i've read that OS X is essentially just a BSD
if OS X is unix based, why do people continue to bash it
>>52420716
Because /g/ is full of edgy neckbeards.
OS X is a UNIX with a nice coat of paint. Get under the hood and you'll find that everything you want is there. Bash, nano, Vim, etc.
>>52420716
Because its locked down and takes alot of effort to bring it back to "full distro" status.
/g/ also hates apple.
Its just like chromebooks, the os is based on gentoo but it takes a very long time and alot of effort to get everything gentoo normally needs, such as proper libraries and directories, and a full install of portage.
And /g/ hates google.
Its a good operating system, i liked the iMacs my highschool had, they were nice to use, OSX feels friendly. Then again i wasnt trying to do anything more than use a few adobe programs and dick around in google earth.
>>52420716
>why do people continue to bash it
i c wat u did thar
>>52421226
im a funny cunt
what can i say
>>52421305
>>52420860
os x has ONE "lockdown" setting, which is "do you want to allow running unsigned apps?" and it takes 2 seconds to change.
>>52420716
OS X is the only acceptable GUI OS for productivity ive found. Windows is a bummer to script or edit on, file open dialogs are garbage, and you have to add SSH and Bash yourself.
>>52420716
The first obvious problem is the closed source nature of large components of it, like the WM or whatever.
Darwin isn't a great kernel even though it's BSD based, and in OS X underperforms in some things. There are benchmarks comparing them, here's one.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=osx-3-linux&num=1
Also, HFS, OS X's file system is behind as well.
But then there's the issue people have with closing a window not closing a process, some people like it others don't for what ever reason.
Then there's memes like "locked down", "walled garden", or "fisher price os". People tend to fall short on proving its locked down though.
Though with Mac Ports, Brew, XQuartz, and Spectactle I've found it quite comfy. But we'll just let the neckbeards have their cheap lower resolution Thinkpads that run linux.
10.9.5 is/was master race-ish. YoSemite and El Vapidtan have caused me a tremendous amount of headache.
>Enter key renames files
>Apple-O to open a file
>>52421568
>10.9.5 is/was master race-ish.
That's a funny way to spell 10.6.8
>>52421608
well ain't that a funny way to spell 10.3.9
>>52420716
literally fox and grapes
>>52421543
I'd like to interject for a moment, Darwin is the apple's open-source OS and XNU is the kernel.
>>52421599
i'm a macfag now and this is literally the only thing that bugs the shit out of me
makes me wanna stab someone
>>52420716
the only people who are trying to bash it are the ones who didn't use it for more than a week, max they did was click around it in an Apple Store, and that's
>>52421608
I'll admit that you are absolutely right!
>>52420716
OSX is a patchwork of several different unix systems.
It has components taken from NeXT("cocoa", graphics, and userland), FreeBSD(userland and system utilities), OpenBSD(OpenSSH, pf), the kernel is based on Mach with parts of it developed in-house and pretty much everything else is in-house.
OSX is UNIX but calling it a BSD is kinda misleading
>>52423425
>describe exactly why osx is not unix
>osx is unix
b8/10
>>52423455
It's definitely a unix system. Apple has a license and OSX is POSIX compliant. It's just not based on code from AT&T.
>>52420860
>Its just like chromebooks, the os is based on gentoo but it takes a very long time and alot of effort to get everything gentoo normally needs,
If you honestly think OS X is anything like that then you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Fuck, you even get root access out of the box with OS X.
>>52423657
>you even get root access out of the box with OS X.
>mactards actually brag about having root access in their toddler os
YOU CANT MAKE THIS SHIT UP
Why are you retards even on /g/?
>>52423707
Why can't /v/irgins read more than one post?
Because bash is the worst shell.
Use ksh or ash
>>52424229
It doesn't even use a bash from this century.
>>52423657
Are you retarded? Are you SERIOUSLY acting as if getting root access is something to be proud of?
The system is proprietary. You could conceivably modify anything on it, but in practice you cannot because you do not have the necessary information. You do not know how it works. You have the necessary permissions to modify it, but cannot do so effectively.
>>52424324
Again, why can't you /v/irgins read more than one post? I'll let you try again.
>i use an OS from a company that literally doesn't give a single shit about security
>meanwhile even M$ patched lelnovo's superfish fuckup within 24 hours of it being found
>>52421599
>>52422296
BetterTouchTool is your solution.
>t. macfag since christmas
>>52424448
>needing 3rd party hacks to make your shit tier toddler OS usable
topkek
>>52424485
Looks like someone has never used anything more than Ubuntu
>>52421543
>close doesn't close
I though 1337 haxxors were supposed to use keyboard for everything. On both OSX and Linux I use hotkeys to close windows and programs. Windows is actually shit at this since there's no standardized hotkey.
>ctrl q on OS X
>alt shift q on Linux
>>52420716
They are poor and jealous and easily swayed by their peers.
>>52424229
People have used bash at every job I've had.
>web dev
>university software research
>Intel malicious software analysis
>>52424229
People have used bash at every job I've had.
>web dev
>university software research
>Intel malicious software analysis
>>52424823
>>52424826
T-thanks floens
>>52420716
because if i take a shit in a very good book it's still a book full of shit
>>52424955
>its shit, but i wont tell you why :^)
>>52421485
>os x has ONE "lockdown" setting
how about the one that gives you a bloated hipster GUI or the other one that restricts you from changing the source code and running your own version of it
>OS X is the only acceptable GUI OS for productivity ive found. Windows is a bummer to script or edit on, file open dialogs are garbage, and you have to add SSH and Bash yourself.
