Watch thread
This thread is about the appreciation of watches, as well as the micro-engineering and materials engineering that is required to make a fine watch.
Required viewing for newbies:
https://youtu.be/508-rmdY4jQ
Previous thread
>>52606884
I regret selling this tbqhf
Reminder.
>>52622870
Not that big of a fan of your credor bruh . But each to there own, it's a quality watch none the less
New straps are in
>>52622870
I love the look of the movement, just like my stowa.
>>52623336
Did you know your watches case is Chinese?
Now you do
A shame, their stuff looked good but that's a dealbreaker
Manlet strap hole puncher
>GERMAN QUALITY
>MADE IN CHINA
>JAPAN
SKX009 BTFO ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>52623101
But that's a Weiss?
>>52623569
It sure it, he posted his new credor in the last thread before it wrapped up though, that was what I was referring to
>>52623336
looks almost the same movt
>>52623569
Bottom of last thread m8.
>>52623569
He's refering to the chronograph I posted in the last thread. It's a fairly complicated dial, but actually pretty tame considering it has 7 hands and a date window on it, imo.
>>52623548
is that fucking two tones? vomit inducing.
>>52623637
Post it again Mayne, let everyone else appreciate it
Just not a fan of the aesthetics, to be honest, I'm aware the finish and quality would be something to appreciate but I can't really do that over an Internet forum. You get 10 poimts for not buying into the mountain Jew
new pilot watch
d-ddid i do good /wt/
>>52623637
>>52623629
>>52623635
Should of figured that.
>>52623101
Same, i can respect the quality watch that it is and all but the design just doesn't appeal to me at all.
>>52623692
I like it
>>52623692
What brand?
>>52622870
Is Weiss actually worth it? Looks kinda.like the umpteenth gimmicks military style watch with parts of dubiously American origin to me....
>>52623692
It's not bad, I prefer smaller watches for aesthetics amd there lightness. A pilot watch or a field watch is next on my list
>>52623700
Favourite style is dress anyway. Don't find all that much appealing outside dress watches besides a few
>>52623401
Shit no I didn't. Needless to say I'm disappointed hearing this.
Have you got a sauce?
>>52623692
Stowa flieger?
>>52623903
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f36/stowa-cases-made-germany-they-asia-2452929.html#/forumsite/20758/topics/2452929?page=1
Tl;Dr
>people find out Stowa cases made in China got onto other, cheap watches
>people rightfully call out owner
>he is effusive and without saying "cases are made in China" reveals they sure as hell ain't made in Germany
>watch brand fanboys shill relentlessly
>few people demanding straight up: are the fucking cases made in Germany or not? Get swarmed by fanboys and attacked and given text walls that say the same thing: the cases are not German
>shill owner doesn't bother showing up again because his fanboys do all the work for him
Yeah man. Fuck that company and their gay owner who can't even shill properly.
You want a German watch? Sinn or Damasko
>>52624094
I was inches away from buying a sinn instead as well:
Mine as about 5 years old so hopefully, will me be German or Chinese?
>>52624137
Chinese
You think he just started this outsourcing now because lol? No, when he inherited the company he made it more profitable. Read: cutting corners. Your case is Chinese and he's been using Chinese cases for years
Note: he never ever noted where any cases at any.time under his ownership had been made. Meaning.they all would suffer.from the not German rap.
The guy is a crook just like most watch producers these days
Sinn or Damasko. If you're smart and/or unscrupulous, get that serviced, pawn it off on some schlub who buys the marketing and buy a Sinn.
>>52624137
Straight from the FAQ on their site:
""Even under Schauer's aegis, these have been turbulent times for Stowa, with a lot of pressure being exerted on prices.The young team in Engelsbrand has managed to release this pressure in two ways: on the one hand, Schauer has been systematically and successfully looking for component manufacturers with a more favourable pricing structure, including those in the Far East, he admits. On the other hand, he emphasised that "80 percent of the value of Stowa watches is created in Europe". The company's marketing policy has been changed as well: from a traditional brand to direct sales. Schauer has been selling Stowa almost exclusively on-line for almost three years now (www.stowa.com) or directly from his workshop. Stowa watches have become clearly cheaper as a result of more favourable purchasing terms and the elimination of dealer profit margins"
Chinese rip off dealer man
>80% of value
>case: 30 euro from Chinaman
>labour of engraving STOWA on rotor in Germany: 70 Euro
Heu heu heu more European value :^)
Stowa: not even once
http://loudmouthtim.com/
jesus
>>52624191
Are they using german machine tools for making the cases at least?
>>52624295
No
No they are not
You got shekeled m8 sorry to say
Why would the Chinese use imported industry? They have enough tooling themselves, engineers aplenty, and a willingness to rip off anything
I'm really sorry man because you probably bought a cool watch based on the best info you had, and you got shekeled as a direct result. That watchs case is as German as I am
Which is to say Chinese
>>52624271
That was fucking surreal.
On the topic of german watch cases, anyone have any experience with watch parts from www.german-watch-shop.com? Thinking of getting this case for a project watch. Surprised to see them listing it as 8.8mm in height which is a lot thinner than any automatic I currently own.
>>52623707
thanks
>>52623752
Archimede
>>52623773
It's 42mm, definitely the largest watch I've ever owned, but even on my relatively small wrists it doesn't look out of place
>>52624004
Basically yes but cheaper. This watch is ~535 while the flieger is over twice that at ~1160, and they both have an ETA 2824-2 movement, though Stowa obviously has more history with pilots watches if that's the kind of thing that matters to you. I believe the Stowas hands are also heat-treated while Archimede uses painted hands. The crown on the Stowa is also a uniform shape versus tapered, the dial is 1mm greater in diameter, and uses a slightly different font.
Those differences weren't worth a price difference over $600, so I went with the Archimede.
>>52625220
I'm actually not sure if the hands are painted blue steel or not. It looks to be painted, but I don't have anything else to compare it to.
>caring where a chunk of metal is made
>>52625253
Only the deck watch uses the heat treatment.
>>52625454
Thanks anon
>mfw waiting for my new watch in the mail
I ordered a Chronos disc. Will ship out in May.
https://wearchronos.com/
>>52625706
>>52625725
I would love the idea of my wrist lighting up to notify me of shit.
