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Ok so heres the deal.
I've got a Radeon 6950 right now. Been getting real sick of AMD and their drivers. I've got an ideal budget of 350 CAD (250 USD), but can go up to 400.
I can order on Amazon.ca/com. I have the potential opportunity to pick up a GTX 970 for 350. Should I wait for the R9 390 to go on sale, or jump on the 970?
Also, anyone with experience with either of these cards? I've heard of the 970 memory issues, but don't see it being a problem since I only have 2gbs right now.
970 is a good card. a lot of people here will call it a meme card but i wouldnt worry, it's served me well
>>52643625
That's what I figured as well. I'm also pretty impressed with the power consumption. The 390 is more than double.
>>52643682
The 390 is a power hog, but damn they can be quiet. A water loop can make more noise.
970 consumes much less power and iirc typically runs cooler if you want to overclock and get more performance.
>>52643591
You may want to wait till the next line up of cards comes out this hear for either better performance or a price drop on the current generation. Should be about 6 months if you can hold out. That being said, I haven't run into any memory issues with my 970
>>52643876
I thought about it, but a 970 for 350 is like 100 cheaper than I can find anywhere else, so I feel like it's a good idea to jump on it now
>>52643917
Unless if you're being deployed or going to med school in a year, you can wait.
>>52643591
https://techreport.com/news/29632/rumor-amd-may-cut-radeon-r9-fury-prices-soon
Maybe $450 for the Furry?
>>52643591
970 dude... Screw that AMD crap! I was a die-hard AMD user for years and I'm never looking back. Just being free of their shitty drivers alone is enough of a reason!
R9 390 is the price/performance king atm.
It is a fantastic card and both Windows and Linux drivers are really stable.
Those 8GB of VRAM will hold you over for a while, too.
>>52643591
> buying a 28nm card when 2x faster/more efficient 14nm/16nm cards are 6 month out
at the very least, consider waiting till this summer, when last gen GPU get massively price cut to dump inventory.
Polaris/Pascal will be the biggest single generation jump since the Radeon 9700 Pro in 2002.
>>52643591
I'm actually an AMD fan but honestly there is nothing wrong with nvidea whatsoever. I can't think of anything either company has done to make me not want to support them.
So if it fits your budget and performance needs then I say go for it. Most anything in the 300+ range is going to perform adequately for most people's needs.
>>52643591
>buying this late in the game
>>52643591
Wait for Polaris/Pascal. We been on 28nm for way too long.
>>52643591
i believe jet.com works in canada. I just got an msi 390 for 275 usd total. If you're interested try it out
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Wtf is all this fanboy shit about? I'm really starting to lose hope for humanity.
People are so desperate for acceptance they force their communist teir opinion about whatever shit product they bought so they can feel better about it.
If the card you have works now, wait..... either choice will get cheaper.
Choose the one that looks better and make you feel funny inside.
Unless you buy both and benchmark them you will personally never know the difference on your rig.
The R9 Nano already had a massive price drop recently.
It's definitly the best choice right now if you don't have much money.
>>52643682
>390 uses 270W while the 970 consumes 210W
>more than double the power consumption
Learn to math
>>52643682
More than double.
>>52643591
>Been getting real sick of AMD and their drivers
Every time somebody says that, I feel bad for the chronic autism they must have.
>>52643809
I've got 2 390x's and at idle they're silent, and when gaming the fans rarely get loud.
>>52646991
Source that Pol/Pas will be "the biggest single generation jump".
6950 worked on my machine so don't know where you're coming from OP
>>52643591
>Every AMD vs Nvidia thread
>>52643591
intel
>>52643591
And my trusty copypasta inbound.
On the topic of the 970;
3.5 does exist. It is there. We can measure it, the impact it has on performance, and when it triggers.
That being said. It IS still a fantastic GPU for gaming at 1080p, performance is solid so long as you don't go silly with mods or higher resolutions, something that will push vRAM usage higher, and ultimately end up with stuttering.
How long the 970 will be good for 1080p gaming is the main question. As of these next few months we will have new generations of GPUs equipped with HBM2, meaning higher amounts of vRAM. That vRAM being there is just shouting to Game Developers "Hey, look at me!, you don't need to optimise anymore!" and very quickly we could see the 970 become a very poor GPU.
