Why is IBM not receiving the fame it deserves?
>>52490580
Their logo hasn't been touched since the 80s and they haven't made a product I've even heard of since the 90s
I used to think IBM and Microsoft was the same thing
>>52491440
I saw a cash register made by IBM at a Macy's the other day.
>>52490580
Because they sold out their legacy.
>>52490580
The fame of being nazis who hire nazguls as their lawyers?
>>52491440
>they haven't made a product I've even heard of
That's because you only dabble in consumer products, son.
Don't think they care about fame, they're making lods of emone anyway.
>>52490580
They don't deserve any fame here lately. I'm not even sure what the hell they still do.
>>52491440
>Their logo hasn't been touched since the 80s
But thats a good thing
>>52491440
>Their logo hasn't been touched since the 80s
And? It's the most iconic tech logo ever made, when you see the three striped letters you know you're in for some business.
>>52491603
This piece right here is what can unite /pol/ and /g/.
>>52490580
because International Botnet Machine.
>>52491945
Fuck, never saw it coming.
>>52491440
That's because they don't give a fuck about consumer products anymore. That's not their business. They provide technological solutions to modern problems. For example they are in charge of a project in Stockholm that tracks cars entering and leaving the city centre and charges according to what time the vehicle comes in and out. What it did was reduce congestion and encourage co-workers to carpool to work rather than each take their own car. There's more of a "stagger" too so people who can afford to be at work a bit later than regular 8am or whatever come in at 10 and so on..
That's the gist of it anyway and one example out of hundreds. It's just what I remember from reading about it in an article years ago.
Tl;Dr IBM are focused on industrial scale tech solutions and R&D.
>>52492050
sounds like Operations Research
>>52491440
go back to HVAC school you c.Uck
they don't face the consumer anymore, but they're still very relevant in the private sector, 24 out of the top 25 fortune 500 companies use IBM cloud
>>52490580
IBM is DONE. They are stuck in the 90s, hiring INDIANS instead of people to cheap out, and when they do hire americans they treat them like shit.
>>52491440
Isn't there an Apple general for you?
>>52491546
>>52492050
>yfw IBM is going to die
>all the good engineers and staff left
>everyone else got fired
>they hire poo in loos instead
>>52491627
Yeah, you're right. They don't deserve fame on a consumer cuck board. They do more important things
>>52492502
are you a proud student of the university of mumbai? if so apply to ibm :^)
>>52492515
>top 5 feeder colleges to IBM are all curryniggers
HAHAHAH
Because they left the consumer desktop market and do things the people here don't know shit about
International Business Machines, not International Facebook Machiness
>>52492515
>whites in computing:
>lol i make it smaller, only run facebook tho, all u need
>look integrated ads
>mobile UI very gud 4 consumer :^)))
>legacy tech just werks ok i no need more than XP
>>52492577
>do things the people here don't know shit about
>be a failed consulting company
>power and mainframe sales are stagnant, or in decline
>had the biggest layoff in history, 100,000 people lost their jobs
>ibm software business is stagnant, trying to pull a hp by sucking up smaller companies start
>cloud business is fucked
They're flooding money into research hoping they land on something big. They dropped the consumer and business industry minus some specialized servers and consulting.
They're trying to get around Moore's law and to emulate the human brain in a processor. Probably all meme tier attempts at concepts that still need decades.
Here have some memes:
http://www.research.ibm.com/articles/brain-chip.shtml
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/11/5d-electronic-blood-ibms-secret-sauce-for-computers-with-biological-brain-like-efficiency/
>>52492621
>While people buy into poorly written FOSS shit and web apps
A lack of business does not mean a lack of quality. It just means the alternative is cheaper and the customers don't notice the difference (or do, but don't care).
>>52492577
>Because they left the consumer desktop market and do things the people here don't know shit about
You think they're going to strike it big with one of their various research categories? Did they make the right choice to exit enterprise hardware and software?
but IBM is getting the fame it deserves:
http://www.apple.com/business/mobile-enterprise-apps/
>>52492709
>It just means the alternative is cheaper and the customers don't notice the difference (or do, but don't care).
so basically you've just admitted that ibm is doing fucking nothing to remain at the cutting edge, and relevant (read: not some research project in a lab that'll never become a product)
they are riding off their existing customer base
>>52492763
>they are riding off their existing customer base
they have enough money where they can afford to switch focus. Protip, releasing new shiny consumertard toys every month isn't the only way to be le cutting edge
>>52492439
>>52492490
>>52492559
INDIAN BUSINESS MACHINES
>>52492490
Who are you literally quoting?
