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Other business laptops are also welcome in /tpg/ (e.g. Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook).
New 2016 ThinkPads announced:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9889/lenovo-refreshes-thinkpad-lineup-at-ces
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/01/big-ram-laptops-are-abundant-as-lenovo-does-its-skylake-refresh/
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If you're looking for purchase advice, READ THE BUYERS GUIDE FIRST. Then post, stating budget and requirements (e.g. size and performance).
Don't buy anything OTHER THAN T, X AND W/P SERIES if you want the Real ThinkPad Experience™
Recommended models:
T420 - 14", normal size
X220 - 12.5", lightweight
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Why ThinkPad? (also applies to other business laptops)
>They’re really cheap when you buy a used one.
>Keyboards feel excellent while typing (yes, even the newer ones).
>Great durability thanks to the inclusion of rollcages and use of glass fiber reinforced plastic for the chassis. The keyboard is splash proof and spilled liquids will drain out.
>Utilitarian design - e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models.
>Docking solutions that easily turns your laptop into a desktop.
>Easy to repair, upgrade and maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for almost every model. Spare parts are easy and cheap to obtain.
>The best trackpoint (that red thing on the middle of the keyboard). Great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad.
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support.
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Used ThinkPad Buyers Guide:
http://ktgee.net/tpg
EPP discount for new ThinkPads (USA & Canada only, usually 15%+ off):
http://pastebin.com/wumE7L2f
ThinkWiki - Info on ThinkPads and running GNU/Linux on them:
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki
ThinkPad service guides w/ tutorial videos:
https://www.lenovoservicetraining.com/
Okay for you guys that have stickers on your thinkpads... Post ''em!
I for one covered imperfections with stickers. I'm going to take my thinkpad to my graphic design class, what do you think?
Sent from my T410 Thinkpad device.
Show your guts as well. Have you replaced your thermal compound this week?
>>52408427
so that's what t410 guts look like. haven't needed to open mine up like that yet.
Anyone tried getting a refund for their Windows license from Lenovo?
I wanted to get a 1920x1080 T520 but seems they're much rarer in Europe so I'll have to get a smaller model, probably 1600x900 :(
>>52408615
Anything below 1920x1080 is a dealbreaker for me, personally. It's just awful having that less workspace than that.
>>52408633
Do you know if it's worth buying a 1080 screen separately and fitting it? Or does the model's original resolution mean it will be up-scaling still?
>>52408451
Not very hard to do and when got mine the thermal paste wasn't there anymore.
>>52408789
yeah no shit it isn't hard, just haven't needed to do it, since all the stuff i needed to upgrade/replace just needed screws on the sides, or underneath
>>52408774
If you buy the 1080p screen that fits then it will be real 1080p. It depends on the screen, not on any hardcoded variable in the graphics chip as you may be thinking.
>>52408820
Ah okay. Yeah it was a bit silly to think that. Hopefully it's not too hard.
>>52408845
It's straight forward.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VZoXPibgoA
>>52408810
I'd rather apply new thermal paste, did I mention mine just came with no thermal compound? A full disassemble is imminent son.
Noob here. Could I play dwarf fortress on a series x?
>>52408908
whatever, remove that windows 7 sticker.
>>52408962
No way man, this is my new mint palmrest and one day this Thinkpad will be displayed on a museum. How does it feel that your Thinkpad is not museum compatible?
>>52409044
do it,or i will come and do it too.
>>52408252
>New 2016 ThinkPads announced
Fuck me, I think I jumped the gun on the T450s I bought back in November. That T460s looks badass. And they finally put an HDMI port on it. Meanwhile I'm stuck in the past with this ancient fucking VGA.
>>52409073
>Meanwhile I'm stuck in the past with this ancient fucking VGA.
Senpai, I was contemplating buying the 2015 just because it has VGA. I'm not going to, though. I'll be getting the new series. The need for a VGA comes up too often for me for it not to be a relevant parameter though. But, I need a new laptop within the next couple of weeks, and I doubt the 2015 models will drop in price enough any time soon, for it to be warranted to not buy the new model.
But yeah, you should've waited. Maybe sell of your T450s now, while you can still get decent money for it, and get the new series.
>>52409064
Nope. In fact, I'm going to add this one right now. With super glue.
Third world budget: Edge or S series ThinkPad?