That is one scenario. Should developers continue with this pattern of "Ok, I'll do SOME optimisations here", then the 970 will hold up to the test of time a little better.
All that being how it is, or how it may turn it. The 970 WILL age poorly. Even compared to past nVidia GPUs. The vRAM and general on-going optimisations we see for AMD GPUs, the 290/290x/390/390x especially will age well.
Hell, look at the 7970, that thing is beating out 780ti's at this point thanks to driver optimisations made possible by it being GCN, which means that AMD's driver team can easily alter drivers and send them back.
nVidia's drivers as a whole are solid. Just avoid GameReady drivers, they always cause more issues than they fix. nVidia will churn out a really solid driver once every 3 months or so. But never be the first to install a driver, wait and see how the forums react for a week after the release of a driver.
Neither is better than the other when it comes to drivers. If you were to compare each release and the problems both bring to the table or resolve. Then you would soon realise this.
R9 390, it's future proof, quiet, and only uses 60 more watts.
Also 3.5
:^)
Intel graphics 520
>AMD Drivers
>working drivers
Select one.
>Drivers meme in OP
This was always going to be a shill thread, wasn't it?
>>52649390
>ATI gets a reputation for having bad drivers around 2003 while it was transitioning from AGP to PCIe and that caused serious driver issues
>It's been 13 years, ATI doesn't even exist anymore, and idiots are still repeating that old nonsense without even having a clue where it came from
Kill yourself, newfag.
>>52650075
They still suck on linux
Just wait for the 2016 cards.
>>52650137
Everything sucks on Linux.
>>52650157
Not the nvidia drivers
>>52650178
You mean the ones that perform worse than on Windows, do not get the same performance improvements the Windows ones do, and are missing features compared to the Windows one? You can argue that they suck less, but they definitely still suck.
>>52650137
They have literally the only open source driver that is viable for gaming. Intel and Nvidia's open drivers don't even come close in terms of performance.
>paying for 3.5
AMD wins over Nvidia at every price class.
R7 250 > GT 730
R7 360 > GT 740
R9 370 > GTX 950
R9 380 > GTX 960
R9 390 > GTX 970
R9 Nano > GTX 980
R9 Fury X > GTX 980 Ti
>amd has bad drivers
When will this awful meme end?
>>52650211
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM8qXbJqMvs
>>52643591
>I've got a Radeon 6950 right now
You got fucked RAW by amd and you still want to go back? Are you a cuck?
The GTX 480 released a year before your 6950 is still getting full support and DX12. Your card got its support officially dropped by AMD several months ago.
You should know more than anyone how capable your card is. The 6950 is still on par with a 7870/R9 370 but amd just tossed it aside.
>>52643591
amd is trash.
So what ever happened to the GTX 960 Ti? There were rumors it was being released over a year ago then again a few months ago but still nothing.
970 if you want to play older games and use windows 7 only.
390 if you plan on playing any game and use any windows os including windows 10.
Nvidia has no stable windows 10 drivers. No proper dx12 hardware support. There is some coil whine issues too. Might be certain models.
AMD draws about 70w more than nvidia cards. And generally cheaper. 390 on DX11 and older beats or trades blows with 970. On DX12, it trades blows with 980.
>>52650211
Microsoft shill confirmed
>>52651801
Haven't had any issues on WinX with nvidia drivers, although the coil whine is really bad on this 970.
>>52650225
True, but AMD still has nothing even in the same league as Nvidia's proprietary drivers
>970
>>52651549
The 6950s architecture isn't heterogenous. DX12 support is not physically possible.
>>52652320
Shh, he thinks the 480 gets "full" support which shows 1) he doesn't know how DX12 works and 2) how Nvidia has defined support.
>>52651963
It's a shame, I'd really rather support AMD as a company, but I'd totally be shooting myself in the foot. Hopefully GPUOpen changes things but I'm not getting my hopes up just yet. Maybe in a few years.
