Genius or average autistic dude who just copied?
Whom did he copy?
>>52431178
>>52431199
They worked alongside each-other, that's not imitation. Unless you mean to suggest that Stallman was just riding on Ritchie and Thompson's coat-tails, which is just absurd considering the level they were working at.
>>52431245
Absolutely /thread
>>52431199
R.I.P Dennis Ritchie
>>52431199
Two friends.
>>52431154
Well he made it to MIT so both genius and autist apply to him
Genius
>>52431154
>Genius
Overrated, romantic concept.
Thompson & Ritchie created C. A few of the the programs in the C-family are C++, C#, Objective-C, Java, Perl and Python.
What has Stallman created that is important and used by millions on a daily basis? Name one thing, just one.
>>52431685
so did ahmed what's your point?
>>52431779
>A few of the the programs in the C-family are C++, C#, Objective-C, Java, Perl and Python.
Fuck me, you're retarded.
>>52431789
But ahmed does make CPUs at 14
>>52431789
No he didn't he went back home to bomb-land.
>>52431779
GCC
>>52431801
He worded his post pretty matter-of-factly, as such I took his reasoning at face value as fact. Are you suggesting that Dr. Stallman is not a fraud, that Python is not apart of the C family, and I should not share such information among my peers?
Are you actually suggesting someone is lying on the internet?
>>52431838
Stallman must be a genius if the universities and lawyers of the world respect a fraud like him. The only people who don't respect him are filthy ignorant plebians.
>>52431861
You do know Dr. Stallman is a frequent guest on right-wing conspiracy shows like Info Wars, correct? How can I respect someone on the intellectual level of crackpots like Jesse Ventura and Whitley Strieber?
>>52431979
Well except you know RMS endorses cucknie sanders
>>52432006
Most people do. That's why the GOP establishment is running Trump, they know they can't beat Sanders in the primaries.
>>52431979
So what if Stallman goes on TV? It means nothing.
>>52431779
GCC
Less importantly Emacs.
genius autists who lets you copy if you let everyone else copy aswell
>>52431779
the GPL and free software
>>52431154
He's autistic for sure.
A genius - probably.
I mean he did come up with an entire ideology that has millions of followers.
He authored emacs.
He authored GCC.
>>52431818
[b] thats racism, bruh. [/b]
>>52431154
Did Stallman actually code anything of note in the last 20 or so years?
>>52433280
pretty sure he stopped coding after a long lasting injury in his hand or something.
>>52433286
What about all of those sexy photos with his thinkpad then?
>>52433297
he writes, just check out the mailing list once in a while. it's pretty entertaining at times.
>>52433317
>writes hundreds of blogposts about whatever stupid shit buggers him at the moment
>can't write a dozen lines of code because "muh hand"
Free software in a nutshell
>>52433348
he didn't write blogs while his hand was unusable either. it's just that he didn't start coding again after it was healed because he can achieve more like this. he just knows when to step back.
Stallman and Linus set back OS research by 20years. All they did was recreate existing ideas, no new ideas come out of the fsf group.
>>52433367
Hence why I've asked what did he code. Both GCC and Emacs were over two decades ago.
>>52433379
>no new ideas come out of the fsf group
i agree that linus didn't create something "new" but stallman? there simply was no FOSS compiler back then.
>>52433379
This must be the stupidest thing I've read and I've been here a while.
>>52433400
Exactly what im saying, c compilers existed. No innovation there just a copy of existing idea.
>>52433392
GDB is another example, he maintained these projects for a reasonable amount of time and co-authored a lot of other stuff.
his biggest accomplishment however isn't in code, it's copyleft and Free Software in general. he also convinced the *BSD people to use a free license.
>>52433442
he made a new one that outperformed the others and was completely free software, that's not "copying".
>>52431779
Basically Linux, Torvalds created the kernel and he designed and code everything around it like batch or gcc
>>52433474
Its sad. There is nothing I couldnt do on a Sun workstation in the 90s that I couldnt do today. Just the hardware got faster. That lack of software innovation was due to FOSS and GNU.