>>52492808
Right, and how are they going to do that if IBM pays like shit and treats their staff like shit.
>>52492559
>bangalore university
>visvesvaraya technological university
>university of pune
>osmania university
>jawaharlal etc.
>ibm has almost 100,000 employees in india
basically pajeets and slavs
>>52492577
sure, pajeets are definitely the better programmers, true rockstars :^)
>>52492858
they're going to hire half of India to work for peanuts or hope they get lucky with a marketable discovery
They also do a lot of specialized hardware for industry to keep the cash flowing
>>52492262
This computer slaps your laptops ass, what do?
>>52492490
Why should I care if Indians work for IBM? Other than the issue of outsourcing jobs, if they are qualified and good at their job I don't care. I really don't care WHO works for WHAT as long as they meet their employers qualification level AND are good at what they do.
Nice meme though.
>>52492808
If they were actually pivoting the company they'd be done with it already as they've been in decline for a very long time already.
As it stands right now IBM is just a slowly dying dinosaur propped up by their reputation up until the 1980's. Once the baby boomers who grew up and were already working when IBM was still great retire and people who can see IBM as it is without nostalgia take over buying decisions, they're pretty much fucked.
>>52492929
>I really don't care WHO works for WHAT as long as they meet their employers qualification level AND are good at what they do.
>>52492864
>basically pajeets and slavs
Nope, it's all pajeets on that list.
In essence they've gone all out poo-in-the-loo over there.
>>52492895
>They also do a lot of specialized hardware for industry to keep the cash flowing
Doesn't help that they've spent over 100 billion dollars on share buybacks.
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/10/20/the-truth-hidden-by-ibms-buybacks/?_r=0
>>52492977
>Le Jew meme
Here's your (You). Now fuck off
>>52493001
That's right goy, outsourcing and trickle down economics will help you out!
>>52490580
Nobody seems to talk about them because they dont make consumer products anymore but in business people know.
>>52493016
Did I ever say I outsourcing was a good thing? I explicitly said
>Other than the issue of outsourcing jobs
Fucking idiot.
>>>/pol/
>>52493001
You do know that they're hiring in India simply because they work for peanuts, not because of them being of a higher quality than their american colleagues? It's them just trying to skimp on costs at the expense of the american workers.
>>52493019
>>52493040
>>>/reddit/
>>52493059
I really hope you don't unironically browse /pol/
>>52493019
>>52493040
>Thinking this will work
It's no use... People from /pol/ and people posting like they're from /pol/ have been an everyday thing since at least 2012. If you don't like it, feel free to go back to reddit, tumblr or wherever you came from.
>>52493054
Right. All I'm saying is it doesn't matter what gender, race, ethnicity etc. works for a company, AS LONG AS they are GOOD at their job RELATIVE to their work peers. That's all I'm trying to say. Some people here don't get that. However, I do hate the whole "we need more diversity in X industry."
>>52493076
>Le /pol/ may-may
Not that guy, but I'm going to give you some advice: It's no use trying to tell people like him to go back to /pol/ as he's not even sure to be from /pol/ to begin with. We used to tell them to piss of back to /pol/ back in 2012 already, but they've since then became an everyday part of /g/ culture.
If you don't like them, then go someplace else because no matter how much you complain about them, they won't go anywhere. They didn't go anywhere when the original pre 2012 community told them to piss off and they won't go anywhere when the new reddit-based community tells them the same thing.
>>52492947
>>As it stands right now IBM is just a slowly dying dinosaur propped up by their reputation up until the 1980's.
That's way too shallow of an analysis. They're rooted deep in specialized enterprise services, mainframes, lab equipment, and other niche markets for now. They're not doing well but we'll see if their research is more than just PR eventually
nothing wrong with indians.
besides, they're qt.
>>52493117
That's the point: They're not being hired because they're actually any good at their job, they're being hired because they're dirt cheap and for no other reason (except maybe the fact that they speak english, which is why so many companies are hiring indians and not Chinese).
