disable it. Plus, if they get rid of the
>you literally can't turn off this shit
rhetoric whenever anyone asks about Windows 10, more people who are undecided or wouldn't know any better would jump on is what they're probably thinking. Plus, you guys are forgetting the biggest cash cow for M$, the enterprise market. You think they're okay with letting their machines with private corporate data be be telememed? Of course not, no knowledgeable sysadmin would ever consult to upgrade to 10 with that kind of shit. M$ went too far this time because their business customers aren't taking that shit. Also, inb4
>m-muh enterprise LTSB
You could never completely turn it all off, not even LTSB.
Wow, all it took was a fabricated post on a reddit clone filled with right wing nationalists to change something.
>>52928957
This. Don't trust Microsoft.
i don't give a shit about telemetry.
as long as there are forced updates i have no interest in windows 10
>>52927340
yeah all you have to do is run wireshark 24x7 and windows 10 is great
>>52926656
Thank fucking god I might actually upgrade to windows 10 now
Ok first of all, they don't publish your data, and they don't 'troll through' your email to see whatever porn sites you're registered to.
>>52929382
thanks man i was worried 5¢
>>52929382
$ .10 has been deposited into your account.
>>52929382
and what happens if they get hacked?
https://bgr.com/2016/02/09/fbi-hack-personal-information-dotgovs/
what happened to the fucking FBI can happen to microsoft at any point in time as well. would you trust random blackhat hackers with all the private data and telemetry data microsoft is currently collecting?
if yes, you might as well post your credit card information in this thread
>>52929382
I think they're worried about this.
>>52929543
Still keeping up the fallacies I see. See, Microsoft probably collects data to see if you have anything illegal on your pc, which puts them on the government payroll. They don't go out of their way to copy your whole hdd to their servers, steal all your passwords and personal details. They just do what the government asks them so they can enjoy the taxpayers' money.
>>52929639
looks like you haven't read their updated privacy statement
https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/
click on "learn more" and educate yourself.
Pic related should be read by the whole population of the world, twice.
>>52929639
>Still keeping up the fallacies I see.
That's not a fallacy, Pajeet, it's a legitimate concern considering blackhats are more aggressive than ever. Just today an anonymous (as in journalist anonymous) Apple employee came out and said blackhats were offering him 5 figure sums for his credentials. You think they're not trying the same shit with M$ also? Get real. Any data M$ or ANY company collects is a liability because these companies are forever on the defensive and it is only a matter of time.
>>52929659
or i could just not install their spyware and avoid the trust issues and conflict of interest entirely
>>52929718
The last line of >>52929543 is a fallacy.
If you do that (not sperg out because Microsoft collects data), then why not do this (publish all your personal details, because, you know, Microsoft already has access to it, even though there are some lines they can't cross).
>>52926656
LEARN TO SHIT IN A FUCKING TOILET PARJEET
>>52929681
>t. reddit
>>52927340
you realize that if microsoft wanted, they could straight up prevent anything like wireshark from seeing the packets leaving in the first place, right?
they control the fucking kernel, they can decide to hide anything they want and unless you are watching down the wire you wont see it
>>52929767
my point still stands and you have yet to answer my question.
http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-has-no-plans-to-change-windows-10-consumer-privacy-settings/
>>52926656
>""""""fully control""""""
Shills? On MY /g/?
>>52926656
<insert paid indian shill meme here>
>>52929833
Ok I'll try to answer your kinda rhetorical question. Anyone whose data is important is likely already aware of it and protects it. The average Joe's data isn't important to 'blackhats', the only thing Microsoft needs from the average Joe's data is the illegal bit they 'sell' to the government and the other bit they sell to advertising companies.
>>52929543
Is this what you fucking idiots are resorting to? Government systems are in worse shape than a company like fucking microsoft, not to mention you are probably dumb enough to think that shit like uac escalations and other bullshit is actually the same as PII coming from the government.
By that logic I hope you never purchase anything online because that information is just as valuable and can be hacked at any time. Not to mention all of the data on services like xbox live, which is actually valuable.
>>52929855
>forbes
first they serve malware right after begging their users to turn off their adblockers and now they post clickbait with false information. what a shit tier website
>>52929855
Microsoft shills caught lying again.
AGAIN!
>>52929901
>The average Joe's data isn't important to 'blackhats'
>what is identity theft
>what is credit card fraud
you're a moron, i'm done talking to you.
>>52929925
That argument can literally be used on any online shopping site. Amazon would be a better target. You act like every windows 10 install is sending your credit card number back.
