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Other business laptops are also welcome in /tpg/ (e.g. Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook).
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If you're looking for purchase advice, READ THE BUYERS GUIDE FIRST. Then post, stating budget and requirements (e.g. size and performance).
Don't buy anything OTHER THAN T, X AND W/P SERIES if you want the Real ThinkPad Experience™
Recommended models:
T420 - 14", normal size
X220 - 12.5", lightweight
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Why ThinkPad? (also applies to other business laptops)
>They’re really cheap when you buy a used one.
>Keyboards feel excellent while typing (yes, even the newer ones).
>Great durability thanks to the inclusion of rollcages and use of glass fiber reinforced plastic for the chassis. The keyboard is splash proof and spilled liquids will drain out.
>Utilitarian design - e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models.
>Docking solutions that easily turns your laptop into a desktop.
>Easy to repair, upgrade and maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for almost every model. Spare parts are easy and cheap to obtain.
>The best trackpoint (that red thing on the middle of the keyboard). Great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad.
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support.
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Used ThinkPad Buyers Guide:
http://ktgee.net/tpg
EPP discount for new ThinkPads (USA & Canada only, usually 15%+ off):
http://pastebin.com/wumE7L2f
ThinkWiki - Info on ThinkPads and running GNU/Linux on them:
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki
ThinkPad service guides w/ tutorial videos:
https://www.lenovoservicetraining.com/
I love my T410 i got on ebay, the battery that came with it is fucked though. Any suggestions if i should go OEM from lenovo or some extended battery?
>>52904620
https://support.lenovo.com/en/documents/hf004122
https://lenovobattery2014.orderz.com/
Do you feel lucky?
>>52904643
I feel very lucky thanks anon
>>52904613
Battery tiers:
>FREE BATTERY IF ELIGIBLE - https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/documents/hf004122
>New geunine lenovo - most expensive but more durable and dependable compared to the chinese counterparts. If money is no object, buy new.
>Used/refurbished genuine Lenovo - on a budget, these have all the benefits of new batteries, just with some wear. Only buy used batteries from sellers that will screencap battery stats so you know what you're getting. Usually price is on-par with high quality third party batteries.
>High quality 3rd party battery - anker & denaq both use jap/korean 18650 cells and are thus known to wear well. Worth considering at this price point. Some models (XX30 and up) will not charge 3rd party batteries, so avoid outright.
>New chinese batteries - reviews are mixed but most use sub-par cells and electronics. They may die unexpectedly or wear much faster than genuine lenovo batteries. Others seem to work fine. There are a million brands and batches out there, so there's no way to tell which is better than another, if they are.
>used chinese or unknown capacity used lenovo - reconsider your life choices that led you to this destitute position
This is copypasta in progress. All anons encouraged to make recommendations/corrections.
The guide is outdated... Severely
Gonna sell my IPS T430 soon, just got a nice backlit keyboard.
Just needs Windows 7 to be installed
>as if anyone wants rinux
>>52905313
>used HP and Dell buyers guide last updated in Nov and Dec 2014 respectively
Thinkfags can't seriously defend 1366x768, can they?
>>52905423
>implying fhd thinkpads dont exist
>>52904599
So apparently the fhd mod works better with the T420s vs the T420. Since I'm not sure if I'll immediately hate the stock 900p I was going it some time before upgrading. But, are the physical features of the T420 a large enough improvement over the T420s to warrant getting the T420 first regardless and dealing with the headache of upgrading the panel later?
I still think 1600x900 is ideal for 100% dpi at 14 inches but colour accuracy and range are also important. I would get the X1 TN 900p panel but it'll cost me $200 CAD for the panel, not to mention the cables. Somehow the 1080p T440s panel is cheaper here.
>>52905423
No, no one could.
My machines have been X61T SXGA+ or W700ds WUXGA.
Enthusiasts have complained about Lenovo hindering screen options.
2001 had the A22p, a UXGA 15" machine, the A30p had started the IPS display.
T23 had a SXGA+ optional screen, as well as a T30 can be fitted to one also.
T40p has had IPS SXGA+ and UXGA options, up until the T60p. T61 we lost the 4:3 display, Z61p had still had WUXGA screens, but when it came to 14" widescreen machines, nothing better than WXGA+ was available, pitiful as WSXGA+ is beautiful to see.
Although I did have a 4K screen on my X1C3 when I had it, it was a bit too hard core to be honest. FHD on the T430s is pretty good, I think 2K will be the sweet spot on this, as the 3:2 Pixel was almost perfect for me.
>>52905639
I haven't had a T420s but had T420, T430, T430s and the non 's' models are pretty damn strong compared to the slim units.
X1C is too flimsy to me, though I'd say the X300 feels much more durable than the 's' models, but thats because its an X series.
>>52905700
>strong compared to the slim units
So did I unknowingly fuck up with the T450s? I was under the impression that it was the exact same thing as the T450 with a different lid.
>>52905487
I was talking about the faggots that use one with 768p, which is obviously you since you reacted with such butthurt and wrote that reply before even fully reading the statement because tears were blinding your vision.
Nigger.
>>52905639
The only bad things I've heard about the T420s compared to non-s is that it has worse battery life and the battery cells are harder to replace since they use the skinny square kind.
>>52905765
Nah, trust me, its a lot better than the X1C.
