Maki Edition 2.0
https://my.mixtape.moe/aptwro.opus
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>Requesting purchase advice:
http://pastebin.com/hjHkKDyM (embed)
Asking "Hey guys, what's your opinion on x?" is frowned upon.
>/g/ wiki headphone FAQ:
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php?title=Headphones
>Previous thread
>>52828328
2 things:
/r/ IEM buying guide.
Does ad500x have god tier detail ?
I love Maki so much. OP's picture is too cute
>>52853492
I prefer the previous OP's picture
>>52853393
very cute mackie i approve
first for cheap chink pistons
>>52853555
>Mackie
>ckie
>>52853485
ANYONE
>>52853663
No idea about the "detail" as there aren't any measurements of the headphone available.
http://ko.goldenears.net/board/4398007
This is good but not the same headphone.
>>52853517
I prefer the current OP's picture
http://www.strawpoll.me/6757344
>>52853812
instead of two maki's one should be "as long as it's anime" or something
>>52853812
>http://www.strawpoll.me/6757344
>316 votes
NICE BOTS
>>52853812
>Maki is now some sort of /g/ meme/mascot
I wonder how many of these makiposters even actually care about the Love Live! franchise
>>52853812
http://strawpoll.me/6757452
>>52853912
i watched the anime
went to akihabara and played the games in the sega arcades
won some ll stuff from the grabbie machines there
taking my trusty dt880s everywhere i went
so yeah i care
Are these a good option for the price?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/JVC-HAFX1X-Xtreme-Xplosives-Headphones/dp/B004S7Q8CA/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1454808089&sr=1-1&keywords=xxx+earphones
If not, can you recommend some good earphones for a similar price?
>>52854074
:|
xiaomi pistons 3/hybrids
I wonder if Maki is actually the most popular rabu of /g/ or is just a couple makiposters spamming her everyhwhere.
Any opinions on the Velodyne vTrue?
>>52854535
The pads look nice.
How long do headphones normally last?
my friend is selling me his used dt880 he bought from 2011 at $100 is that a good idea?
>>52854329
A Maki thread a day keeps the jannies away
>>52854647
the pads are most likely worn down, but theyre probably fine
>>52853912
I watched the anime and found it entertaining, listened through all the music and drama CDs and some live shows. The most "Makiposting" I do is attach an image to my post which also includes something topic related. I've been doing it for longer than this thing exploded.
>>52854647
Sounds like a good deal. My friend has DT990s from the 80s and they work perfectly. Keep them well they don't really age past the pads which are replaceable.
>>52854647
I have a wireless logitech headset which is my all purpose all day headset, had them for 3 or 4 years and i only recently had an issue with them which was the battery dying out, but it was a cheap and easy repair and theyre good as new. even bought new pads and theyre almost good as new
>>52854747
>>52854849
>>52854923
Thanks, I guess i'll go for it. Im more worried about the drivers though, the headband and the pads are somehow still in a great condition
>>52854982
Drivers last decades.
>>52854535
oh yeah dude FUCKIN MASTERPIECE
>>52854535
these things are $80 and im thinking about getting a pair
I asked for recommendations in the last thread and was suggested both the Sennheiser HD 439 and Superlux HD 681.
Anyone used one or the other and can vouch for which might be a better choice?
>>52855575
HD 681 is the better sounding one, 439 is comfier.
Are you all watching handegg fiddy or what?
>>52855575
HD 681 is great with K240 pads.
>>52854535
They look retarded.
>>52856440
no im watching anime like any sane person
>tfw got a dt880 for $60
to bad i don't think it will offer me much over my K702
Are noise-cancelling headphones worth it?
>>52856882
no why would you want headphones you cant hear
what's the difference between the K240 and K240 mk2, besides about $40
>>52856985
the mkII has good looks?
Is this any good ?
https://www.monoprice.com/product?pg_no2=2&c_id=108&cp_id=10823&cs_id=1082302&p_id=8323&sortby=&period=&rating=&seq=1&format=4#features
quick question are akg quincy jones still
>considered good headphones?
>>52857158
you trolling?
>>52857185
theyre trolling the second they dont even read the op
>>52857158
Yes, they're good. Especially for 15$
I'm not sure if that's what you want or if you'll like them, but those are a good pair of headphones for its value
>>52857158
for the price
>>52857167
K702 and K7xx is better
>>52853485
It's a touch out of date, but here: http://pastebin.com/QQ4Gp7bQ
>>52857336
why do you need a guide in a world after the pistons were invented
IEMs are fucking shit so it won't get any better from a pair of pistons 3
I want to buy the 02 amp/dac. Is there much of a difference between the JDS labs and Mayflower electronics variations?
Does anyone have the webm of the old dude listening to some cans and flinching and shit?
>>52857361
Why do you need a guide in a world after the DT880 600 Ohms were invented
Headphones are fucking shit so it won't get any better from a pair of DT880 600 Ohms
Alright, /hpg/...
Amazon is basically saying that I'm stealing from them and that they may close my account soon. I have $515 on the account and I don't want to lose it.. What is the best all-around pair of headphones I can buy? Is it the DT 880 or the HD600? Just tell me. I don't have time to waste.
