Why does Manjaro make Archfags so mad?
>manjaro
Arch user here!
It's not, anon-kun :^) Enjoy your Linux distribution! I hope it works for you and you enjoy it!
Great to see more people on Linux!
>>52532871
Archfags such as this poster, for example.
>>52532847
Manjaro is to Arch what a basement-dwelling manchild spending $1000's of dollars on animu and vidya is to their parents.
A leech.
>>52532897
im only copying that poster. it makes me laugh. i actually like majaro because i dont want to learn arch install
>manjaro
>>52532907
Why doesn't Arch just create a curses-based text install interface instead of making people read a 20 page manual with a whole bunch of gotchas hidden in the annotation?
>>52532964
Is reading too hard for you?
>>52532964
Because Arch users need to feel superior in some kind of way
>>52532964
It's called antergos
>>52532964
because it delivers most of Arch aspects without spending 2 days reading wiki and then trial and error installation and finding out which packages you need for what functionality
because it uses arch users as beta tester to improve its reliability
but most of all, because it is successful
>>52533043
This
>>52533013
Oh god, am I glad the days of having to deal with xorg.conf are over. I have such horrible memories from up till 2010 or so.
it's a cop-out. anyone who uses manjaro wanted to use arch, but was either intimdated by the installation process, or couldn't get it right the first time and gave up.
nowadays with architect, there's really no more excuse. if you want to use arch linux, then use arch linux. manjaro is just a shit compromise, and there is no need to fool yourself into thinking you're anymore stable or secure than an arch user. in this sense, it's a frivolous distribution even.
>>52532964
>curses
>>52533043
Other than that whole minimum installation thing
>because it uses arch users as beta tester to improve its reliability
>literally talking out your ass
Not an archfag, but it completely neglects security.
>>52532847
Because it's not my way
My way or the archway
Why are people on this board so insecure that they feel the need to always attack Arch?
>>52532964
>curses-based text install interface
>INSTALL YOURSELF YOU CUNTFACED TRIPLE NIGGER SHITHOLE ABORTION
>desktop is up and running in 5 seconds
because antegros is better
>>52533182
god that guy was a shit musician
>>52532847
>tfw manjaro fixed the recent zero day vulnerability
>Arch: "Other distributions solved it already"
K E K
>>52533001
>a literal parasitic distrolet
>>52533261
That's why Arch fits him so well
[1/2]
Can we all stop the circlejerking and actually constructively answer OP's question?
It mostly has to do with the way Manjaro handles repositories. Its theory is that because the Arch repos are so vast and diverse, that there could be critically unstable packages that would damage the end-user's systems, especially if they're not as computer savvy as more advanced users.
Because of this, Manjaro uses its own repositories, and it moves over Arch packages when their own developers/users have tested them enough to their liking.
In practice, this is actually damaging, as what actually happens is that the Arch stable repos are synced into Manjaro Unstable on a roughly daily basis. They sit there for 1-2 weeks before being declared stable and moving to Manjaro Testing. Then their test squad declares that stable enough to move to Manjaro Stable, about 3-4 weeks after the packages arrive in Arch Linux.
Why does Manjaro steal logos from NIN?
>>52533297
[2/2]
Because of this, Manjaro users have to wait at least four weeks before any updates, and thus are more vulnerable to security bugs for a much longer amount of time than Arch users are. Lets say Manjaro had the man-power to monitor all updates in Arch Linux for security issues. Could they be brought to the Stable repositories more quickly? Maybe…
But remember Arch Linux rebuilds against new versions of libraries with soname bumps all the time and our toolchain gets updated very quickly after any upstream release. So any security update built against new libraries or with a new toolchain version require those components moved too. And they are the types of updates that could introduce stability issues.
The things Manjaro does well for new users, especially with the ease of its installation, are offset by the different GUI in each release, which really goes against the idea of a rolling-release distribution like Arch to begin with. If you want a more secure, more practically stable system, you should just use Antergos, which is a graphical installer for Arch, though it also installs a bit of bloat, most of which are things most users would install anyways, ie. it will pre-install Chromium, and a nice GTK theme.
tl;dr, there really is no situation in which using Manjaro is better than using Arch itself, and if you want ease of installation, just use Antergos.