Windows is good for Windows things
Linux is good for Linux things
OS X does a half assed job at both and ultimately sucks
>>52420716
>why do people keep bashing on it
Because they're ignorant and fall for the fisher price meme.
But there are things that suck in OS X.
>POSIX tools that make Debian look bleeding edge
>garbage WM OOtB
>Requiring proprietary xcode to build software
>HFS+(!)
>XNU is kinda not that great either
>Shittiest default terminal since cmd.exe
Basically OS X Unix sucks out of the box even though the graphical system is supposedly made to "just work"
>>52422341
bought a macbook, used it for half a year
it's shit
luckily this thing runs linux great
>>52425047
>>garbage WM OOtB
It's probably the best staking WM there is.
In before you seriously try to argue for tiling WMs.
>>52425268
definitely, it stacks windows like nothing ive ever seen
they are so well stacked its unbelievable
>no maximize
>no snapping
>no tiling
even windows has had that shit for years now
>>52424823
>>52424826
And Java is used everywhere. Your point?
>>52425268
>It's probably the best staking WM there is.
How is Apple able to sell OS X for a profit when it's based off Linux which is open source/free?
Isn't that illegal?
>>52420716
>people continue to bash it
he he
>>52425389
>when it's based off Linux
Freetards ladies and gentlemen.
>>52425443
>a freetard would confuse free as in freedom vs libre
>>52420816
>implying it's actually UNIX
>implying even the fucking kernel isn't a recursive abbreviation saying otherwise
>XNU is Not UNIX
Saged, hidden, reported, printed out, set on fire, fapped on ashes, made protein shake out of it, fed to OPs mom
as a long time mac user i can easily say os x is truly a bastardize version of unix.
they either adopted everything great about unix and haven't touched it (i'm looking at you bash) in 10+ years, or heavily modified it into a pile of rubbish.
then apple shitting on open source development lately. taking projects, using them to get off the ground, then "rewrite" their own "version" under a closed source license. see the discoveryd (apple's closed source "replacement") vs mdnsresponder (opensource and used since 10.2) debacle. their closed source was so terrible they switched back to mdnsresponder. another recent one is apple's metal api. apple adopted opengl, used it for awhile, then stopped giving a shit about it. then later joined the vulkan group to only go "lol" and crafted their own based off of vulkan, closed source, metal api.
>>52425306
>>no maximize
"Maximize" was useful in the 90s when we had 640x480 and could literally only show one or two windows on screen at the same time. Are you one of those people who buys a 2560x1440 monitor and maximizes everything?
Either way, Alt+Green button or you know, just double click on the titlebar (just like Windows)
>>no snapping
I hope you mean snap to edges and not "aerosnap".
Either way it's in El Capitan if you meant the latter.
>>no tiling
Windows doesn't have tiling either. If you're going to include 3rd party applications then OS X has this AND aerosnap.
>>52425345
What's wrong with it then. I mean you obviously seem to know it's issues, so it should be easy to list them.
>>52424485
>not needing third-party hacks to make Linux usable
A Linux distro is by definition a collection of third-party hacks to make Linux usable.
>>52425564
Thanks for stating my point. Now what's the point you're trying to make?
>>52425551
>Either way it's in El Capitan if you meant the latter.
>literally a decade after vista
>mactoddlers will defend this
topkek
>>52420716
>i've read that OS X is essentially just a BSD
On which apple website did you read this?
>if OS X is unix based, why do people continue to bash it
Because its not and people don't like liars.
>>52425564
>>52425551
>Defending the lack of options you get with OSX
>>52425598
replied to wrong person, also changed wording to more appropriate
>>52425587
Are you really going to defend Windows?
On /g/? When it LITERALLY just got workspaces in 2015?
>>52425603
If you like options then why are you using Windows? It's the most locked down OS in common use.
>>52425673
Are you really going to defend OSX?
On /g/? When it LITERALLY still uses a 1980's filesystem in 2016?
>>52425023
I-.. where's the argument here? So, OS X isn't 100% open source and modifiable, so it's shit? Windows and Chrome OS both have the same issue, so are they bad? Bloated hipster GUI, subjective-much? Also, bloated? How so? What exactly are "windows things" and "Linux things", and how is OS X a shitty mixture of both? This whole post is literally just baseless mud-slinging.
>>52425705
Yes, since it's slightly behind Linux in terms of flexibility and lightyears ahead in usability.
How's Powershell treating you?
>>52425551
maximizing is useful to me, but then again i actually do things other than taking cocks in my ass
windows does have simple tiling, at least windows 7 did
>>52425739
>slightly behind Linux
>this is what mactoddlers actually believe
>>52425746
Right click taskbar
Show windows Side by Side
>>52425389
Falling for the bait here.
It's based on Berkeley Unix (and a bit on some other systems) which predates both Linux and OS X. Linux and OS X share little if any code.
Selling Linux for money is allowed by its license (GPL2) and that's exactly what Novell, Red Hat, Oracle do. You may or may not be stupid for paying, depending on the situation.
Very early Linux (like in 1993 or something) was licensed noncommercial but young Torvalds changed his mind.
>linux
>great for server use, much easier to maintain than windows imo
>windows
>great for desktop use, much easier to train non-techies how to use imo
>osx
>great for starbucks use, much easier to attract homosexuals who will penetrate your anus all night imo
>>52425746
>maximizing is useful to me
Yes, those two or three applications that are actually worth using "maximized" will also "maximize" on OS X you know. For example photoshop.
>but then again i actually do things other than taking cocks in my ass
Clearly you don't since you're using Windows. Chances are you're either a code monkey, cubicle slave or MAYBE you're doing some CAD work.