I havent had a T/X series since the haslel chips so I cannot comment how they actually feel to other units
>not as badass as a 14" T60 or R61
The frame is a bit thinner, battery is a different design (I think) and are placed elsewhere on the bottom than behind like all other units and probably has less cooling performance than the regular model.
IMO the base models are pretty shitty spec, either get 's' or 'p' variants.
T430s plays League pretty well under linux. :)
Times are hard when you have to put a bloody resolution in the filter list.
We get it. It's terrible. I even agree. Now fuck off.
>>52905700
>>52905850
Thanks, I think I'll give the local listings a few more days then grab the best deal I can find for the T420. I'm also really hoping the stock 900p panel is good enough for me.
>>52905854
I'm actually pretty sure that the t450 has the same battery design as the S . And it may even have the same bottom chassis.
This is why I don't think the t460_no_s will suddenly have a removable battery, if they even bother releasing it.
>>52905933
Eh if not the screens aren't that expensive to track down, oh and the LCD cable too for it :x
IMO you could get an IPS X220 for just a little bit more if needed.
Hello ThinkPad thread!
I have now decided to upgrade my x230t to used Dell XPS 13 9434 w/ i7-5600u
Pretty much only reason was to get better screen.
Did i do good?
i love my x200.
it's so great, just don't like having to use the dock for the second drive, but it's ok when i am not moving.
before you say anything, wanted libreboot compat. so newer x-series wouldn't cut it.
W520
i7-2720QM
8 GB RAM
900p
Quadro 1000M
240 Gb SSD
630€
Am I fking up?
>>52906490
You now have a laptop with a completely different featureset, and a better screen
Do the x220 / t420 have 240,204,200 pin RAM?
>>52906640
They use normal laptop RAM.
Which would be DDR3 SO-DIMM 204-pin
>>52906596
Worth paying 300 extra euros over a x230/t430s with i7? http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-3520M-vs-Intel-Core-i7-2720QM
is this an okay deal?
x220
2.6ghz 8gb ram 250hdd tn panel
200 dollars
>>52906596
yeah that's way too much
>>52906839
not to mention you can swap the cpu in T-series for the quad-core if it is really necessary
You can get a run of the mill T420 with an i5-2520m for pennies and pick up a i7-2720QM and throw it in it.
>>52906880
Depends on the condition of the laptop and what battery/condition of the battery. Pretty average or fair price otherwise.
If I could get either an X200 with 4GB ram or a T400 with 2Gb of ram, would the extra ram be worth it if the battery life is worse?
my t420 is making a high pitched "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" noise what the fuck. why did i fall for this meme
>>52907463
turn off power management in the bios
>>52907463
mine done it before i flashed a custom bios.
>>52907401
neither, they are too old now.
>>52907401
you could always put more RAM in the t400.
T61p (6457-5FG)
>RAM: 4.0 GB
>HDD: 320 GB (uppgraderad från 80 GB)
>2.40 GHz
>Windows 10
>15.4" XGA 1920*1200
>DVD/CD drive
>4 cell battery
$139 as of now (auction neds in 4 days)
or
X61s + X6 UltraBase dockingstation
>12.1"
>RAM: 2GB
>1.6 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo Processor
>HDD: 160GB
>Windows XP
>No trackpad
No price yet (auction just started)
or
T420 (4180-PBG)
>Windows 7 Ultimate
>Upgraded, controlled, reconditioned and cleaned by a professional
>14.1" 1366x768 (bleh)
>RAM: 8GB
>Intel HD Graphics 3000
>HDD: 500GB
>DVD-RW/CD-RW
$382 as of now (auction ends in 3 days)
I'm a student going into CE. What model of T or X series should I go for? Disregard budget for now.
>>52907724
T420
>>52907713
that T420 is well over priced, one like that should be $230 max, and the other 2 are far too old to be useful.
>>52907463
This >>52907501 worked for me on a T60. It keeps the CPU from going into deep sleep during idle, but it stops the noise.
>>52907776
Well it's upgraded so I wouldn't have to replace the panel with a better one.
Pic related.
There's also a T420 for $298
>RAM: 4GB
>SSD: 160GB Intel
>Big battery
>DVD±RW
>Intel HD Graphics 3000
The cheapest on the site I'm on (local so shipping only takes 1 day).
>>52907713
They are worth $100, $80, and $200 respectively at most. I bought an almost identical T420 less than six months ago for under $200.
>>52907713
If that T61p isn't dated 8/08 or later, avoid. It's right on the cusp of "modern" usefulness but still could be an everyday beater if you don't mind the lack of battery life.
x61s's processor is a bit slow. Unless your needs are modest, I'd avoid. You'll probably need more RAM. Literally who cares about the OS, surely you'll pirate or install Linux, right?
T420 is way too expensive.
keep looking
>muh masterrace
>16GB RAM
>Masterrace Build Quality
>Dati7
>Best screen in ever
>>52907835
you said it has a 1366x768 panel and that screen is fucking terrible, and it better have at least a 240gb SSD.
>>52907868
Yeah but you probably bought it from Ebay, right?
Prices are always higher here.
And it doesn't look like there are any good deals on Ebay for a T420 with an upgraded panel and in good condition.
>>52907888
if you don't buy it on ebay you're fucking up, as shops over charge and fuck you over.
>>52907724
P50
>>52907879
>quality
>>52907888
720p is not much different than the 900p screen, nothing to write home about compared to IPS displays
Where is 'here'?