>>52929855
>Ed Bott
>Bott
>Bottnet
>Botnet
I DON'T KNOW WHO TO TRUST
>>52929911
I'd honestly believe Forbes over ZDNet on this one. ZDNet is just doing damage control because the writers are trying hard as fuck not to look retarded when it comes to their position on privacy with Windows 10, literally a day or two after saying
>n-n-nuh uh it's not spying you did the test wrong
Ed's sources could be just as misinformed as Forbes' sources for all we know, and talking about "language" is useless too because PR talk the same fucking way whenever they issue public statements.
>>52929825
that image is a permanent sticky on /pol/
>>52926656
>Even considering spyware 10 for daily usage
>>52929829
>you realize that if microsoft wanted, they could straight up prevent anything like wireshark from seeing the packets leaving in the first place, right?
Not if you run it in a VM on a Linux box and run Wireshark on the host, which is how people have been testing it.
>>52931242
>His adblocker is detected
>>52931256
that and shitware like spybot antibeacon shouldn't be needed, the software is inherently untrustworthy
>>52931327
Of course it is. My work laptop running domain-managed 8.1 is the only Windows machine I allow inside my firewall anymore.
>>52927161
Hitler eventually killed himself, give him some credit
>>52926656
>forbes
![[HorribleSubs] Nurse Witch Komugi-chan R - 01 [720p].mkv_snapshot_11.03_[2016.02.02_21.49.01].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/OnJiTAW.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Nurse Witch Komugi-chan R - 01 [720p].mkv_snapshot_11.03_[2016.02.02_21.49.01].jpg")
Yes goy, it's all gone now, go ahead and upgrade!
>>52926656
I don't care about the Telemetry tinfoil shit. I would have rather they disable automatic updates and being able to disable windows defender.
>>52927161
>pinky toes are not very useful to most people and clumsy people sometimes stub that toe I suggest we should cut off those pinky toes so nobody will stub them again!
So what they're saying is that telemetry is currently involuntary.
So basically every win10 fag over the last year has been 100% wrong.
Not that this is news to me, but this is pretty fucking silly. This is called bait and switch.
>>52926656
>no excuse not to use windows 10 now
Yes there is. They haven't released this yet.
Once they release it, then there is no excuse.
>>52929855
it isn't a report "from" forbes.
forbes.com is merely a high-profile blogging-platform. everybody can publish their drivel on there.
>>52931547
>They haven't released the excuse of windows 10 yet
>Once they release the excuse, there is no excuse
Are they going to disable this before their free offer ends?
Gotta play muh vidya on windows.
>>52927293
Because microsoft is an NSA prism partner you dumb fuck.
>>52926656
>he trusts the botnet
>he trusts the company who created the botnet
>>52926656
>TELEMETRY CAN BE DISABLED
Could eventually become possible to be turned off.
>no excuse not to use windows 10 now
In the future, when these rumours are confirmed and MS don't pull some other stunt in the mean time.
>>52929574
>filename
My sides
Call me when they turn off shit like having two control panels next
>>52929574
HOW
>>52929829
> what is port mirroring on switches?
Just mirror the port you connect your W10 machine on the switch and attach your sniffer to the mirrored port.
Heck even a fucking hub could do the same thing
>>52931344
Underrated post
Also checked
>>52926656
>no excuse not to use windows 10 now
Forced to accept all updates eventually still if you want to be allowed to get security updates in the future.
>>52927161
>Thinks XP was shit
Awful bait, Microsoft for a while was very about user control and they fully supported power users, IT professionals, and those who wanted to learn about computing. Doing so made their user base swell. The company however in recent years since around the Windows 8 era has taken a shift in the opposite direction against these groups, the first indicator of this was them killing technet.
While Microsoft still has great documentation for it's products (excluding things like their CRM products which are locked behind a paywall) the documentation has been becoming less and less clear, especially when it comes to the contents of updates. At least the professional tools they offer like the SysInternals Suite, EMET, and others are still around I guess. Wouldn't be shocked if they start charging for these eventually though considering how anti-user they have gotten. All of this can be blamed on their new CEO and his cloud obsession.
>>52929903
>Government systems are in worse shape than a company like fucking microsoft
Hey, remember when Sony kept 50 million users' banking data in plain text?
>>52932333
They can't it can only sniff out pen drives, hard drives, etc. The dog is so they can find all technological devices when executing a search warrant. The headline of the article is garbage is all.
>>52926656
>no excuse not to use windows 10 now
I don't want a shitty, slow, unconfigurable os.
Also:
>YOU CAN DISABLE IT NOW GUYS! NOW IT WORKS FOR REAL!