>windows does have simple tiling, at least windows 7 did
Literally resizes all your windows once and that's it. It was completely and utterly worthless for any real use, even in the 90s.
>>52425770
Any *nix OS is far, far, far, far more flexible than Windows will ever be. But you'll keep avoiding the argument.
>>52425814
>>windows
>>great for desktop use
Windows Explorer doesn't even have tabs. You can't even drag files into an "Open File" dialog.
>>52425817
>those two or three applications that are actually worth using "maximized" will also "maximize"
>still defending lack of options
>>52425817
>macshit
>even qualifying as a *nix
>only "nix" in existance even more of a security ridden bloated virus infested pile of shit than windows
lmao
OSX is a joke, apple are skiddie retards, and you're a brain less gullible moron.
Oh look, you posted an anime image and a pithy remark. You sure showed us. Well done.
Arguing about who's operating system does x or y better is like competing at the special Olympics. Even if you win a gold medal you're still fucking retarded.
>>52425832
Again, you're defending Windows, by far the least flexible and most locked down OS you could have chose to use in 2015. How can you possibly talk about options when you have none?
>>52425839
And you did exactly what I said you would. I wonder how long it'll be until you post another b8 fish or smug animu girl.
Anyway, why don't you explain to us how OS X isn't a *nix OS.
>>52425857
>>52425863
>mactoddler
>calling anything else the least flexible and most locked down OS
topkek
>>52420716
Because it does it poorly.
Apple's stubbornness to the users freedom means that it has ancient versions of commonly used unix software.
Apple's short support cycles mean that their hardware becomes useless quicker than other manufacturers (unless you ditch OS X).
Apple even locked out third party DVD burners from OS X until the switch to intel.
Even simple shit requires third party software (which is either unpolished or non-free as in beer).
OS X also lacks the flexibility of other OSs. I can set up a headless gnu/linux system in minutes, I can't do the same with OS X.
Not to mention that OS X itself has many design flaws (the filesystem is a big one).
This is coming from someone who exclusively used Macs (not running OS X) until the switch to intel.
It's great if you need to SSH into a proper gnu/linux box once a year, but it's terrible for actual unix work.
>>52425711
>I-.. where's the argument here? So, OS X isn't 100% open source and modifiable, so it's shit?
yes, but not because of that, but that makes it locked down
>Windows and Chrome OS both have the same issue, so are they bad?
Chrome OS is garbage, Windows is bad but the best tool for certain things ... mostly things microsoft also made.
>Bloated hipster GUI, subjective-much?
shit animations, inconvenient features that look good but suck ass when you try to use them
hell you've even got a virtual desktop for garbage like a virtual desk calculator and some sticky notes.
>What exactly are "windows things" and "Linux things", and how is OS X a shitty mixture of both?
Windows things are developing windows software, using proprietary tools for specific purposes, office use, and in certain cases production
Linux things are general programming, servers, embedded devices, infrastructure, virtualization, experimenting
in osx you got some of the same windows tools, similar, but usually not as good, you got a lot of the same tools you find in a linux distro but none of the open and modular systems behind it
stop pretending you don't know exactly why OS X sucks ... well if you've actually used it
>>52425817
>Clearly you don't since you're using Windows. Chances are you're either a code monkey, cubicle slave or MAYBE you're doing some CAD work.
im not using windows, you autistic orangutan
>>52425891
You don't even know what a Unix-like is.
>>52425944
Then why are you defending it?
>>52425544
>>52425919
lol same fag
>>52426073
>Then why are you defending it?
because it's a better proprietary OS than homosex
>>52426105
Nah.
I wouldn't call myself a long time mac user any more.
Ex Mac user would be more appropriate.
Even then, it was only cause I was fond of PPC.
>>52426143
This desu senpai.
OSX is literally a joke, used only by complete utter retards and/or cucks.
Apple has never, nor will it ever give a single shit about any of their products other than whether or not it sells.
See
>>52424437
>>52425705
>>52425023
>restricts you from changing the source code and running your own version of it
I have actual things to do with my time, I'm not going to rewrite my already fine desktop environment
>>52426143
>file manager has no tabs
>can't drag files into "Open File" dialogs
>powershell instead of a Unix style terminal
>everything is a GUI, even automating tasks
>illogical filesystem hirearchy
>can't mount arbitrary filesystems natively
>doesn't even ship with SSH
>UAC popups every 5 minutes
>half baked notification system
>horribly inconsistent UI (especially with Windows 10)
>updates still require reboots
>have to go find drivers manually
>terrible permisions system
I mean those are a few things that come to mind.
I don't believe anyone who has seriously used Linux or OS X would willingly defend Windows.
osx is ok as a daily laptop
other than that i dont see literally any reason to run it over *nix or winblows
Nobody here actually hates OS X (I think)
They hate the unjustifiable premium and hardware exclusivity of it. No point in using it when Ubuntu or whatever can do the same senpai.
>>52425863
>implying I didn't explain how it isn't in >>52425542
>>52420716
OS X pros:
>*nix so it has a terminal and a lot of the *nix shit as a GNU/Linux system would have.
>Extremely user friendly
>Great trackpad functionality and hardware integration
>Great built-in software
>Has a lot of software to make the experience even better
>Proprietary software (Adobe programs, Final Cut, you fucking name it)
>Few malicious software
>A lot of the system is open source like most of Apple's own drivers and the kernel (see Apple's open source pages).
>Good recovery system
>Lovely application installation
>Subjectively looks good unless you're stuck in the 2000s with fat edgy black taskbars with neon green text.