Tell me moar about crossfeed and he400i
>>52857860
wow quit stealing asshole
>>52857952
what do those have to do with each other?
>>52857860
HD600 is veiled and built like shit, get a k702/dt880 600 ohm with o2+odac/magni+modi
inb4 butthurtsennfag
>>52857860
its the hd600. youre unlucky the akg shill is here
>>52857860
K702 and a schiit stack
>>52857860
dont buy shit, receive it, then say you never got them.
is it that hard?
>>52857955
>>52858039
god dammit niggers I didn't steal anything. I live in a shitty neighborhood with a long driveway so the fucking faggot UPS guy drops it off at my mail box, urban fellows stroll by, see my package, and just fucking take it. fucking niggers man. amazon is getting pissy because it's two packages so they think i'm trying to pull something.
>>52858013
>>52858024
Why do you guys not agree?
>>52858013
Which is better o2+odac or Magni+Modi?
>>52858111
doesn't matter really
>>52857991
ive just heard things about crossfeed and he400i. Is there something I should know about with regards to them? Is crossfeed still a gimmick?
>>52858228
i still dont know what you mean. crossfeed is there for people that want it. its not any more complicated than that. are you asking what its for? i think you have some false assumptions so youre asking bad questions based on them
>>52857333
thank you sir. trips confirmed /g/entleman
>>52858013
>>52858024
>>52858027
why can't you fags agree on literally anything at all?
>>52858243
im hearing its the shit with he400i which makes me want a he400i. But then again, my o2 doesnt support crossfeed so I'd have to do it in hideous software like foobar2k or buy a new amp
>>52858340
crossfeed is for people that cant stand not having it. its not something you want to use. read about it.
>>52858318
because some people can read a graph, and others cannot.
>>52858370
>because some people can read a graph, and others cannot.
Which did you say to get?
>>52858382
hd600
>>52858131
Magni+Modi then since they are cheaper
>>52858370
>because some people can read a graph, and others cannot.
>>52858396
>hd600
confirmed for troll
>>52857860
HD600 if budget is no concern.
The K702 is popular mostly because it's cheaper. HD600 measures better.
>>52843759
As I said before, I don't that will work out well. The ear canal has multiple resonators, whereas a simple tube only has the one from its length. Any attempt at an accurate canal simulation needs to have additional resonators to adjust the response.
In-ear acoustic impedance will be more dependent on the load with with headphones, much like headphones in the electrical domain with output impedance.
>>52858340
Crossfeed is just crosstalk, and they can't agree on how to do it. Nothing special with any headphone. Any proper crossfeed ought to be a very flexible solution to suit the listener.
>>52858425
welcome other guy that knows how to read graphs. i was getting lonely
>>52858318
The only thing we can all agree on is that Maki is best LL.
>>52858396
>>52858425
Why is the HD 600 better than DT 880? not even trolling i'm a faggot that doesn't know anything. I don't have an amp or anything, either, unless an RME Babyface audio interface counts, or my motherboard.
>>52858441
I would say K702 is a better value for euros who can get them less than 200 dollars vs 350 for HD600, but that's irrelevant in this case.
>>52858470
btw, I can get the DT 880 600ohm for $250 vs. the HD 600 for $330
>>52858470
its more neutral
>>52858489
i wont begin to argue this kind of stuff, because how much money means to every person depends on exactly that person and how much money they have. what do you want to do, plot some kind of "willingness vs income" graph at different price points? ridiculous
>>52858517
>HD 600
>more neutral than the motherfucking DT 880
ARe you fucking kidding me right now?
>>52858441
>>52858425
>>52858396
>>52858024
>>52858013
Is the HD600 300 ohm impedance a deficit over the DT 880 600 ohm impedance? I'm buying a o2+odac so I might as well make good use of it since whatever headphones I buy will be desktop use only.
I'm new to this audio stuff, started doing research in the past week so bear with me.
>>52858541
the hd600 is the best. no more questions need to be asked.
>>52858527
no, not at all. though id imagine if you dont understand how things work, you might find this surprising
>>52858541
Your sound preferences are probably the most important factor. HD600 is better measuring overall but you may prefer one of the others.
Fill out the Pastebin in the OP
>>52858549
i own a hd600: the post
>>52858609
i in fact dont own any of the "big 3"
>>52858615
what in the fuck do you own then shill?
>>52858628
he400i
>>52858634
Why?
>>52858653
the biggest pitfall of open dynamic transducer headphones are their (typically) poor subbass response. the 400i is essentially a slightly brighter hd600 with better subbass. to most people, the treble means more than subbass, which i cant argue with, but if i just eq it down, i get both
Why do you niggers like the magni/modi shit so much?
>>52858682
theyre virtually as good as an odac+o2 but cost even less
>>52858674
subbass == niggerbass, right?
>>52858705
no, it means being able to actually hear bass at lower frequencies
>>52858634
are those better than 880 and hd 500 by a large margin considering the price?
>>52858682
Cheaper than O2+ODAC.
