Why are people so negative towards AMD graphics cards these days? Did the no drivers meme really hurt their image forever?
If no drivers killed AMDs image, why didn't housefires and woodscrews kill Nvidias image?
Because NVidia bribed software developers. Games like Witcher 3 and Fallout 4 purposely run like shit on AMD hardware due to stupid settings. Users can compensate for this by changing max tesselation level in global settings, but benchmarks are done without this. Basically, NVidia is doing to AMD in the GPU market what Intel did to AMD in the CPU market back when AMD actually had better hardware than Intel.
>>52419014
>>52418974
more babbies and more nvidia users
>>52418974
Idk i got a r9 390 and big 4k display and its perfect. Im also not that anal about turning settings down considering i came from a 8800 GTS
>>52418974
ATi had the no drivers meme as well, and yet people loved them a lot more than Nvidia.
It's just that ever since AMD took reigns of the company, they've only had two series of cards that could truly make the ATi brand proud - HD 4000 and HD 5000. The rest were either bad (HD2000, HD3000, HD6000) or "ok" (HD7000, 2xx 3xx).
>>52419014
Nvidia shilling
>>52418974
High price
No drivers
Doesn't support gameworks
High power consumption
Cancerous user base
Pretty much awful for gaming
Also awful for productivity because no cuda
It's basically the Coby of GPUs
>>52418974
>amd optimized game
>runs beautifully on all systems, even on toasters
>nvidia goyimworks
>runs like shit on anything but high end hw
>expect your new gpu get deprecated in the next year
>>52418974
I'm with AMD forever.
Nvidia is shittier and shills stupid people.
>>52418974
Because it's not meme. AMD's drivers are pur garbage.
>>52418974
Gameworks and Nvidia abusing their market share killed AMD.
Also false advertising concerning HBM and Fury X, where they outright lied about the performance, and priced it as high as the more superior in every regard 980ti. Yeah, the benefit is water cooling, but it still overclocks like shit.
I'm waiting for Polaris. If that shit flops for whatever reason, then the company is done for. Sad, but true.
>>52419022
Pretty much this. I'm glad AMD still hasn't gone under despite all this faggotry from intel and nvidia.
>>52419103
AMD Gaming Evolved gimping is what gave birth to Gameworks.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/03/07/nvidia-apologizes-for-poor-geforce-performance-in-tomb-raider
>>52419052
>hd6000
>bad
The 6950 was the best price/perf for a very long time. Especially when you could flash a 6970 bios on it to unlock more shaders for free.
>>52419022
Fucking this. Can't even use addons to reduce graphics to playable levels on AMD laptops in fallout4 like you can in skyrim. 1.5GB of my RAM is dedicated to my A8/R5 apu and it runs pretty much any modern game I throw at it on Medium to high settings @720p with a steady 40-60 FPS depending on the game, yet with all of the settings at low 800x600 with a graphics disabler add-on I still get like 15FPS max in fallout 4.
Meanwhile, my other laptop with an i3 and nvidia integrated gets 60FPS on low 800x600, same specs otherwise.
>>52419149
My 6670 is just now beginning to fail and I've had it since day 1. Great damn card.
>have 4 year old nvidia GPU
>install new 2015 drivers
>play 4 year old game
>crappy FPS
>uninstall 2015 drivers, install 2012 drivers
>gain 15 FPS
so it was true
>>52419131
>It's OK when nvidia does it.
AMD releases patches for their games themselves, while nvidia has to whine and tell their users to "not buy the game". Bullshit.
AMD's code is open-source. Nvidia's GW is closed source.
They got hit with their own shit and didn't know how to deal with it.
>>52419149
>HD6000
It died so young.
>>52418974
casue faggots are buying titans for their wife's sons
AMD 390 feelsgooddamn
>>52419157
wat apu?
>>52419052
I can't see how the 6000 series was bad. They basically dropped the 5870 and 5850 down $100-$200 and then added two significantly more powerful cards on top of them. And even the "weak" 6850/6870 were good for their compute performance where as nvidia's highest offerings were absolute shit for anything other than gayman.
>>52419171
Dumb parrot repeating lies that I made up lol
>>52419170
That is more likely the game's problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmCpAEVXTzM
The meme is a lie. The fact that nvidia gimps performance on AMD cards is more true though.
>>52419178
>for their wife's sons
So like, their sons?
>>52419223
no, you fucking cucklord
>>52419207
Nvidia just use a lot of tessellation on their gamework features and amd cards have 2012 tier tessellation performance. Not the fault of Nvidia really. It's architecture differences.
Because Nvidia has the best new features goy-er-guy
And didn't you enjoy our enhancements to that latest Batman game?
Oh wait, we completely broke it and forced steam to institute a refund program? lol whoops our bad.
We'll just keep making shitty closed source hair FX systems to artificially bog down performance along with gimping cards via drivers to fool you into parting with more of your money
Performance not up to snuff?
You just need a third card in that SLI setup, heck, make it four just to be safe! Future proof anon!
Nvidia has a bigger marketing budget
>>52419248
Great advice as always, Roy.
>>52419237
fact is that games use tesellation where it has no effects, other than to gimp amd's performance.
not saying it's intentional, just suspicious.
it's fucking intentional cunts.
AMD is fucking garbage. Everything they make is absolutely, objectively crappy as shit and only a fat neckbeard would buy this shit-tier crappy shit because he's afraid of running out of autismbux (because God forbid he spend less money on Taco Bell and Mountain Dew.) I tried building an AMD gaming rig once and it was the worst experience of my life. First off, that CPU clip is fucking impossible to use. It looks just like an old Pentium CPU clip, but it's autistically retarded and I couldn't deal with it. And the graphics card was so fucking huge, I had to cut a hole all the way around my case to fit it in. Fucking AMD.