Cons:
>Absolute fucking shit drivers from all parts, nVidia, AMD, Apple and the rest. These are god damn abysmal.
>Few drivers at all
>Which means less peripherals for the OS
>Most built-in software is proprietary.
>Works mainly on Mac machines, relatively hard to get working on a normal machine.
>Shit keyboard with unorthodox keys and shortcuts.
>Lately, Apple has shut the system more down by disallowing root access unless you enable it in the recovery partition
>Multi-monitor ability is relatively crap (not as crap as certain other OS, but still crap)
>Fucking nasty UI if you don't like it.
>Guaranteed backdoors
>*nix parts are often outdated
>iTunes is beyond disgusting (can't even play FLAC files)
>App Store sucks dicks
>HFS+ is bad
>No games (those few that exists runs like shit thanks to #1)
>The .DS_Store system is nautiating
>>52420860
> /g/ hates Google
If they did they would admit that anything Google-branded will attempt to circumvent your civil rights.
If they did they wouldn't be circle jerking over android. If they did they would admit to themselves that Google is worse than Apple in more ways than not.
>>52426352
Fuckin this, anon. Fuckin this!
>>52424448
nah i'm used to it now. i'd have to unlearn it.
but at first it made me incredibly angry since it goes against everything i learned in windows and linux.
>>52426252
concept of freedom, motherfucker. do you speak it.
>>52425857
well, 'better' is certainly subjective, but there certainly are valid points to be made here. again, see 'freedom for dummies'.
>>52421700
>>52421608
>>52421568
i'm kinda-fine with yosemite, but i'm not going to install el capifuckyou ever. no writing in /usr/ even as root is simply fucking ridiculous. i have been moving to working on my linux machine gradually over the past few years anyway, i'm not far from ditching os x for good. after the exams i'm installing a dual boot and if it performs well then into the trash goes this insanity that is os x. not like i'm using any adobe products any longer anyway.
>>52426260
>using a malware spybotnet os
>shit tier babby file manager that tries to hide everything from you except "muh facebook pik-chrrs"
>because the FM is such shit you're forced to use the spotlight crutch
>spotlight sends every single keystroke you type back to applel to harvest and analyze
>it then harvests your location and runs it through bing to shove targeted ads in your face
>hfs in 20-fucking-16 that makes even ntfs seem revolutionary
>absolute joke for security
>major security problems either not fixed for YEARS or that version of OSX just gets outright abandoned in favor of releasing a new OSX
>every fucking folder gets cluttered with .DS_store and __MACOSX and duplicates of ._every_single_fucking_file.jpg
>applel store is literally 1984 with SJWtardism
>mass censorship of anything even remotely "offensive"
>every single "free" upgrade since they got rid up paid updates has added ZERO functionality to OSX other than iCrap integration shit
OSX is complete shit. No one who has used it for more than a month seriously would legitimately use this unless they were forced to for work or for shilling.
>>52426580
>Gets a list of actual issues
>Replies with memes
I wish /v/ would leave.
>>52426606
>gets list with actual issues
>replies with meme
>>>/lgbt/
>>52425705
Better a working if flawed file system than a unused mess of an operating system if you can even call Linux an OS.
>>52420716
why do people bash ubuntu?
>hfs in 20-fucking-16
[Insert current-year meme here]
>>52426613
More memes. It's also really obvious how frustrated you are. I'm not even sure why.
>>52425827
Why do you need tabs?
The average neanderthal normiefaggot doesn't even understand how to use multiple tabs in web browsers.
>>52426352
this is all true. i would further stress the point that it's actually a breeze to develop for because small hardware base and cocoa. i use neither itunes nor the app store, so at least i'm spared the pain of that, but even that i'm increasingly turned off by the cons listed here.
also, even though i know this is childish and kinda stupid, i'm disgusted by the apple user base. not the professionals in particular, but the iphone-and-ipad-crowd. it makes apple overall a worse company because they have to cater to this customer base they've built for themselves.
>>52426648
>if i don't like reality i'll just call it a meme
>mactard logic
>>52426665
>The average neanderthal normiefaggot doesn't even understand how to use multiple tabs in web browsers.
You haven't been outside for a while, have you? It was like that in 2006-2007. Today everyone uses tabs, even your fucking mother.
>>52426706
>Can be turned off
And blocked in various ways, unlike everything Windows 10. What point are you getting at here?
>>52426665
You let normies dictate how to use your computer?
>>52426713
I've never seen my mother try to browse the web while I'm fucking her.
>>52426736
>And blocked in various ways
>he actually thinks this turns it off
Mactoddlers confirmed as deluded as ms shills that pretend turning it off in the OS actually turns it off.
>the world is black and white
time to grow out of your literal kindergarten attitude, anons
>worked for a MSP
>spend two days a week at a school that is half mac half pc, about 35 of each, plus like 2 dozen ipads
>coworker took updated all the software on one of the macs and created an image of it
>copied this image to all the other macs (all identical hardware)
>between one to two weeks later, macs start taking 45+ minutes to boot
>occurs to machines randomly, and sometimes stops happening for a day or 3 only to come back
>verbose boot shows nothing out of the ordinary
>single user takes 45 seconds to boot
>reimage and it's good for another week or two
>take one of the offending machines to apple store
>spend 3 hours troubleshooting
>they can't find shit wrong with it
>eventually give up, do clean install and manually install software
>been a week, waiting to see if it happens again
>have a mac server too
>network user accounts constantly break and have to be recreated
>sharing printers doesn't push out the driver, only the connection
>have to install workgroup manager on one of the client machines, install shared printer, then share THAT connection to get it to even pass the job to the server
>print jobs don't work, get "server paused" message
>finally give up and share print queues from windows server
>works perfectly
FUCK MAC OS
>>52426736
>>Can be turned off
>And blocked in various ways, unlike everything Windows 10.