>>52433611
What do you think that embedded devices would be using if it weren't for Linux? Windows? Or would we just be living in the stone age with no technology?
>>52433632
Embedded device like my iphone running ios? Or maybe riscOS or the myriad of realtime OSs that existed and are better suited to the task? Hell maybe id be using Plan9 that would be great.
>>52433661
>are better suited to the task
Source?
Stop talking out of your ass.
>>52431154
literally an autist. Would not call him a genius, just a manchild.
>>52433676
At the very least they brought innovation to systems development. Cant say that for GNU. Im still waiting for someone to tell me what GNU has brought to the table. ZFS? Nope dtrace? Nope that was Sun too..
>>52431154
Smart with computers
Literally retarded with everything else
>>52433714
https://www.gnu.org/software/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_GNU_packages
>>52433784
Wow clone software. Used to make a UNIX like clone OS. Whats another word for clone? "Copy" maybe?
>>52433714
Development happens in practically every country by now, when computers are personal and all connected to each other. That development wouldn't be able to happen if things weren't open source, so any system that isn't that would be dismissed anyway after the open source alternative came out. Ideas shouldn't be chained just because you don't have the money to pay royalties to some other country. Linux is most likely the biggest open source software there is. I'm not talking about lines of code, I'm talking about the number of developers. Open source model would probably be almost non-existant if Linux and GNU wouldn't be pushing it to everyone.
>>52433821
you seem to misunderstand the words copy and clone. are you retarded by chance?
>>52433821
>Not knowing the difference between copypaste and writing from scratch while aiming to a similar result
>>52433858
>Aiming to a similar result
Nice way to say copy faggot. Absolutely no innovation in recreating which is the only thing GNU can do.
>>52433887
The innovation is obviously that the code is written from scratch so they have the full ownership of it and can give it away to the whole world freely. If the original would have done it there would be no need for those, probably.
>>52433940
>someone plagiarizes a song "aiming to a similar result"
>gives it away for free
>wow what an innovator!
>>52433954
>comparing media to code
get out you corporate shill
>>52433954
>Someone has a monopoly on wheels
>Someone else figures out how to also make wheels and starts telling people how to do it so they can make their own
>"I-i-it's a bad thing and s-s-shouldn't exist!"
When will people learn the difference between making an individual wealthier and making the world a better place?
>>52433995
Innovation makes the world a better place, not recreating the wheel.
>>52431801
Do I have to list every language derived from C? -_-
>>52431831
>>52432227
>GCC
Compiler system.
>Emacs
Text editor. XD
>>52432784
>GPL
Legal faggotry.
>free software
Bargain bin socialism for those who can't develop anything from scratch.
>>52433348
>muh hand
This!
>>52434057
How could you possibly miss that analogy? Are you thick? The point is obviously that the situation before was extinguishing innovation since it wasn't freely available. You can't create anything better if you're only allowed to smash two rocks together and that's all. If wheels only came from one distributor there's the obvious problem that they can only be as good as that distributor can make them. Not better. You need the basics to be able to improve.
>inb4 improving isn't innovation, other wheels should be square since round ones were already taken
There might be a time when people learn the difference between making an individual wealthier and making the world a better place, but that day is not today.
>>52433552
>OS derivative
Impressive. But not as impressive as a language. When the OS is at it's best, you don't think about it.
Or maybe they think that daily tinkering is coding?! XD
>>52433838
>toying this hard with the words
Ok, I'll have to break it down.
>Development happens in practically every country by now,
True.
>when computers are personal
True.
>and all connected to each other.
Half-true. Internet only makes things quicker. But if Microsoft had picked Amiga as the computer to develop an OS for, then we'd probably have a small computer revolution before the internet.
>That development wouldn't be able to happen if things weren't open source,
False. If Microsoft + Commodore had made the perfect partnership and enough people could afford their OS + Computer-bundle, people wouldn't give two shits about the software being proprietary as long as it did the work.