>>52533135
manjaro delayes arch updates by few weeks
same as arch first put new stuff in to testing first
so by this very nature it does improve reliability
the biggest complain of this used to be that it also delayes security patches, but the maintainers tend to address that and let critical updates through faster
>>52532847
Manjaro gets all the benefits of Arch without needing to slough through a needlessly complicated install. The same for Antergos. /g/ hates people that have it easy because they were beaten and shat on by their parents and find it hard to relate with others who have not gone through the same treatment as them.
Does someone have that picture of the expired ssl certificate on their wiki and they suggested you rollback your hardware clock by a year? That's why I don't use Manjaro.
>>52532847
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>52533308
>>52533297
didnt read
animefags should already kill themselves
>inb4 anime site
i am on /g/ you weaboo loser faggot
>>52533356
see
>>52533308
>security updates with new toolchains
>toolchains not pushed through
>no security updates in manjaro
>>52533363
Try posting this again without the projection
>>52533393
I am not interested in wall of text accompanied by anime character
if Allan fucking McRae says manjaro is fine then its quite fine
>>52533437
You don't want a serious response because this is a shitposting thread.
>>52533308
I wish I could be here longer but I have to get back to my job, honestly
Could you please explain exactly why xorg 1.18 was pushed into the arch kernel even with the lack of catalyst support? Xorg literally broke and ironically all those arch memes came true
Also these days manjaro team is more concerned about security. They actually have secured the meme zero day from couple days ago
I don't know about antergos though. I tried installing it 3 times with 3 different environments and I failed. I'll come back 7 hours later and probably see this thread dead
I don't even care anymore. Good day
>>52532847
Achieves the same end without all the effort
>>52533465
email to Allan that he is not serious enough for you
Arch sucks because it relies too much on the AUR and anyone can upload a malicious package to it.
Did you manjarofags remember to set your clock back to normal?
>>52533549
and what do you use in your distro?
>PPA?
same thing as AUR
>compile yourself?
did you read the code to be sure its not malicious?
>>52533475
Arch devs don't care about Catalyst drivers because they're developed way too slowly. They break compatibility with them all the time. Roll back Xorg.
>>52533549
Open source sucks because it relies too much on the community and anyone can publish a malicious package.
Alternatively:
Arch doesn't rely on the AUR at all you fucking retard; it's just there for people who want it.
Manjaro people keep coming to our forums complaining about Manjaro issues
Imagine if Ubuntu users all kept spamming the Debian forums about how much Unity sucks.
Also Manjaro is like Arch, but without the philosophy and with an installer. It kind of does away with everything that makes Arch Arch
>>52533549
Only TUs can upload to the AUR
Also, nothing is stopping you from reading the code and the PKGBuild and shit
>>52532847
Because you want Arch but don't want to install it, and seem to have forgotten about the thousand other Linux distributions in existence.
>>52532847
Because it's absolute shit, used by people who think that using or installing Arch is hard, which means that either
- they're retarded, or
- they haven't even tried
just use Ubuntu, Fedora, openSuSE or Debian if you can't be arsed.
>>52533182
>>52533475
>>52533655
Well, it's like the network manager bug they introduced that fucked up the routing on vpns, and took like two weeks for the fix to arrive, just because stupid normal standard upgrade.
>>52533475
Literally this
>>52533388
>read the whole thing
>twice
>can't refute any of it
>now completely assblasted and in full shitposting mode
le kek
Antergos is strictly better and closer to arch
After you successfully install arch the first time, you will realise just how easy it is. It isn't the fragile thing everyone makes it out to be. After installing it a few times, you can easily do it without the guide.
Arch is great because you build it from the base, all you need to get a functioning desktop is to install xorg-server, xorg-xinit and the DE/WM of your choice. So it's entirely minimal. Manjaro adds quite a bit of bloat to an initial install, all removable of course, and it comes in many different 'flavours' which is just a preinstalled DE/WM.