>he actually believes this
>>52426766
>Doesn't know about little snitch or custom router firmwares
You're on /g/.
>>52426580
If you don't know _anything_ about OS X why'd you bother posting?
>>52426789
>work for a MSP*
>>52426802
If you don't know _anything_ about technology why are you even on /g/?
>>52426802
>Gets a list of actual issues
>Replies with memes
I wish /lgbt/ would leave.
>>52426789
also, in 6 months, i've never had a single issue with a windows machine that didn't turn out to be user error
>>52426260
most of these are valid complaints, but can be fixed in a matter of minutes with third party software
>>52426713
>today everyone uses tabs
Not the population that's over 40
>>52426736
Apple is the king of normies and they've pretty much dictated how you use your computer and how your computer/phone looks for the past 10 years
>>52425863
>Again, you're defending Windows, by far the least flexible and most locked down OS you could have chose to use in 2015. How can you possibly talk about options when you have none?
>MFW i install windows on common PC hardware
>Do that with OSX and then call me
BTFO
>poorfags jealous they aren't part of the os x master race
>>52426821
>>52426838
>using a malware spybotnet os
It what ways would you suggest OS X is a 'malware sypbotnet os' (Seriously)?
>shit tier babby file manager that tries to hide everything from you except "muh facebook pik-chrrs"
Files that aren't important to 99.999% users, and are easily unhidden? Muh sensible defaults?!
>because the FM is such shit you're forced to use the spotlight crutch
Calling something shit isn't actually an argument?
>spotlight sends every single keystroke you type back to applel to harvest and analyse
This is normal considering it has a built in web search and suggestions, what do you expect?
>it then harvests your location and runs it through bing to shove targeted ads in your face
This doesn't happen and I would love to see proof.
>hfs in 20-fucking-16 that makes even ntfs seem revolutionary
HFS is a shit. I literally bitch about this every day, we nearly got ZFS in '07 but that went to shit. :(
>absolute joke for security
Not actually any worse than Windows.
>major security problems either not fixed for YEARS or that version of OSX just gets outright abandoned in favor of releasing a
new OSX
Apple's spotty reputation on security in the past has been a major bummer, it's getting better just look at the security content of all the 8.x and 9.x releases fixed CVE after fixed CVE.
>every fucking folder gets cluttered with .DS_store and __MACOSX and duplicates of ._every_single_fucking_file.jpg
.DS_stores suck, and a loving vestige of the older days of the Finder, but the __MACOSX folders are a way to persevere resource fork compatibility with zip files, wouldn't want your data to go missing!
>applel store is literally 1984 with SJWtardism
Skipping this one for the obvious reason that it can't be serious.
>mass censorship of anything even remotely "offensive"
Que?
>every single "free" upgrade since they got rid up paid updates has added ZERO functionality to OSX other than iCrap integration shit
This is a lie.
>>52427095
>i eat shit from my hands
>master race
>>52427086
What hardware an OS runs on doesn't dictate how locked down it is, just what hardware it has support for. The things you can do to and with the OS are what dictates how locked down it is.
OS X is less locked down than Windows in that respect.
>>52427131
>Spends life making attack art against apple
>master race
>>52427176
>Spends life eating shit from his hands
>master race
lmao
>>52427156
>The things you can do to and with the OS are what dictates how locked down it is.
>OS X is less locked down than Windows in that respect.
>>52420716
OSX is Unix like Solaris or Irix while Linux is simply Posix compliant. For some reason, this pisses some people off to no end and they go insane trying to think of a rebuttal. It's kinda sad to watch.
>>52427156
>The things you can do to and with the OS are what dictates how locked down it is
Installing it onto common PC hardware is something that is VERY common in the windows world
BTFO
AGAIN
>>52427215
>massive 2 year headline topping legal battle
>explicitly because BSD contained actual UNIX AT&T code
>entire point of mach was to create a unix-like replacement kernel for BSD so they could remove all traces of actual UNIX code from BSD
>applel on deathbed waiting for CM to finish mach 3.0 kernel
>BillyG has to bail them out from bankruptcy
>applel can't wait anymore and takes half finished mach 2.5 kernel, shoehorns in a bunch of ultra shit tier nextstep code to justify buying nextstep, bolts on BSD tools, and 50 millions lines of spaghetti code later, shits out the steaming pile of shit known as OS X
>mactoddlers unironically call osx UNIX in 2016 the year of our lord stallman, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, give us each day our daily freedoms, and forgive us our proprietary programs, for we ourselves forgive everyone who is indebted to us, and lead us not into the homosex wasteland that is cuptertino
>>52427204
>Spends life hating on people online because of their tech choices but ultimately will never find the acceptance he deeply craves
>master race
>>52427233
>Installing OS X on PC hardware isn't very common in the OS X world.
See how that doesn't work?
>>52427242
>Spends life hating on people online because of their tech choices but ultimately will never find the acceptance he deeply craves
>master race
my dad works at Bell labs and he saw this thread and laughed
>>52427242
That's literally every mactard in a nutshell.
>>52427272
Wow, I think you just won the argument. Pack it up everyone, thread over.
>>52427272
rekt
>>52427262
>not given the option too even install it on any hardware
>Still tries to defend the lack of flexibility
ITS GETTING FUCKING HOT IN HERE BOYS
>>52427296
Really, because most 'mactards' don't even care what OS other people use. It's /g/ really.