>>52907879
You forgot
>Horrible fucking keyboard
>Disgusting OSX font rendering
>Getting jewed into paying 50% unnecessary markup
>>52907917
i just done the screen upgrade and it's a massive upgrade in real estate.
>>52907888
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-Thinkpad-T420-Laptop-Core-i5-DC-2520M-2-5GHz-160GB-4GB-w-Win-7-Pro-/361403237168?hash=item54254fc330:g:prsAAOSwPc9Wulck
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-Thinkpad-T420-Core-i5-2540M-2-60GHz-4GB-640GB-Webcam-14-Laptop-/371548518104?hash=item56820476d8:g:ZgQAAOSwX~dWmpW8
Those were in the first five results of searching ebay for "thinkpad t420". I'm not saying you should get them, but it isn't that hard to search for shit.
>>52907876
>surely you'll pirate or install Linux, right?
I want Win7 on my Thinkpad because I want to make music on it (so I really want the T520 or the W520, but those prices...), but I plan on checking out a couple of distros, hopefully find one that I like and dualboot into it
>T420 is way too expensive.
Cheapest I can find in my country is >>52907835
>>52907884
>you said it has a 1366x768 panel
You're right, I did.
Sorry, it's late.
>>52907906
This isn't a shop though, it's an auction site.
>>52907917
Sweden.
>>52907959
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-Thinkpad-T420-Core-i5-2540M-2-60GHz-4GB-640GB-Webcam-14-Laptop-/371548518104?hash=item56820476d8:g:ZgQAAOSwX~dWmpW8
This one seems nice, though I'd have to get another keyboard.
Just checked and there's a German one with 8GB of RAM, 16GB SSD and with a 1600x900 panel for $150 (auction ending in 17 hours).
So now I got 2 choices.
Buy the $102 one + new keyboard or the $150 one.
>>52908035
Whats wrong with the keyboard on that one?
>>52908347
It's not nordic.
Do you guys think hearthstone will run on a T400 or T420? I need to buy a cheap laptop for school and being able to play hearthstone on it especially on boring lectures would be a plus.
>>52908538
Pay attention in school, even in boring lectures.
Trust me.
>>52908538
T420 should be able to handle it without a problem. Don't know about the T400.
>>52908575
This. Damn. T-this.
What OS do you guys run on your Thinkpad(s)?
Just regular Ubuntu on mine.
>>52909007
Ubuntu and win10 for my gaymen
>>52909007
Mint on my T601F and X220. Win7 on my T420.
How do i clean my x230 top? do you guys just let the smudges and scratches add up?
>>52909007
A somewhat riced debian
>>52909007
Debian
>>52909007
Mint while I learn how to use Arch properly
>>52909007
Slackware-current
The one true Unix.
>>52909145
What model?
X220T owner here, I've noticed that in the past year or so my laptop has been overheating quite a bit and my fan seems to be pretty shit. I've gotten a cooling pad for it but what else should I do to help cool it down? Should I look at getting a new fan, or repaste the processor or something?
>>52909194
it's only in the screencap like 15 times or so. i'm having my first hardware issue, the fucking power cord doesn't connect well. not sure if i have to replace the dc cable or not. i'm hoping i don't but at the same time i would love to get drunk and take this bitch apart.
>>52909190
Mah nigga.
>>52909227
What makes you think the fan is shit?
>>52909227
open it up and clean it, if that doesn't help then try new paste, if that doesn't help try new fan(s)
>>52909250
The fact that it's small as fuck and my computer seems to run at 60C+ even when I'm only watching Youtube videos
>>52909239
Ah, sorry.
Does Ubuntu run well on the tablet Thinkpads? I have a X60 tablet and want to run Ubuntu on it, specifically to use the tablet function. I ask because I have problems with the new intuos tables working with my Ubuntu partition on my Dell and online support for these type of things are rare.
>>52909007
Debian testing on my x230 and T601F
>>52909007
ubuntu gnome on my x200
>>52909255
What's the best way to clean it, compressed air can?
>>52910659
that's basic computer maintenance anon.
unless you want to blow on it, and get spit all over the insides.
>>52910654
>gnome on my x200
It's a nice, smug feeling seeing someone run the same environment on the same hardware as myself.
I'm on Fedora, though.
Just bought a T420S with the 2520 and 12 gb RAM for 175. Got it in a pinch because I needed one for school and my other lenovo just shat on me
>>52910707
yeah i was on fedora last, but i got a new ssd recently and decided to go this route on the install.
>>52904599
Is the X260 a pile of shit? Why are Lenovo such fuck ups?
I may need to get a laptop soon I don't know what to get
Is getting a Latitude 14 right now memeworthy?
I would like to use it for video and audio editing.
Is a dual core i7 with discreet graphics adequate? Or is a Quad core i5/i7 with Intel HD 530 alright?
It seems I have a choice between:
a Latitude 14 with a i7-6820HQ (Quad Core, 2.7GHz, 8M cache, 45W) vPro using Intel HD 530 to render graphics
or a Latitude 14 with a i7-6600 Dual Core processor and AMD Radeon™ R7 M360.
Which is the better bet?
>>52910781
>memeworthy
what does that even mean?
>>52910802
I mean, is it a bad idea? Memeworthy like "I'm acting like a typical Latitude fanboy"
>>52910903
that makes sense i suppose.
anyway, can't help you with your problem, just was curious of that.