But wait, that's not even the best part! When I tried to start up my shitty autismbox (which I sold to the Association of Retarded Citizens BTW) the absolutely massive power draw dimmed every light in my house and throughout the entire neighborhood like I was firing up fucking ENIAC in the 1920s or some bullshit. I had plenty of time to worry about my power bill too, because this shitty thing couldn't figure out which of its 32 CPU cores to use and it took half a day to boot. As soon as I tried to play a game (fucking Starcraft from 1998), it lagged so hard it went backwards. I thought I should try downloading a driver, but there aren't any. There are no fucking drivers. What the shit, AMD? No wonder Apple doesn't use your shit. It wasn't long after that that I realized this thing was putting out more heat than a goddamn jet engine and it burned my house down.
Two weeks later, when I sold that piece of shit, I built an Intel/Nvidia rig! Holy shit, it's like jacking into the Matrix! I built it 5 years ago and it still runs every game in 4K at 240 FPS while using no power and it actually cools my house during the summer. What a beautiful machine, I seriously hope none of you are poor and stupid enough to buy AMD.
>>52419237
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYL07c74Jr4
>>52418974
Nvidia's Apple-like brand image leading to blind preference towards GeForces mostly.
Circlejerking with naive kiddos wanting to be on the "perceived cooler" side (which is Nvidia becasus its brand has more mindshare) to be cool themselves.
And the emotional investment that fuels stupid fan-wars antagonism. There's the people being dumb problem on the background, as always.
What is the best driver to update to that is pre-crimson?
I don't want any of the crashing or fan lock bullshit, but I've been chilling with the out-of-the box drivers
Guys, who own Fury X, Fury, Nano, can you bench your card in oclHashcat from hashcat.net
For example, in windows you can bench MD5 hash by command:
oclHashcat.exe -m 0 -b
Thanks.
>>52418974
It comes from the /v/ and reddit gayming kiddies. Ignore it
First off, I've been a hardcore AMD supporter for quite some time.
Complete video card history:
TNT2
Geforce 2 GTS
Geforce 4 ti 4200
9800 Pro
7800GS
x1950 Pro
3850
5850
6950
380 (short lived)
As you can see, I've been straight AMD/ATI since 2006.
Unfortunately, at least for now those days are over.
The hardware has always been top-notch, but sadly the drivers have been wanting for some time now.
I'd say the issues really became prevalent around the 5850's launch.
Shortly thereafter, it became a constant game of "finding the best driver for ______ game". Once I found the one that worked best for me, I stuck with it.
The 10.4a driver for Battlefield: BC2 on the 5850 and the 12.8/13.12/14.12 drivers for the 6950 immediately come to mind etc.
I decided to give AMD one more chance and picked up a 380 4GB about two weeks ago.
There were no HUGE issues really, just a lot of little hassles.
So yesterday after much contemplation, I packed up the card, took it back to Microcenter, and exchanged it for a 960 4GB.
Make no mistake, I am fully aware of the 960's 128-bit bus and the fact that it is approximately 15% slower than the 380.
But, between Nvidia's much more frequent driver updates, market dominance, Fallout 4's apparent system requirements, and the overwhelming ease
of use/lack of issues, I decided to switch over to the green team.
I have to say, I am very pleased with my decision thus far.
Please, don't flame me. I just felt the need to express my opinions/impressions etc.
Make no mistake, if AMD gets it act together, I'll gladly switch back.
But for now, it looks like my love affair with AMD hardware has finally come to an end.
>>52419207
>>52419170
Wrong video though, sorry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZUshOSWQRo
>>52419350
Current Crimson.
The fan lock thing was patched in two days.
>>52419022
The funny thing about this is that those games run better on my 290 than my friends 780, but both of those are inferior than 970 by far.
And my friend specifically got the 780 for gameworks. He traded it to a friend for a 290 he had. Technically he could still sell the 780 for more than the used price of a 290 despite all of this.
>>52419378
What little hassles did you have? I've had no problems with that card, and went the other way around from a 960 to a 380.
And why even buy the 4GB 960, if its just snake oil? Should have saved money and got the 2GB 960
>>52419378
Same here
>>52419409
Did you notice a difference at all moving to Crimson?
>>52419400
AMD SHILLS BTFO
>>52418974
>Did the no drivers meme really hurt their image forever?
Their Crossfire support is the shittiest it's been in years. You have to wait months for some profiles and even then they may not appear at all.
>>52419442
Yeah my gpu is a lot quieter
>>52419442
Not the guy you asked, but crimson fixed BSOD issues on my crossfire 290's while playing at 4k.
It did however make Battlefront unplayable, but no one plays that so it's not really a big issue.
>>52419468
FPS or graphical changes?
>>52419442
It introduced super easy monitor overclocking. Got my 60hz IPS panel to 75hz in 15 seconds with the built in tool. Free performance feels great, and I had no idea this was supported by Crimson or my random LG monitor.
Other than that, not much. I wouldn't usually notice a 2-3% improvement anyway.
>>52419462
AMD shills try to pass off crossfire as being better but all the games tested are from the pre-gameworks era. Crossfire was absolute dog shit when I had it last year.
>>52419484
So I shouldn't be worried about my r9 3xx being updated?
>>52419400
>literally every graph shows the newer drivers improving the performance by at least 10% and often more
I don't get it.