Or why not iPhone? Runs on proprietary software too. Was the first smart phone that won the hearts of soccer moms and dudebros alike.
>so any system that isn't that would be dismissed anyway after the open source alternative came out.
What? You get what you pay for. Period.
>Ideas shouldn't be chained just because you don't have the money
And this will only benefit the states and the big biz. Because they can afford the legal faggotry they heap over those they steal the ideas to
>to pay royalties to some other country.
Companies. You pay royalties to companies.
>>52434115
Idiot. Most tech innovation was coming out of Microsoft, Sun and plan9 inferno. GNU was too busy cloning existing software. Linux squeezed out Sun and plan9 by being "Good enough" and now we have been stuck in a innovation drought since 2000. Unless you want to tell me the GNU innovations. But i doubt you will since nobody else in this thread can.
>>52434126
>Linux is most likely the biggest open source software there is. I'm not talking about lines of code, I'm talking about the number of developers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems
>Desktop/Laptop operating system browsing statistics
>Linux 1.5%
>Web clients' OS family statistics
>Linux kernel-based 28.69%
Are you trying to tell me that most of the open source-devs are developing Linux and not programs for it?
>Open source model would probably be almost non-existant if Linux and GNU wouldn't be pushing it to everyone.
And that's why smart people stay away from the legal cesspool that GPL/GNU/FOSS is. You're telling us like it is: It's so crappy that it has to be forced on victims with underhanded tactis. Thanks a lot!
And btw, this is a cosplayer. They spend countless of their time and money to dress up as fictional characters. Just for fun. No one has been tricked into cosplaying. No one had been told that if you wear a sock that has been used in a costume, then the rest of your clothes must be cosplay too.
So isn't it hilarious? DESPITE the underhanded fraud GPL/GNU/FOSS is, you still haven't hit 2% in the browsing statistics. 20 years after the breaktrough of the internet! XD
>>52431154
>calls himself a Doctor
>only has honorary Doctorates
What a faggot. Jamie Foxx has an honorary doctorate, it means nothing.
RMS is an attention seeking faggot.
>>52434126
>Companies. You pay royalties to companies.
Which are never in every possible country, so there will be situations where there is no choice but to send money away to another country in royalty form. This is a turn-off in poor countries who still have intelligent developers, so that point stands like it was.
Disclaimer: I'm not from one of the poor countries, I just try to think globally.
>>52434226
>Number of developers in a project can be read from stats saying how big their usage share is
>>52434235
never heard him call himself a doctor.
>>52434115
copying software made an individual - RMS - quite wealthier. Now gullible people like you, just in higher positions, pay thousands for him to talk around the world about how much of a good guy and a hero he is. As it has been mentioned in this thread, he hasn't really coded anything for two decades. Also you freetards forget to mention the dozens of evil profit-hording companies that finance linux. Nothing is free, someone has to pay for it.
>>52432046
The GOP establishment is shitting their pants at the mere thought of Trump getting the nomination.
>>52434286
yet RMS still gives everything to the FSF, do you know how he lives?
>>52434277
https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2014-01/msg00208.html
>>52434286
Recycling isn't free either, it requires a gigantic project around the world which has different sections and plans and it needs a lot of investment for the ultimate goal of making the world a bit less shitty and doomed.
Feel free to earn that wealth yourself by copying RMS and start giving speeches on freedom. It would be hypocritical if he would be opposed to it since it's spreading the word.
>>52434263
Developers using Linux, what are they doing?
A) Developing mostly programs for Linux.
B) Developing mostly Linux.
C) 50-50
>>52434356
Hmm...
Why not make a knockoff RMS? I say the same thing he does, only at 25% the cost.
>>52434286
protip: free software does not mean "profit is forbidden in software"
>>52434473
Please go ahead and do so. Enjoy speaking to people.