I've owned a smartwatch and I basically used it to alert me of incoming emails and calls.
Hated the form factor. So this disc would be interesting.
>>52625706
Enjoy your magnetization. Youre watch is gonna BE fucked. I dont understand what retard came up with that idea...
>>52626042
Did you even read the fucking web page - no magnets?
My accutron seems to run more accurately with modern 1.5v batteries than with a 1.33v accucell. I am guessing that that means that it has been regulated to run with 1.5v batteries.
>>52625706
>https://wearchronos.com/
what a complete waste of money
"micro suction adhesive" do you know how much this shit sucks? And it's being advertised as a fitness watch addon?
![UipbADk[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/rxpVvB0.png "UipbADk[1].png")
Are there any watch boxes with pillows for skellywrist watches? The ones I can find dimensions for all seem to hover around 7.5" circumference.
>>52626589
>>52622870
There are six firms in Switzerland making watch movements, and they don't sell to the public.
The names you see in these threads are the companies who design the cases, faces and hands (and sometimes the bands) that house these movements.
>>52626042
Uses adhesive.
The people at CES who tested it out say it works pretty well.
Also i use a NATO strap, so it would be pretty tightly secured between my wrist and the plate.
If it doesn't work out i can simply return it. But if it works out ill be pretty happy.
>>52626378
>And it's being advertised as a fitness watch addon
And a notification system. I don't care if it has health tracking shit or not.
>>52626646
You're supposed to just wrap the strap around or the unclasped bracelet, I don't think you're supposed to really secure the watch onto the pillow as if it were a wrist.
>>52627057
This watch is no fucking Swatch and this movement is not a dressed up ETA.
hey /g/ I know I'm late but what do you guys think of Panerai watches?
>>52627521
Don't start this again.
>>52627521
Luxury products are a little wierd. They have to have the price tag to match a luxury product otherwise they won't be seemed to be exclusive
Other watch brands usually increase quality and marketing to compensate for the high price tag, panerai however do not do this. They charge to much for a arguably gaudy watch
>>52627191
What omega calibre is that?
>>52627858
561, it's right underneath the Ω.
>>52627802
Thanks man. What brand would you recommend for a luxury watch then?
>>52628017
If you want to have a serious chat I'd be more then happy to help. What's ypur budget? And don't let someone on the Internet influence you too much, of you really like panerai you should consider getting one, just keep In mind that there are better watches in terms of value for money
I like grand seiko, but if you are a watch novice it might be a brand to avoid. Rolex are great, but are quite expensive, new omegas are nearly as bad as panerai but have some lovely watches. JLC are quite a good brand
>>52628085
Well I am mainly looking for something that's durable. I've never owned a luxury watch and was looking into getting one.
>>52628115
Do a bit of reading, amd take your time, you don't want to spend a lot of money on a watch which you grow to not be terribly fond of, it tends to happen with a lot first watch purchases
Although this watch is a bit played out and a bit pricey, Rolex submariner is a high end watch intended originally for diving. People will more then likely recognise it (good or a bad thing for some people)
>>52628115
All watches classed as luxury watches (not bullshit fashion watches that cost a lot but deliver very little) are durable. All modern watches are to an extent, but that depends.
What were you planning on doing whilst wearing the watch that you need it to be "durable"?
Just get a gshock.
>>52628219
I just do a lot of trekking and free running so was wondering what I could get that wouldn't look like a mini vault strapped to my wrist.
>>52628264
>I just do a lot of trekking and free running
Yeah don't bother.
Just get a gshock or casio protrek.
You could look at a luxury brand's quartz offerings, but why bother?
Wear according to your environment. The constant jolting running causes isn't exactly prime for mechanical movements and if you fall and smash it you're going to be wishing you'd bought the infinitely cheaper and indestructible gshock instead unless you can just shovel cash away lke there's no tomorrow (in which case you wouldn't be asking this here in the first place).
>>52628369
okay man. Thanks anyway. Was just seeing if there were other options
What does /wt/ think of Audemars' Royal Oak?
>>52628562
Ugh
>>52628609
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Audemars-Piguet-Royal-Oak-36-mm-Gold-Steel-Quartz-watch-/262248924736?hash=item3d0f410640:g:tiwAAOSwoydWnjaU
Is there seriously anything other than the brand that makes this watch worth 5k though? It must be a pretty fucking amazing quartz movement to achieve that valuation in heavily used condition
I regret nothing
>>52628678
I don't really like most subs but this is pretty nice I think
>>52628690
>subs
I meant rolex watches in general, but I was thinking of subs
>>52628678
>not just making your mate in a tea pot
jk, nice gourd
>>52628562
Boring.
That company is capable of so much but all they're known for is that on model that makes up 50%+ of their total sales, so I get why they push it. They know people buy it right up.
I know a guy that has a collection with only variants of this model, but I just don't see the attraction.
![1328295584821[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/e7aN5sh.jpg "1328295584821[1].jpg")
>>52628678
>>52628678
Nice, I like the Mil-gauss. I would've gone for the non-black version myself.
>>52628915
I'd rather have a PP Nautilus over a RO if I wanted a high end sports watch.
>>52629117
>I would've gone for the non-black version myself.
You realize that there's no black version at all and that is a hideous fake?
>>52629233
There's a company called Titan Black that makes custom black luxury watches though. Although I guess it's more likely that's a fake.
do any of you know where I can get a good quality knock off of the Credor Eichi II?
Why do so many hate Panerai styling? I find it simple yet elegant, masculine yet not shouting. I've had watches with much more complicated dials than this but I like the dial a lot. Its just easy to read also, brings back a sense of the old times when you had to have a watch.
Its also pretty versatile, not a in a dressy sense, but can be taken to the gym with rubber strap, on leather for casual, and on the bracelet when your pimpin ya hoes.
>>52629410
Also the subdial seconds hand is a treat.
And movement is great, its nice to handwind a watch, and it looks biriful, even compared to my expensive swiss ones...
>>52629428
Thats pretty nicely decorated for a chink movement, I'm surprised. I actually like the panerai styling, I like it a lot, however I think they are way to expensive and are way to big. It appears most people here are manlets, I'm not, I just prefer smaller watches, if you are a manlet amd prefer smaller sized watches panerai are a no go, so naturally you hate on something you can't obtain
>>52629410
they're huge and boring
also how do you saltwater will probably rape the default leather straps of their "marina militare"
>>52629504
I have rubber strap m8
>>52629474
Yes Im not a manlet definitively (even though my wrist is small) so it looks bigger, but not huge.