OS X complies with the UNIX 03 product standard so by definition it is Unix.
>thread
Died in the wool Macfag here - I will sacrifice my first born for a stable ZFS port to OSX. Get me out of this HFS hell
>>52427294
Your dad works for Nokia.
>>52427326
>Install games on windows PC
>They work
MACFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>52427326
A general purpose OS for all machines 'Windows'
A general purpose OS for all Apple machines 'OS X'
One of these is a full Unix OS that ships _with_ development tools and is _partially_ open source.
One of these is a POSIX OS that ships _without_ development tools and is not open source.
We all know the OS that can do the most arguably is Linux, but know one in there right mind wants to do that so we're left with OS X as a happy middle ground.
>>52427375
Microsoft owns nokia...nuoh my god
M$ CONFIRMED FOR UNIX
>>52420716
Because they are poor. OS X is POSIX-certified, unlike Linux and is actually stable. There is a reason most developers use macs.
>>52427370
BTRFS, please.
>>52427422
>OS X
>actually stable.
gr8 b8 m8
>>52427422
Fuck POSIX, it's UNIX.
>>52427437
>macshit
>unix
>mactoddlers actually think if they meme it enough it becomes true
lmao
>>52420716
>UNIX is good
Nice meme. UNIX is literal cancer given software form.
>>52424485
>>52425564
some of the best distros (i.e. slackware. slackware is the only good distro period end of story) are extended and made more usable thanks to third-party tools and utilities that the core dev team does not have time or resources (or desire) to implement "officially". the 64-bit version of slackware was a "third-party hack" for years before it became part of the official release.
>>52427437
>>52427356
Stay BTFO macfags. :^)
>>52427450
No, I think because it's UNIX that means it's UNIX.
>>52427467
Funny thing is BSD =! OS X
>>52427470
>mactards are actually this deluded
>>52427451
Unless you were in the computer science field during the 1970s you have probably never used it kid.
>>52427492
http://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/brand3555.htm
I dunno, am I?
>>52427483
>release os
>uses experimental bsd kernel
>uses sloppily tacked on bsd tools
>uses applel made bloated clusterfuck joke ui
>contains no unix code whatsoever
>call it unix
Mactardism is a mental illness.
>>52427501
18-30 something calling other 18-30 something a kid.
The fact is, if he used UNIX he's used UNIX. In 1980 all the UNIX machines didn't float of to space and never come back.
>>52420860
and that thhe main issue most people who love tech hate about apple myself included I can not stand using OSX but if my 73 year old grandmother wanted a computer I would not sagest a windows pc Id tell her to get the cheapest mac she could that or a chrome book (preferably the chrome book as it doint overcharge for the device)
>>52427526
Pretty sure the Open Group called in UNIX.
>>52427412
>In 1980 all the UNIX machines didn't float of to space and never come back.
>STILL DEFENDING THE LACK OF OPTIONS
HOLY SHIT BOIS
I CANT MAKE THIS SHIT UP
>>52427525
>paying a boatload of cash to a defunct irrelevant organization magically transforms applel spaghetti code into actual unix code
>>52427614
>actual unix code
Is this a thing?
>>52427467
>>52427614
this desu
The only real UNIX OSs around now are Solaris, HPUX, and AIX.
Of course, none of this matters whatsoever because the purpose of OpenGroup was to create a standard for all OSs to interoperate without compatibility problems. That standard is Linux/Windows. UNIX has less relevance than puppy linux.
>Linux/Windows
>The standard
You've lost your fucking mind.
>>52427742
>99% desktop market combined
>99% server market combined
>not the stardard
Mactardism, ladies and gentlemen.
>>52427755
Yeah, but two totally different OSes can't together be considered the standard.
>>52427755
>arguing with mactards to begin with
>>52427817
Haha, because they all buy Apple things... wait that doesn't mean they're sheep they just want to use/own/buy Apple things? Wouldn't that mean that all HTC owners by virtue of being HTC owners be sheep also? And any other company?
>>52427799
It can and it does every day in the real world.
Maybe if you ever get a job instead of living in your mom's basement and leaving only to "escape" her tyranny by camping out at starbucks you'll realize that kid.
>>52426352
>>Lately, Apple has shut the system more down by disallowing root access unless you enable it in the recovery partition
This is wrong, and it's a con for different reasons
Apple limits root by designating certain files protected, period. This is a good thing. Root does not own the computer. The very idea of root is fucking stupid. Root is a hack. Not even the creators of UNIX liked root.
And, despite what linux users who put firefox in /sbin (actually /usr/bin) say, you're not actually supposed to touch more than user folders, /etc, /usr/local, and /opt. The rest is the fucking system. Your package manager is not supposed to put anything in with the fucking system that is not a genuine addition to the base system. Third party libraries do not go into /usr/lib. Root is a tyrant, though, so whoever gets root (such as your package manager) can create totally unpredictable, nonsensical, and less than ideal configurations if that's their policy. Like firefox in /sbin.
Other unices did this, and it was an administrator option to put the system on lockdown until they, the administrator, decided it was okay to change some shit.
However, SIP is totally fucked up because anyone with apple's special "update itunes" key can still overwrite anything (the most malicious of those people: apple). It is literally fucking backdoored so apple can update for you without a reboot and a remote change of your security configuration (even fucking worse). It's also used to protect completely irrelevant resources like appearance bundles and default apps that the user should be able to modify at will. You might as well disable it. I'd say "reconfigure", but you know apple, they'll change the configuration to be less and less flexible as they figure out the exact way they want it to be. OS X isn't a UNIX you're supposed to administrate. It's a UNIX apple is supposed to administrate for you.