>>52652227
lol fury x gettin raped
Fall for the 3.5GiB meme
>>52648555
Literally use your eyes;
>hurr why is a 28nm process down to 16/14nm a big jump?!?!?!??
>>52653405
980 getting raped
AMD
Anyone bringing up power consumption should really look at the big picture alot more.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/GPU15/1240
>>52649318
>only uses 60 more watts
>>52654679
>156w
>970
I don't think so tim.
>>52643591
Not a consumer review site faggot
>>52654679
>typical gamin/card only
Might as well hang yourself.
>>52651470
>>amd has bad drivers
>When will this awful meme end?
Not a meme... Every third release or so I had to run driver sweeper and clean install because of otherwise shit performance and random crashes. Even after new OS! Switching to Nvidia made it all go away. Fuck AMD garbage...
>>52654705
can you now show me the 390 one?
>>52654727
Better?
>>52654705
Your point? The 39** arn't a house fire?
>>52654834
>Your point?
Only the reference 970 runs at the 145w power target - all of the aftermarket versions (as technically the reference 970 was only for reviews) use a higher power target and thus draw more electricity.
>The 39** arn't a house fire?
The 390 and 390x only such around 40w more than a similarly clocked 290/x.
The main point is the idea that maxwell is super effecient is misunderstood by /g/ as it only looks at charts made by retards because accurate power measurement is hard.
Pic semi-related, its why Tom's is one of the few sites with the gear to pick up on shit like this.
>>52651388
>this is what amdcucks actually believe
>>52654886
>The 390 and 390x only such around 40w more than a similarly clocked 290/x
>implying the 29** wasn't also housefires
Can I have the power consumption of the 390 vs 970 please?
Stop your damage control, The AMD GCN have a higher power draw that maxwell, it's why AMD can't release good gpu for laptops and need a big AIO for Fury X. Meanwhile, a full desktop 980 can go in a gayming laptop.
>>52654996
> The AMD GCN have a higher power draw that maxwell
That was never in question, what was in question is how big of a delta there is.
Hey ho though lets not actually understand why so many sites report inaccurate numbers and just pick any old shit. Pic related - somehow this 290x is drawing more juice than a 295x2.
>>52655049
295x2 accurately measured, for comparison.
>>52655049
>780ti is maxwell
Stop please
>>52655072
I never said that and you clearly misunderstood the entire post. Its okay, I understand reading is hard.
>>52655072
nobody said that, you need reading comprehension
>>52654705
>>52654727
>typical AMDfaggot delusion
>>52655096
> reference hawaii within TDP
>reference 970 running beyond TDP
Its almost as if Nvidia lied!
>>52651511
Unless you have an actual 144hz monitor what's the deal?
>>52643917
I got my FTW version for around 350 at Microcenter around or a little less than a year ago, they're much cheaper now.
USD>>52643591
>>52648407
>>52648514
>thinking tdp is max power
>tpd != power consumption
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Powercolor/R9_390_PCS_Plus/28.html
>>52643809
>OP on budget
>anon suggests water loop{°-°}
>>52656287
>average power draw
>970 above a 980
>>52655131
TDP isn't the same as power consumption
>>52656383
>970 fans are on at low temps, 980 is be default off until 64c
>980 is more efficient at "Average" tasks
>implying it's average power usage rather than "average user tasks"
>implying my resource is credible
>implying it's impossible
>>52643591
I love the 970. I can play Minecraft on Ultra settings with it
>>52656458
>>970 fans are on at low temps, 980 is be default off until 64c
Not on reference models, which is what that chart is as it does not indicate otherwise.
>980 is more efficient at "Average" tasks
You wot m8? Unless the 970 is boosting significantly higher the higher core count of the 980 alone should drag power consumption above the 970.
>implying it's impossible
This is the only sensible thing you typed. No it isn't impossible but extremely improbable.
>>52651470
When it is no longer true.
I sell this shit part time while going to university and the shop I am part timing in does also do repairs.
Often it is just minor shit, but shit remains shit regardless at which size.