>>52629410
It's a big and chucky. Let alone it seems 2big4u.
But besides that it's because Panerai went full mountain jew, shoving out movements that make the chink 6497 seem a lot better.
>>52629301
Those custom painters (there's a couple) mark the dials with their gay and dramatic names.
>>52627191
>hating on ETA
ignorant faggot
>>52622870
>>52626271
are you an audiophile by any chance?
>>52629623
There's no reason to hate on ETA.
Hate should be reserved for those shitty brands that produce no innovation whatsoever and just drop off the shelf parts into their chinesegerman catalog cases to create hideous or bland and uninspired and totally overpeiced pieces of shit.
In fact good on the greedy swatch jew cutting supply of their movements; it's getting all the lazy, shitty brands up and in a panic to find or create an alternative themselves.
Only the strong and smart will survive.
Selling this vintage Komandirskie on jewBay.
Seiko lord matic 5606 with a busted quickset day and date worth how much? I saw one go for 60$ on ebay and there's another in similar condition hovering around there, that seems worth it almost.
Are the parts to fix it really scarce? I know it's like a plastic gear or whatever that tends to break on the 56xx seikos
>>52630270
It's the only real fault of the movement, otherwise it the value shouldn't drop to much if it's in good shape.
>>52630259
Transitional piece it seems, how much are asking for it?
>>52630312
I'm asking for 35€ but would accept 30€ since I'm not paying the shipping. That's what I paid for it back then and the after market leather strap is of a high quality, CCCP brand which is the new Slava. The strap is probably as much worth as the watch.
>>52623401
>>52624094
>>52624256
>>52624191
TL;DR: buy Vostok if you want truly in-house.
>>52629867
>Geneva
It all makes sense now.
>>52630407
Seems alright for a transitional piece, as far as the strap goes it won't really matter.
Guess i should be at fault for wanting to ask the same price for my Poljot because of the strap, and condition.
>>52630428
I mean rolex is in house except for their hands and hairsprings basically.
SKX007/009 or Turtle reissue?
>>52630428
ruski hipster detected.
>>52630428
>tfw Vostok is the one of the very few watch brands on earth that is 100% in house since most high end manufacturers get their hair springs from another company.
>>52630515
and that's why you have to adjust them every other day.
>>52630527
>implying you don't have to adjust any Rolex every few days
>>52630527
>tfw when i adjust my Komandirskie once a week since it gains almost no time
>>52630478
both are ugly
>>52630527
>tfw can't remember the last time adjusting my Amphibia
>tfw I wasn't a dumb shit and regulated it myself
>>52630515
Too bad that 100% gets soiled the moment you replace the shitty bracelet. Also classic Komandirskies and Amphibias are prob. 100% in-house while SE models likely have some foreign parts.
>>52628678
I like that color scheme. People will hate on PVD but I like the way it looks as it wears.
>>52630573
No.
>>52630689
looks like something I'll see an unintelligible South American peasant tour guide wearing
>>52630515
Vostok doesn't seem like such a huge company, why is it that they can be capable of producing everything when other luxury brands which surely have deeper pockets cannot? Is it just from necessity during the Soviet era when they had to produce it themselves because imports from the West were not an option, and now that they have the option of importing they just don't because they already have the capability themselves?
Another fact that I think is neat, by the way, is that the factory that became Raketa was actually a lapidary works in pre-revolutionary Russia. Their experience cutting jewels meant that they got put in charge of producing the bearing jewels for the whole Soviet watch industry.
>>52630689
Is the waffle strap what they come with?
>>52630587
As far as i recall the SS SE bezels are not in-house made, otherwise they are still inhouse.
I don't know if I understand the In house meme.
Like yeah is a feat of engineering or whatever to be able to make all the parts. But making them yourself doesn't necessarily make it better than another company who outsources some small parts
>>52630728
Socialist watch industry was already different from the Swiss watch industry that historically relied on small mom and pop watchmakers making different components, like springs, movements, jewels, cases, leather that all were supplied to watch factories. The Soviet industry relied on factories doing everything themselves (not just in watchmaking but everything) since everything was in the middle of nowhere with no means to outsource. It's just that Vostok has been relying on the same Soviet production equipment for decades.
>>52630790
I think it became a thing with globalism, Swiss factories being able to get components not just from the watchmaker in the neighboring village, but from another continents (made by gook children for a dollar a day).
>>52630790
muh prestige
The problem is that a lot of brands claim to have stuff made in house when they just sourced parts and engraved their name on it.
>>52630790
literally a buzzword for more shekels
Orient and Seiko uses in-house movements and you don't see them jewing people about it
>>52630834
>>52630837
I genuinely don't give a shit who makes hands, hairsprings, indeces. And if the movement is good, especially for the money, I don't much care either. Pretty much same for cases though I look for good construction and finishing.
>>52630728
You have to understand that whilst many Russians from the richer areas and younger generation look down on them they still have a huge domestic market. In Russia one costs about 20 USD at highest in rubles for a komandirskie. Usually closer to 10-15. 30 maybe or 40 for an Amphibian.
They still have a huge number of workers whose labour is cheap and also desired to keep in Russian. There's been rumours the factory might shut down I doubt it it's a huge industry by all accounts making some money and for certain getting at least some Patriotic welfarebux
Better for us end users because we get glorious Russian made watches for dimes compared to anything else made by actual skilled technicians, who being from Chistopol many times had family members work in the same factory
Of course the reason it existed was for the socialist country to have domestic production which was seen as vital for defence and independence and this eas true. Also lead to the Komandirskie so awesome
>>52630790
Not necessarily better, but many times iy is good. The Russian bras cases probably aren't as good as steel Chinese ones buy they're much cheaper and still good quality for what they are. They are also made according to their traditions in Russia
I love Chinese watches ehat I hate is being charged more than they're worth because some unscrupulous company with marketing shekels makes me pay it. Case in point Stowa. They charge German prices for Chinese parts
>>52630469
>I mean rolex is in house except for their hands and hairsprings basically.
Nope.