However they're separate enclosures, so O2+ODAC is more convenient as a small, all-in-one package.
>>52858682
>Why do you niggers like the magni/modi shit so much?
I don't. Additional DACs are often a waste of time. Trying to justify them without using them to address specific audio issues often turns some sort of mentally delusional nonsense.
>>52858541
>Is the impedance a deficit
No.
>>52858735
..so are you implying that you shouldn't have a dac at all?
>>52858727
i mean, i dont think so. but your answer, just as mine did, would come down to how much you like bass. if you love subbass and actually listen to things containing it, then yes it would probably be worth the money, especially if you can afford it. everything is relative
>>52858724
thats nigga bass. You only find those frequencies in chirp "music"
>>52857860
Account specialists at amazon are fucking assholes
Expect to never get your money or your package back. If you can do a chargeback do it right the fuck now.
I tried to purchase a pair of headphones but tried a different credit card than the debit card I used a couple times. My account was immediately suspended for "unusual" activity. They requested a bank statement for the credit card I attempted to purchase with, which I sent, via fucking fax in the year of your lord and savior +1, and they denied it. Some BS excuse about it missing data.
I went to my bank and requested a new statement with the info they need, bank doesn't issue it as they can't modify the page they print. I wrote it down manually but got the same message saying I'm still missing data. I called costumer support, the guy said he'll issue a ticket so this could be reviewed more closely. That was over a month ago and haven't heard from them since.
I'm telling you, do a fucking chargeback right the fuck now.
>>52858856
naw, nigga bass (to us, at least) just means bass of any frequency overshadowing the rest of the response
>>52858755
>implying that you shouldn't have a dac at all?
Technically speaking, anything you can get digital audio out of, anything that makes digital signals into electrical voltage has a Digital-Analogue Converter. Sound cards, most motherboards, phones, CD players, all have audio D/A chips.
What you want an additional DAC to do is address certain issues that you have with your existing gear. Noise from the converter and circuit, additional inputs and outputs, remote controls, maybe even distortion, if that actually happens.
If you can find some ordinary output that doesn't hiss or pick up interference, chances are it is good enough as a DAC. Remember that the DAC doesn't have to drive the headphone directly, the amplifier does.
>>52858936
maybe I'll just put my HD600 through my motherboard. fuk it
>>52858970
Just get an amp.
>>52858727
Depends on what kind of experience you want and the music you listen to most. Here's some quick comparative notes.
HD600:
Soft, mellow, cohesive sound that excels at conveying a live music vibe. Noticeable subbass rolloff. At lower volumes, a "Sennheiser veil" is more apparent, but not much of an issue for me because it's very non-fatiguing at usual moderate/high volumes. Lots of initial clamp is uncomfortable at first, but gets very comfortable after loosening. If you wear glasses, you can get annoying squeaking noises until they're adjusted right.
HE-400i:
Great subbass, better sense of detail and instrument separation than HD600. Tonality feels somewhat off and a little edgy in comparison, can never forget that I'm listening to headphones. Leaks sound like crazy. More consistent in fit and comfort, but the cable is too short. I might get HD700 cables or something soon to replace them.
I prefer the 400i for genres with a more aggressive presentation or lots of bass, HD600 for the rest.
>>52859197
b-but what about the 880?
>>52859235
what about them?
>>52859235
Sorry. As you can see from my pic, I don't own it.
>>52859239
well, we're all sort of looking at the HD 600 vs DT 880.
>>52859197
>I prefer the 400i for genres with a more aggressive presentation or lots of bass
Tried Grado cans?
>>52859263
as said, the hd600 are better
>>52859344
don't the dt 880s have better bass and treble and more comfort?
>>52859324
I haven't.
I know Grados are known for having an in-your-face kind of sound, but are the bass good on them? It's the main advantage the 400i has, so if the bass isn't as extended I'm not sure what niche it would fill for me.
>>52859377
better bass? i guess. better treble? no, too much. better comfort? thats going to depend on the size of your head and ears
>>52859403
>but are the bass good on them?
I haven't tried the 400i but the bass is better than my HD650. For electronic, hip hop, "aggressive presentation with lots of bass" I go with my SR225s but, like you, for everything else I go with the Senn (when I'm not at home).
There should be more things here, I won't add them.
>>52859448
Why did you pick the HD 600 over all of those, especially the HD 800 and DT 880?
>>52859448
How did you like the 4Rs, especially versus the ATH-IM02 and SE535? I've been looking at higher-end UIEMs and was curious what someone who's tried them all had to say.
I currently have sony MDR-v600 purchased over 10 years ago and they are discontinued. If I buy modern open back cans will I notice an improvement? I'm new to researching audio so idk if audio equipment comes and goes like graphics cards. Does the cost to performance ratio keep improving every 6 months and after 4 years the difference is David and Goliath?
>>52859699
HD 600 headphones are like 60 years old and considered to be one of the best, so no there are few improvements, and they're usually on ultra expensive headphones anyway.
>>52859699
All of the Big 3 are ancient, so not really. I guess cost to performance ratio has improved because they are a lot cheaper today.