No they won't. They lied several times, they will always be liars. Stop shilling.
>>52926656
the telemetry disable button program in question:int main(void)
{
printf("Telemetry is disabled lol\n");
return 0;
}
>>52927087
>2016, not knowing that tcpdump also supports UDP
>>52927161
Windows 7 is the reason I started using Linux because Microsoft won't let me control my own computer anymore. They are just sucking steve jobs' dick and trying to be like Apple and it fails. You can't have facism without a charismatic figure like steve jobs that make you want to control you. just a faceless corporation trying to step on me with the heel of fachism is not very sexy.
>>52929382
>Ok first of all, they don't publish your data, and they don't 'troll through' your email to see whatever porn sites you're registered to.
Yes they do. Due to CISA it is legal for them to sell ALL your information (including stuff like social security number, passwords, credit card numbers and what ever "information the user provide by using the company services" without informing you or asking for your permission. they can sell it to other companies, the government or even criminals without having responsability for what happens with the information. Why would they avoid a legally safe way to get income? It's a company and not a charity. It is of course good for marketing to pretend they DON'T do that, but because they don't legally have to ask for permission they can keep this secret.
this is what happens when the supreme court judges the NSA to be breaking the 4th amendment. They have to use corporations because the 4th amendment only apply to the state
>>52929940
Not that anon but I think online companies cant store all the credit card info, look up Steam's varnish cache, that was displaying private user info to everyone but no passwords and cc info
>>52932826
>Not that anon but I think online companies cant store all the credit card info
They CAN, If steam don't then it's just a security feature. They COULD store and collect that information legally.
>>52928903
What's teh problem, just disable automatic updates OH WAIT YOU FUCKING CAN'T
>>52926656
Holy shit, freetards. This is the end once it happens.
You literally have nothing left you could shill Linux with.
>no games
>no commercial software
>full featured DEs like KDE or GNOME are slower and buggier then Windows
>unstable
>you'll earn yourself a special NSA marker once you connect to the Internet because actual terrorists use Linux
Suicide should absolutely an option for you fellas.
>>52926656
>later this year
>now
>>52933114
but can you stably run windows 10 on low end hardware?
no
last time i checked, stock windows 10 uses about a gigabyte of ram minimum
>>52926656
>muh games
gtfo of here nigger
There is no reason to run pleb OS
>>52933135
never: >>52929855
>>52926656
>mfw i can jew out Win10 pro from my uni
>>52933114
kde and gnome are only slower than windows if you configure it that way.
Bugs are present in all software, nothing is idiot proof. KDE developers are not concerned with ironing out bugs, as it is more fun to make new features, so obviously they will have more bugs than other systems.
KDE is really what you make of it.
But the gems they spit out is usable on all desktops.
So if you want something faster, use that.
I don't really see how people being able to work on the system people use is a proof of how bad linux is.
>>52926656
I highly doubt these options will disable everything, including future telemetry features
You just can't trust microsoft, they lie like this constantly.
>>52933324
There is no point in bringing trash into the light
linux is bad, just accept that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFR7C6peQhY
>>52933158
after a while my win 10 install will idle at 3 gigs used
>>52932641
What can you not control in 7? Did you by any chance upgrade from XP and think 'oh no lots of settings are in different places now I can't change anything!'. I'm pretty sure once you know how to use it, it gives you more control.
Though of course, I'm not encouraging you to go back to Windows if you've been already using Linux for a while.
>>52933114
Linux had, has and will have its niche. It's open-source, something Microsoft will never be able to achieve.
>>52933497
Different projects have different priorities.
Not prioritizing support for mounting a non existant floppy disk in a modern desktop is hardly a real issue.
The error message makes sense. You get the command it was trying to run and the reason it failed, you do not have a disk inserted.
Multiple instances could easily be fixed by checking if it is running, but again, nobody cares.
Mint 17.3 was released in 2015.
I haven't seen a floppy disk since 2008 and even then it was pretty rare to see them being used for anything other than the "save" icon on applications.
Who the fuck uses floppy disks in 2015?
Not the same people who mint is targeted towards.
>>52926656
>TELEMETRY CAN BE DISABLED
>guys guys, we will only capture your keystrokes during the beta testphase of windows 10
>guys, we promis to turn this off once windows 10 is released
>lol joke, we will keep it oh and we added some other usefull features, hope you like it ! ;)
Yeah right. I'll believe that once someone sat down and monitored the activity of windows 10 for an extended period of time.
It's good news.
I might even switch to 10 when independent tests confirm the telemetry and forced updates are gone.