Also that just shows nvidia's drivers which are often released with the card where as AMD can't seem to sync their driver releases with their cards and it usually takes a month or two for decent drivers to be released
>>52419510
I wouldn't, especially for a Hawaii based card(assuming that's a 390(x)) since they'll throttle before overheating anyhow at 94C.
>>52419507
Crossfire DOES work very well when it is properly supported. That much is true. But AMD support is crap. They release profiles weeks or months late, if at all and even then the first version may be buggy or glitchy. The bugs and glitches sometimes never get resolved at all.
Witcher 3 for instance STILL has some UI flickering issues and enabling CF breaks the awesome water simulation.
I can't fucking wait for new high-end cards to come out so I can dump my 290Xs and get a decent upgrade in the process.
>>52419378
You spend more effort than the usual Nvidia shills on this board, you should get a bonus from your Jewish overloards.
>>52419549
It's a 380
>mfw I just ordered a r9 380x and then saw this thread
>>52418974
You're wrong, it's Nvidia shills. The cards are solid. It's the cpus people nag about.
>>52419505
How did you manage that? My Iiyama monitor is 75 Hz according to its specifications but I can only select 60 Hz in Windows and haven't found a setting in Crimson for this.
I tried creating a custom resolution in Crimson with 75 Hz refresh rate, but that doesn't work either.
>finally get the money to upgrade my shitty ZOTAC 820
>new architecture coming out this year
>dunno if i should just buy a 960 and be done with it or wait and see
>>52419643
mfw I know the answer but you own amd
>>52419653
>960
Literally 860.
>>52419653
Use the money to buy AMD shares. Once AMD releases Polaris and stomps all over Nvidia you'll make mad dosh when you sell the shares again.
>>52419641
>every buying a 380x
it's not worth it
>>52419653
Just get a 960. It will run everything out right now on maximum settings. Get one of the new cards at the end of the year if you still want one.
>>52419052
>7000
>only ok
Nigger have you never heard about thw 7970?
>>52419699
b-but the benchmarks say it's good
>>52419737
I bought a 7850 on release day and it pretty much rocks every game. Never been with the same graphics card for so long under gaymen circumstances.
>>52419761
compared to the 380 the perfomance gain per $ is minimal
>>52419638
Ahhh, well they fixed it anyways. I installed the driver and had an issue of temps rising to 94C after fucking around with some OC's that I was able to fix with a custom fan profile. I think it only seriously effected people who OC, but who also don't check temps while playing with OC/fan profiles.
>>52419274
ITT: mad poorfags.
>>52419789
Do I need to uninstall the current drivers and then reinstall the crimson ones?
>>52419896
Best practices are to do so every time just to eliminate any chance of conflicts.
>>52419110
You used to be right. Ever since Crimson was released, you are dead wrong.
>>52419957
More dead than the gpus killed by crimson?
Because they are total bitches. Nvidia® keep their inventions closed source so they can have the upper hand but what does AMD do? They make it open source and let themselves get walked all over. They are total doormats and Nvidia is winning because they let them.
>>52419978
No cards were killed by crimson.
>>52420030
What are some truly open source amd features?
>>52419950
One more stupid question man, do I need to restart in-between uninstalling and reinstalling?
>>52419978
Which gpus were that considering crimson mainly deals with reducing power use?
>>52419950
how does the card work if you remove its drivers?
>>52420064
The crimson drivers completely eliminated power use by killing the gpu.
>>52420094
Windows drivers work just fine for displaying your stuff at low resolution until you downloaded a new driver
>>52420105
well meme'd friend
>>52420094
Windows has some basic drivers compatible with pretty much every single GPU ever made. They don't support much and you certainly won't be able to game or watch videos but your machine will work. Barely.
>>52420105
Crimson drivers didn't kill shit. MSI afterburner causes a conflict. In this case I'd be more inclined to blame the third party software but then the EULA does explicitly state that it voids your warranty and assumes no liability.
>>52420094
I've read a shit ton of people crashing with crimson because they didn't uninstall their previous drivers beforehand
>>52420147
No
http://news.softpedia.com/news/warning-new-amd-crimson-driver-is-heating-and-killing-gpus-users-report-496867.shtml
>tfw waiting patiently for Zen/Polaris saviors
>>52420178
>users report
You mean users make shit up.
The card will shut itself down before it overheats to the point of dying. They're designed to do that.
>>52420178
Oh, you mean the good old windows 10 bullshit where it redownloads the drivers that it wants as opposed to the ones you want? Yea, the fix for that appeared within 2 days, but MS's bullshit made the problem continue for a lot longer.
While we're on the topic: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/28/windows_10_update_nvidia_driver_conflict/
All these people who had their GPUs burn up, didn't autistically check their temps like most of us here do
>>52419378
stale pasta
Okay what the fuck is the Gaming Evolved app? Can I just never let it run and be fine?
>>52419014
The real problem with Nvidia is the windows10 drivers. I've checked the reddit's nvidia forum page and its mostly about windows 10 drivers issue. There's even a sticky thread addressing the windows 10 drivers issue.
However people still continue to say "amd drivers". I've been using AMD since forever and the only time I've had issues was due to overclocking instability(which is fixed via voltage/clock speed control).
Nvidia drivers are horrendous right now.
>>52420273
Nobody had their GPU burn up, it was just dumb redditors trying to get free stuff by making shit up. All modern GPUs have thermal shutoff well before they could do any damage to themselves.
>>52419103
This.