Is there a way to check the battery condition of a laptop if I can test it out before i buy it? There's a T420s with the ultrabay battery going for cheap near me but if I have to replace both batteries it becomes a lot more expensive
>>52911227
Adding on to this, what are the essential things to test/look for when I check out the laptop
>>52905313
But anon, don't you know that running windows on a ThinkPad is a sin?
>>52911227
if you have physical access to the machine, load your live linux distro of choice and check the battery info either in /proc or /sysbash-4.3$ cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state
present: yes
capacity state: ok
charging state: discharging
present rate: 18945 mW
remaining capacity: 64760 mWh
present voltage: 12223 mV
bash-4.3$ cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/info
present: yes
design capacity: 68040 mWh
last full capacity: 62390 mWh
battery technology: rechargeable
design voltage: 10800 mV
design capacity warning: 3119 mWh
design capacity low: 200 mWh
cycle count: 0
capacity granularity 1: 1 mWh
capacity granularity 2: 1 mWh
model number: COMPATIBLE
serial number: 3850
battery type: LION
OEM info: SANYO
>>52911445
this is a replacement battery i bought, the one that was sold with the computer had a reported "design capacity" of ~5200 mAh but wouldn't charge past ~1500. however, almost all battery status monitors just take whatever the last full capacity was to be "100%" so you never actually how much power you have unless you make your own battery monitoring script that reports capacity and rate in absolute units instead of relative percentages.
>>52904599
Just bought a T420 today for $179.99+Tax. Working great so far.
For those of you in Maryland, you may be interested in checking out GeekFurb; they have hundreds of ThinkPads in stock.
>>52911600
>>52911445
Thanks. Do you mean that in the output you posted, the last full capacity may not have actually been to 62390 mWh if that battery was worn? Because it would be sweet to just calculate what the full capacity should be for the batteries and check the last full capacity in person.
I get to upgrade muh ram tomorrow on my first thinkpad. Wish me luck folks!!!
>>52911906
I'm not going to wish you luck because that really doesn't require it. Have fun, though.
>>52911790
The design capacity is what in theory the capacity should be on a brand new battery. The last full capacity is what the capacity was the last time that the battery reported itself "full", which usually is less than the design capacity. I have noticed that within the first year, maximum charge drops by 5-10%. If it's an old computer that has been used a lot, chances are the battery is completely shot.You can generally trust the value. Alternatively, charge it until it won't charge anymore and look at the "remaining capacity" value in state.
I have used absolute unit battery monitoring on three laptops now, 5 batteries total. It is great because not only do you see exactly how much charge the battery has, you also see exactly how much you're using and how things like backlight, usb, wifi, and frequency throttling affect your power consumption. I've run my X200 on under 10 W on a 12 hour flight just reading ebooks, listening to music, and playing adom.
If you don't have a /proc/acpi/battery (often the case on "newer", "edgy" distros), you can find most of the same info under /sys but the path is going to be long and convoluted (on my system, it's /sys/bus/acpi/drivers/battery/PNP0C0A:00/power_supply/BAT0/).
>>52912141
I see, thank you. Also, the ultrabay battery will probably be BAT1 right? Though I guess it should return both of them if I don't specify. I'll be live booting Debian which I think will have it under /sys/class/power_supply/
>>52912141
>>52912273
Actually, the acpi returns much easier to read values. What's a quick distro you can recommend live booting for acpi?
Trying to get my friend to get one of these for shit posting and pron, what's a few good reasons why older models are better than newer.
>>52909070
ANYONE?, don't tell me you guys all walk around with scratched up thinkpads
>>52912434
4:1 distilled water/alcohol
>>52912328
Try an old-ish version of Slax (Slackware-based), or Porteus (newish successor). Slackware is great about keeping old and useful things around after all the kiddie distros throw them away.
/proc/acpi returns values that are easier to read if you cat them but /sys returns raw numbers which are easier to use in scripts and such.
>>52912273
BAT0 and BAT1 (if you have a BAT1) will be separate directories, each with their own info and state.
If you enjoy this kind of tinkering, you should dig around in /proc/acpi (or /sys/class) because you can find all sorts of fun hardware monitor things there
>>52905423
>look mom i posted it again :^)
>>52912434
magic eraser the whole lid
>>52907879
>everything is hotsnotted and soldered together, forget about upgrading trying to replace a battery.
>trying to fix it when its broken results in tears
>forced to use close source bullshit that apple shoves up your ass
>only one usb port that serves as a charging port as well meaning you have no connectivity
>screens are known to have problems with lamination and becoming fucked up
Using Apple products is like a warning for people not to talk to you since you clearly are that special tech illiterate kid.
>>52904599
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X230-i7-3520M-2-9GHz-8GB-RAM-320GB-HDD-1366x768-/121884985057?hash=item1c60e946e1:g:LbsAAOSwXshWsxqx
Would you guys consider that a good deal? I've bid on it and it looks like im gonna win it, thinking of installing Ubunu or Mint if I get it.
>>52912434
The lid tends to be as dry as a bucket of sand when its new. I rubbed mine in with vaseline and it doesn't even leave half as many marks anymore.
>>52912962
Looks good to me.
>>52909227
Repaste, I did the same on my x230. Worked miracles for me, laptop suddenly ran 20c cooler and the fan actually turns off in low power mode.
The cooling paste that 99% of laptop manufacturers use might as wel be chewing gum and has completely lost its conductive capability after 2 years.