>>52427847
Mum's dead, and I have a job at a startup in London it's pretty good I make iOS apps, go figure.
>>52420716
basically the only bsd code left in the kernel is some networking stack and less file system.
it;s all been rewrote into the mach kernel. but there is a thin layer of abstracting between kernel and use-rland, enabling posix compliance & bsd compatibility.
it's a hybrid OS between NeXT & fBSD, with a mach kernel.
>>52427942
>i make fart apps for a living
It's a good thing your mom's already dead.
>>52428017
>Thinks he knows what I do in my day job.
>>52425927
>shit animations, inconvenient features that look good but suck ass when you try to use them
not specific, subjective
>hell you've even got a virtual desktop for garbage like a virtual desk calculator and some sticky notes.
That was a long fucking time ago; The dashboard is now disabled by default
>Windows things are developing windows software, using proprietary tools for specific purposes, office use, and in certain cases production
So, OS X sucks because you can't develop certain windows applications or run software that's specifically designed for Windows? Okay, 1: Linux is just as bad with this if not worse, since nothing is officially ported to it, and 2: By that logic, Windows sucks because you can't run Xcode or develop in Swift/Obj-C (same with Linux).
>Linux things are general programming, servers, embedded devices, infrastructure, virtualization, experimenting
I'd agree with programming, but OS X is better for general development than WIndows since it's an actual Unix box. Servers are subjective depending on whether you need Windows Server, Redhat, etc., I don't see how Linux has such a stronghold on embedded devices that it implies OS X is garbage, virtualization is false and/or subjective depending on what software you prefer or need (can't easily or stably virtualize OS X on windows or Linux, but you can easily virtualize all 3 on OS X), and I agree with experimenting since it's much more open and customizable.
>in osx you got some of the same windows tools, similar, but usually not as good
Literally the only example of this I can think of is Office 2011
>stop pretending you don't know exactly why OS X sucks ... well if you've actually used it
Everyone has their own opinions, and that's okay, but you've yet to prove to me that you have any idea what you're talking about. You seem to just be onboard this mac hate train that's so popular right now. I rode that train as well until I tried it out, and I now see how closed-minded I was.
>>52428158
>actual Unix box
Mactard bait post, ignored.
The grand irony of /g/ is that most of the people accusing OS X of being locked down and functionally inferior are Windows users.
Windows is the most useless desktop OS in existence. Its user base is comprised of Indian codemonkeys, grandmas, poor people, and gamer manchildren. Microsoft's greatest contribution to technology has been to create the single largest malware vector ever known (at least before Android came along).
>>52425542
http://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/brand3612.htm
Remove the trip and start over
strip out all hardware restrictions first
>>52428200
Again, you have yet to show me you have any idea what you're talking about. Perhaps I shouldn't have said "Unix". It's a POSIX compliant *nix variant box, which is 200x better for development than Windows NT or power shell (which is, again, subjective)
>>52428158
R E B U T T A L
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I use Windows OSX and GNU/Linux on a daily basis and they all do the same shit so whats the big fucking deal?
>>52420716
Because it's tied to a shit product made by a people that value looks over function.
Why is Gentoo all up in my face every time I look at the catalog, but it's nowhere to be found on the distrowatch?
>>52428461
It's a meme
The UI by default on OS X is utter dogshit, a special snowflake made only to be different from everything else and therefore uncomfortable for anyone that didn't start with OS X or Mac
>>52428507
>The UI by default on Windows is utter dogshit, a special snowflake made only to be different from everything else and therefore uncomfortable for anyone that didn't start with Windows
Herp a derp derp
>>52428507
>IT DUN WERK LIEK MUH WINDERZ
>>52428524
>>52428534
Next you will defend the scrollwheel being reversed
Lincucks isn't an operating system, its a system which needs your full attention and care to operate, its Stephen Hawking, very capable but you need to support it all the time. It is a timesink OS for unemployed neckbeards trying to derive a sense of achievement from anything possible. Nothing else can explain why someone would rather spend 6x as long to accomplish the same mundane task.
Windows is shitting in a blender with no lid on and turning it to max.
Macs provide the one true harmony of machine and software. It caters to the simple users as well as the power users in such a way that you know every tiny element was considered. It is the only machine to use if you have any self respect and know what you're doing.
>>52421485
>file open dialogs are garbage
You're complaining about Windows file open dialogs and think OS X is acceptable GUI?
LOLOLOLOL
OSX file open dialog is about as modern as Finder, which is absolute shit.
>>52428546
Wintards ladies and gents
Windows is truly the OS of the unwashed ignorant masses.
Why does it matter if it's "real" UNIX? UNIX is a trademark awarded to systems that adhere to a terrible standard for mainframe systems that was disavowed by its own creators.
>>52428547
You wish this was true, but anyone who owns three computers running three operating systems can tell you that
Linux is fine as long as you stick to redhat and don't update like mad (avoid anything that isn't .rpm based unless it's slackware/lfs/gentoo and you have a reason to build your own distro), and please, don't go around expecting it to be supported for anything but virtualization/server use/heavy computing, because FLOSS is for and by its users and its users are all too busy with real work to make any nice desktops for themselves
Windows is a glorified application suite launcher and you should stop using it like it isn't
The OS X UI is about as poorly thought out and inconsistent as a typical linux DE and the underlying OS screams "this was never intended to be used for serious computation"
Do you still have friends who use Windows?