>>52656553
Sure beats your drives flatout imploding an OS or your screen eh?
http://modcrash.com/nvidia-display-driver-damaging-gpus/
http://www.zdnet.com/article/warning-nvidia-196-75-drivers-can-kill-your-graphics-card/
http://gadgets.ndtv.com/laptops/news/windows-10-is-killing-nvidia-graphics-cards-720443
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/862417/geforce-drivers/windows-10-geforce-drivers-are-killing-samsung-and-lg-notebook-lcd-display-panels/
>>52643591
Wait about 4 months. New generations of cards will come out.
Old cards (970, 390x, etc) will be a lot cheaper.
New cards (polaris, whatever nvidia has) will be a lot more powerful.
>>52654705
Comparing the powerconsumption of OCed cards with nVidia's official power ratings.
Say, are you braindead?
>>52655049
>600w
that looks about right. almost the same results i got the last time i tried running a real stress test on my 290x. it consumed 600~700w total system draw.
hawaii is real fuckin hungry piece of turd.
>>52654886
All Asus 750 cards got a PCI-E power connector, because they are set by Asus to go above the 75W.
>>52656576
You know that if you google shit like that you will always come up with stuff like that.
AMD had similar issues aswell.
I just want to remind that AMD made microstutter possible on single GPU cards and it took them nearly 3/4 of a year to hand that issue.
>>52656666
noice numbers
>>52644627
So you'd leave because they used to have shoddy drivers(Crimson is gr8) just to get cucked by 3.5. Shiggy diggy anon
I hope you all got those numbers with an oscilloscope
>>52657657
No microsruutering... Runs like buttah and driver updates install every single time. Explain how I got "cuked" you fukin shill. Oh yeah and I get vdpau in Linux which totally blows AMD shit away, hands down.
>>52644627
but the drivers are fine you're a meme shitter
>>52660039
Well you can have your opinion and you're shitty AMD garbage. Lol
>>52659750
Learn how not to spaz out on your keyboard faggot
Sapphire Nitro R9 390 8GB for best performance/price.
>>52643682
why do people care about power consumption? in the end the difference is only a few dollars. power consumption should only be considered after performance and 390 performance > 970 performance
>>52660039
yes I have had no problems with the amd drivers either, I think OP is just a faggot
>>52643591
Do you like your house?
>>52643591
you're complaining about owning about what amounts to a 260X in 2016 and you're complaining about drivers?
you just sound poor.
>>52647261
nvidia and physx
nvidia and gameworks
nvidia and drives making old cards worse (took a solid month to fix that, surprised they even did that)
nvidia and proprietary boner
nvidia and 3.5
nvidia and 960 and 780ti
nvidia and locking code to their cards only (this is older than physx and gameworks) so the work around made everyone else look like shit...
nvidia and 3 gpu killing drivers
nvidia and no windows 10 drivers
list goes on and on and on and on.
nvidia and no tessellation limiter in deriver (think of it, once the next gen comes out they will find a way to push something so the 980ti performs worse than new mid range, and an nvidia user will have no way to cut it off like an amd user does)
nvidia and 3d (granted this is a personal grievance from when vista was new)
yea, i can think of more than enough reasons to hate nvidia to make me go with amd so long as amd is competitive.
>>52662883
>2016
>being an amdcuck
>>52662926
only an amd cuck due to no other option.
>>52651388
980ti at 1080p furyx at 1440+
also instead of the nano, just a fury
>>52650225
>Intel and Nvidia's open drivers don't even come close in terms of performance.
Only because Intel GPU are generally pretty weak compared to a Fury X
>>52651388
950 stomps even the msi 370 that has another 100mhz above all other 370's
i had a 390 crossfire setup.
pic related it was it
i upgraded to a 970 sli (evga ftw+) and much more happier.
MUCH less power draw and day and night experience in heat generation. my room dropped 4c - 5c.
and in the games i play i noticed a slight fps boost.
my 390's ran extremely hot, no overclocking head room, the power draw was unreal. my 390's according to gpu-z would draw about 250 - 320 watts... each. while my 970s according to gpu-z draw about 130 - 190 each.
then ran into amd driver issues. from games crashing after an hour or two, to random display drivers stopped responding. i reformatted and reinstalled windows from scratch 5 times seeing if that would fix it. tried all the beta drivers. after two months, sold my 390s and went nvidia.
i'm happy now.