>>52409338
None, third world here and managed to find T410, X220, T420. Lurk more.
>>52409338
Third world budget: used T/X-series.
starting LaunchCode's CS50X course tomorrow so I bought a new chinaman 9cell off amazon for my t420.
9 cell, "18 month warranty", $33 shipped with Prime. the description claims they use Samsung cells, but it had no reviews. sounded better than the ones with reviews so here we are.
just fully charged it and testing life now. I have a quad core and two hard drives, hopefully it can power me for at least four hours. my genuine Lenovo battery only lasts about 2.5 at best.
any tips for saving battery life? I'll let you guys know how this one works out.
>>52409338
what is your actual budget? I'd recommend an older t series over a newer bullshit series. for the record my t420 was like $200 shipped and doesn't feel remotely dated
>>52409481
Disable turboboost. It is disabled in the "fan behaviour" option in the power manager by choosing the balanced settings. Aaaaand set a lower CPU frequency, disable Wifi and lower the brightness.
I just acquired a x201 and installed a fresh Arch linux.
How to enable the scrolling using the middle button + the clit? It doesn't work by default and I have to grab the scroll bar like a cavernman.
>>52409585
If there aren't drivers for that (Google), then you're gonna have to write those drivers yourself.
I can't really help you with either of those things.
>>52409585
>>52409608
You'll also have to reinvent fire, the wheel and your own programming language to do it.
>>52409608
>I can't really help you with either of those things.
Why even bother reply then.
>>52409649
Because now you know something that you didn't know before.
who /memes/ here
>>52409895
>not using lenovo power manager
>>52409961
it doesn't acknowledge my chink battery :<
Is the i3 2350M fast enough for me?
I need a windows laptop for MS office development (macros, addins, some visual studio stuff). Also maybe to finally play Stick of Truth.
What kind of thinkpad should I get if I just wanna torrent and watch anime on it? I'm not looking for something good but something cheap that would work for web browsing torrenting and watching anime
>>52410033
anything with at least a dual core and 4gb ram. just buy the most thinkpad you can afford. x series if you want better portability, t series if you want a bigger screen and the ability to swap cpus.
>>52410067
>the ability to swap cpus.
Can you really do that with the ULV versions?
>>52410086
t series does not have soldered chips. see
>>52409895
i swapped my dual core i5 for a quad core i7.
x series are soldered so if you do buy one, get at least a midrange i5 because you won't be upgrading it.
>mfw the 701C sold for $260 when I paid $100 for it
Feels good, too bad it's going to go straight to repairing my car.
>>52410129
>t series does not have soldered chips.
Regular T series up to T430 and T440p only. Slim models and non-p T series from T440 and on are all soldered.
>>52410150
At least you have a car, I just want to pick up girls and show them my thinkpad...
>>52409366
>>52409369
Those cost tens of thousands here even with their age
>>52409512
I *was* referring to the older series of Edge and S. Anything new is already into the ten thousands
>>52410214
>tfw i have a car a mortgage a thinkpad and a fiancee
do i belong here anymore guys? i want to belong here :(
>tfw got a brand new thinkpad from lenova with i3 and Intel HD 5500 for £200
>>52410433
reee
>>52409481
75 minutes in on chinkforce one. 15% drained. looks like at these settings and this work load i can pull 8 hours of battery off this 9 cell.
hopefully it doesn't degrade like a motherfucker once it's cycled a bit, because i'm really fucking satisfied right now
>>52410433
I have a girlfriend and a T410, today my fucking touch samsung phone managed to touch itself into calling my father in law and they heard me talking about meeting other girls.
Fucking touchscreens ruin everything. Fuck fiancees, I just want sluts and trackpoints.
>>52409585
literally in the arch wiki.
>>52410713
>samshit
just wondering if anyone has opinions on trackpoint replacement caps, oem vs. different styles...
>>52410086
All LV and ULV processors have been soldered for the past 10 years or so
>>52411779
It's a never ending shit flinging match. As per the pic, you can buy a set of the 3 ThinkPad types and have fun with them
My T420's screen's backlight is dead. Where do I go from here?
The suspense of waiting for my T450 is killing me! Should get here tomorrow.
>>52411779
I got a pack of the three since my X220 needed a replacement and I wanted to try the other styles instead of buying 10 soft domes that I'd never use up.