They make those themselves actually.
One of the few swiss that do.
>>52630469
>>52631399
what group is Rolex with? are they swatch?
>>52631354
See that's true. If I can get a quality case for cheaper, that's great, but you are absolutely right that many companies will pay 20$ for their outsourced case, 200$ for the movement (if they are going to use ETA), and charge 800$ for the watch
>>52631425
Rolex are Rolex. They own Tudor which serves as an "affordable" brand.
>>52631425
Rolex is with the Rolex group.
They are an independent charity.
One of the few swiss independents.
>>52631469
How the fuck is Rolex owned by a private charity anyway? That's some pretty slippery mountain jew shit. But yes, Rolex is one of the few companies that managed to stay truly independent and privately owned and didn't get sucked into some shitty conglomerate.
>>52631465
>They own Tudor which serves as an "affordable" brand.
They own and design tudor, but don't make it.
The outsource production to and as of yet unknown swiss compsnyiand they oversee final qc and assembly.
So don't think you're getting an affordable sister brand like american tourister is to smsonite or whatever if you buy one (clueless consumers are under this impression lhey don't even use rolex calibers, just standard eta.
Regardless, their qc work on tudor is great.
>>52622870
I liked it better when the thread was about the "appreciate" of watches
>>52631399
Last I checked they didn't make their hands (a weird thing to source imo), and some other small parts. But maybe that's changed. I know they make the vast majority of their own stuff, including their own gold and steel
>>52631514
>How the fuck is Rolex owned by a private charity anyway?
When the founder died he left the company to a trust in his name that still runs the company.
Slippery mountain jew magic indeed, as there's some kind of massive gaping mountain sized vagina tax hole involved iirc.
>>52631539
I wasn't aware of the fine details, my mistake.
I do like many of the Tudor designs, more than Rolex but I wouldn't say no to a Sub or a Milgauss.
>>52631575
Are trustees entitled to large salaries or are they meant to do something "charitable" with profits?
>>52631578
This outsourcing is only rumored and not confirmed.
I do like their black bays, but would prefer a rolex caliber inside rather than an eta.
Little better than your typical sub homage that litter the market.
>>52631605
>or are they meant to do something "charitable" with profits?
They do stuff. I recall something about a charitable watchmaking school so even their charity leads to company gains since the graduates all join rolex.
I don't know what they give out.
Since it's a private entity and not a public company there's scant public accesible info about them.
>>52631560
It wouldn't surprise me. I don't understand why people expect every watch company to be its own fucking island totally independent and unaware of the rest of the industry and totally unreliant on outside help. Of course they all communicate with each other and buy things from each other and rip off of each other's popular designs and innovations. Historically the whole Swiss industry was a big backwards cousinfucking family where everybody would buy things from everybody else from small parts to whole ebauches. Then suddenly I guess it became cool to make everything yourself so they all had to pretend that they're all "in-house" and always have been.
The only companies that have always been serious about "in-house" and vertical integration have been companies like Seiko and Citizen and the Soviet factories, and they all did that out of necessity and isolation from the rest of the industry and not because it's actually inherently better. Half the Swiss companies all come from a tiny little valley, there's no reason why they shouldn't ever have collaborated.
>>52631609
I tried on the Heritage Chrono Blue in a store and it was difficult to walk away from it. There's an anon who posts sometimes in /wt/ with one. I love the colours.
>>52631560
>including their own gold and steel
This is exceedingly rare.
Few (fewer than those that make their own in house movements) make their own cases in steel or anything else from scratch like rolex does. They don't have the infrastructure for it.
This is why I'm fonder of Damasko over Sinn as far as German brands go; damasko make their own cases and movements (they can, some are still eta) but Sinn outsources both these essentials.
In fact damasko used to make sinn's cases for them when old helmut sinn himself ran his company but when he was chased out or whatever mr. damasko found that he couldn't work with the new ceo.
Niw sinn gets sugg to make their cases.
>>52631575
Also funny while we're on the topic of Rolex's history and their obsession with muh in-house. Rolex was founded in London by two German and English partners to import watches from Switzerland or later to assemble them themselves from Swiss movements and British cases. They only moved to Switzerland later to avoid wartime taxes.
Tudor with their ETA movements and alleged outsourcing is more true to Rolex history than actual modern Rolex is.
>>52631655
There's one of those schools in my state. It's free tuition but students have to supply their own tools (they estimate 7k in costs), and it's 5 day a week 10 hour a day program or something like that.
There is no housing so I would need to rent an apartment in the area and with that class schedule that might be difficult to afford because most jobs that have the flexible hours would have shit wages
>>52630728
Some speculation: due to the socialist economy being socialist and the people being relatively poor, they probably didn't go full SHUT ALL THE FACTORIES DOWN AND FIRE THE WATCHMAKERS when quartz happened.
>There's been rumours the factory might shut down
Gotta hope that doesn't happen. If it does though, I'll buy like 4-6 more Vostoks and some parts. I love these watches.
That said I honestly doubt that. They're trendy/popular among watch fans/hipsters and they can afford to push out special editions all the time, and as you said, I'm sure they sell pretty well in Russia as well (imagine if you could buy truly US made watches for $20 in the US, that'd be popular as shit)
>>52629889
This is not psuedoscience. The accutrons used to use batteries made out of mercury that ran at 1.33v. Those batteries can not be sold in the US anymore. The new batteries use silver, and they run at 1.5v. You have to either have the watch adjusted/insert a transistor, or get a battery that runs at the proper voltage to fix the speed issue.
>>52631692
>I don't understand why people expect every watch company to be its own fucking island totally independent and unaware of the rest of the industry and totally unreliant on outside help. Of course they all communicate with each other and buy things from each other and rip off of each other's popular designs and innovations. Historically the whole Swiss industry was a big backwards cousinfucking family where everybody would buy things from everybody else from small parts to whole ebauches. Then suddenly I guess it became cool to make everything yourself so they all had to pretend that they're all "in-house" and always have been.
This is a very good point and something everyone here should be aware of when ranting against non-inhousery.
The swiss watchmaking industry managed to surpass the english, french and german makers pre-ww1 not only because of their engineering contributions to the science, but also because their production was essentially factory assembly line style with entire towns doing one part or section or other. How else could your beat the behemoth that invented the industrial revolution in the first place?