>>52912962
>$386 for a 768p laptop with that keyboard
Well, I wouldn't do it.
I might get a T61 for free after a company my friend used to work for threw away a bunch of them. I don't have a laptop for school currently, how well would it fit for that? Does Ubuntu run fine or do I have to install something lighter?
I have been thinking alot about replacing my x200s WXGA+ with a newer model since the CPU isnt really that great for programming and surfing with lots of tabs any more.
I also want to play some games while visiting my parents or travelling so it will probably come down to a **30-series.
The x230 would be the perfect solution if it werent for the low resolution screen so I am leaning towards the t430 with 900p and (in future) the option for FHD. However I am that guy that ALWAYS has a laptop around (I need a keyboard, I hate smartphones and tablets), be it in university, travelling for more than a day or just being outside for a longer period of time. A lot of times I will move with my laptop in my hand, give it to other people or use it in crowded/ small spaces (in most lectures I can barely fit my x200s and an A4 paper on the table).
The x240 is no option either seeing that it is nearly double the cost of the **30-series here and I dont like the overall design and the issues coming with it.
Help a newfag out /g/.
I've always just bought the cheapest laptop, but now my business has taken off, I want a solid laptop with good specs(enough to play low tier games and 1080p videos).
Is a thinkpad for me? I remember using one at work ages ago and it seemed like a good deal.
>>52915543
Personally I don't find the resolution so bad, especially for its size and portability. You could also go with a t430s to slim it down a little tho
Would an X201 suffice for programming and web browsing?
>>52915892
yes, thats what im using right now, and its brilliant.
>>52916108
Nice, I was originally going to get a X200 for 120€ but someone just put up a X201 for 149€, but it was marked as X200.
How is the batterylife on it ?
>>52916163
I got a new 9 cell battery, and i can get around 8 hours of browsing easy. I've never tried to push the battery to its limits, but i thing 10 hours could be possible, in theory.
Also the keyboard is heaven.
>>52916180
It does look like max comfy. What OS are you running?
>>52916220
Windows 7 pro, which i use ocasionally for work, and linux mint.
Mint works perfectly on the x201, but windows 7 needs some fine tuning to stop it from draining the battery.
>>52916246
I was gonna install either Ubuntu or Mint before going deeper into Linux. I've heard Mint is outdated, is there truth to that ?
Any recommended distros to a almost first time linux user?
I have the choice between those thinkpads, which one should I choose?
X200s, 190$
T500, 235$
T400, 250$
W500, 280$
T410s, 340$
T510, 430$
>>52916279
Im a newbe at linux, and im using mint as a bridge distro until i can handle arch.
For me mint is good enough
>>52916283
What are you gonna use it for? The X is a small model for travel and W is big and heavy meant for desktop replacement so you cant really compare them.
>>52916283
Depends on what your use cases are, and where you priorities lie.
I'd probably go with the X200s.
>>52916312
You could give Chakra a try
>>52916389
>>52916399
Mainly for programming and running linux.
Those are all the Thinkpads a store near me is selling, didnt want to compare them.
>>52916418
Are you planning on taking it with a lot? Then the W-series might be too heavy. You really should check eBay or what ever your country has, it's much cheaper to buy used.
>>52916418
Is it programming on the go, or will it stay at home?
Do you want to also watch youtube videos on it? Do you run a lightweight linux distro?
How much does screen size matter to you? Is having a small computer worth having a 12" screen?
>>52916405
Chakra looks really interesting, how hard is it to configure and get running for a first timer?
>>52916457
>>52916445
Would be everyday carry. Screensize is not very important. I think about trying Mint first and when I am more comfortable with linux I want to try some other distros. And for youtube, as long as I can watch through mpv with the youtube plugin im fine.
The laptops the shop is selling are all business used and refurbished with warrenty.
>>52916480
Well, not hard at all really. First and only Linux distro I've ever tried and I managed just fine.
My x220 came with this plastic film on the mobo, what purpouse it has? (I'd have to peel it off, since i can't really acces the heatsink)
>>52916844
Nvm, i'm a retard
>>52910781
Definitely the quad core, even HD 520 graphics are as fast as the R7 M360. Get the quad core.
what are the problems that new, lenovo made thinkpads ahve and the old ibm ones dont? is it worth to buy a lenovo thinkpad or shall i go with used ibm?
>>52917559
New ones have better performance than the old ones, but the old ones have more soul (awful keyboard layout vs classic and good layout).
Easier to replace things yourself on the old ones as well, like the keyboard and panel.
>>52917630
sad thing is, the new keyboards have better feel
one step fowards two steps back
I've just received the T420 that I've ordered for my stepmother, /tpg/. It came with the basic specs:
>i5-2520M, 2.5 GHz
>4GB RAM
>768p screen
-The machine is in excellent condition (no scratches or anything, you can see on the top that it has been used but only by little), refurbished by a professional company
-has my language's keyboard, and is brand new (it was an absolute requirement),
-and has a brand new battery.
I've bought it with a 120GB SSD drive (Kingston SSDNow V300) instead of the HDD. The DVD drive is required, since she often uses her dvds and cds.
The machine cost 300$ (27% tax included). Did I do good /tpg/? Before judging me, let me tell you that it's rare to have a machine like this in country which has my native language's keyboard, and has a brand new battery. Btw I know the screen is shit, but it's good enough for work / browsing the web / watching some YT videos imo.