If they were being paid just as much as their western colleagues, they wouldn't be hiring them to begin with.
>>52492929
outsourcing = trying to solve a problem by throwing more indians at it until their #36456 random trial works.
>>52492990
pretty much so
>>52492999
trips don't lie
Well, sooner or later they're going to be riding on research as the future of the company. I hope all this bull about investing in new platforms wasn't just a huge PR stunt
>>52493193
Think about all the research they could have done with 100 billion dollars.
Just let it sink in.
>>52493158
The thing about the kind of research old tech giants like IBM and HP does is that most of it never finds any large scale real world applications and the same thing goes for university research.
As I said, they're a dinosaur riding their past reputation and most of the nice stuff you mention has it's base in stuff sold in the 1980's and earlier. Niche products like that can never support a tech giant like IBM as a giant like that needs to have a larger revenue stream than any set of niche products can muster.
If IBM was an animal, it would be a Brachiosaurus in the midst of the period when all dinosaurs went extinct out due to climate change ether caused by a meteor or volcanic activity.
>>52493164
>Some of them are qt
FTFY, it's a numbers game when you have 1.2billion people, 1 or 2 are bound to be hot
>>52493298
Sure thing, buddy. I bet you are an IBM insider too.
>>52493332
>IBM shills in full defence mode
0.01 rupees has been deposited in to your account
>>52493313
no, most of them are qt.
What's the big deal with a company that just cares about fixing printers, pinpads and cash registers?
Pretty fucking good company to work for. I miss that job.
>>52492439
>stuck in the 90s
>hiring INDIANS instead of people to cheap out
Choose one.
>>52493352
0.01 is too much man, they dont want to be greedy like whites, make it 0.0001
>>52493388
ibm chooses both, i'd choose neither :)
>>52492559
>MIT small, somewhere in the tail
What happened?
>>52493369
If you're one of them maybe, but all of the ones I've met in real life (which is quite many seeing how my university is pretty much overrun by them) have been pig disgusting and the only decent looking ones I've seen in pictures are from the northern parts of the countries. I don't know how the hell southern indian women succeed in all being so pig disgusting.
>>52492559
>all those pajeets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NddJYKzwHU
>>52493442
oh, i'm talking about indian men.
and no, i'm not "one of them".
>>52490580
Same reason why people don't know what Xerox PARC is and if they do, it's "What's so innovating about printer paper?" or they only know it as "hurr place apple stole shit from" thanks to apple; or why people don't know what AT&T Bell Lab is or they'll say "what's so innovating about an old ass phone company?" Just like how we only see stuff about "What's so innovating about shitty laptop company?" Truth is, most of self proclaimed tech savvy are tech savvy on geek squad level not R&D engineer/scientist level.
>>52493480
Different folks, different strokes, I suppose...
Can't say much about the men because I'm a straight guy and don't view other men in "that" kind of way.
>having a company song that literally and unironically ends in "that's why we are so gay"
Not even joking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyQEbLx6AEY
>>52493480
so now they take our women as well as our jobs
fucking designateds man
>>52493446
It's not really news that Pajeet, Ahmed and Jamal are determined to take us over, while being actively assisted in achieving that goal by various "authorities".
>>52493643
i'm not a woman.
>>52493669
they aint gonna take over shit because the companies they overrun just fail and are replaced by ones that hire WHITES
it sucks that they are offered jobs at all, like all those IBM ones, assisted and allowed by our authorities, and the world was a much better place when third worlders in general just starved in their own countries without us hearing much about it, but what are you gonna do?
>>52493679
a faget then?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyQEbLx6AEY
>>52493704
>>52490580
I hear about IBM daily?
>>52491546
This. Corporate infrastructure and integration work is dominated by IBM. Any heavy lifting in the backend is dominated by IBM's InfoSphere suite. It's not great, but it's still pretty good, and the support and compatibility smashes the competition.
My only complaint about IBM is that they shill their stuff so hard. The only docs around IBM you can actually take at face value are those not written by IBM. AIX is a nice OS though, if you can get used to the little differences when working in ksh. Their tools are incredibly powerful, but really expensive. But the consultancy I work for is even more expensive so it's not really a problem.