You look at the history of JLC or Piaget (especially poor piaget - it's the least respected yet historically important watch companies) - they all made ebache's (naked movements with or without escapements) for practically every other brand out there. Piaget used to supply longines, omega, AP and rolex.
Many, many patek philippe or vacheron & constantin (so, top of the pops) used JLC ebauches or innovations.
The swiss watchmaking industry is one of the most incestuous (figuratively and literally, as far as the workers go at any rate) ever devised by man.
>tfw have the money for a new Speedy but don't want to give the jews my money
Also, is there a reason that Jomashop sells the Hesalite version new for the same price as a used one on ebay or chrono24?
>>52631921
/cont
However, in this day and age people have come to expect "more". And by people what I really mean is us losers: those that give more than a mild shit what's ticking away inside there because you can be sure as hell that 99% of people that go into a watch shop to buy something don't give a rat's ass and just want something that looks nice or something that they think will increase their social worth.
>"no mista I no wan Lange becos no wan kno i have money i need rolex or patek"
(fucking mainlanders)
But with the autistes that have enough money to spend on something costiler and more superfluous than a casio, we all like to know what's under the hood.
I think a lot of people (quite rightly) take issue when they discover that any given brand is really just a casemaker (if even that) rather than a watchmaker. But that's watch BRANDS for you.
But then they ask: why does it cost this much here, when the parts are identical to the parts in this cheaper brand?
(fucking tag and panerai)
Autists wan't to know where their money is going, or, rather, they want to know the degree of ripoffery.
It's all a rip, but in degrees.
And it really is just us.
I used to hang around a watch store when I was a student and the worker there was nice enough to indulge me and not chase me away. I was chatting to him about the old smegma railmasters when some oblivious guy blew into the store asking to look at such and such.
Watch guy shows it to him (think it was oris), and then the guy asks:
>"My friend's into watches and said I should ask if this brand has "in-house movements", whatever that means."
Me and watch guy shared a look as I left the store that said: oh great, another fucking faggot that's been lurking WUS and spreading his half-formed opinions and autism everywhere.
>>52632008
/final
So, there's nothing wrong with eta shit. Just be aware of the degree of ripoff you are experiencing with any given brand.
But remember: it's all a ripoff.
A osama-casio or a your fucking phone tells the time.
Some brands use exclusively ETA (or other stock) movements - or eta clones: sellita and soprod - these are coming around more because swatch is going to totally stop selling it's movements to brands outside of the group by next year, so these enterprising cloners have stepped up to make the common eta movements everyone uses whose patents have long expired.
Some brands will use these stock movements straight, others will pretty them up a bit, others will tinker with them, others will modify them heavily so the base may be the same, but it's recognizable to the base any longer.
1.Using a stock movement?
Let's just say it's a swiss! or japan! movement and leave it at that.
2.Adding a rotor with the company logo?
Let's call it our AC123 Caliber!
3.Use an innovative new silicon escapement?
Our AB123 caliber!
4.Modify the fuck out of the base movement such that even stock parts will no longer even work with it?
Our AC123 caliber! (nomos does this with their older calibers - their new shit is all theirs).
So it's all in degrees, with the only reprehensible one being 1 and 2, since they add no value of their own but it's only an issue if you're being extorted price wise.
One thing about stock movements: they are infinitely easier to get repaired, and there are spares lying around that will last centuries.
Your obscure in-house brand that lies in a dead volcano in madagascar that's only accessible every 2 leap years when the moon is full and venus is in the eighth house or uranus?
Guess where you've gotta send your shit if anything goes wrong.
You can learn to fix and eta movement yourself online.
You Seiko meme'rs are hilarious. When will you accept that your brand will never carry the same prestige that real Swiss ones do?
>>52632169
This is only about movements; I didn't go into cases, hands, dials and all other shit since that's a whole other can of fuckery.
Sorry for all the spelling and grammatical mistakes - I've not slept in a day and am fueled by coffee and paranoia.
>>52632007
Buy a used one, then the Jews aren't getting your money directly. There are tons of alternatives as well, but a Speedmaster is still plenty of watch for the money.
>>52632193
>real swiss brands
Seiko isn't pretending to be swiss like many of the brands you were probably referring to
>>52632236
A used speedy on Chrono24 is 3.5k
A new one on Jomashop is 3.5k
What exactly is going on here?
>believing the mountain jew
Swiss watches literally had to ban Seiko from Swiss Watch competitions because they kept winning and stealing prestige in accuracy and complications. I can only wonder what the brand landscape would look like if they continued.
>>52631841
>I'm sure they sell pretty well in Russia as well
Not necessarily.
When it all fell apart so did a lot of these companies and industries not only because of lack of govt support, but also because of no enduring local consumer support.
I'd bet that vostok and the other russians export more watches than they sell internally.
Soviets just didn't want their domestically produced stuff and got all the juicy foreign shit they'd always heard about when it was all over.
It's sad. I remember a thread on /co/ where a russian was lamenting that when they were opened up to the west russian kids no longer wanted to watch their old cartoons, and now they're essentially forgotten and the animators that strove so hard to at least provide the children living under communism some token of joy remain unknown and unremembered.
I think something similar happened with watches.
>>52632266
Jomashop is pretty cheap and chrono24 is pretty expensive. $3500 is less than MSRP new but it's more than common ebay used prices.
>>52632193
I didn't buy prestige, I bought a watch.
>>52632288
Well Omega has always been very popular in Japan (see for instance the metric fucking asston of reduced speedmasters for sale in Japan for cheap) and Seiko was very interested in acquiring them when Omega was circling the drain in the late 70s. However the Swiss government intervened and bailed out Omega and then Nicolas Hayek came along and bought them up instead. I honestly truly believe Omega would've been better off under Seiko as a prestige semi-independent Credor or GS tier brand than under Swatch as an emaciated well milked cash cow, but oh well.
>>52632266
http://www.chrono24.com/en/search/index.htm?dosearch=true&query=311.30.42.30.01.005&searchexplain=1&sortorder=1
I think the ref numbers are different on some of them. I don't know the specifics though. The above searched ref number is the same as the one on Jomashop for $3.5k.
>>52632266
Jomashop is a greymarket dealer.
I wouldn't deal with them anyway.