>>52917761
I prefer the feel of the old ones.
>>52917771
t61 era and older had excellent keyboards
t400-t420 era had crappy keyboards that flex
https://youtu.be/doEZMNXz1JY?t=82
>>52917765
>buy a cheap t420
>buy a qwertz keyboard
>fit it yourself
'refurbished by a professional company' means fucking nothing
>>52916283
190 for a x200s is way too much. I bought an a grade x200s for 100 euros on ebay in a buy now auction and EU is notoriously expensive compared to the US.
>>52917841
The advantage refurbished has in holland (no idea elsewhere) is that you have 6 months warranty and a spotless thinkpad. Considering you generally pay 5% more compared to 2nd hand dodgy condition from Marktplaats (dutch ebay) it is definitely worth it.
I buy my thinkpads on ebay so I generally get them much cheaper. For some reason ebay isnt popular in holland (apparently people like being scammed here) so I can understand some people choosing refurb.
so like, is the thinkpad really splash proof?
>>52918044
It's "pour water on it for half a minute" proof.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7cvi00OZDM
But I don't recommend using it under water.
>>52918028
yup, same here. 6 months warranty and a spotless thinkpad.
>>52918028
>>52918263
I bought one last week a t420 from a supplier of http://approvedselection.com/nl/
Almost mint condition, new keyboard, 1 year warranty. It cost a little more, but I'm assured I get a good product.
>>52912509
>>52912627
Thanks again. I've messed around a bit with the stats on my own laptop (its a year old xps 13, already reporting ~94% capacity ;_;) and I look forward to testing the Thinkpad tomorrow
>>52918028
Knowledge like this is why foreigners should announce themselves when asking about prices (if they do at all, which they shouldn't - do your own research). It varies greatly from place to place.
That way your fellow countrymen can comment intelligently on what the general market price is there and hopefully Americans will be smart enough to keep their mouths shut. We all know that prices are retarded most everywhere else for Thinkshits.
t. American that has taken a basic economics class
>>52918147
just don't try that on the X1 as endgadget killed one a few years back when it was first announced.
>turn on X200
>doesn't POST, light up, beep, or do anything, but I can hear a very quiet buzzing sound
What seems to the be problem? I figure it might be the CPU fan, but wouldn't the laptop still boot up or give a beep code? It's not like it's getting hot.
Any idea how to disable this? I've been looking around the computer but cant find anything that can remove this
>>52918843
hotkeys
>>52918763
If the fan is stuck or otherwise not working, it would go to the BIOS splash screen and then display a "fan error" message. Try the button trick.
>>52918763
Well, I just tested it with another battery and then with AC power. It only works when plugged in.
Could this be a motherboard issue or a problem with the battery contacts? Has anyone had this problem before?
>>52918868
Try cleaning the contacts, of course. Happened to me with a T60p. Mobo lost the ability to charge batteries. It would discharge them, though.
>>52918859
I know caps lock turns it off but I'm talking about the system . Where is the program that causes that?
>>52918897
Thanks, I'll try that. It's a good machine but I'd hate to have to go through the trouble of replacing the motherboard.
>>52918928
If you can get it to come on with AC, that's good. You can plug the batteries in and look at ACPI info like the anon was talking about earlier ITT: >>52911445
My T60p would say it was charging but the remaining capacity never went up.
I fell for the T440p meme..
How much can I sell it for on Amazon? I want to replace it for a T430.
>>52909007
Arch Linux and Windows 8.1 dual boot.
Windows for school
>>52918524
94% after a year isn't that bad from my experience. or maybe i'm just terrible about battery care. what really kills them is running it to zero. also i have seen the full charge capacity fluctuate back up by small increments if you just leave it plugged forever, but it seems to happen very rarely and i might just have a terrible memory
>>52919071
Wasnt it possible to replace the keyboard and touchpad for a good one? If not, my condolences.
>>52919139
It is but the touch pad is still fucking awful.
The slightest amount of moisture from my fingers fucks it up and i have to reboot. It's fucking stupid.
>>52918480
Yeah. My first Thinkpad was a T410 that I bought from QX systems in holland. Was barely 20 euros more than a worse condition one on marktplaats. It was literally in mint condition, even the keyboard keys weren't shiny (probably a new keyboard).
It's not always worth it though, for some reason the x200s and x230 are really expensive from most dutch refurbishes.
I bought my x230 from tweakers.net though since it has seller rating that is actually good.
Just got my X220T
Looking good so far, installing Debian now.
>>52912434
I clorox wipe it.... gotta get all the germs out ya know.
>>52917765
It's pretty bad anon, i bought one last week for $65 w/ battery but has a 1600x900 screen too.
>>52919169
So did you do the swap or not?
>>52919587
An x230 i7 will run 1866 RAM and it will actually run at that speed?
If so, goddamn it. I cucked myself with 1600.
>>52907952
Oh it looks nice I agree but it's shouldn't of been the only option from Lenovo.
>>52909007
ParrotSecLinux >;3
jk, Mint and Win 7 usually.
>>52911326
Yeah but some things just work...except wifi on a clean install.
Installing Windows so I can cement my sale.
>>52909070
>pic related
Scratches gone now.
>>52916283
Those prices... Damn.
The X200s looks like the only reasonable one.
If it has the Lenovo logo on the left, chances you have the WXGA+ display. So it will sort of be worth that.