Most notable advances recently are the revival of planar magnetic headphones.
>>52859764
w-what are the big 3 and what are their differences?
>>52859729
>>52859764
>>52859814
Fair enough. But I'm still curious about trying open back. Would I notice a worthwhile going from closed back MDR-v600 to the open back HD 600? I'm saying HD 600 since that seems to be the general favorite here so far.
>>52859463
Some combination of
-too much spent on something I don't use too use too often
-not much sonic/comfort benefit
DT 880/ HD 800 can maintain bass without the clamp sensation. HD 800/DT 880/HD 600 sound like some combination of veiled and harsh, if you can believe that. A problem with the word choice, which I can elaborate on.
Some mild comfort issues with all of them, HD 800 was best.
As a constant promoter of EQ, I didn't care for the FR of any headphone I've heard, and the differences start to evaporate as the equalization begins. Some friends who weren't willing to EQ liked the headphones, and away they go.
>>52859539
Almost everything else not by Shure has better treble extension than the SE535. SE535 has a nice form factor, and a smooth warm/dark tilt to its sound. 535 LTD brightens it a bit with different damper.
4R isn't made anymore, and I don't like some of the build changes made to the replacement W40. Quite midbass heavy, and very lacking in upper-midrange like the rest of the Westone line. Surprisingly good treble extension, but tip dependent.
IM02 doesn't sound too much like either. Think something with a tone control adjusted brighter than the Westone 2/Stagediver 2, but less bright than DBA-02/VC1000/R50. 5 kHz peaking, just like those other dual drivers I said, somewhat recessed upper mid. 5kHz is still not very emphasized in absolute terms. Even toned low end.
>>52859699
Nothing like Moore's Law for audio. You can't just double the performance from the device.
>>52859875
has nothing to do with favorites, and yes youll be blown away by the difference
>>52859875
HD 600 is supposedly the best all-rounder, least fatiguing headphone that isn't overly expensive, as well as the DT 880 Premium 600 ohm(not as good as HD 600 though, more fatiguing due to the treble) and the AKG 702(not really they're shit)
HD 600 is the only solid pair of headphones.
>>52859949
Nice, thanks for the impressions. Thinking between Westones UM/Wxx lineup and AT's IM0x lineup versus the new ATH-Exx offerings, once the reviews drop on the latter.
>>52859875
Sorry forgot "improvement" in the middle of that sentence. But from the two responses it seems you guys understood what I meant.
>Would I notice a worthwhile going from closed back MDR-v600 to the open back HD 600?
>>52859993
*EQ*
HD600 a trash
went from turtle bitches to AKG K511's and a behringer xenyx 302 USB audio interface (plus a random beyerdynamic M201N(c) mic) the audio interface and mic were free, and the headphones 30€, did I do a stupid?
>>52860135
are you fucking serious
![[shillingintensifies].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3AOgocO.jpg "[shillingintensifies].jpg")
>>52860007
What do you want that you might be looking into these in-ear line ups?
>>52860135
here's your reply.
>>52859993
You don't need to be that salty. HD600 is often overpriced relative to the others which is why it's not recommended as much.
>>52860135
Yeah, thank God for EQ, huh?
>>52860279
So you're saying buy the HD600 if the price is low and buy the DT880 if the HD600 gets more expensive than the 880?
I have no opinion just asking to learn.
>>52860279
What would you recommend in the $200-$350 price range, then?
>>52860168
Something (mostly) neutral that doesn't entirely drop the ball anywhere on the overall range. Understanding that there's inherent limitations in IEMs, especially in a sub-$400 price range, I want something that I can use while traveling that I can EQ to my taste with a variety of genres. Source would be a Fiio X1, no amp (or an e11 if I really needed it). It could be a bit dark or V-shaped if need be, but like I said, balanced would be ideal.
It's really more of a long-term planning thing. It's not something I need right now, just planning for future upgrades. Hell, I just grabbed a pair of Soundmagic e80s, and while I like them, I'm still feeling them out. I'm new to higher-end IEMs as a whole, I've already got closed headsets that I like, I just want something extremely portable.
I should also add that I have a moderate amount of hearing loss from working around aircraft, so higher-end treble may play less of a factor.
I have some 250ohm DT770s and I really like them, but I think I'm missing out because I'm not running the with an amp?
My onboard sound is a Realtek ALC892. It gets 90% as loud as I'd like, but I feel like I'm missing some punch. I mostly listen to deep house. For movies/tv/anime/youtube videos they are more than sufficient.
I was kind of under the impression that if my cans are loud enough, I don't need to amplify them. I'm not exactly an audiophile, so can someone straighten me out?
What's the minimum that I'd need to spend here?
>>52860311
HD600 is almost always more expensive than the other two because Sennheiser cracks down on its dealers for pricing. I guess it also has more demand given that audiophiles circlejerk it the most.
I'd say HD600 below $300 is good, but the other two get down to $200 or below quite often which make them great relative values.
>>52860316
$200 and $350 are almost twice the difference. K702 is a good recommendation these days because it's below $200 in Europe and the K7xx is often available for $200, while DT880 tends to hover around $230-250.