Read the blowback on the typical forums concerning some faggots' experiences.
May not have an issue, or may have an expensive issue.
Do your research, and buy the seller not the item.
>>52630478
Get the SKX as they will be discontinued soon.
>>52632360
Try searching for the older refs then. iirc that's the new 'moonwatch' with screws in the links instead of pins, and that black case with some other guff with it.
>>52632363
>I wouldn't deal with them anyway.
Any reason why?
Do they not do returns or something?
http://www.jomashop.com/fortis-watch-597-22-11-m.html
Not a bad price actually, shame I don't live in the US.
>>52632288
Ironically enough, despite all the triumphs and superiority of seiko (real or weebmagined), japs in japland hunger, just like thirsty fucks the world over, for "Swiss Made".
They want their Rolex, their Patek Philippe, their Omega and every other brand with a massive advertising budget.
Grand seiko, apart from the odd special boutique, are not as highly regarded internally as the slavering weeaboo would have you expect.
It's sad, but it's true.
The swiss have everyone fooled that they are the best forever, it's part of their magic (that and keeping out of european wars).
Hopefully the nascent german uhrenfabrik will help the japs blast the mountain jews that deserve blasting off their pinnacles.
>>52632340
How genuine is Jomashop?
Are they trustable?
Their price is significantly lower than authorized distributors
>>52631749
The Damasko patriarch and Sinn CEO apparently hate each other. I don't know but it sounds plausible as they had a great collaboration and now won't acknowledge each other
However Sinn does make its own cases in a roundabout case. They aren't made in Frankfurt but they are in Glashutte by SUG, who is their wholly owned subsidiary and make cases for other brands but mostly for Sinn. Sinn even made watches and cases for other companies like Bell and Ross back in the day.
>>52631841
This isn't fully true. People weren't as poor as you think or as hard done by, especially those in industrial (especially light industrial) trades. However for certain they retained the industry because they were made for national planned consumption rather than market. Still great watches. The factory won't close though I feel it's only ever been rumours and for certain they receive enough business and state support to operate.
>>52632222
Quads confirm epic post definitely love it
Also love your hatred for WUS faggots. And I agree ETA is fine but so long ad the product is good
And
>fucking mainlanders
As a born and bred second genner this is true. My Chinese relatives are tasteless fucks especially the ones still in Hong Kong
>>52632322
I think this is partially true. Therr are certianly however people who are buying Vostok in Russia because it's cheap or muh nostalgia. However the global market is also keeping it alive so that's true
About culture this is absolutely true. The era of socialism actually had quite a rich culture, even in the above-board world and it was forgotten or destroyed in large part largely by the younger generation. Partially by apathy and partially by design. Gorbachev and ultimately Yeltsin wanted to destroy socialist ideas and Soviet nostalgia and went out of their way to demonize and destroy images of the past which was Unsuccessful with the older generations but worked with the younger who had never lived under socialism.
>>52631609
>I do like their black bay
But the C60 Trident has 90% of the looks and the same movement for £2k less.
>>52623311
how much is the wankman?
i feel like i need one, is it a perpetual calendar? or set once a month.
>>52632398
I recall reading some account of some guy getting sent something that was just dodge - whether it was all out fake or mishmash franken, I can't remember.
But regardless, if you're aiming at low end swatch group stuff, something relatively inexpensive like hamilton or tissot or mido or whatever, then why not go grey market? But if you're shelling out for something that costs much more, well, you're going to want to purchase from somewhere official, and AD so that you get the damn warranty.
Cheap stuff? Why not. Over a grand? I would look elsewhere or at least research the fuck out of joma before clicking buy.
>>52623548
>gold bezel on silver watch
>inner bezel different lume than dial
>dat chode hourhand
try again
>>52632444
They are greymarket.
You do not get any official warranty.
If something goes wrong you're up shit creek without a paddle and only a rapehungry hillbilly for company.
>>52625752
oh they light up?
i thought it was a fitness tracker not a "smart addon"
might be neat
kinda pricy, i'll wait till reviews are out, not going to pre-order tech, fucking ever.
>>52632444
I think they do some weird practices where they don't stock most of their merchandise, like there is no giant joma shop warehouse with thousands of rolexes and oris et cetera.
They probably drop ship with the companies who let them and and just make orders scarcely with those who don't. They might only order their own stock after most of that order is already sold
>>52632431
I agree
Long live the Nazi-Nippone- I mean, German-Japanese alliance. Remove fondue
>>52632444
>>52632363
Don't buy from Jomashop
They are Jews and also just ship shit in via whatever back channel means they have to ship it to you. You're better off on watchrecon
>>52632470
>The Damasko patriarch and Sinn CEO apparently hate each other. I don't know but it sounds plausible as they had a great collaboration and now won't acknowledge each other
I seem to recall reading that when Mr.Sinn ran Sinn Damasko and them did fine. But the exact circumstances of H.Sinn's exit from his own company are cloudy and I don't believe it was an amicable transfer. Sinn's come on the record and says that he "deeply regrets" the sale and has since started another company. Whether he was chased out of his own company as I seem to remember reading or not, I'm not sure.
But yeah, the Sinn/Damasko partnership dissolved after that. I think Helmut Sinn was great friends with Konrad Damasko, and may have aided him in setting up his own watch brand.
>by SUG, who is their wholly owned subsidiary
Oh I didn't know that (although I should have since you are right Sinn did make cases for Bell & Fag before). So it's like what Grand Seiko do with their little gimp casemaking company.
>>52632475
I still like how they look. Doesn't mean I'm going to shell out to buy one.
Thanks for the heads up for CW though, I haven't looked at their line in years.
>>52632475
>two-tone polish on case and bracelet
This kills the watch
Bought a 16mm nato strap for the terrorist. Fucking hell I should learn to google before ordering.
>>52632548
Yeah for sure Helmuts exit from Sinn is shrouded in mystery and he's quite bitter about the trajectory they've taken and his role outside of it since.
I'm inclined to agree. Whilst they still make superb watches, they have clearly raised their prices and began doing something Helmut was always against: glossy presentation and marketing (even if unofficial). In addition the new owner has made many new models many of which are fashiony or trendy. I love my 856 and would gladly own another Sinn but they clearly have shortcomings and have been causing costs to rise whilst attracting a different demographic. And of course alienating the Damasko family. If their children are anything to gauge by, they are lovely people who are probably very hard to piss off.
