In an age when you practically can't buy a non-16:9 display, how the fuck can't some developers comprehend the importance of vertical space?
>>52575162
looks fine to me. you might have developing OCD, OP.
I thought the exact same thing when I tried gnome
Got back to unity in no time
>>52575174
Unity is the exact fucking same anon.
>>52575162
>buy monitor with vertical pivot
>???
>op is a fag
>>52575162
That's why GNOME applications are moving to client-side decorations and moving the menus into the top bar where and when it makes sense.
>>52575194
>laptop
>monitor with vertical pivot
Also
>having to buy a new monitor because my DE is autistic
>>52575205
That still means you can't undecorate them.
it doesn't bother me that it's there, it bothers me that it's a clock and a gigantic blank space and the name of the currently-focused application which is COMPLETELY USELESS instead of a task switcher like literally every other modern operating system has had since the mid-90s
>>52575194
>you're holding it wrong
worse than applefags.
>>52575162
I don't think half a centimetre of vertical space is as valuable as you think it is.
That being said. gnome does a good job of hiding the excess bits and pieces for when you need them by sliding your mouse over the activities corner. Pretty good idea imo. I'd say my desktop looks pretty minimal while I'm working compared to most other OSs.
Install Mate or Xfce. Dont be a cuck.
>>52575205
Problem with Gnome is the default theme has a HUGE top bar by default. I understand the justification for client side decorations, but it means that Gnome software doesn't work well on any other OS/DE, and other software doesn't work well on Gnome. On a small screen, anything below 1600x900, you lose soooo much space.
>>52575228
The currently focused app brings up a menu on most Gnome software. Not really useless, though it's be better if it had the functionality of Unity's globalmenu.
You can add a task switcher with one of Gnome's extensions.
>>52575247
But look, you are on a large resolution, where Gnome 3 works ok. On a small laptop screen it's almost unusable.
>>52575247
>I don't think half a centimetre of vertical space is as valuable as you think it is.
You wouldn't believe. But why would I consider the opinion of someone who browses the net on a browser that isn't even maximized.
Also, KDE for example allows similar behavior with the docks. Alas, KDE contains a ton of other annoying shit like inconsistent keyboard bindings across system menus.
>can't navigate Dolphin and by keyboard because the cursor gets stuck at arbitrary points
>https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=237553
>this bug is now 6 years old familia
What a fucking joke
>>52575259
>Mate
Vertical taskbar is buggy as fuck and borderline useless, must be the Gnome genes
>XFCE
Retarded multi monitor support
>inb4 use a WM
Hooray I can't wait to mess with config files for the rest of my life
>>52575162
Just buy a 1:1 display.
>>52575173
I believe you mean CDO
>>52575224
>>52575240
>laptop
Isn't it time you put your fedoras in the trash already?
>>52575259
>not using superior gorgeous cinnamon
>>52575352
>>>>having to buy a new monitor because my DE is autistic
>>>having to buy a new monitor because my DE is autistic
>>having to buy a new monitor because my DE is autistic
You know what I'd rather spend money on? A decent DE. But everything is freetarded shit and I only have choice between shit and shit (because muh free beer).
>>52575369
Try Plasma 5, if you aren't using an Nvidia card, there aren't any crashes anymore. Unlike Gnome, it has options and settings.
>>52575367
Cinnamon is a fine hybrid of GNOME's stiffness, MATE's bugs and KDE's resource munchery.
>>52575386
See >>52575309
But yeah, KDE is easily the least bad DE I've tried. Emphasis on least bad.
fixed that for you, OP
>>52575419
Nice work fampai
>>52575419
Domo arigato Hiroshima-san
>>52575409
I've actually found that KDE 5 has been faster than Gnome 3 was. Gnome 3 didn't eat memory, but it chugged on the CPU if you did anything remotely intensive. I was really surprised, because last time I tried it, it was a buggy mess that lagged like hell, but I guess they've got some kind of acceleration working now.
>>52575162
>inconsistent keyboard bindings in kde
what are you talking about?
Menus have the hotkey alt+underlined letter
other hotkeys are set through though the searchable interface or by writing to the config file.
If you use the interface, it will promt you with a warning if you set a hotkey already set.
I really don't see the problem with this approach.
Dolphin is one of the only file managers useable from a keyboard.
Tab switches between the selected control, once you change the size of thumbnails, twice you go to the terminal and as always, shift reverses the function.