>>52434451
They are developing minor changes or additions so they can use that project for their own interests. That is perfectly fine and Linus Torvalds encourages it.
>>52434493
How can you forbid something that has already been rendered impossible?
>>52434500
Dubs confirm!
>>52434543
>tinkering with an OS
>developing for an OS
Pick one.
>>52434576
That's just your opinion man
>>52434576
You don't. However, you believe that it is impossible to make a profit with GPL software.
>>52434576
>Gigantic companies like Intel have only been tinkering
Your 30 year old assumption that Linux is only used by basement dwellers is really affecting your communication. Go educate yourself before you really make a fool out of yourself in some place where your anonymity isn't secured.
>>52434593
No, it is not.
My work is digging ditches.
Every day I have to re-assemble the shovel, because the shovel-part and the handle disassembles during the night.
Re-assemble the showel takes only a few seconds, but re-assemble I have to.
Are those seconds productive work yes/no?
>>52434641
Yes. If you didn't do that work, you cannot do your work!
>>52434622
Then why aren't the majority of the devs jumping on the bandwagon?
>>52434629
>1.5% of the internet users
>totally regular non-basement dwellers
Nice joke!
>>52434660
No, it isn't productive work. It adds no value to the ditches.
The same thing goes for tinkering with your OS. Not productive work at all.
He's an autist.
>>52434665
Please don't make an argument by popularity. People aren't going to do what they don't understand. If people only learn about one way to make money, they will only do it that one way that they understand. Most people are woefully ignorant about free software.
>>52434678
By definition, everything that is a contributor to the outcome is productive work. If your job is to dig holes all day long, the act of buying shovels and tools are included in your productivity.
>>52434715
No, if there's a superior way to make money, then the results will speak for themselves.
>>52434735
Shovels aren't supposed to fall apart during the night. And no, buying tools aren't productive work.
>>52434914
I'm not arguing that proprietary software isn't a superior way of making money. If you believe that this was our position, there's no point in continuing as you are arguing things that we don't say.
>>52434953
Please pick the standard you want to judge software development.
A) Money
B) USI for a minority
Because if you're going to move the goalpost, I may suspect that you're some kind of dudebro socialist AHAHAHAHA MONEY DOESN'T COUNT!
(And no, tinkering with the OS isn't productive work.)
>>52435017
The standard I judge for software development is whether the software was delivered according to the user expectations and within schedule. Why is this relevant to free software?
>>52432829
Ummm I'm pretty sure Eric S. Raymond came up with that ideology but nice try.
>>52431154
Prophet.
>>52435049
>user expectations
Can be low.
>within schedule
Can have no fixed deadline.
>>52431199
>implying he copeid anything besides the general structure UNIX
It's like saying ferrari copied toyota because both have four wheels and a windshield wiper
>>52433683
well, I'm sure you have more honorary phds, give speeches across the world, helped create a userland that now dominates supercomputer and server platforms, and went to MIT as well so rms is a pretty low class manchild to you
>>52433714
GNU is literally a long list of core components, you stupid cuck
>>52433887
If there was no innovation how come UNIX faded into obscurity and only remains a trademark today while supercomputers, servers, embedded, and mobile all run forms of GNU/Linux?
>>52434057
yeah, go tell that to the patent and copyright holders
>>52433348
he's wrote and read more code than you ever will
>>52435062
Raymond was literally no one when Stallman was encouraging cooperative development of free software. Raymond is in the open sores corporate cuck area, not to be confused with the original ideology of free software
>>52435261
As explained itt. Its a list of core components that were already imagined and created by greater men.
>>52435276
Explained here.
>>52434205
>>52435374
>>52435062
>>52432829
Stallman didn't come up with the idea of free software, it was the norm since the birth of software. What Stallman did was start a formal movement promoting the ideals of free speech and voluntary cooperation within software distribution. Eric Raymond had related ideas to the free software movement but was not a promoter of the free software movement.