HD600's usual price is like $300-350 which is above most budgets for people requesting purchase advice here, especially since all of these need additional money for an amp. When HD600 is $100+ more than the other two, it's harder to justify except for those who are sensitive to treble and have the extra budget.
>>52857860
HD 600 would be my pick here.
>>52859949
Can you share your EQ settings?
maki is good
>>52860504
3 word post
Being the most informative post here I think you deserve an award.
Your reward is a special tip to increase your computers performance. Delete system/32 thank me later.
Picked up these for $120. Did I fall for a meme?
>>52860590
No, but you overpaid. Those are usually less than $100.
>>52858094
Then you should've asked the sender or the post office to have your package be changed to pick-up and you go pick it up yourself.
>>52859949
Are you also the anon who knows his stuff about audio here, giving advice and correcting others about how signals/audio devices and such work?
>>52860590
A good heaphone, sometimes offered for cheaper. Not bad.
>>52859875
>I'm saying HD 600 since that seems to be the general favorite here so far.
Just so you know, the favorite headphone here changes every month.
>>52860613
I should've said, $120 AUD, which works out to around $80 USD. Didn't pay for shipping either as I picked them up from a tech shop on the way home from work.
>>52857361
I got the pistons 3
don't like them, highs are too weak and bass is too strong
because they're in ear canal earbuds, they're also uncomfortable as fuck
preferred the shitty 5$ ones that break in a month
>>52860669
$80 is a good sale for 558 in the US, so you did pretty damn well especially since Aussies tend to have a hard time with electronic prices.
>>52860394
>amazon prices right now
>HD 600 = $328.99
>DT 880 Premium 600 OHM = $249.00
Id like to buy new headphones this week to pair with my new o2ampodac. I don't want to wait 6 months to see when prices to drop. With current prices I listed which would you buy right now?
>>52860704
>mfw i'm looking at the exact same things
anon pls
>>52860704
well it depends on preferences
if you like nobass & strong treble, k702 is a good choice
if you like strong treble & don't mind a bit of bass, k7xx, dt880 or k612 are a good choice
if you like bass, hd650 or 400i are a good choice
>>52860704
>>52860730
If you don't mind putting $400 down up front, the $150 gift card bundle is effectively a $250 HD600 which is as good as you're going to get for them.
If you can't, then that DT880 price is decent.
>>52860704
Hd600
>>52860743
wow hey
you still pay $15 for tax, though where you don't with the $328 one.
>HD 600 just jumped to $400
did that fucking faggot ITT buy the $328 pair i'm going to fucking murder you anon
>>52860851
oh wait nevermind I was l-looking at something else :)
>>52860730
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U93qPG5C-jI
>>52860851
At $328 for standalone HD600, I would try the DT880s at $250 over them.
On the other hand, the $400 gift card bundle is very good since you never see HD600 going for below $250 new.
>>52860903
I can't do it because I'm using my gift card balance and they don't let you buy a gift card with your gift card dosh. fuck my life. I didn't want to use my debit card.
>>52860731
Ugh. The comment is appreciated but I just spent like 3 hours watching reviews and reading comments on the HD600 and DT880. Adding 5 more pairs for me to research means I probably wont be placing my order tonight and will spend god knows how much more time researching before I make a selection.
>>52860919
just think about what you want and go based on that
unless you want niggerbass and pick a nobass pair or you expected really hard treble & you picked one with recessed treble, you won't be disappointed
like they're all good, that's why they're recommended so often
>>52860913
They don't let you buy a bundle containing a gift card with a gift card balance?
Well I guess that makes sense in a perverse sort of way.
$125 for a pair of lightly used AKG K702's
Might even get them a bit lower, $115-ish.
Cop or not?
>>52861192
Go for it. You have an amp, right?
>>52861201
I do not. My old speaker set broke down last week and I've been looking for used deals on good headphones since then. Had my eye on a pair of K240's first so I didn't think I'd need an amp..
>>52861231
then decide if you want to spend the extra money on an amp, you will need one
something like an objective 2, shiit magni 2, fiio e10k, fiio e07k
>>52861292
>>52861231
basically look at it like this
you can either get a good pair
or you can get a really good pair with a free amp
>>52861231
The E10k goes for about $75 but is overpriced right now due to supply. If you can wait, just get it on one of those backordered sites like Adorama or bhphotoandvideo.
K702+E10k for $200 is hard to beat
>>52861389
Hmm, the E10k would allow me to do: Computer -> Mini USB -> E10k -> K702's ?
I've found one for $89.99 in a local webshop, so if I can get the cans down to $110/115 I might just go for it. Thanks!
>>52861449
>Mini USB
What?
I believe the E10k itself is micro USB in to regular USB out, so you just plug it into any USB port and it just werks.
Hello pals!
So the O2/ODAC is 4x more expensive here in Australia, with the O2 being $459 and E10k $105.
Is the O2 still worth it? Australia's pricing is majorly screwed up.