>>52663667
my 970 sli rig
>>52651549
>The GTX 480 released a year before your 6950 is still getting full support and DX12.
Nigga, not even Maxwell gets proper DX12 support, what makes you think Fermi is gonna get anywhere near that shit?
>>52656690
Psst, that chart is measuring through the motherboard connection, not total power draw of the card.
>>52656666
>core clock
>1392 mhz
>290x
and nobody called him out on this?
tip top kek
>>52664732
The webm is of a 980ti.
I like both AMD and Nvidia. Been using Nvidia cards for awhile now, so most likely I'll be looking at AMD when my 970's no longer happily running games maxed on the U2415.
Both have their faults (AMD being incompetent and behind on tech, Nvidia jewing their customers and being assholes) but I've never seen the need for the red v green troll wars.
>>52651963
Seriously is there some source for this? Does anyone have proof of this or am I sitting in a meme echo chamber?
>>52644254
A cheaper Fury would be THE high-end card to beat if that's true, because you have a pretty good shot at unlocking half of the disabled shaders, or all of them if you hit the jackpot, giving you an air-cooled Fury X or near-X either way
I was only able to unlock 3840 shaders total, but for $480, it was a bretty gud deal for something that matches a 980. It's also probably the coolest/quietest card I've ever used, probably because it's fucking LONG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7fA_JC_R5s
>>52665809
never ever buying NVIDIA
>>52660039
I was on AMD for awhile. The last driver update decided to fuck over several options in the control panel that improved quality of several games. Fuck their shit.
the next gen gpus won't come out till 3 months, and chances are they'd be out of stock from the beginning and food reciews would take time to come through, so about 6 months of waiting time.
I'd say jump in now but don't spend too much.
Maybe r9 390? Or fury x if it goes on sale
>>52666364
*good reviews
Oops
>>52665809
Damn nShillia is really shitty
>>52653222
>It's a shame, I'd really rather support AMD as a company
>>52651388
The 950 does beat the 370.
And the 980Ti beats the Fury X on the basis of overclocking only.
>>52656287
Typical gaming:
156 vs 261
Peak gaming: 191 vs 277
maximum:
201 vs 365
I dont know man, but it comes really close to the 2x mark
>>52656576
>installing drivers
Found the pleb. Only install drivers if you have something that isn't working, not before.
>>52643591
The 390 is far better and gives you potentially better DX12/Vulkan support, as well as saving you money on an adaptive sync display
Apparently there's like a 50 dollar price difference in canada for whatever reason, but you'd still save money if you ended up with a free-sync display
>>52644254
The R9 Nano already hovers around there, it's the better buy to be sure
>>52665809
>>52666041
>>52666603
More reasons NOT to use AMD. Even if that's a pretty shitty business practice on behalf of Nvidia, why would I want a card with shittier performance, even if it was forced to do so?
>>52643591
390 is solid. Haven't tried the 970 though.
What's your issue with the drivers though? It's better than it has been for years at the moment.
>>52643591
nvidia is fucking amd, just go with nvidia
>>52643591
>970
Stop being a retard.
Get the 8GB 390
>>52667169
>but you'd still save money if you ended up with a free-sync display
Nothing AMD makes is better than Nvidia, and if it is, it comes 10 months or 2 years later.
just FYI.
>>52667740
but free-sync is already out, and it's already better in terms of display options and pricing
>>52667753
purposely missing the point...
no hope
>>52654705
Those results are not comparable since they use different games for NVIDIA and AMD and there is significant variation in power consumption between different games.
>>52667740
>390 (rebranded 3 year old 290x) already on par with 980 in some recent benchmarks.
>2xx series only sees performance gains
>meanwhile 780 (and older card) users are getting fucked in the ass by nvidia
>3.5
Oh man I can't wait until NVIDIA releases their new line-up and drops their driver support for the 970/980.
Serves you right for letting yourself get jewed.
>>52667816
Thank you for proving me right.
And thing from AMD after the 7x series is good. I have 7950's with no driver issues