4:3 1600x1200 master race
>>52575463
The resource eating is the least of those problems and I could deal with it (like I am with wangdowns), but not with those other factors. I don't see a single reason why anybody would use Cinnamon over any other DE.
>>52575491
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=237553
It isn't even an obscure bug (or rather bugs, because a lot of related but dissimilar ones got marked as duplicates), I've literally encountered it not even 3 minutes into using the system.
>>52575534
I couldn't reproduce your bug.
>>52575590
Open system settings
Move down to network with the keyboard
>>52575162
Just use Cinnamon.
>>52575599
yes?
I just pressed down a few times and then enter to get there?
How was I supposed to fuck that up?
>>52575599
The only "problem" I can see is that you can only move in 4 directions
The moves I marked are not legal
>>52575630
Literally can't move down or up through the marked region
>>52575678
That too, but that's only a marginal issue
>>52575695
that is odd. "works on my machines is not a comfort but I have never seen this issue.
The one screenshot is from my arch installation on my desktop, but I use chakra as well and there is no problem there either.
It would be easier to just use krunner then.
>>52575727
That was Chakra live running in Virtualbox, I'd expect a highly KDE specialized distro to have the fewest KDE related bugs, but srsly
>>52575751
I don't know what to say, I haven't seen this issue on my own machines.
The biggest issue I have seen with kde is that the default size of windows is too small and then often hiding the crucial settings or they are too large and you cannot see the window on a small screen (my laptop has x768)
>>52575751
just checked on my chakra install as well, this works on that too. Maybe it is a virtualbox thing?
>>52575162
wait what's wrong?
not a troll can someone please explain what op is whining about?
>>52575307
then don't use it?
the beauty of linux in my opinion is that you can use whatever you want
i'm on 1336x768 running xfce and it works fucking fine ,but i've used gnome on smaller 16:9s before
1280x720 is still no worries
stop whining
>>52575885
>>52575906
This is fucking weird, it seems to be related to window width. On a wider window or in fullscreen it doesn't happen, once the window is thinned it comes back.
>>52576259
you are right.
Never noticed. a window is either full screen of half screen.
It will only get resized on my desktop which runs bspwm and there it works regardless of window size.
>>52576259
I still don't see the issue though. It is a weird glitch, but you can still use the first letter or krunner.
>>52575162
>2 software and 1 software up...
Why do you need so many?
>>52576326
Hopefully it's only an isolated incident then, understand that it leaves a bad taste to encounter weird glitches like this so quickly.
>>52576614
Yes.
The biggest problem with kde (any gui ever) is the size of the windows is important and they are not always on point with that stuff.
But most people would never notice this arrow keys are not the logical way to navigate the settings menu.
I have no issues on my laptop's screen.
>>52577237
>Unishit
>Mac theme
>1366x768
>>52575162
https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/844/maximus-two/
https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/545/hide-top-bar/
you can thank me later
>>52575162
In an age when almost all human beings have two eyes in a horizontal pattern, how the fuck can't some retards comprehend the convenience of horizontal layouts?
>>52575162
I'm sorry but what do you stand to gain from 20 extra pixels? It's 2016. Don't you have a 24" monitor?
autism is an endless source of entertainment
>>52577492
>I edit documents and browse the web horizontally
>>52575180
Unity's topbar has integrated menubars just like OSX does, so no wasted space
>>52575228
dash to dock, fagguette
you don't want a window list on your screen all the time, have it on auto hide
>>52575307
im using gnome 3 on my laptops with 1280x800 and one that even has 1024x768 and it works just fine
>>52575247
how do you get that bootyful gnome 3 interface for firefox?
I'm pretty thankful for the top bar. Lets me remove title bars from windows but still keep the title of the current window visible.
>>52575918
Vertical real estate. It's one of the reasons Chrome took over the browser market.
Firefox had: A title bar. A menu bar. A tab bar. An address bar. And a bookmarks bar.
Chrome: Tabs + omnibar.
Humans read best in small columns since it's easily skimmable. The entire paragraph is in focus so you can read ahead of the line you're on. Long rows have to be read one line at a time. So vertical real estate is more valuable than vertical.
>>52578621
*than horizontal
>>52578621
What's ironic about this is that Firefox can (or at least, could) be squeezed into a single bar, while in Chrome you can't even do as little as to adjust your default controls position.