>>52428636
There's only one good thing about UNIX and it's the UNIX Philosophy
>>52428643
Ah, averages. Such wonderful tools.
>Linux: Three autists and a weeb
>OS X: Two niggers, a soccer mom, and dennis ritchie
>Windows: Four niggers and stephen hawking
>>52428636
>Windows is a glorified application suite launcher
Spoilers: available applications are a huge part of when choosing an OS
>>52428649
UNIX stopped following the UNIX philosophy before you were fucking born, kid.
>>52428654
>Four niggers and stephen hawking
>>52428661
Spoilers: I never said they weren't you dumb fuck
>>52428547
>gnu/linux systems require a lot of upkeep
nope
>>52428671
And thus UNIX is shit
>>52425542
Trying way too hard
>>52421485
Truth. I have yet to find anything I can do in Debian that I can't do in OS X.
I just wish Geanie had better support on OS X.
I bought my MBA in 2012 for 1050 with a 100$ iTunes card. The cable has busted on me once or twice, but honestly, zero complaints. I had to send it to Apple to get the Logic board which they did for way cheaper than I could have if I bought the parts outright. It was 350$ CAD when it was all said and done. Very easy process.
>>52428795
10/10 very subtle.
Almost sound like a real mactard.
>>52421856
>the grapes are more expensive so they MUST taste better
Fucking macfags.
>>52428744
Who would've thought a green text shitpost with a smug ms paint reaction image on 4chan would discredit The Open Group.
>>52428896
>discredit The Open Group
They do that pretty well on their own by trying to meme "we're the standard" in a 99% linux/windows world.
>>52424781
>What are apple fanboys?
Daily reminder.
https://stallman.org/apple.html
>>52425542
>saged
>acting like it's a negative thing to do
Newfag spotted.
>>52424448
Except it would always be three pixels out of alignment whenever you resume with an external monitor hooked up.
>>52421599
Command down
fucking macfags amirite
Bash it. Get it?
>going for the more reasonably priced option
>bad
>>52428873
>10/10 very subtle.
>Almost sound like a real mactard.
Thats the point
They LOVE getting fucked, hard
Then they BRAG about how hard they got fucked
I CANT MAKE THIS SHIT UP BOIS
>>52420716
BSD userland is a pain in the ass to use compared to the GNU user land. On top of that, OS X is not an easily customizable OS, which I value much more than "it is le BSD".
This would not be as big a deal as it is if OS X didn't have such a fucking retarded UI.
Tiling? No good way to do it.
Focus follows mouse? Rendered useless by the global menu bar.
No fucking `pidof`, have to parse ps output.
The issues go on and on.
>>52428654
>Ah, averages. Such wonderful tools.
No shit Sherlock.
But I'm tired of people bashing averages as if they don't mean shit at all.
You know, if X is a random variable describing the average whatever (in our case, IQ) of n observations, and each Xi ,i=1,....,n is the i observation (all independent and identically distributes) (in our case, a single person's IQ), with expectation m (i.e. a person is expected to have m IQ) .
Then the average of Xi's (i.e. X) tends to the Expectation of Xi (empirically, the expected value of X).
It's called the Weak Law of Large Numbers, it usually needs just a couple dozen observations to be effective, and it's literally statistics 101.
>Apple sucks
>Windows is somehow okay
- /g/
Wow.
>>52428927
Why gif
>>52429149
>adventure time
Please leave
>>52425857
actually laughed out loud
>>52429238
Great argument, friendo.
>>52427849
You should not have access to your own computer? Is that what you're saying?
>>52425542
>it's not unix!
>actual certified unix by the opengroup
This is why people love tripfags and their always insightful and well-informed opinions.
>>52429328
>contains zero unix code
>it's unix because applel dumped a ton of money on a desperate irrelevant standards organization that hasn't been the standard for 2 decades
ok kid
Fact:
As long as you use Windows voluntarily and unironically, you are in no position to criticize any other operating system.
>>52429357
At least you dropped your trip. That's a start.
>>52429357
>irrelevant standards organization
The Open Group members include a range of IT buyers and vendors as well as government agencies, for example Capgemini, Fujitsu, Oracle, Hitachi, HP, Orbus Software, IBM, Kingdee, NEC, SAP, US Department of Defense, NASA and others.
>>52429377
>the last line of defense for mactoddlers to defend their utter shit OS is to fall back on tired windoze sux memes from the 90's
>>52429446
He's right, though. If you're using Windows, you're a faggot who shouldn't be here.
>>52429429
>literally copying and pasting text from your irrelevant ancient webpage that hasn't been updated since 1985 since that's when unix died and linux/windows became the standard
>>52429294
No, you should, but you should not have a mechanism that gives anyone who gets into it master access. Do you have a master key to your house that not only opens the door, but also opens the garage, starts your car, unlocks the safes, and decrypts your hard drives?
>>52429429
>government agencies
>>52429483
>i got btfo
>better start memeing
>>52429463
>mactoddlers posting from their fisher price OS
>scream in terror the first time they try linux and can't figure something out because applel isn't holding their hand
>unironically thinking you belong here or will ever belong here
>bash it
ha get it
cuz muh bash
>>52429520
>you can't use both
My apartment currently has 3 Linux machines and 1 Mac running.
>>52429520
I don't own a Mac, though.
ITT an unstoppable force hits an unmovable object. No matter how much arguing is done nobodies opinion is going to change.
>>52428937
What?
>>52429489
All of those keys are on the same keychain though.
fact: no hardcore gaming on mac
trash
>>52428158
BLOWN THE FUCK OUT
>>52429609
How so not? Can't they run Windows?