That, above, is the reason why Arch users feel Manjaro is pointless, because it's Arch with bloat, taking away one of the advantages, and contradicting Arch's usefulness.
Just boot up an arch image in Virtualbox and follow the beginners install guide, once you get it the first time, you will realise how easy it is, and how great it is to have a system that has no bloat, no files where they shouldn't be etc.
>>52538116
up to the point it breaks on update
>being such a retard that you can't install arch
stick to noobuntu fucktards,
>>52532847
archfag here, any reason on why i should be mad at manjaro?
>he thinks installing arch is hard or tedious
TOP KEK
>>52532847
The Sooper Seekrit Klubhaus.
>angsty as fuck hypervigilant arch users feverishly neckbearding
the level of cheetos and mountain dew / jizz socks ITT is too high. arch users are totally unaware of how they might come off to normal people browsing this thread topkek
i'm an archfag and i don't give a fuck
>>52538582
(You)
>>52532847
I don't know, but if things go right, I may join the Arch maddening group and make Arch users mad.
Some people just don't understand that some of us just like tinkering stuff. I learned a whole lot about GNU/Linux thanks to Arch. I wouldn't have achieved the same with other distributions. Saying that, I think that distros like Antergos and Manjaro are great. For me, using Arch is just a learning process and its fun.. nothing more.
Anything that makes arch users mad is good in my book.
>>52532964
there are a few users who have made install scripts that get you installed easily, but patritioning is really the only "hard" part of the install for beginners
>>52533297
>>52533308
Just to let you know, I appreciate your response anon.
>>52533297
>>52533308
Architect exist, there's not reason to use Antergos.
>>52533475
The thing is, catalyst is not supported by Arch, when you install catalyst you're on your own.
Why you ask? well AMD is too fucking slow updating Catalyst, Arch would need to freeze itself for months to include Catalyst on their repos.
tl;dr use xorg 1.17 from an alternative repository or forget about catalyst and use the foss driver
>>52540760
Arch follows upstream updates if a patch is not available here: https://kernel.org/ nothing will happen to the arch kernel.
Go whine to Linus or Greg about it.
>>52532871
dumbass frogposter
>>52543320
>Damage control level:
>Pro
>>52532964
It would be nice to have the option, I guess. But after doing it once it's pretty simple. It's kind of cool to set everything up yourself.
And Arch is really about that feeling. If you just want to wave your dick around Arch is going to be a disappointment. After install it's really simple to use and maintain. The whole point of the distro is that you get to set everything up the way you want it, which while not being totally compromised by an automated installer, would definitely make it less fun.
There is a lot of different types of scum.
There is drug addicts, sex offenders, people who use proprietary software and then there is frog posters.
You make me sick.
Manjaro master race
Thanks for betatesting for me archgoys =|:つ)
>>52532964
archboot is just that
>>52538326
>installs arch
>makes it look exactly like LM cinnamon
ya ok
>>52543596
dumbass dumbass frogposter poster
>>52533264
Wait, what? How can you be a "parasite" to a bunch of characters in some git?
You aren't making any sense.
>>52533297
>>52533308
In that case, wouldn't using the Unstable repos pretty much solve the issue with delayed updates?
>>52532893
Thanks! :3
god i remember when there was like 10 arch threads a day, i guess the hype has died off
>>52533043
I used Manjaro for two years before I installed Arch.
It was full of bugs. For the record, I couldn't play flac music or near the end of my use encrypt mails with GnuPG. I must admit that having a broken screen on a HP computer doesn't help, though, but it was like a screwdriver in the eyes.
And the "it uses Arch users as beta testers to improve its reliability" doesn't comply with the "it's normal there are bugs, it's not stable yet" argument I heard from other Manjaro users.
I'm not mad that people use Manjaro like a Windows or Manjaro users would be mad at Mac OS X, I'm mad because they brand their OS as the friendly Archlinux distro when it's actually not production-ready. And I'm mad for beginners who start everyday a journey in a world of pain.