Every AMD optimized game I played runs beautifully (BF4, Tomb Raider, Deus Ex HR, DMC fuck you edition, etc)
I can't remember the last time an Nvidia Gameworks game run great for everyone including Nvidia users who don't have the latest $500 GPU. Ass Creed Unity was a trainwreck, Lords of the Fallen literally ran like shit for everyone even on GTX 970s, Fallout 4 runs and looks like garbage unless you mod it, and ARK still has issues out the ass related to Gameworks.
>>52420535
>All modern GPUs have thermal shutoff well before they could do any damage to themselves.
Not him but this is what I thought as well. Every chip since Fermi has had this so why the heck would these cards suddenly up and die like that?
>>52419103
This.
Every AMD optimized game I played runs beautifully (BF4, Tomb Raider, Deus Ex HR, DMC fuck you edition, etc)
I can't remember the last time an Nvidia Gameworks game run great for everyone including Nvidia users who don't have the latest $500 GPU. The exception is probably MGSV but that game was optimized for next gen consoles first (which uses AMD).
>>52419149
Considering they got jewed out of a new process node they managed to still decent with the HD6* series, i had a 6870 for the longest time.
>>52420374
I never use it
>>52418974
For the last 5 years at least, TWIMTBP and HairWorks/GameWorks have targeted a rather particular design difference in Nvidia:
higher tessellation bandwidth and more granular ROP/TMU blocks.
AMD ROPs are 4x4 pixels, Nvidia uses 4x2 and has higher tessellator throughput.
By flooding scenes with tiny 1 or 2 pixel tessellated triangles, GameWorks titles can force AMD cards to lose 88-94% of their pixel throughput while wasting only 75-88% of their own capacity.
That's not to say that Nvidia hasn't also pursued legitimate optimizations in high-profile games, but the core of the program has always been about trying to shoot their opponent in the head even if they have to shoot themselves in the leg in the process.
Beats me, my pair of 7950s have been great. Thanks to some great drivers I have been able to have 980 performance before a 980 even existed, this gave me the boost I needed to run 3D with Tridef and then they gave me the option of cheap mixed res eyefinity. The only bad things I have to say in what, 4 maybe 5 years would be the legacy for my old 6870 was a bit of a bumber and Crimson v1 fan issues.
>>52419223
hello newfriend
>>52419063
by chance, are you fucking retarded?
>>52419052
I'm still using my 7950 to max out games today.
>>52419052
>6xxx series
>bad
>7xxx series
>ok
Fuck you, anon. The only series that should get any flak is the early iterations of the 200 series due to the god awful coolers they used.
>>52420659
Here's a good article in regards to what you just said:
http://techreport.com/review/21404/crysis-2-tessellation-too-much-of-a-good-thing
Anyone use AMD Virtual Super Resolution??
>>52418974
Mix of things really:
>History of bad drivers going all the way back to the 90's
>Currently not as competitive as Nvidia hardware and has had long periods of this in the past
>Hasn't been as successful as Nividia to get game developers to use their extensions that run well on their hardware, but like shit on competitors' hardware
In essence it's a combination of doing a bad job technically and going up against a company doing a very good job both technically and being anti-competitive assholes.
>>52421111
Yeah, it looks great as it's more or less cheap AA if you have the grunt to run 1440p, just makes me wish I had taken the chance on a Korean panel instead of my 1080 one though.
>>52420659
>>52421096
JewWorks is not a meme...
>>52421111
I use it for Dragon's Dogma, it works just fine.
I will always buy Nvidia™ because I only play games The Way It's Meant to be Played™. Nvidia also pioneers innovative new technologies like PhysX™, Gameworks™ and the highest quality driver to ever grace Windows.
When I boot up with a brand new Nvidia™ Geforce™, I can experience the game just like it's mean to be played. Nvidia™ also delivers a far more silkysmooth experience.
Nvidia Geforce™ is also very power efficient. A graphic card is the most power hungry device in your house. Refrigerators, air conditioners, water heaters, dish washers, lights, etc all use significantly less power than a graphic card. Which is why Nvidia™ puts gamers first by ensuring that their gaming experience is of the highest quality while looking out for gamers by giving them the most value in their electrical bill.
At this point in time, there's really no reasons to consider an AMD graphic card at all. I tried one one time, it caused so much heat that it exploded. It also consumed so much power that it gave on an EMP and destroyed the rest of my computer.
Nvidia™ also pioneered how useless GPGPU is with CUDA™. Years ago, everyone thought GPGPU, CUDA™, and OpenCL were the future. Now, Nvidia™ has removed those useless features from their GPUs and increased efficiency. Now you can save thousands a year in electricity thanks to Nvidia™ ensuring that useless features like GPGPU are "optimized" for gamers.
It's quite clear that OP's an AMD shill trying to convince you to settle on something less than The Way It's Mean to be Played™. Nvidia™ is the only real way to play games. We have seen recently that they offer incredible libraries for software developers like Nvidia Gameworks. He is probably too poor to afford the Nvidia Geforce Experience and can not afford to play any games The Way It's Mean To be Played™.
Don't be a poor gamer with bad drivers and a huge power bill. Play games with the Geforce™ Experience™: The Way It's Mean To Be Played™
>>52421111
>>52419111
>priced it as high as the more superior in every regard 980ti
>Every regard
The Fury-X handily beats the 980-ti at 4K.
At 1440p it's a tie. The Fury-X was a little worse at launch because the 980-ti was an older card so the drivers were more mature there's not much in it now.
Originally you could say the Fury-X couldn't overclock. But now the Fury-X has voltage unlock, it'll overclock better than some (though not most) 980-tis, so I don't think luck-of-the-draw silicon lottery things are useful comparisons.
The 'waiting evolved' meme is real, at least for the Fury-X.