>>52434205
GCC
Guix
Hurd
Emacs
>>52435445
Sounds like you're the typical delusional corporate cuck
The market/user decides what's the best and then they use it, period. GNU/Linux was superior to Inferno, Sun, and Microsoft for its dominant market areas and therefore grew there. While it might not have had all the latest experimental features (which tend to fade to obscurity the majority of the time anyway), it was superior enough with licensing to be the UNIX derivative of choice. Protip, people don't care about innovatshiun as much as they care about having a system that they can continue to build upon for their needs. The only people that put innovashiun above a functioning free systems are the hipster faggots writing blog posts about Plan9 and inferno and how great things could have been
>>52435625
Plan 9 and Inferno are fantastic. The problem is that the people aren't willing to invest to migrate their software infrastructure to Plan 9 when they feel it's cheaper to maintain their infrastructure in GNU/Linux.
>>52435450
>it was the norm since the birth of software.
It was a quickly fading norm that he saved and transformed into a concrete ideology. People shared code because computing was not market ready to restrict that sharing.
>>52435655
If they were fantastic they would have been adopted long ago. Protip, being fantastic is not limited to the technical architecture of the OS. While I agree that Plan9 and Inferno were conceptually fantastic they still failed as an OS.Adaptation has more to do with marketing and licensing than it does with pure architectural terms.
>>52435691
I can accept this explanation but I wouldn't characterize the narrative in that way.
>>52434235
>>52434341
What a fucking faggot. Does he refer to Bill Gates as Dr Gates thanks to his honorary law degree from Harvard?
>>52435625
This whole post is proof that GNU does not innovate because its GOOD NUFF and has set back OS research by decades (clone dont innovate is the mantra of the freetard)
>>52435828
If that's how he'd like to be addressed, he's entitled to do so.
>>52435838
That doesn't make any sense. There is no connection between the existence of GNU and the lack of other people doing OS research.
>>52435865
And I bet you think there is no connection between the dark ages and the Church.
>>52435847
Kanye West has an honorary doctorate.
If Kanye West went round and told everyone 'call me Dr West', would you think 'oh well that's his right, he's entitled', or would you think 'look at that pretentious faggot'
We both know deep down it would be the second. That's what Stallman is, a pretentious faggot. He may have the 'right' to call himself a doctor since he has an honorary degree, but exercising that right makes him a huge fucking attention seeker.
Freetards are hilarious.
>>52435901
What's your point in spouting irrelevant nonsense? There is no connection between the dark ages and the Church either.
>>52435838
If that's what you want to believe, fine.
In reality, OS research has only increased with permissive licenses sourcing from the GNU/Linux userland. It allows everyone to do research on a common system without the worry of licensing. or obtaining/publishing of source code. The GPL also restricts proprietary derivatives meaning that corporations can't steal code without giving back. GNU/Linux has done more for OS research than any OS in the world.
>>52435901
>being this much of a fucking fedora
The cause of the "Dark Age" was the collapse of the Western Roman Empire and the waves of invasions and raiding that followed it. Without the larger economy and administrative infrastructure of the Empire to sustain them, trade systems, large public works and educational systems all collapsed, contracted into local versions or died out in western Europe. And waves of invasions by various Germanic peoples, Avars, Moors, Magyars and Vikings made mere survival a higher priority than things like preserving books or maintaining road systems.
The idea that Christianity caused or significantly contributed to the fall of the Western Empire has long since been rejected by modern historians. It clearly wasn't a significant factor, since while the Western Empire collapsed, the equally (or even more) Christian Eastern Empire continued for another 1000 years without collapsing and without any "Dark Age".
>>52435903
Well the difference is that RMS has 15 honorary degrees.
>>52435903
>hat's what Stallman is, a pretentious faggot. He may have the 'right' to call himself a doctor since he has an honorary degree, but exercising that right makes him a huge fucking attention seeker.
In case you haven't noticed by now, he doesn't give a shit what you call him. It's academia, with their faggot political correctness that decides to label him that.