>>52933618
why though?
tell me rajesh, why would they suddenly allow to disable it completely? did the NSA stop paying them?
>>52933626
I switched to Vista because I liked windows borders graphics, switched to 7 because I liked new taskbar. Honestly no real reason to switch to 10 right now. The only thing I might want is revamped minor tools like process manager. But I won't switch until there's a way to have Aero on 10, also.
Now if they can only figure out how to put their own computer to sleep.
take the poo
too the loo
>>52933497
>I am being retarded with my computer, this proves Linux is shit
You can deadlock any OS by starving it of resources,
>>52926656
I'll believe it when I see it.
http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-has-no-plans-to-change-windows-10-consumer-privacy-settings/
Microsoft denies it. OP is a fag.
>>52933114
>if you don't want to be identified, use Windows and Firefox or Chrome with no extensions
>also don't disable Javascript :^)))
>and use Tor to top it off!
You can't fool me, faggot.
>>52929892
now that's just lazy
>>52927087
tcp dumps all ethernet frames dumbass
>>52934178
>tcp is udp now
Never change /g/.
It's okay guys I installed Linux I'm free now. I can still use 4chan, Google, Facebook, etc. They can't track me. :)
>>52934198
Who are you quoting?
>>52927306
There are alternatives to windows for people who don't like it.
>>52931547
true, no excuses; only reasons
>>52934201
>using only one search engine
>using Facebook
You don't belong here
>>52929855
>Ed Bott
>Bodd et
>botnet
>>52934418
Kek
>mfw I've had all the Spying disabled since day 1
>>52929574
>That article's title
How many of these winfags in full damage control mode threads are you going to make Pajeet?
PLEASE VULKAN COME SOON
I'M TIRED OF MICROSHIT
PLEASE
>>52926656
>trusting anything that is claimed as a working function in a proprietary solution
Fuckoff you stupid cuck
>>52940402
It's not like you would be able to audit the code of something so complicated in the first place. Just like auditing Linux code allows glaring security holes to go unnoticed for decades
But just like fuckingxclockwork, anything and everything microsoft does mentally unstable suicidal Linux shills like yourself will complain
>>52940424
>Just like auditing Linux code allows glaring security holes to go unnoticed for decades
>It's le so complex that no one can audit it
>if I can't audit it, it doesn't matter whether the source code is visible or not
That's not how it works retard. Even with microsoft spaghettii code auditing is possible and it is fairly easy to see the larger functions of a program.
>Just like auditing Linux code allows glaring security holes to go unnoticed for decades
Yeah, because microshit is so much better. There is no such thing as bugfree software but you would know that if you weren't a mentally retarded wincuck.
>>52934405
>missing the point
He's making fun of all the retards who say LINUX RULEZ WINDOWS IS BOTNET while unironically using shit like smartphones.
>>52933114
There are more games on Steam for linux than I will ever have time to play
>>52932826
It has your full CC info it just doesn't show it entirely on the front end.
>>52940627
>getting this angry
>>52941787
Why would I be angry? I just use the appropriate conversational style of this board and label things in an correct manner. If I called >>52940424 anything besides "mentally retarded wincuck" I would not be speaking the plain truth and that would stand out as a negative towards this great community.
>>52933114
I'll take the bait
>no games
Linux has tons of games, a lot of AAA games are getting ported due to valve's open source software
>no commercial software
There's plenty of it, must just don't use it
RHEL is one examole
>full featured DEs like KDE or GNOME are slower and buggier then Windows
I'll give you KDE being buggy, but GNOME in my experience has never given me a issue or be slow
>unstable
Only if you go into it not knowing what you're doing
>you'll earn yourself a special NSA marker once you connect to the Internet because actual terrorists use Linux
There's no evidence to support this
>>52936566
>that's what they want you to think
>>52939216
What is stopping you from upgrading to WIndows 10 today?
>>52927293
Maybe we should just go back to having pro versions being for people who wanna know their shit and home versions for idiots.
>>52928665
Trusting any American company is pretty stupid
>>52926656
>no excuse not to use Windows 10 now
Except for the big one. Why would I run Windows?
Why do you people
A - assume theyre lying and
B - give a fuck about data tracking
Google knows everything about you anyway
>not using Windows 10, opting into everything and turning telemetry to full
It's like you really want an inferior experience
>>52926656
Goddamn Forbes anti ad-blocking...
But I guess not being able to view the site is a blessing in disguise.
>>52926656
What about disabling updates?
Are they going to allow users to do that?
>>52947381
you don't have a say about it
only if you have your computer disconnected from the internet