SUG for its part is great because it makes actual German cases. Whilst Bell and Fag are expensive marketing based shit their Sinn models and designs were actually good. There was a time they did just make functional tool watches.
Then they just milked it for everything it's worth
First watch
How'd I do?
>>52633017
Hope you paid less than $20.
>>52633017
>fake subdials
Are you serious nigger
>>52633017
this is bait
>>52632246
But the Rolex 114060 is better mechanically and aesthetically than anything Seiko has made in their entire history.
>>52633110
>aesthetically
It's just your average diver.
>>52633017
>>52633074
>>52633076
>>52633089
Kekd hard
It was $15
>>52622870
You can't appreciate consumerist bullshit.
Get off of /g/, this board is about technology, not consumers.
>>52633153
You can get a much better watch for this price. You can get an actually decent watch for $40.
You really wasted your money no matter how little you think it is.
>>52630753
Pretty much everything non standard is not in house. The dial, the hands, the crown, the bracelet.
>>52631354
The factory already went bankrupt once. It's currently on the rise, and I'm sure their military contract helps. They will be slowly upgrading their equipment to better compete with global brands but they are still doing okay as is.
>>52632322
The Komandirskie actually does immensely well domestically. The Amphibian not so much.
What do you guys think of Obris Morgan? I'm looking to get the explorer II in a couple of weeks
>>52633273
Seems to be a good watch, but take note of the lug to lug distance.
>>52633223
>went bankrupt once
That was a rumour about it closing when it was just shutting down for Christmas. Came from a few years back. They're gonna be good though. Didn't realize they had a military contract but it makes sense.
As for the Komandirskie I knew it did because it was cheap and iconic.
Best watch for a minimalistic look to go along with my minimalist Linux desktop?
>>52633110
>better
>aesthetically
Oh you mean the obese piece of shit created by a cynical marketing team to appease arab shit and chinese scum?
Sorry Mohammed bin Wangchinxiao, I don't share your ideal of aesthetics.
>>52633419
>Rolex 114060
it may have larger lugs or whatever that should be called but jesus, its a really modest sized watch either way
people wear far larger seiko divers and whatnot all the time
>>52633337
The watch has 42mm diameter without the crown, and lug to lug distance is 51mm.
I have small wrists so I think that's about the biggest watch I can wear without looking ridiculous
>>52627521
It's one of those decent watches like IWC or AP that /wt/ hates for no good reason.
Will there be any other WIS memers (besides me and the wakmann extrordinaire) coming to the Rolex 24 this weekend?
muh adorable steel blob
>>52633609
I might be going. The 'ol lady entered for tickets in the Orlando MINI owners group raffle thing. I really want to go but can't rightfully pay for it right now.
I have a BR01 with an olive drab nylon strap though in case you spot me.
>>52633609
What is the association between those watches and Embry Riddle? That seems to be a pretty random picture...
>>52633653
will keep an eye out, wakmann owner further up the friend loves BR's so I'm sure he'd pick it out of the crowd
>>52633666
snapchat memes/the alpha "daytona"
>>52633599
Agreed, I love my special edition PAM318L. It's nice and big so it's easy to see at the club, all the bimbos notice and compliment me on my expensive watch and then they go home with me and have sex with me after I buy them expensive stuff. I even have one of the super special recalled early models with the unique movement finishing, so I know my watch is a great investment which will be worth even more to collectors in the future. I like it so much that I bought 27 different straps for it and now my bedroom is completely covered in Sylvester Stallone movie posters.
>>52633599
This board has a weird fascination on watches that look dull as fuck, just look at 90% of the boring shit that is posted here.
If I ever spend serious money on a luxury watch, I'll make sure that I get something different rather than the usual Submariner or Seamaster.
>>52631889
you're right. i noticed the same effect in my mono-directional ethernet-cable. with it, websites load much faster than with a cheaper standard-issue cable.
>>52633975
There is no comparison there. Running a circuit at the wrong voltage will cause it to work improperly. You are probably just baiting.
>>52634019
that or he's just a goddamn retard who doesn't know shit about how technology functions
its a common issue on old cameras as well, their light meters may be unreliable with todays batteries
>>52633789
thats sort of a boring watch as well desu baka bbq senpai
>>52633504
ROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEX
It may only just look big, but nu-rolex is fucking fugyly as fuck and a travesty to its history and heritage.
It's a step away from panerai, bling bling nigger shit.
At least there's one or two models that have resisted the change.
Vintage (pre2012) Rolex > current dubai by way of beijing styling
>>52634065
Calm down nig.
>>52634110
What a shitty generic looking diver.
>>52634065
>tfw i think my fake looks better than a modern rolex
i feel you there bro
half of that shit i swear is just to help agasint clones
but tis sad my rep looks better than a modern real rolex
>>52634019
>>52634055
i know, right? the electrons in my duracells perform much better than the electrons of my no-name batteries.
>>52634065
This is timeless design.
in 10 years time the current sub will look like shit
>>52634110
>>52634273
t. archieluxury
>>52634183
Anon please don't be a retard. Different types of batteries have different properties: some maintain their tension better while the current slowly drops, some maintain the current as the tension drops or fluctuate...
Old electronics were much more dependant on the power source, while modern ones have power regulation circuits making up for the differences in power sources.
Thus old electronics are easily disturbed by improper power sources. This is valid for anything, from radio players whose frequencies are fucked up, to the first electronic cameras whose light meters and shutter times were easily altered by improper batteries.
>>52634320
so you're saying that with newer batteries my vintage dildo will have a more constant vibration-frequency?
>>52634320
>taking bait this hard
>>52633347
No, they literally bankrupt before being brought up under new management.
>>52634320
It's because mercury button cells were honestly much better than anything we have today aside from obvious environmental concerns. Mercury batteries have a very constant voltage over their entire life so they don't require any compensation for changing voltage unlike modern batteries which steadily lose voltage over their entire life which has to be corrected for with more circuitry.
Thoughts on high-quality replicas?
So this is what happens when someone unleashed /wt/ from their containment thread.
>>52634755
Forgot pic.