>>52435901
>Christianity caused the dark ages
Don't you have a school to shoot up or something?
>>52435996
Universities don't award honorary doctorates for the sake of political correctness.
>>52435996
>>52435986
Oh I see, so ONE honorary degree isn't good enough, but 15 is? Right I get it
Nice goalpost shifting you're doing there, Stallman is a pretentious faggot and nothing you whiny freetards do or say can change that.
>>52436040
Cool story bro
>>52436040
>s a pretentious faggot and nothing you whiny freetards do or say can change that
that's a nice opinion you have there
>>52436035
That's true but imho, honorary doctorates don't deserve titles. While Stallman is autistic about many things, his title is not one of them. He doesn't care what you call him as long as it's not the "father of open source". He's not really absorbed in academia or formalities. He eats shit from his foot and takes off his socks during speeches.
>>52435962
If you want to live in the dark ages of GNU then thats fine. I was around when sun was releasing zones and ZFS and plan9 was mind blowing...20 years ago.
>>52436147
ZFS was free software when it was first published. What's your point?
>>52436192
ZFS isnt GNU.
>>52436214
Sure.
>>52436147
Sorry the world is not as simple as you want it to be. Plan9 was great on paper, just like a bunch of *isms and expensive architectural plans that never made it past the drawing board. It failed completely in the real world while being perfect on paper because getting an OS to be adapted is a long complex process. GNU was well rounded enough with innovation, open licensing, and stability to make it.
>>52436237
So where is all this great research in GNU linux? All ive heard is gcc and emacs.
>>52436281
Did you know Hurd is a research project about giving the ultimate control of the computer to non-priviledged computer users?
>>52436310
You mean the kernel thats been developed since before Linux? Yeah. Its the reason Linux exist since Gnu never had a stable kernel.
>>52436361
No I'm not. GNU's kernel has been complete for ages. What are you talking about? I'm talking about Hurd here, not GNU's kernel.
>>52436413
Do a bit more research hurd has been around since 1990 its at version .7. Gnu innovation at the pace of snail shit.
>>52436436
You asked for GNU research then dismiss an example of research? Moving goalposts much?
>>52436459
No goalposts have been moved. I didnt ask for just Gnu research. I asked for gnu research at the level of Sun and or Plan9. You gave me an unstable kernel that even gentoo abandoned.
>>52436281
tons of core utils
glibc
a long list you can read yourself on the site. Tons of code that has been absorbed into other projects.
You seem to think that everything that isn't labeled "le innovashiun" by a proprietary corporation is non existent.
>So where is all this great research in GNU linux?
I don't know. Why don't you look in the CS and research department of any famous academic establishment. I'm sure they're running XP or inferno as core research topics and not GNU/Linux.
Go look at the corporate research done for servers and supercomputers. It's dominantly based on GNU/Linux and its derivatives. All this stems from GNU components and derivatives. You would see it more clearly if GNU wasn't free software that decided to lock and sue for the use of their code
>>52436491
Hurd isn't even a kernel, are you sure you know what you're talking about?
>>52436436
Hurd was discarded when Linux came around as it was not necessary to waste resources on a more difficult microkernel when Linux was able to provide the final piece for the GNU OS
>>52436508
Its a microkernel, mouthbreather.
>>52436522
I wouldn't say 'discarded' to describe Hurd. Hurd is no longer a priority project for the FSF when Linux became mature as a free kernel project. It still here and still moving slowly.
>>52436547
Hurd is not a kernel, Hurd is not a microkernel. Try again.
>>52436550
Yes. You're right. Wrong choice of words on my part.
>>52436550
Linux kills its own research. Why innovate Linux is good nuff! I think that should conclude my argument.
>>52436588
at least you can modify it if it's not "gued enuff"
It seems that your logic implies that the only thing that would foster innovation is a proprietary broken OS.
Making theory into a working stable OS is not as easy as you think, despite what you learned in CS101