Soft dome is the one everybody's acquainted with, and it works well enough to be the standard. I didn't think I'd like the soft rim from the appearance but I actually love it now that I've tried it. It feels much more accurate and responsive than soft dome ever has for me and there's absolutely no way for my finger to slip off of it. I didn't really like classic dome, it just felt it had all the same issues I have with soft dome only compounded by having an even smaller and steeper-edged surface area and rougher texture. Nice that the option is there for people who are used to it, though.
>>52411976
Find your service manual and see if you can replace it or if you have to buy a new display. Then Google the part number, find one, order it, and replace it according to manual. Search engines aren't rocket science.
>>52412123
Glad I asked.
>>52412097
I went ahead and ordered the 3 pack, is the concave one any harder to find by touch? It looks like it wouldn't stick out as far...
Man, I want an X230 but I'm too poor. All my money is going to my classes and all I got to work with is an old chromebook falling apart for when im on the go. Wish I could buy one off ebay with a payment plan of like $20 a month or something.
>>52408958
Can't you play Dwarf Fortress on anything?
But unless its a really old model then yes you can
>>52412157
I ordered that 10 pack of soft domes with my thinkpad. I'll have to order one of those three packs if I don't like them. I've used them all over the years, but it's been so briefly that I can't remember which is best.
Which one do I get?
>>52412291
love my T410 fambam
The 1366x768 screen on my t420 is so awful.
>>52412291
The T410
Or will I get more outta this?
>>52412315
I am using one of those right now, same exact specs. Have been using it every day since I bought it in 2010. Can't game on it, but it soldiers through everything else. Buy a new battery for it if you do end up going with it.
>>52412157
I've never had any issues. I think the edge of the rim sticks up a little bit more than the center of the dome.
>>52412291
E430... hueheuehue
for performance, probably won't last you long.
I honestly have no idea how to make it display from the VGA due to mine missing a screen.
>>52412072
Hope you like it.
>>52410474
>lenova
I hate you
>>52410214
four doors, more whores!
Meh, woman are boring, its weird interacting with them sometimes.
At this rate I think I'd meet some girl who collects dolls or shoes, some shit and we'd get along.
Guys help! My t540p with i5 4300m gets 80 degree under stress, like for example playing civ maxed out. Is this a save comfortable temp? The laptop is almost brand new.
>>52412889
Return that shit since its under warranty
or take our advice, redo the thermal paste and void your warranty :3
>>52412903
I will redo thermal paste. I guess Lenovo Fucked up at that part?! Also it drains battery while plugged in and under stress is that normal?
>>52410474
>lenova
chinese knockoff of a chinese knockoff ?
>>52412962
lenova because f*ck the patriarchy
I have a X201i model. How to change the aspect ratio to 4:3?
Hello /tpg/, look what I got!
>>52413670
Damn, thats some outdated stuff right there anon-ku.
>>52408427
what's up with the two chips on your cpu?
>>52413723
With some rocking 1440x900 display.
It does have those lil' cloudy things though.
>>52413807
First-gen i series put the integrated graphics on the same chip as the CPU, but they weren't merged into one die until second gen.
>>52413851
And some unpleasant scratches.
Pic related is the biggest one and actually the only big one. I'll try to replace the palmrest and keyboard when I get some money. Then maybe the top cover and screen. The top cover has one of the supports that distance the screen from the keyboard when closed broken. It doesn't seem it could press against the keyboard, but it does have a little backlash when closed (like half a milimeter in one corner).
>>52413670
Cute. Can you swap the palmrest with the X200s like you can with the X201 and X200?
>>52413924
Thanks. Yeah, I think so. Somebody in /tpg/ some time ago said it's compatible with regular X201.
Would it be possible to fit X220's touchpad into X201s? I want to use the touchpad only for gestures so I don't want the buttons.
Here's my ThinkPad. It's a T400. It sits in top of my desktop and acts as a WiFi antenna for it.
>>52412251
Dwarf fortress is actually pretty fucking cpu intensive
>>52414956
Doesn't look like it, from comparing my X220 to X201s on ebay. The X220 is wider than the X201 because of 16:9.
>>52413851
no X series had a 1440x900 panel.
>>52415284
X200s and X201s both do, as does X300 and X301.
>>52414979
>desktop
>wifi
What unfortunate series of events made you decide to use wifi on your desktop ?