>>52860704
http://www.amazon.com/AKG-Pro-Audio-K702-Headphones/dp/B001RCD2DW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1454924296&sr=8-1&keywords=k702
Don't listen to people telling you that these have hard treble and no bass, they're just antishilling. The new chinese K702 is closer to the K612 than the old austrian model. They can still be considered as bright headphones, but not in an exaggerated way.
>>52861597
That seems fucked up. The whole point of the O2 was to be cheap but transparent.
>>52861597
E10k will be fine.
O2+ODAC is usually about $300 USD. The only reasons to get O2+ODAC over E10k are 1) you really want that placebo and/or 2) if you have headphones that are too demanding for the E10k like 600 ohm Beyers.
t. O2+ODAC owner
>>52861635
even 600 ohm Beyers should be fine with E10k
>>52861635
Okay, cool. E10k it is. Now I've got $300 lying around, might get myself a nice dinner after purchase.
>>52858735
>Is the impedance a deficit
"No."
Then why is the 880 600 ohm version better than the 880 250 ohm version? If beyer makes a better headphone of the same design @ 600 ohms why doesn't sennheiser make a better HD 500 version at 600 ohms instead of 300 ohms?
Isn't that the whole point of the amp/dac setups? That you can use high impedance shit thats not designed for pleb portable use?
>>52861630
The O2 by itself is $130. The ODAC is another $150.
>>52861658
Really? I wouldn't imagine the E10k outputs that much mW into 600 ohms, but I don't have any direct experience with them.
Just tell me where I can get better quality circumaural headphones that stay within the price-range of the ATH-M50X headphones.
>>52861734
Fill out the form, nigger. There is no "better", only "suitable for given needs".
>>52861753
Don't be a bitch and just name a pair of better fucking earphones that still stay within the price range of the ATH-M50x.
If you can't do that then by all means go fuck yourself.
>>52861688
The sound differences between the DT 880 600 ohm and the 250 ohm aren't as striking as the sound differences between the 250 ohm and the 32 ohm, Tyll and many others proved this. Like you said, a higher impedance is usually better because it can work well with amp/dacs having high output impedance. This was a major issue in the past, but nowadays there are a lot of good portable players/amps/dacs that have low impedance output which can drive even low impedance headphones very well. There's really no point in wanting a super high impedance headphone, unless you mean to use different sources.
>>52861688
Impedance has no correlation to sound quality and loose correlation to drive requirements. It's not a useful spec on its own.
The 600 Ohm Beyer seems to have smoother treble than the 250 Ohm version but it's still peaky, just less so with the high impedance version. This is nothing inherent to high impedance voice coil however and since the word "better" was thrown in already, it's all subjective, too. Assuming Sennheiser would create a higher impedance version of the HD 600, it might or it might not alter the frequency response. I'm not knowledgeable to tell you where the differences could be, what exactly would it do with the FR(if anything) and I can't tell you whether the possible change would be for the better as this is subjective. One thing is for sure, it would require more voltage to drive loudly than the lower impedance version assuming that nothing else in the design was changed.
Point of an amplifier is to output more power to the headphones to drive them louder and possibly fix issues with current gear you are using such as noise, distortion and output impedance as well as give you a nice volume knob. Some headphones can be very inefficient and thus need an amplifier to give you adequate listening volume. Impedance is a factor but not directly related. Most inefficient and hardest to drive headphones right now are in the 50 Ohm range.
As for DAC, see >>52858735 and >>52858936
>>52861781
rude
>>52859377
yes to all 3 but the midrange is worse compared to the HD600
it's a great pair of cans though and much better price-wise if you live in europe
>>52861781
HD 558 if you just want the best without any criteria. Don't blame me if you don't like them.
>>52862299
I'm fairly sure more people like THAT DEEEEP THUMPING BASS NIKKA or V shaped signature than 558
>>52860704
You don't need the amp and DAC yet. Get the headphones first and then decide.
>Budget
$100
>Headphone
HE400i
Just want a quick dac/amp suggestion.
Basically narrowed it down to Fiio e10k and Schiit Fulla.
>>52862526
why no shiit magni 2
unless your onboard is shit you can just get a standalone amp
>>52862540
Is there a significantly noticeable difference? I prefer to keep costs lowered.
>>52853912
2011 LL fan here.
It is always good to see Love Live being beloved.
I have the Superlux HD668B. Would the HD600 be a worthwhile upgrade, or should I just buy some $10 velour pads and call it a day?
>>52862646
I'm just going to assume this is bait
(you could buy the 681 and it'd be an upgrade)
adding pic for attention
>>52860153
>>52860153
>>52860153
:^(
>>52862684
So you're saying that the HD 600 would be worth the $328 over my 668B with $10 pads?
>>52862713
$328 is a bit overpriced.
Also, if you get the HD600, you would also have to buy an amp which would probably be another $75+ for something like the E10k.
Might want to check out the DT880 or K702 which are going for $100 less.
>>52862753
>>52862753
everyone is saying something different, and it's fucking annoying.
>muh HD 600 are god-tier
>DT 880 are not as gud but get them instead because
If the HD 600 is better, i'm buying them. I have an audio interface to act as a DAC/amp. I don't want to cuck myself with shittier headphones if I'm keeping these for like 10 years.