>tl;Dr IBMs enterprise offering is cool and powerful, but 99% of people will never touch it unless they're handling serious data at huge scales, and they have huge budgets.
>>52493298
Not so sure that IBM's research can be compared exactly to the fruitless theoretical garbage that academia churns
Don't forget IBM is a corporat and it doesn't just admit it's going down and do so without squirming and gasping every inch of the way. I think their research (working around thermal limitations of processors, creating a processor that emulates the human brain etc) is trying desperately to bring them back into relevance. A giant like them does not just shift focus when it's generally on the decline without having a plan of action
>>52493801
desu you're the first person I've seen on /g/ that isn't shitting on AIX, what do you like about it? really want to pick up some RS/6000 or system p gear some day and try it out
>>52493422
it was overrated and you were too retarded to realize it
>>52493284
Think if they already have something, and are buying back shares to maximize profits from selling said shares after releasing their discovery.
>>52492439
>>52492490
>>52492559
>>52492817
>these CS shitters butthurt they couldn't get in
>>52490580
Who?
>>52494146
I've never seen anyone mention it here actually. It's optimised perfectly for other IBM products, which in an ETL implementation like I'm working on at the minute, is fantastic. It's never going to be optimal for anything that a standard user will do, which is probably why people here hate it so much, but for enterprise data serving and manipulating its unbeatable. Also I just really love ksh.
I'd love to get my hands on some. I'm not even close to being an IBM guy, but I really like their kit.
>>52494201
>wanting to work for for a company that shows no promise of rebounding
>>52494211
Nice, yeah I don't think AIX ever had as much in the way of home/hobbyist usability as say Solaris or IRIX, still very interested in exploring it none the less.
I've just got a big ass 4U RS/6 out in my shed with quad PPC 603es loaded to the brim with microchannel cards but the damn power supply blew and I still haven't been able to fix it, the aesthetic and build are wonderful at least. Considering dropping some shekels on a 43P or something else nice and small, maybe when I get my other projects out of the way.
Where can i find an IBM 5100 ?
>>52494344
>damage controlling this hard
How does it feel being so subhuman that even a subhuman can do a better job than you?
>>52494379
buy one from a collector or hope to g-d some old engineering company/laboratory has one mothballed that they'll give you for free because they think it's trash
>>52494389
If you look for even a second you can see IBM doesn't show promise at this moment. Unless you're mentally retarded, you wouldn't want to work for a company on the verge of failing.
Please do spew more memes to show me how I'm wrong though
>>52494379
The Yanabayashi Shrine has one.
>>52493446
HOLY FUCK AHAHAHAHAH
>>52494357
It's a really cool setup, probably because it's another learning curve you can avoid by going for a different UNIX implementation I guess. I didn't have the choice in my introduction to it due to it being through work, my background has all been CentOS/RHEL and Ubuntu, but I've grown to really like it.
What other projects do you have going on?
>>52490580
IBM is so ahead of the curve it's not even funny.
They completely dropped out of consumer X86 hardware in 2004 when they sold all their interests in PCs to lelnovo.
Notice how PCs have done nothing but stagnate for the last 10 years?
It's become a literal race to the bottom, an industry relegated to shitting out fragile, non-user serviceable shit for every price bracket.
>>52494451
Seems someone stole it a few days ago
>>52493446
Why do indians talk like this? I understand that English is not their native language, but it's not mine either - but I can speak english without having people laugh at me.
>>52493298
you won't see their research until you're using it. OOP systems, software engineering standardization were all brainchildren that could only have come from such corporations that concentrate large human and intelectual capital. The problem with the likes of IBM and others such as HP is that they shifted their focus from manufacturing to services, leaving their R&D departments on it's own, still protected from corporate restructuring by corporate policies that obligate capital reinvestment. And because of that their R&D usually releases tech on public domain, also because they want to be the standard at any cost (which is the basis of their business).
Right now IBM is researching graphene batteries, don't be surprised if the next batery and energy leap comes from them
>>52491440
Neet detected
>>52494560
*and it's not mine either
>>52494497
well, their shift in focus is not showing any productivity, more than a decade and billions of dollaroos later...
>>52494560
Did you learn the language growing up?