>>52546674
* user
>>52546674
>And the "it uses Arch users as beta testers to improve its reliability" doesn't comply with the "it's normal there are bugs, it's not stable yet" argument I heard from other Manjaro users.
it does comply
on overall grand view it fits because that is exactly whats happening, they are delaying packages to see if arch wont have problems
but if you talk with some manjaro users about KDE5 or some specific package, then the words that its not stable yet might come out...
>>52533549
This is why there is the GnuPG web of trust senpai.
But I agree with you that they should bring an easier way to check the level of trust of a GnuPG key.
>>52546789
>senpai
fuck off weaboo
>>52532847
I for one applaud anything that brings Linux closer to the mainstream user by making it more visually appealing and easy to use.
>>52546802
Your sense of sane debate brought by enlightening arguments is wonderful.
>>52533297
>>52533308
You sound like a true basement dweller. And that animu doesn't help a bit.
>>52546197
Absolutely, but it still doesn't solve the issue of bloat that comes pre-loaded. If you don't have any issue with this, then by all means!
Although, then, if you switched out repos to use the unstable ones, why wouldn't you then just use Antergos? Then there would literally be no difference, save for Antergos' default GTK/icon themes.
>>52546771
I don't get it.
I meant Manjaro was simply not reliable because of bugs people try to justify by saying it's beta software, proving my point.
I don't get how it complies because I don't get where I said it was reliable.
>>52532847
I just don't see the point of it. It's the Elementary of Arch.
Might as well get Antergos if you want Arch light.
>>52532871
exhibit A
>>52532907
>>52533388
>>52546802
>>52546845
>tfw Barlow was wrong, and that's sad.
https://projects.eff.org/~barlow/Declaration-Final.html
>>52546845
That doesn't have anything to do with the topic being discussed, I just wanted to constructively provide some objective criticism against the Manjaro platform. I actually work as a touring classical musician, right now in Dresden just after a concert, not that it makes any difference to this conversation; that would also be why I like anime, because I'm a chink. I just like the feeling of working through computer problems, and I've used Linux since I was young.
Regardless, I hope this somehow lends more credence to my words, since you were concerned that I might have been a "basement dweller."
>>52546873
maybe you are stupid and after years you still dont get what is upstream and all this jazz about packages
cause you are making not much sense, manjaro is a disto, it consists of packages, most of them like arch, pure upstream
you claiming you had some arguments with manjaro users who claimed to not be hard on manjaro seems really out of place
in any rate whatever you say about manjaro as being unreliable goes double than for arch
just to give some perspective
>>52532847
>Why does Manjaro make Archfags so mad ?
>>52546929
>maybe you are stupid and after years you still don't get what is upstream and all this jazz about packages cause you are making not much sense
> you claiming you had some arguments with manjaro users who claimed to not be hard on manjaro seems really out of place
I give up.
>>52547000
well you didnt have much to give anyway
>>52547016
Wow your arguments are groundbreaking.
Your way of arguing with people is basically saying "I'm right and you're wrong and hard with Manjaro users* you shit".
*by the way I think this person appreciates me and we never talked about this point. It's what he says in his blog, you moron.
I don't want to argue with you and I'm going to eat with friends. Bye.
>>52547083
>whining intensifies
>arguments are lacking
Arch users will get mad over anything that just works out of the box
>>52547155
Please someone tell him
>>52532907
And not just on the os software they leeched their logo from nin
>>52533297
>>52533308
Allan pls
Shouldn't you be working? See>>52540760
>>52546846
Aight, you convinced me. I had to format my system today so I guess I'll give this spaniard piece of shit a shot. Thanks waifufag.
>>52550843
Dude if you want to try arch but can't get through the text based install just use Architect. It's pure vanilla arch with a graphics based install
>>52550898
I can't be arsed to do it, that's why I've been using manjaro for the last two or so years. Will keep your recommendation in mind as well!
>>52533182