>>52862713
it's a worthwhile upgrade
if it's worth the 328 (250 if you get amazon bundle with 150$ gift card for 400) is up to you
you could be some nigger on the street with 5 quarters to his name or a multi billion drug/oil baron
>>52862646
It's definitely better. Whether you see the value is up to you.
>>52862780
Get the HD600 then.
Also, at this price point the diminishing returns hit hard so your personal sound signature preferences are probably the most important factor. The HD600 may measure best on a graph, but you may prefer one of the others.
How do you like the Superluxes and their bass/mids/treble overall?
>>52862816
>>52862816
I think that they sound fine. I really don't know shit about this. I don't know what I like or what good is. They uncomfortable as hell to wear. That's the only thing I can say, easily. If something about the sound sucked ass, I would have no idea because they're my only way to have audio from my computer at all.
are pic related any good?
love the idea of a replaceable cable but I could go through 3 pistons for the same price so not sure if it's worth.
I exclusively use IEM's and some better sound would be nice.
>>52862844
come on dude, you must be able to notice this shit, you had reference to random shit before your superluxes
when I first put them on with some music, I instantly noticed the much stronger and clearer highs than what I was used to, listening to something that's not bright now sounds really bad to me
Like the pistons 3 just sound awful because they have too much bass and not enough treble
have you never thought to yourself "hmm this part of the song/instrument/whatever is too strong/weak"
>>52862861
no
i guess they're treble-y. They're easily the nicest things I've ever owned so I don't know what I'm missing. If the HD 600 is that much better, I have no idea what better is. I can't even imagine it so I have no idea what I'm supposed to be listening for.
>>52862886
what you could do is go listen to some at an event or meet or some shit, maybe a special store
alternatively, buy a different pair like the hi2050 or something, and then compare them
>>52862886
The HD 600 has a more extended and smoother response, less peaky and less treble. It's going to sound warmer in comparison. It's also going to be a heck of a lot more comfy. EQ gives you the idea if you can mimic the HD 600 response.
>>52862844
If I recall correctly, the 668s are rather V-shaped with a bass boost and also excessive treble.
DT880 would probably be the most direct upgrade to the sound of your Superluxes, since it has both the best bass of the Big 3 but also shares the elevated treble.
K702 has good extension but also the least bass quantity of the three, with forward mids and somewhat high treble energy. If you want bright but not too bright, this is a decent choice.
HD600 is very mid-centric, with less emphasis in the treble, a bit of boosted midbass and subbass rolloff. It's the most neutral overall, but if you're one of the people who want more bass or more treble they can sound boring.
All of them are pretty comfy.
>>52862965
>a bass boost
They have NO SUBBASS and normal to slightly raised high end bass/ low mids
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/SuperluxHD668B.pdf
http://en.goldenears.net/14529
>>52862951
I just don't like how so much of this is subjective. I wish there was an obvious "Yes, these are better than these, objectively."
Everything you're saying, I have no idea what it really means until I hear it. If it's worth the $328, then it would have to sound like x10 better than my 668B. I don't see how that could be.
>>52862965
When I read this, neutral is something that I have partnered with meaning good. I want to hear things how they were meant to be heard. I don't want coloring or whatever you'd call it. I don't know if these 668B's do that, but I feel like that's what i'd want, but maybe I don't know. The DT 880 600ohm is another one that I'm looking at... between the HD600 and the DT 880 600ohm.
>>52862989
yes, the hd600 are objectively better than the 668b
so are the k702, k612, dt990, dt880, hd 650, and various others
hell, the hd 681 are objectively better and they're 5-10$ less
>>52862982
Yeah by bass boost I meant midbass.
You're not going to get good extension at that price. Also innerfidelity is kind of shit when headphones are dependent on fit, since Tyll for some dumb reason averages in the bad fit measurements.
>>52862989
That's easy then. HD600 is objectively better measurement-wise. I was asking about your preferences because what you like in your sound is not a purely objective thing.
>>52862989
maybe get MDR 7506/v6, to get a reference of what a neutral/bright pair is
if you like them, you know what to look for and you have a closed pair of portable headphones if you ever need them
if you don't like them, you know what to look for and can give them as a gift
>Budget
$220
>Source
E10K
>Preferred type of headphone
Same type of can shape as the M50X
>Open or closed
Closed
>Past headphones
ATH-WS55X
i'm thinking of getting the M50X but i don't really know, there are heaps of other good headphones at this price range that i don't know about
>>52863023
takstar pro 80s have good extension & are only a bit more
>>52863023
I have no opinion. Between the DT 880 and the HD 600, I want to like the DT 880 more just because I can get them for much less, but if the HD 600 is overall a bit nicer, I'd rather just fork over the extra cuckbux and get it over with. I also have no amp or dac, unless you count an RME Babyface audio interface. I plan on putting this right through my ASUS Z97-A/USB3.1 motherboard, otherwise. If a DAC/amp is really that necessary, then it would change things.