The Fury, on the other hand, is only a tiny bit worse than a Fury-X (the same when OC'd) and has a pretty nifty price to performance because of it. As such AMD are redirected Fury-X chips to Fury cards to meet demand.
Fiji wasn't a flop technically, just a bit of a flop due to shoddy marketing that results in people like you thinking Nvidia's card is better. The only thing about Fiji that truly sucks is the ROP count.
>>52421253
> forgetting G-sync™
shiggy-diggy
>>52421253
You forgot your image bro
>>52421284
its stale pasta, "update" it if you want
Nvidia has been actively brigading this board for years now.
The facts are that nvidia supports closed source standards and is an evil anti-consumer, corrupt company.
Meanwhile, AMD is for open source standards and is for the consumer in every facet.
There is no real choice between them.
>>52421111
Yep. Getting huge screen realestate is pretty nice.
>>52418974
The fact that everyone is finally starting to question this means there should be a comeback soon.
With AMD staying competitive with far less money than its competitors, I can't imagine the type of innovation they'd be capable of with the capital to back themselves 100%.
>>52421276
>The only thing about Fiji that truly sucks is the ROP count.
it's not just ROP count, it's also ROP design.
GameWorks tessellation has been a big enough drain on AMD for long enough that they can only blame themselves, even if in principle their design is more "ideal":
>>52420659
>>52421313
>Nvidia: We want the welfare tinfoil autistic audience
face it /g/ loves nvidia.
>>52419274
Fucking 10/10 bait. You had me going until the second paragraph.
>>52419237
>Putting in shit that makes no difference, saturating meshes with polygons that aren't even renderable.
Feels great those fuckers are getting a taste of their own medicine with Async compute.
And I say this as someone who's been using Nvidias since I first got a PC in 2001.
http://www.dsogaming.com/news/oxide-developer-nvidia-was-putting-pressure-on-us-to-disable-certain-settings-in-the-benchmark/
>>52421347
Sure you have, Roy.
>>52421372
It's worse, anon.
Played stuff on GT5200 by 2010.
Then "jumped" to GT220.
Finally settled on GTS440.
You don't know suffering.
>>52421198
>>52421217
>>52421314
I just turned it on with my 720p TV and it didn't do shit. Do you have to have 1080 -> 1440 for it to be noticeable?
I'm just trying to get a large desktop real estate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcF36_qMd8M
>>52421347
>Curiously, their driver reported this feature was functional but attempting to use it was an unmitigated disaster in terms of performance and conformance so we shut it down on their hardware. As far as I know, Maxwell doesn’t really have Async Compute so I don’t know why their driver was trying to expose that.
Wow.
>>52421464
You turn on the VSR setting in your Crimson control panel and then adjust the resolution in Windows display resolution settings.
>>52418974
/v/ and neo /g/
>>52418974
Rebrand of rebrands
>>52419063
>dosen't support game works
Are you literally retarded.
>>52421658
LITERALLY untrue for anything 285(380), 380x, 390(x), Fury/X/Nano.
Unsure about the 370 but I'm pretty sure 360 and downward are only 1st gen rebrands as 260 downward were new architectures, weren't they?
TL;DR: I think ONLY the 370(x) is a rebrand of a rebrand.
>>52419063
>Doesn't support gameworks
B-but why doesn't my Honda h-have a BMW engine?
>>52419170
this better not happen in 2016/17
>>52421727
390(X) are rebrand, anon.
I love my 290X, but the 390X is definitely the same shit clocked higher with maybe a better chip, at best.
>>52421812
Read post again moron, he said rebrands of rebrand.
>>52421812
But the next line won't be.
If you didn't want a rebrand you didn't have to but it, familia.
I ordered a 380x today. Did I fuck up?
>>52422325
You should have bought an used 290x on craigslist
>>52422325
Ordering ANY 28nm GPU between now and this summer is a fuck-up.
>>52422389
I'm from Europe. And besides, I would rather avoid a housefire.
>>52422399
Shit. I can still cancel but since my gpu died I have no gpu. What should I get?
>>52422417
Get the cheapest used shit you can find and wait for HBM2 cards
>>52422436
But there is no guarantee that they will release affordable cards like 960/380 at launch. And I don't have money for top tier cards.
>>52418974
Unstable drivers for the R9 series currently.
Crimson drivers maxing fan speeds 24/7 and wearing out card coolers in matters of months.
Mandatory bloatware bundled with drivers, that require a 24/7 internet connection to function and will crash otherwise, and which contains buggy js that poses security issues and includes adware.
The fact they use 120-150% of the power of comparable nvidia cards for 85-90% of the performance, all for a $10-20 price savings.
The fact that their current flagship card is the first not-100%-rebrand theyve put out in 6 years.
>>52422436
>Get the cheapest used shit you can find
this, craigslists, ebay, whatever
>>52422459
it's not just the HBM2 cards, which may only be the higher end.
Polaris is definitely 14nm from top to bottom, Pascal is expected to be as well (though it appears to be slipping).
All the new cards will have twice the power efficiency, DP 1.3/HDMI 2.0, h.265 acceleration, amongst other improvements.
>>52422417
>Shit. I can still cancel but since my gpu died I have no gpu. What should I get?
My personal recommendation would be the cheapest second hand card that can do the job good enough. If I hadn't recently bought a second hand GTX 970 last September GPGPU work but was still interested in buying a new card, I'd stick to my GTX 670 (which I should sell off at this point but can't be arsed to do it).
>tee eff you you
>>52421492
When you use VSR, is the new higher resolution going to be used for everything? I thought you just set VSR up and then when you go into a game you can choose higher resolution than normal, without having to change the entire OS and everything?