If yes, you have no right to complain.
It's harder to sound fluent the older you are when you learn a new language.
>>52494560
He obviously isn't fluent in English and is probably just reciting some dialogue he learned in a class somewhere.
>>52494492
Sounds pretty fun, as far as other projects go I've got a bunch of other old gear that needs TLC to get out of the way, plus I need a new slowlaris workstation, Blade 100s don't really cut it anymore for anything other than office work and basic server jobs.
>>52494575
>Right now IBM is researching graphene batteries, don't be surprised if the next batery and energy leap comes from them
Yeah, you could say that about their cooling solutions meant to overcome thermal limitations as well as their neron emulating processor
All this is still years and billions away from being concrete and marketable, which spells bad news for the company
>>52494727
they get plenty of money shoving websphere and db2 down their client's throats
>>52494686
>>52494692
Yeah, I could even count from 1 to 10 in englishback in kindergarden... but that's not the point.
If it was just this guy, I'd understand, but sadly, it's not. I've heard a lot of people talk like this. It sounds like they either read it from somewhere or have memorized it; doesn't feel natural at all. They sometimes talk informal in formal occasions, and vice versa..
The constant "sir" and "kindly X" are just the cherry on top of the cake.
>>52494686
false
>>52494357
>vertical CD drive
Is it ok to use optical drives positioned that way?
>>52494701
It's a pretty good gig, I'm getting paid to create automate and analyse ksh scripts monitoring resource usage across a 2000+ node MPP AIX backend, I'm in my fucking element. Not even a SysEngineer.
Old gear is amazing, but I don't own much. Tempted to pick up an original BBC although it'll cost me an arm and a leg. True, they just can't keep up anymore.
What's your technical background? obviously not the usual /g/ NEET fiddling around with JavaScript on their chrome book.
>>52493642
>tfw the video URL even ends in "6AEY"
>>52493741
Well memed sir, the exact same thing was posted only five posts above yours.
>>52494845
the computer was generally positioned horizontally
>>52494774
WebSphere and DB2 are alright, but DataStage is sick as fuck. Unrivalled monitoring and job automation and tuning.
>tfw working for ibm
>tfw when it's okay but i'd rather be working for googlel
>>52493704
>they aint gonna take over shit
How aren't they, if there's more and more and more of them everywhere, and nobody give a shit? Things change for the worse, sure, but sheeplet normies are just getting used to it, and those few that complain are ignored and can't reverse the flow of a river with a stick anyway. Also, wymyn are falling for stuff like >>52493780 and helping to enable them, even if they are not fully-fledged SJWs at all.
> the companies they overrun just fail
Show me examples, so far Microsoft, IBM, Red Hat, or any other company hiring them en masse hasn't failed. Standards go to shit, sure, but as said above everyone just puts up with it and doesn't give a fuck in the end.
>>52494560
why don't they employ chinks?
they work for cheap, there's a ton of them and they are actually decent at their jobs.
>>52494954
Are you guys encourage to shill as hard as you do, or is that handled by sales. My firm is partnered with IBM and honestly, the shilling is so off putting, aside from it I really like working with IBM consultants, 10x better than the experiences I've had with Accenture.
>>52494886
OK, but is it safe to use an optical drive oriented vertically? Obviously that case has a stand to keep it vertical.
>>52494357
>>52494492
>>52494701
>>52494857
The fact that I don't understand most of the acronyms in these posts really, really worries me.
Not really a /g/ guy (haven't even built my own computer due to insufficient funds; never used linux for more than a week..), but damn..
Maybe I should get into retro computers just to learn something new.
>>52495005
i only saw 2 acronyms i didn't understand and they're just enterprise-tier shit
you're just dumb
>>52494774
you think they will make it another decade without getting some exclusive market ready discovery in their research?
>>52495064
yes, because their IT contracts last nearly a decade
>>52495019
MPP, AIX, and BBC..
I'm know I'm dumb, but..damn. Maybe my place is not on /g/ after all.
I'm just bringing the quality of the board down, aren't I?
>>52495094
just look up the terms you don't get
board quality would be 1000x better if everyone googled their questions before making dumb threads
>>52495080
oh...
out of all their meme research, what would be the winning horse in your opinion?