>>52578621
>Vertical real estate. It's one of the reasons Chrome took over the browser market.
I realise you said "one of the", but I still feel the need to mention that that factor probably doesn't come close to the issue of Firefox 3.x performing like utter ass.
>>52578621
>Vertical real estate. It's one of the reasons Chrome took over the browser market.
Lol no. It was Google shoving it up your ass every time you use their search engine using another browser.
>>52578652
Chrome got it perfect first try.
>>52578708
Chrome is faster and it's nice, but it's not worlds faster. The god-tier tab placement and more usable space was a big draw for me. If Firefox had had Chrome's UI and Chrome Firefox's, I would never have switched to Chrome. I wouldn't have been able to give up a fantastic UI for one that's utter shit.
>>52578740
>le Google ad meme
You don't have a problem believing people moved to Firefox from IE because it was less shitty. Funny you can't understand that people would move to Chrome for the same reason.
Why do people become blind fanbois over their shitty freetard browsers?
>>52575162
just use unity
>>52578621
Nah, it was simply faster than other browsers and advertised fucking everywhere.
>>52578229
osx don't have that, it still has separate titlebar which is a waste of space or did they steal that feature too recently?
>>52578845
15¢ has been deposited to your Google Wallet.
>>52578857
It had more vertical real estate and god-tier tabs.
>>52578988
>implying normies even know what vertical estate means
Most of them don't even use small icons on their windows taskbar
>>52578988
Pretty sure safari always have been better at that but it never takes of.
You know why? Because its not even decent most of the time.
>>52579009
They may not have noticed it. But their brain did.
>>52579421
But they couldn't have noticed it before installing the browser in the first place!
16:9 is a scourge on computing. Even UHD 3840 x 2160 doesn't have the same vertical real estate feel as the much superior 16:10 1920 x 1200. It's so nice when you don't have to scroll as much on 1200p compared to 2160p. Fuck the "media compatibility" of modern computers.
>>52579009
You don't need to know the terminology to see the result. And you don't need to adjust other settings to achieve an even greater extent to be able to compare two things side by side and see which is better.
Firefox's UI took up a quarter of the screen at 600p. It wasn't much better at 768p.
I'm at 1200p and I still wouldn't want as much of my screen taken up as Firefox's old UI. That shit is noticeable.
Upgrading to Chrome opened up your screen to the internet. That's what people want to see when they open their browser. They don't want to surf in the little patch left over beneath half a screen of toolbars.
Chrome had speed, stability, a genius omnibar, tabs at the very top of the screen, and more usable real estate. It wasn't "muh ads" and it wasn't just the speed.
How the hell do browser tabs even work with that gnome bar sitting there? Don't tell me they sit beneath it?
>>52579663
Well, with Firefox you can change it to look however you want, can't do that with Chrome.
>>52579815
>>52578845
>Chrome got it perfect first try.
>>52580357
Good luck convincing many others that no search/address bar is perfect.
>>52580784
It's probably just hidden you know.. And as stated before, you can have it however you like.
>>52580784
Why can't we have both?
>>52575345
I see what you did there matey
I basically made my DE look like manjaro. I know /g/ would get on my ass for not using awesome or i3, but I like what I have. I am a tranny too so I am already worthless.
>>52581091
How do you do that?
>tfw can't do this in Chrome
Too bad Firefox is shit on Windows
>>52581689
This extension: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/the-fox-only-better/
>>52581862
>Too bad Firefox is shit on Windows
Works good for me.
>>52581862
44+ is decent on windows actually. nothing compared to iceweasel 45 tho.
I wish more things would make their context menu to the side bar of Windows.
Like the usual
>File
>Edit
>View
things would be, in the menu bar of windows or whatever you call it. Say when you Open Firefox they would appear here somehow.
of course this wouldn't work if you use the entire thingy for shortcuts but that's another issue
>>52580883
that is a good step forward but tbqh fem gradients date from windows xp
>>52582313
Society in general has regressed since windows xp however tbqh
> Gnome shell extension
https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/545/hide-top-bar/
>>52578870
OSX has had that for a long time you cocksucker
>>52582530
Is there an extension to move it to the side?
>>52580883
IE11
>use sane window manager
>press a button to hide the top bar
Why are developers of big shiny desktop environments so inept?
>>52575162
some people don't want their OS to look like shit with an horizontally offset workspace
>>52582889
>offset
just put it on the right side