Is the keyboard of thinkpad edge e425 compatible with the Edge 330?
>>52415810
9/10 posters in this thread will tell you that the E-series is pretty shit, overall.
>>52415513
No decent way to run a CAT5 from the modem.
>>52416267
powerline.
>>52413670
>those speakers on the bottom of the laptop
reasons why the t420 blaze it is superior
Just got an x100e for $15 and put Lubuntu on it. Did I do good?
>>52415299
Is it better to use an AFFS screen or get a 1440x900 screen for my X200?
From what I see on the internets I got a whole bunch of cool mods I can do to my X200 from flashing libreboot to replacing its mobo with a X201's
>>52416507
proud of u son
>>52416507
that's pretty good.
>>52408252
Just bought a T420s for my Windows needs, ignoring my usual autismo over-research and just taking /g/'s word.
Normally I'd shake my fist and say you'd better be right but it was so cheap I don't even care. I was going to buy an OEM Windows 7 (need to match client setup) and put it in a VM but getting the computer along with it only cost $25 more.
Insane.
>>52417658
specs and price?
>CTRL-F: x260
>0 results
What? Why is nobody talking about the new x260? It is the new x220!
>>52416486
>using speakers
>>52417706
4/320/1600x900 $150
I was fussing over the ram and lack of SSD, but it's not going to be my primary machine and those things are cheap to fix if it becomes a problem.
>>52417766
it's not even released yet, so no one has had a production sample, but i want notebookcheck to get one so they can rip it apart.
>>52417778
not bad, i just paid $160 for a T420, with the same RAM and HDD, but i don't know the screen.
I never had the need of a laptop until now, and I'm pretty damn sure I'm not going to spend a grand just to do simple work stuff.
So, I need the cheapest thinkpad that can give me a smooth experience on:
- Web browsing
- MS Office
- Dropbox
- PDF reading
- Checking mail
And that's pretty much everything I'm going to use it for. Suggestions?
>>52412926
No. If it's under warranty consider a return. Seriously.
>>52419093
T400
My x220T's battery life is shit-tier. My powertop output is 14 V on average. What are some things that I could disable to help?
>>52419137
Welp, dual core and 2gb of RAM, should be more than enough and the size is good, thanks.
What is considered a "good" price on this laptop?
>>52419255
see >>52408252
there is a buyer guide there
Which thinkpads have firewire built in or at least the xpress slot for an adapter? Is it just some t420s as far as built in goes?
I need it for my audio mixer
>>52419093
t420 with ssd - fast as fuck
the screen is trash tho desu.
>>52419289
They look a bit more expensive where I live.
Around 130€, but I found one for 110€ with a fucked up USB port and 160GB HDD and another one for 125€ on good condition but 80GB HDD, and the seller offers to raise the RAM to 4GB for £20 more but I don't think is worth it.
>>52419338
I considered the T420 but I'm not going to buy an SSD, that would double the price and I'm going to use this only at work and not every day.
>>52408252
>order a new 33++ 9cells battery for my T400
>expecting at least 4 hours of autonomy
>get 1h30 on lower mode
>>52419209
Install TLP?
>>52419338
sry wtf i would never say desu. what word gets changed to this?
>>52417766
>chiclet keyboard
>16:9
No
>>52419384
Why this happened /tpg/ ? It was a new battery
>>52419432
The one that you wrote.
>>52419482
It happened because you bought a low quality battery, most likely.
Used T440s (with the shit trackpad*) for $500 or a brand spankin' new X260 for ~$1300?
What do you think?
*that I'll replace
>>52419323
Please respond tbqh familiars
>>52420286
Neither, get a t60
>>52420341
I can't handle that kind of meme level.
>>52419482
Are u running Linux
>>52420012
I just checked with Power Manager, already 600 cycles.
>>52420454
This is why you enquire before you buy
>>52420454
You ordered on ebay? Complain to ebay and get your money back. Maybe you get to keep that battery too.
>>52420550
It's from amazon, I'm going to return it
>>52412251
>Can't you play Dwarf Fortress on anything?
Up to a certain population, sure, but it's a demanding game. It's single-threaded and does shitloads of pathfinding calculations and materials lookups every second, which means the main factors in its performance are raw speed and cache size.
>>52412251
Dwarf fortress is an infinite CPU game. It'll eat as many cycles as you have.