>>52422544
Oh whatever. I will just upgrade my whole pc when zen and polaris come, all in once.
>>52419409
No it wasnt.
Still have the issue on my 390x and im on the latest beta drivers.
>>52421727
>290/390 290x/390x
>not overcloked rebrands
>>52422684
>REBRANDS OF REBRANDS
YOU FUCKING MORON. LEARN. TO. FUCKING. READ.
>>52422399
>you shouldn't buy thing because there's new thing coming up in half a year
This is a stupid mentality.
>>52419442
It broke FO4, Insurgency, and TES4 for me. Fixed some insane ragdolling in Ark survival. Stuck my gpu fans at 100%, which can be overridden with Sapphire TriXX. Took my stable 1200/1665 overclock and made it unstable, cant get over 1135/1300 with Crimson. Gained about 5fps in Arma3 and almost 20fps in Arma2 DayZ.
Overall not worth it.
>>52419103
>run mantle in BF4
>fps goes from ~135 to ~137
>game crashes every 30 min or so
>change back to directx
>no crashes in 4 months
>>52421464
1080->1440p got me about 1/3 screen extra real estate. I'm pretty happy with it. Makes browsing 4chan a blast.
>>52418974
>Not writing your own drivers
>>52422649
That's how you set up VSR for your desktop.
If you're in-game, you can just select the higher resolution in the graphics options. That's what I do in Dota 2 and Dragon's Dogma.
>>52422783
is 1440p in 1080p very noticeable in the aliasing department?
I wonder if the performance cost of rendering the game at 1440p is less than rendering at 1080p but with AA. Guess it depends on each game
>>52421740
literally what do you mean by this
>>52422714
if you have money to burn, I guess buying whatever you want whenever you want is fine, but due to 28nm lasting fucking forever and 20nm being skipped, this is literally going to be the biggest generation jump in GPU history.
>>52421740
That's not how it works; you're better off asking why you can't put a 2JZ into a moped with how little sense you're making
>>52422864
Its pretty noticeable and requires at least 2x AA in some games, and is a nonissue in others.
For example, running 1440p VSR in Insurgency absolutely requires 4x, but 1440p VSR in DayZ does not. Fortunately, my 390x is pushing 160fps in Insurgency and I can definitely afford it. In fact, I run 8x just to reduce the number of framedrops on my cheapshit 60hz monitor since at 1440p VSR with 8x MSAA Im down to ~90fps.
>>52422888
And I'd rather wait a bit longer for the first 14nm cards to drop the price and new, better cards to appear while enjoying a pretty good card in the meantime
>>52419014
>If no drivers killed AMDs image, why didn't housefires and woodscrews kill Nvidias image?
Because Nvidia can afford dedicated forum shillers, and they have had them in their employ for over a decade.
That and woodscrews only really happened for one generation, while AMD drivers get their bad reputation because they have one or two completely silly bugs stuck in there for ages - like digital panel image scaling being broken for years (you could only set the option on a non-native resolution, which completely defeated the point).
Also AMD GPGPU support is kind of a joke to this day.
>>52419149
And people back then preferred the gtx560ti to the hd6950, showing how nvidia shilling is effective
>>52419378
$0.05 has been deposited into your nvidia associates account.
>>52422684
It's not like Nvidia never did that, but then again you are probably too young to remember the Geforce 4 MX, the 9800 series (complete rebrands of the 8800 series), the GF260 (rebrand of the 9800 which was a rebrand of the 8800), etc.
>>52423025
Don't worry, Nvidia is finding ways as we speak to sabotage AMD users in DX12.
> not even kidding, next gen GameWorks middleware will be an even worse black box on DX12/vulkan
I'm scared guys. What do i do?
I was going to buy a r9 380 but i don't want any drivers problem...
What should i buy?
>>52423121
r9 380
>>52423121
Buy it bro. I bought one a while back and seems to run everything fine. The screen did go blank a few times but reinstalling drivers fixed it.
>>52423153
>>52423121
Buy it bro. I bought one a while back and seems to run everything fine. It did burn down my house a few times but reinstalling drivers fixed it.
>>52423121
Looks at all the games you plan on playing.
Are they gamework titles? Yes? Buy nvidia.
>>52423121
it's still a better card than the 960 for the same price so go ahead and buy it.
>>52419014
Shills
>>52423104
Who are you quoting?
I've never had an issue with AMD drivers
apart from the mouse thing where the cursor graphic becomes glitched for a while, but I haven't had that in years (I kinda miss it)
>>52423104
>>52423025
>post a old drivers one
>http://www.anandtech.com/show/9659/fable-legends-directx-12-benchmark-analysis
''Now we can stop with the "AMD will be vastly superior to Nvidia in DX12" nonsense.''
>>52419063
You realize that pushing out fewer driver updates isn't necessarily better, right?
>>52423274
the AotS benchmark graph, which implies that AMD DX11 sucks but AMD DX12 does/will not.
280x here
When I bought it I had wish I could keep stable 60fps on things. For instance, something like Shadow of Mordor. Turns out I can't.
Hell not even Tomb Raider 2013. Have to turn them shadows a little, aside from the obvious no MSAA and no tressFX.
>>52419737
I have one, it's more powerful than a 960, 770 and very similar to the 970 and 380/380x
I had a very fucking great deal, new one for 190€!