>>52920129
Why are you using a trip? Are you important?
>>52919344
but you don't live in eastern EU, I'm pretty sure about it
>>52917841
it fucking means something when you live in a shitty country, Anon-kun. Also, the interior plastic is untouched, all you can see is very minimal usage.
>>52920172
He's a known content generator, and Q&A guru that doesn't engage in cancerposting.
So, sort of. Just let it be and lurk moar.
>>52920334
There's really no excuse to be a tripfag.
>>52917559
If you really really really don't care for performance, battery life, weight or wish to use programs past 2010, get an IBM machine.
IBM ThinkPads have had their problems.
The T4x flex issues, A3x GPU problems, T23/T30 RAM holder issues, T2x Blink of Death, any Acer made iSeries or R3x/R4x machine, they've all had their problems from IBM.
Lenovo has had their problems too, namely the T61 GPU issue (Lenovo controlled support centers denied replacement, and after months they replaced just shit refurbs with the same issues. IBM maintained support found out the problem and had no questions asked returns for the most part with new GPU process and had offered mobo replacements for machines that didn't even have the issues)
Afaik the big QC/Long term problems from Lenovo:
>bad hinge design on SL500, T/W500
>speaker problems on W510 - W530, any L series prior to the L530/430
>overheat problems on W510/W520, X61 hot palmrest
>ghosting issues on Yoga models pre 2015, some X220/X230
>haslel clickpads
>X1C2 keyboard
Nitpicks
>tinny speakers on all T series
>keyboard redesign, keyboards in general
>lighter/smaller frame designs
>>52920562
Just as important not using a trip
I came from /o/, tripfag central, 4chin anonymous logic does not work with me.
But I do agree that some trips are eyesores.
>that fucking awoo fucker
wonder if i should buy a x60 to use around.
>>52919686
It works even with 2133MHz CL12 RAM.
There are just no CL12 8GB 2133MHz sticks available on the market, so I got 1866MHz RAM instead.
>>52916418
I would go for the T400 and install Libreboot on it. The X200s would only be nice if you want to be really mobile like working on trains or on busses.
>>52920129
Fuck off and stop posting your shitty ThinkPad every thread. Its disgusting.
>>52919496
No, I'm not going to swap. I'm going to sell this piece of shot and buy a T430
Are X series as resistant to drops as the T series?
Should I stay away from one that's been refurbished on ebay?
>>52920770
Awoo doesn't use a trip and he changes name every time.
I wish he did so I could filter him.
>>52920770
I think you were some beta faggot that got bullied in school so now you seek attention in a place where the point is being Anonymous. Quite sad actually
Ok bragging time! List your thinkpads
I have:
t60 w/libreboot
t400 w/libreboot
r52
x61t
365xd
>>52921116
Good to know. If I ever upgrade to 16GB I'll bump up the speed too.
>>52922462
How hard was installing libreboot on the T60? Do you need external flashing hardware or can you just boot a CD like a regular BIOS update?
I have one with Intel graphics and a SXGA+ panel and I'm considering turning it into a Freedom Machine™
Also:
T60
T60p
T601F
x230
Thinking in buying a X60 or X61T just for taking around, i3 terminals only mainly SSH + no browsing would it be enough?
>>52904599
Where is the best place to new battery for a T420? I don't know if the vender called "lenovo" is actually Lenovo on Amazon or how to tell if those batteries are new.
I got an x220t a month ago and I want to replace its hard drive with an SSD. What's a really cheap one I should get that will still make it feel snappy?
>>52923115
I got mine on ebay for $40. Genuine and new. Look for the Lenovo logo on the battery.
>>52922941
If you can live with the battery life, it'll handle that fine.
i got some thinkpads!
>>52923718
>L440
Too bad they're garbage.
>>52923263
Samsung 850 Pro is pretty nice
I'm looking for a laptop and figured I may as well go for the meme. But looking through the guide, the prices listed and actual costs on ebay or other sites like woot are quite different.
Did thinkpads go up in price for some reason? Or are those just recommended buying prices in the guide?
>>52922462
Sounds to me like you have mental illness buying all those pieces of trash
>>52923783
The prices in the guide are American prices, and they're actually a good bit above average these days. Anywhere outside of the US, used Thinkpads get much more expensive.
T420 i5 or i7?
Intel HD only or Intel HD + NVIDIA Quadro NVS 4200M?
Heard it's running quite hot with the NVIDIA graphics...
>>52923970
I've got a T420 with an i5 and 4200m, my temps max out around 80C. Surprisingly even when it's being pushed that hard, the body of the laptop stays relatively cool.
Surface Pro 4 vs ThinkPad Yoga 460?
>>52909007
Debian on my x220
>>52909190
Oh hey grandpa
>>52912434
30ml of Red Label
>>52922372
Yup, totally.
>>52921748
>implygan I'll stop
d:^)
>>52923718
Wow, thats alot, did you get those at an auction? For how much if I may ask?
>>52917765
You did well Anon. Don't bother with the Amerifags here. They're spoilt.
>>52922462
T61
X200
X220T
Found a Dell C840 at a thrift store for $5. Took it to a local shop, guy had a cable for it, booted up fine into XP, but he couldn't accept credit cards. Got home, ordered 2x512mb sticks and a power adapter. May order a battery later on once I see how well the current one holds a charge. All in all, I'm pretty excited to have a 15" shitposting machine to dick around with.