>>52634726
>IWC
desu if it uses an eta movement whats the difference
How much did that Credor cost last thread? Damn thing looks awesome, but i think am a bigger fan of the simpler version
>pic related
>>52634065
It looks horrifically fat in photographs but calm down son it's still a 40mm watch
>>52634985
>swollen indices
>glossy bezel
>ROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEX
You don't even need to fat shame it; it's just ugly.
It's mechanically superior internally, yes, but ugly,
>>52634773
>>52634755
The leddit watch discussions are infinitely worse.
Of course it is
>leddit
after all.
/wt/ isn't half as bad as here or even WUS which is nothing but sychophants trying to justify purchases that they shouldn't have made considering their circumstances.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us5gCKs1JDI
>its an instanteneous jumping minute hand
>its really the mark of a really high end chronograph
kek, even seagull does that
>>52633599
>hates for no good reason
>>52633735
kek
Not that far off the mark (serious)
If you consider yourself in good company when you find yourself in the midst of an orgy consisting of:
>gulf arab jabba the hutts
>mainland chinese nouveu riche that smell of sweat and soya sauce with 5" wrists
>guido types that would fellate a 5ft tall orange stallone if they met him who buy panerai because they think it's italian kek
Then please, feel free to buy a panerai.
Pic related, that's what you'll get:
A stock, unaltered, unregulated movement thrust into a case of unknown providence and rammed up your loose asshole for the measly price of $9000.
Remember, it's a collector's item you will pass down to your anal-spawn for generations!
>>52634936
Less than half of what my GS cost. Pretty good deal, really.
You should see it in person. I really wasn't a huge fan of the model when I saw the initial images online.
>>52635195
>A stock, unaltered, unregulated movement
Which you can buy for like, 50 bucks.
>>52635217
Ah 9fur, did you get your credit by now?
>>52633789
>TOPGUN
>TOPTOP
>TOP FUCKING KEK
Please.
https://youtu.be/gkIrKx2QqI0
>>52634800
REKT
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>>52630463
Know where I could get my hands on that watch, I love the look of it.
>>52634936
>hand painted indices like on a 30$ HMT indian poointheloo
>>52634242
>in 10 years time the current sub will look like shit
Yep.
Big watch meme will end, and all these companies will come to realize the mistake they made tbhfam
>>52635235
I assume you are getting auto-corrected from Credor every time you say credit. Unless you are trying to suggest I'm pulling an Archie here, which I am not.
>>52635217
Nice NineBall, mind sharing a few more photos you lucky bastard?
>>52635350
At least it was painted by qt nipponese heighth of cleanliness rather than some disgusting bangladeshi slave with shit all over their hands.
If you open the caseback of a hmt shit will ooze out. True fact.
>>52635342
I'm going to to put the watch in the pic for sale on eBay tomorrow or in Thursday, depends when i get some time. Raketa will be put up too.
Not enough light here to take a proper picture of the movement (And also using a shite camera).
>>52635380
Crappy joke mostly.
But if that's the power reserve indicator, it reminds me of windshield wiper.
>>52635419
So what should I search for tomorrow I'm willing to buy it.
>>52635395
It's hard to tell with my shitty phone camera, but even the date wheel is textured.
>>52635419
Well I can assure you I have not pulled an Archie, I don't owe any money.
And yes, that's a PR indicator. Pointing to the hallow circle means no power, the filled in circle is half, the filled in circle with the circle around it is full
>>52635499
Your photo quality is fine, it's a mighty fine piece. How long have you been saving up for it? Unless your like Lawyerfag and are rich.
>>52635476
I'll probably post a link in the WUS /f29/ forum.
Though otherwise i don't think it'll matter much if i post the link here.
Since I'll be asking 35 euros for the watch with only the Bund strap (or 38 euros for it with the nato in the 2nd pic too) plus what ever the shipping costs for it will be (Shouldn't be more the 10$).
>>52635499
I didn't really think you did pull an Archie.
>>52633223
>The Komandirskie actually does immensely well domestically. The Amphibian not so much.
I wonder what the reason is for this.
Is it just the designs? Or is it purely because the Koms are cheaper?
>>52633205
>You can get a much better watch for this price. You can get an actually decent watch for $40.
Can you? I never visited this thread because I thought you guys are snobs that pay at least several hundred for your watches. What would you recommend @ 50$?
>>52635527
I'm less regimented with my money than I should be, I just make sure my savings continue to grow.
Probably like six months or so ago I decided I had up to 5k to spend on a watch. I looked at watches online, looked at watches in store, looked at more online, bought a man on the moon and decided I didn't like it and sold it, looked at watches in stores, including a lot in Hong Kong, looked at more online and then eventually acquired this.
>>52635681
Not bad NineBall, you planning on keeping the Credor or selling it on like your man on the moon?
>>52635552
I live in the US I'm willing to pay shipping will that be a problem?
>>52635380
>printing doesn't even match the flat surface
>>52635499
>again, printing isn't placed correctly
Gross.
>>52635681
>including a lot in Hong Kong
Can you recommend any stores that aren't dodge?
I've been browsing the Kenwatches shop since it's one of the few that gets feedback on the typical forums.
Curious: in your watch hunt in HK, did you see many 2nd hand grand seiko's?
Did you recall their selling price vis a vis street prices?
>>52635760
God just take the fucking chinese-german cock out of your mouth for five seconds you cuck.
Of course, you'd be banned forever if you said this in their paid for shill platform that is the stowa board.
>>52635667
Vostok Komandirskie.
Now on a new strap.
>>52635752
Shouldn't be much of an issue, assuming it's the continental US and you have no issues with kikes; shipping should be somewhere in the 10~15 USD region.
Also consider pic related as to why i'm waiting for a lil bit of sunlight to take pics.
>Vostok
I've been wanting to get into this but all their designs look like something from a Chernobyl gift shop. Do they have more contemporary designs for their diving watches?
I've also seen Vostok-Europe, is that as legit?
>>52631841
>imagine if you could buy truly US made watches for $20 in the US, that'd be popular as shit
try $1
>>52624094
WUS retards singlehandedly inflated Stowas price from initial $300 to the $1k+ now
I know ball is shit for various reasons.
I know that this is tacky and dumb.
But I just lurve glowing shit and I want a moonphase that has a glowy moon.
Anyone else want absolutely useless complications that just look nice?