>>52863050
dt 770 pro 80 ohms is better than m50x, but that's not saying much
>>52862989
Well people do prefer an extended and smooth response. Whether this response is bright/warm/neutral depends on the person. HD 600 does better in this regard than the Superlux. There is also a correlation with the amount of distortion and preference. People prefer less distortion but this is a trickier subject as it's not easy to tell what part or how the distortion is audible(if at all) in headphones based on THD sweeps alone(unless they are excessive). HD 600 also does have lower distortion than your Superlux though, audible or not. Technically it's a better headphone in every regard but as individual's preference can still vary a lot, it's quite impossible for us to say how good it is for you.
does anyone here own a pair of CD-9000STs? if so, how are they?
>>52863050
ATH-MSR7.
>>52863082
It's good. I'm really liking it and somehow always gone back to it even after owning some headphones now.
>>52863060
>RME Babyface
From a quick search, it looks like you might not get loud enough with these since there are several forum posts talking about insufficient headphone volume.
I suppose you could always buy the headphone and then buy an amp afterward if the RMEs aren't enough. E10k is a good option for a dac/amp, and if you buy the $400 Amazon gift card pack for the HD600 you could also use the gift card on them.
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Is it true that listening to headphones would lead to slower decline of hearing compared to earphones, since the latter is so much closer to the drums?
>>52863183
No. Sound pressure level along with exposure time is what matters.
>>52863175
I have to use my amazon gift card money so I can't buy that gift card pack thing.
>>52863229
Ah, you're that guy.
Well, I don't think you can go wrong with either one. If you want to pay the premium for more neutral, go for the HD600 but there is the possibility you might have to spend more on an amp.
>>52863267
My problem is picking between the DT880 and the HD600, I guess.
>>52863156
>CHiCO
mah nigga
>>52863349
That's not a bad problem to have, really.
Which headphone would be suitable for prolonged usage or gaming on laptop?
>m40x/m50x
>mdr 7506
I'm leaning towards buying m50x (although 70$ more than m40x) but I'd like a second opinion
>>52863534
Whatever you pick, you probably want to buy replacement pads.
MDR-7506 pads flake after a while.
M40x/50x pads are shallow and uncomfortable.
>>52863534
m50x is worse & more expensive than m40x
m40x is worse than 7506
get 7506 with pads
>>52860371
>I think I'm missing out because I'm not running the with an amp
Natural to think this given all the bullshit that is online, and once you think it, it is all over, because if you ever do get an amp, you are going to believe that it is doing something positive even if it really is not.
>if my cans are loud enough, I don't need to amplify them.
This is right.
Another thing to consider is that if you can actually hear your headphone at all, then they ARE being amped. You have an amp already.
>>52863446
yeah, but since I don't own either, opinions on them would be very helpful.
>>52863614
DT880 if you want tinnitus
>>52863639
o-oh.
>>52863614
if you don't want to buy a different cheaper headphone to help you compare & decide and you're the guy with the amazon balance, get the dt880
>>52863534
>>52863597
M40x may be preferable if he wants more bass and less treble.
Compare:
http://ko.goldenears.net/board/5705574
http://en.goldenears.net/4726
That said, the DIY Audio Heaven measurement of the M40x doesn't look nearly as good.
>>52863673
b-but ... and now this guy >>52863639 says no
>>52863675
I SURE DO LOVE THESE VASTLY DIFFERENT MEASUREMENTS & GRAPHS
>>52863699
everything gives you tinnitus if you put it loud enough
he's probably just memeing
they're both good, I just told you to get dt880 because you'd pay more for the 600s than other people so you could stop worrying about what to buy and just buy something
>>52863699
You're never going to get unanimous agreement.
Flip a coin if you really can't decide. There's been a ton of input on the headphones involved but the final decision is all yours. Soliciting more opinions isn't going to help you at this point.
>>52863699
be glad the AKG fags aren't here or you'd have gotten 80 replies telling you "k702 + e10k"
>>52863742
I wish they were here just for this guy, would be pretty funny.
>>52863699
Get DT 800 if you're a nigger
Get HD600 if you want to experience the best experience an average consumer could ever wish for
Get K702 if you want to listen to your music from the perspective of the sound engineer who created it
>>52863823
>if you're a nigger
DT880 barely has more bass than the other two.
It's not bass heavy at all.
>>52863349
fuck em both and get a k702
>>52863823
Well, I'm not a nigger. You make the K702 sound cool, but I don't know what you actually mean by it.
>>52863846
w-why anon
>>52863773
kek, successfully summoned
>>52863859
they have arrived
run
>>52863859
>but I don't know what you actually mean by it
By it I meant that the K702 stands on a different level from both the DT 880 and the HD 600. At the end of the day both the DT 880 and the HD 600 are made for the average consumer and they really make music more pleasant, no doubt about it. K702, on the contrary, is a reference heapdhone, which means that it's built and engineered to reproduce accurately everything happening in the recording you're listening to. This entails that poorly mastered recordings will sound like shit on the K702, while well-mastered recordings will sound great. K702 is more unforgiving than both the HD 600 and the DT 880.
>>52863908
it c-can't be that bad.
>>52863925
Do you think that this is a good thing?