>>52909007
Debian on an X220T
Should I increase my refresh rate to 60 Hz ?
>>52909007
Mint while I learn command lines and other basic linux shit.
Am getting X201 soon and I'm either gonna install Mint or some Ubuntu. What would be the best for a first timer?
>>52925191
Mint is more user friendly if you're used to windows.
>>52925134
yes
>>52925134
why would you not
>>52924162
whatever. 14.2 is gonna drop any day now and then the whole "Slackware is old and outdated" meme can end
>>52906883
is it the same process as in this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDl3ZdPJd9U
>>52909259
Change the thermal paste, the one they put on it pretty shit, and since it's old it's probably all dried up. You should see a significant improvement after you've done it !
Two more months and I get paid, give my beloved t420 to gf and buy a t450s.
>>52925620
Will your gf like a thinkpad?
It counts.
>>52925906
>he bought a new 14-15" laptop in 2016 with a resolution of 1366x768
Holy shit anon, get it together.
What brands should I get for HDD and SSD to put in my Thinkpad?
>>52904599
How does Windows 10 run on the T420?
Just got an e460 from the Lenovo education store. Heard the e series isn't the greatest but I'll only really be using it for light programming when I'm at college, and I needed something small (14") and rather light. Is the E series really that bad? Or is it just a circlejerk? Personally I'm just glad they got rid of the horrible touch buttons on the trackpoint
>>52928169
it's the same quality laptop you'd find at best buys
What's a good price for a t430 with nvidia 5400m?
>>52920129
>>52920770
>>52905313
am I the only one who dislikes covering a thinkpad with carbon fiber?
>>52918044
they're splash resistant, not splash proof. Note the difference between the two terms.It's the reason why lelnovo hasn't been sued.
>>52928585
True niggas love chrome.
>>52928638
were those marks made during the manufacturing process?
>>52928703
Yes. Thread is here if you want to read it:
https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Photos/Titanium-Cover-on-older-thinkpads-EXPOSED/td-p/596425
>>52928638
how bad are fingerprints on that?
Does anyone use their thinkpad's fingerprint reader? Does it work well in GNU/Linux?
>>52927372
Bump. Do drivers work? etc etc
>>52929001
tried it a bit, but always had trouble signing on and doing sudo with it, so i just disabled it.
might be my sanded off fingerprints, grease, or any other thing that caused that. eh
>>52929149
Everything works well, some driver needs to be installed in compatibility more.
>>52928805
Wouldn't know, haven't done it yet, but thinking of trying it with a spare T60 with a shitty lid.
>>52929001
Works good in linux. Install frpintd and run fprintd-enroll.
>>52929149
W10 ran great on my T601F briefly when I was using it for my test machine. I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't run on a T420.
>>52929001
I use it on my X200. Works out of the box on Fedora at least. Gnome has login settings for it.
>>52928206
Have you seen the kind of shit that they're selling at Best Buy? The E series is like the poster child for durability in comparison.
>>52920600
Hardly statistical sampling, but my T42 doesn't have a single issue with it despite being horribly abused the first 6 or so years of its life, the hinges on my T400 are rock-solid after 6 1/2 years, and my W520 runs cool as a cucumber (with a repaste). I agree that the speaker design is fucking defective though, shorts out way too easily. Even after my electrical tape fix, there are still issues (occasional popping, low volume, etc). Still, point taken, IBM wasn't perfect and we should stop pretending that they were. Lenovo is merely carrying on their legacy.
Oh give me keys, clicking keys under a 1024x768 screen above
X60 for win
Let me ride through the wide open libre bios and distros that I love
X60 for win
Let me be by myself in the comfy breeze
And listen to the murmur of the heatsink fan, please
Turn iThings and richpads off forever but i tell you guise
X60 for win
Just turn me loose, let me twiddle my old nipple
Underneath the LEDs
On my case, let me wander over yonder
Till I see the stickers rise
I want to ride to the threads where thinkpad love commences
And gaze at all the posts until I lose my senses
And I can't look at macs 'cause I don't suck the benis
X60 for win
I got my T400 for 50 pounds 1 year ago and I love it, doing work on it is so comfy although all the mac fags bully me at codebar. How long is the battery life for a brand new battery for a t400? If it's a large improvement I might buy one.
>>52909259
YouTube is a lot more CPU intensive then it used to be. 60 fps VP9 is not hardware accelerated and uses about 75% cpu on my X230. There's a browser extension to force h. 264 instead which helps with the heat.
>>52930026
When I first got mine, I was able to get a good 6-7 hours from the 6-cell battery. Pretty underwhelming by today's standards, but excellent in 2009.
>>52904599
I'm trying to decide between a TP Yoga 14 and a T450s, at the moment. Is there much of a difference, because the 450s runs more expensive.
>>52930459
6 hours is much better than 2, thanks
Anyone have more ThinkPad ass shots from other anons?
>>52929617
I'm just saying the common problems, I don't mean to shill for Lenovo but it is not to say none of the IBM era machines had no problems. Thats the issue I had with /g/ boasting about them.
I foudn the Dolby drivers much better than the realtek ones for the W520, much greater improvement.
>>52930474
Yoga are tablet/convertables, T450s isn't but has an arguably stronger chassis.
As the touchscreens on the x series tablets any good? Was thinking about getting the x220 tablet to dick around with drawing shit.
>>52909007
Riced up antergos on my x220