I used an AMD GPU for 3 years without a single driver issue
Then again it was a laptop GPU with drivers specifically tailored by HP so I don't think it's a good example
Anyway I ordered a 380X, we'll see how that goes. I'll probably get Nvidia next time I buy a card, just to be able to say I've used both so I'm not biased.
i5 600k and gtx 980
or
i7 6700k r9 390?
>>52423522
i7 and 390
>>52423522
i5 6600k*
>>52423522
If you're gonna get a 980, get the Ti.
And unless you plan to do something that actually needs the extra power of an i7 (gaming doesn't), get the i5.
>>52422705
>7970>R9-280x>R9-380x
>INB4 Tonga
>>52423687
>R9-280x>R9-380x
No.
>>52420522
This. One reason why I sold my gtx 670 and bought an r7 260x instead.
My 670 was just too unstable on windows 10, constantly crashing or returning errors, especially if I ever tried using shadowplay.
Raptr might not look pretty, but it works a lot better than shadowplay was for me.
>>52418974
>cringe marketing all the year
>rebrands of mostly all the 3xx with more memory
>higher power draw
>absolutely no reason to upgrade if you have a 2xx
>no good mobile gpu because of the poor power efficiency
>meanwhile even a desktop gtx 980 can go in a high end laptop
>meanwhile people still buy the 970 like hot cake even after the 3.5 scandal/lie
>release the fury x after the 980ti
>slower then expected even with hbm and 4096 cores
>not good in overclocking even with the aio cooling
>the drivers was not ready for matches with the stock 980 ti
>absolutely no reason to upgrade if you have a 980 ti or a 290x2
>release the 380 and 380x
>very good gpus but too late
>/g/ is surprised
>>52423709
IN
BEFORE
TONGA
THEY MIGHT AS WELL
BE THE FUCKING SAME
>>52419274
I use an AMD card in the summer and an nvidia card in the winter. It really helps save on the light bill not having the heater running all the fucking time.
>>52423975
I thought the meme was the other way around
>>52419201
lmao get out from this place kid
>>52424134
>>52419063
The bait
>>52424134
nobody really knows anymore. the meme memes in all directions now.
>>52424193
Isn't AMD the one causing housefires these days? That's the main message I get from every AMD vs Nvidia thread nowadays
>>52418974
I used some 2bg radeon card for the past like 5 years, and I liked it... now i went with a 980ti because it looked good in benchmarks.
>>52424383
Lets put it this way.
Why would anyone who owns an AMD card proclaim that their card caused the 2015 California wildfires?
They wouldn't. Why would anyone who owns an Nvidia card say theirs does the same?
They fucking wouldn't.
It's shit made up by either side to discredit the other.
ATI cards have drivers
Nvidia cards don't start housefires
They're both a little different each round in different ways. Buy whatever.
>>52424421
I use Intel.
>>52419641
It's a fucking brilliant card chief, ignore them. I've an A10 and an R9 380, easy 60fps on Battlefront . Runs ARK surprisingly well too.
>>52418974
They decided it's better to constantly waste 20-30 watts in IDLE rather than sometimes having a short flicker when switching clock rates
Also they are using a cheap Single-Link-DVI port instead of 2 Dual-Link to save a few cents (and cost me $100+ extra for adapters)
As long as they do shit like this I will always buy Nvidia
>>52422759
>have 260x
>dx11
>35~45 fps on high
>switch to mantle
>60 fps on ultra
huh
>>52419046
Good on ya m8
I purchased a 390X just a few days ago to support AMD in their time of need. I hope they don't go under... NVIDIA without a legitimate competitor would be absolutely hellish.
>>52422759
You have to run an AMD processor otherwise it runs like shit.
>>52418974
Because nvidia paid shills and cuckworks.
>>52422759
Wat.
On my hd 7950 mantle pushed my framerate from high 50s to low 60s.
I use frtc to lock it at 60 and it rarely drops below that in bf4 ultra.
My friends gtx 960 on ultra gets low 50s and he's stuck on dx11.
>>52418974
I gave AMD a shot and bought a 390 5 months ago. Elite Dangerous, which is a game that I played with friends quite often, is unplayable on AMD 3xx cards up until a week or so ago. AMD had an issue in their drivers Since August 2015 that was only fixed 1 week ago that made this game unplayable for 3xx owners. 6 months of shit drivers, with no workarounds. They publicly accepted responsibility for this 5+ months ago. I have never been treated so poorly when I used nvidia. Their no drivers meme is the truth and when I swap my card in a few years I will not be going AMD again, even if I have to pay more for nvidia.
>>52421911
>Won't be
but it will though anon, 1 chip 1 cut down chip, rebrands across the board
The AMD way since 4 generations.
>>52423319
That's because they've disabled async.
A 290x has more compute power than the titan x, the first benchmark makes sense, the second one doesn't.
>>52426436
AMD shills are literally the janitor version of tech industry
>gets cucked by their idol
>spends more time than green team spreading their agenda
>does it for free
>>52419378
Funny because fallout 4 runs fine on my 270x
>>52423792
thread/
>>52426584
>does
Back when I used AMD, I remember having a spreadsheet of driver versions and what worked with each of them.
When Rage and Battlefield 3 were released the same day, they both crashed with the current driver. AMD went ahead and released two different drivers, one for each game - the other one would crash.
I grabbed the OpenGL DLL from the Rage drivers and overwrote the one from the Battlefield ones, and (much to my surprise) both games actually worked.
This was useful later on, as I'd grab the best available OpenGL DLL and put it with the best D3D driver (both of them usually several months old).
No thank you. On the bright side, this may greatly improve with D3D12, but we'll see.
>>52427869
Let's not forget the epic meme of AMD drivers released in the current year affecting the performance of games released 10+ years ago for some stupid reason.