>>52495094
If you're one of those idiots who post in iPhone/mac hate and similar /v/ themed threads, then yes, please leave.
>>52494975
what do you have against qt indians?
gb2/pol/.
>>52495119
the one that they actually release something
>>52495019
What were the two you didn't understand? None of those are enterprise terms. I get the whole purists hating enterprise tech, but honestly it's not as bad as it's made out. The time and monetary pressure is an additional element of challenge, although fair enough it's not the right thing for everyone. Honestly though, if you're not aligning your technical contribution to the business, you're not actually being of any use to your employer.
>>52495005
These acronyms are quite specific to distributed computing, a big trend in enterprise infrastructures with the emergence of big data and the Internet of things. Retro computers aren't something I have much familiarity with, but they're really cool. But a lot of the people in /g/ aren't really involved in enterprise tech, there's a lot of students, hobbyists, or less business facing people who are incredibly technical, it's just a real spectrum.
For your benefit:
- AIX: a proprietary UNIX OS developed by IBM
- MPP: Massively Parallel Processing (imagine how a CPU has multiple cores, but on a larger scale, one service split across many servers)
>>52495094
Don't worry, they're enterprise specific terms. BBC was a model of early personal computer sold in the UK, no one will blame you for not knowing that, it's pretty obscure. I forget when I'm on /g/ that not everyone is in enterprise areas, it's my bad senpai.
See >>52495161
>>52495161
MPP only works for scientific number crunching. For real world applications it's mainframe or many hp dl580 using some flamboyantly named middleware all day long.
>>52495208
Or massive scale ETL batch processing. No offence, but I'm going to take the word of the LTA of a Tier 1 bank over a stranger on /g/.
If you come up with a way to handle time critical ETL processing of TBs of data more efficiently than MPP, you'll be a very wealthy man.
>>52494994
nah not really encouraged to shill or anything, i mean no more than any other place
oh word? accenture consultants have a bretty gud reputation over here
>>52495301
>accenture cunsoltants
>gud
muh keks
>>52495130
I don't care about smartphones and Apple at all. It's no use arguing.
Everyone likes different things; I'm not the kind of person who forces his tastes on other people. Although if a person is clearly doing something wrong, I do correct them (this doesn't happen much)
I do sometimes consult /g/ for software, though - for alternative software.
>>52495161
>>52495203
Thank you for explaining, guys. I'll try learning more about computers so I could be more at place on /g/.
>>52495159
can't wait..
>>52495370
IBM robot looks kickass with that cigar, I'd rather pick him.
who wants a neutered server when you can have the whole thing
>>52495247
that shit works self contained on a mainframe or on a mainframe network that uses messaging via some xyz middleware, don't be fooled. distributed systems as a single system distributed across several machines is an obsolete idea that has been discredited for the majority of applications but scientific.
>>52495301
M8 Accenture consultants are pure shit. I mean I'm biased because rival consultancy but still. Although biased implies they're even competition.
>>52495327
this guy knows
>>52495358
Honestly man, you could do 90% of tech jobs without knowing any of that.
>>52495461
That's funny, because I'm literally on a contract right now at industry forefront that would say the opposite... First project of its kind on this scale though, so I guess it makes sense that it isn't documented.
>>52495005
learning corporate meme words that are not relevant to your field is not a good place to start with technology
>>52495692
I'm a corporate meme in the purest sense, and this guy is right.
>>52495461
It might be the state on the bleeding edge, but you gotta factor in the lag between research and industry, even those being the first mover.
>>52495589
>>52495866
how does it work? NUMAlink and processor boards with hundreads of cpus?
>>52495933
IBM infosphere stack distributed across a couple hundred AIX slave nodes, with a partition & tuning config rolled out across all the nodes with Ansible. Part of a much bigger ecosystem, but that's the bit I'm handling. It runs the ETL data integration for a SAP implementation.
>>52495990
it's not a hardware solution then?
btw the captcha asked me to mark icream pictures and made me mark a frappuccino
>>52496025
Captcha showed me some beautiful sushi and now I'm craving.
I'm not sure about this hardware setup, we just provisioned space in one of the client's data warehouses, and contracted more out in another country for redundancy/DR. It's all VM based, most enterprise setups are, from my experience at least.