>>52423792
underrated post
>>52418974
because idiots would love to buy products if it's been slapped with NVIDIA sticker/logos on it
and shits on any competing products while they're at it
literally apple-tier cancer fanboys
>>52429696
but
>>52423792
I'm sorry but AMD is shit
>>52430687
that kinda makes his point clear that 14 year old gaymer / manchildren would buy anything by Nvidia even though they've been cucked hard
>power draw
literally who cares, i cant tell the difference in my powerbill after going to 290 from both 670 and 750Ti
>>52430864
>housefire
>who care
laptops
>>52423370
To be fair, a 280x is really old tech. Like 3-year old tech. Personally I'll replace mine later this year.
>>52432448
>yfw it came out 4 years ago last week
>>52418974
>have a gtx 770 (evga)
>buy a 390 (msi)
>the fps in cities skylines is now low
>the drivers are probably not optimized
>game crash after every ~10 min in gta v!!?!
>look in forums
>it's only few 390 owner
>sold
>buy a gtx 970 gigabyte oc
They fixed the crash issue (3 week later I think) with the new beta drivers but thats was fucking too late. I want support AMD but sometimes they are incompetent for some reason.
>>52433076
Shit like this is why I hate my 390. It is the only thing on my computer I have ever regretted buying. I came from an EVGA GTX 770 and now GTA V runs like shit, the drivers constantly underclock my card while running games that aren't optimized quite so well, Rainbow Six Siege likes to crash every few hours. When browsing the internet flash videos run like shit and more than 2 twitch streams causes all of them to drop down to 2 FPS...the list goes on and on as to why I should have bought a 970 and not a 390 other than Black ops 3 using 5 GiB of VRAM.
>>52433156
Sell the 390 and buy a fucking 970, you plebeian. Jesus Christ.
http://venturebeat.com/2016/01/14/advanced-micro-devices-ceo-lisa-su-says-2016-is-the-year-amd-is-back/
Honestly, the reason I buy Nvidia hardware is pretty funny. Back in the early 2000s sometime, I used ATI cards. But back then I wasn't as savvy with computers as I am now, I had never built my own tower and relied on those companies that prebuild them for you. So I had a cheap midrange tower built by cyberpower or whatever the fuck they were called back then. And after a couple of years, the thing ended up shitting the bed on me. I take it to the local PC repair place and he open it up and finds that the video card had become so packed with dust that the cooling fan had seized up and LITERALLY melted onto the fucking card. Melted fan plastic all over the video card. No wonder it wouldn't display video. Since then I've been using Nvidia cards and never really found occasion to switch. They work well and the driver issues have been minor; there was a major issue back in my 8800GTX days where I had to use specific drivers to avoid a bluescreen problem, but other than that, it's been smooth sailing.
Getting a Sapphire 390 for 1080@60Hz mostly because it will serve my purposes and hopefully Vulcan/Mantle/GLNext/Vaporware might make lunix gaymen less shitty(steam+lunix+vulcan=my OTP)
Why do you faggots obsess over this so much? If you end up getting a card you don't like, just sell it while you still have warranty and get one from the competitor. All this fanboy shit is beyond retarded.
>>52429395
Maybe because AMDS drivers make the card more efficient rather than just hacking specific parts of games.
You could argue that this is a very good reason, not a stupid reason.
>>52433607
Same here but I dual boot and really like my 390.
>>52431577
>laptops
Literally no one uses them except meme year olds
>>52433156
>>52433076
i always here these horror stories.
i have a 390x and a 390 in crossfire, and except for anno running like shit on my amd rig, i have never had a single issue with the cards
I feel like the companies are trying to make cards for different markets.
Nvidia is castrating it's compute performance in favor of improving vidya fps.
While AMD is trying to make OpenCL/DirectCompute workhorses.
>>52435482
and people that leave moms basement
>>52431577
>graphics for gaymen
>laptops
no one would use that for except for kids or manchildren
which most of nvidia's customers base are consists of
>>52435794
that's pretty much impossible to deny since it's true.
Fermi and recent GCN were/are hot since they prioritized shader GFLOPS over everything else.
Maxwell is comparatively weak in shading but throws transistors at fixed-function graphics blocks like ROPs, TMUs, tessellators, and texture memory compression that do GPGPU things zero good but make some games smoother.
>>52435794
Cuda compute is still at least 3x faster than opencl shit.
>>52419046
Are you me? Just blew my 8800gtx and looking for a new card. Every time I've installed an amd graphics card in the past decade, something has gone wr9ng/required more work then necessary to function. Either the colors look to light or washed out (multiple amd cards) or catalyst control center crashed the computer every 20 minutes (multiple cards and machines)
Never had a problem with Nvidia until my card just went out after years of use.
I had relative frequent driver issues with AMD, and my 7970 is my only GPU that ever decided to fry itself randomly just after warrenty was over. And no, I didn't even OC it or used it to mine those retarded bitcoins.
Now I'm back on the Nvidia team and the drivers are butter smooth, the "graffic center" isn't a giant mess, and the card is a silent as you can imagine even when gaming. The 7970 sounded like a freaking yet engine, and even then it was kinda hot.
>>52418974
Nigga...
>amd is for poorfags
>nvidia is for richfags
>richfags don't like poorfags and viceversa
How hard is that to understand poorfag?
>>52436598
Well written OpenCL code is actually just as fast as well written CUDA code. I know this because I've worked with both.
>>52419835
funny because The only Nvidia cards Iv seen in cases are of poor fags irl (gts 450s,gtx650,750 ti, etc)