You could run it on something really bad but you'll only get like 10fps with like 2 dwarves.
And world gen, world events, things like that will take fucking forever to calculate.
>>52413851
Oh, I forgot to ask:
what could cause the effect seen on the photo? Can I repair that?
Also, what should I install to check my battery? I don't see any info on battery cycles in Kubuntu. Will tp_smapi help me?
>>52413670
>x201s
damn nigga, how much did that cost?
>>52420951
180 GBP including shipping to Poland.
>>52420695
Is it possible to acquire a Thinkpad that's gonna play dwarf fort completely normally
I can find some on ebay for £120 with 2.4 GHz
But I have no idea if that's good enough
>>52420750
Dwarf Fortress is coded with the ass indeed
Just got my T420 and there's quite the blue tint, is this normal?
is the x220 worth the extra $80 compared to x201?
I'm sure this has been asked a fuckload of times, but:
>T BLAZE IT
>X220
Taking into account the size/weight doesn't matter, why should I choose the blaze it above the x220?
>there are still cucks that roam /g/ that use 1366x768
Why haven't you offed yourselves yet?
Thinkpad x250 and 17" Macbook Pro is the best combo of laptops.
I just disassembeled my broken old x121e to salvage what I could. Well, it works fine actually, it's just that the hinges broke. I have no use for a laptop that's literally falling apart. The threading for the screws that broke was garbage tier plastic painted to look metal.
Never buy the cheap Lenovo stuff. I mean god damn.
Time to get an X260!
Anyone know why the new X1 Yoga has a higher MSRP than the P40 Yoga, despite the fact that the P40 is equipped with quadro graphics? Like am I really sacrificing that much for a smaller footprint? Pretty sure they're both 6th gen intel, though the lower end X1 only has an i5.
>>52423135
Better thermals, higher resolution, Ultrabay, socketed CPU, more ports, dedicated GPU option, better keyboard feel. If you don't care about size or weight there's not much of a reason to go for the more portable device.
>>52423004
Yeah, the panel quality isn't great even if you got the 900p one. You need to get a 15" Thinkpad if you want a good screen, smaller models are all compromises.
>>52419432
>using niggerspeak
>being new
baka desu senpai
Anyone running Windows with Teracrypt/Veracrypt or similar full system encryption?
I've an i5 T430s that has the hardware AES chip and was wondering if I would be taking a hit in CPU performance - mostly light gaming that is pretty CPU taxing to begin with
What's a good thinkpad to get that handles diablo 3 well? something budgety but not horrible. also where do you all buy yours from?ebay?
>>52423446
oni-chan pls
>>52423336
>tfw no cheap t blaze it in europe
Does anyone have any more info on the custom bios for the T420 & Ivy bridge I7s?
google translate fucking fails hard when trying to translate forum posts. But from what I gather... it all works except usb and some problems with the HD4000.... Can anyone fill in the blanks?
>>52423259
Are those volume and power buttons on the side there? Yuck.
>>52423136
B-but display mods for X220 haven't been made feasible yet that only a few chinese technowizards have done it, and even then it's flawed because it uses the displayport for output, rendering it unusable with external monitors
At least 1366x768 is less eye cancer when screen size is smaller
>>52419209
TLP and downclock GPU on battery. Even if turbo is off, the GPU driver is not aware of that and when it wants to raise its operating frequency it will put the CPU into turbo mode, wasting power(GPU and CPU use the same clock reference)max_non_turbo=$(< /sys/class/drm/card0/gt_RP1_freq_mhz)
echo $max_non_turbo | sudo tee /sys/class/drm/card0/gt_max_freq_mhz
got my two X200's today.
one is pretty good but the screen seems to be permanently redshift'd/flux'd and it doesn't have a hard drive.
the other's screen is good, but it's spitting out a fan error message at boot.
it's fine though, i'll harvest one for the other, and libreboot it when the jumpers and clip come.
>>52423894
A volume rocker, yeah. I don't mind it considering you can probably mute the laptop before you even open it. Also makes sense given that media keys won't work if you have it in tablet mode.
>>52411976
It's probably a fuse that won't be too hard to replace. I doubt the actual light died.
On a not really related note: give me tips for maximizing battery life while runnign linux on a T420. I already turned off the discrete graphics card in the BIOS and I just found the setting in XFCE power manager that tells the machine to suspend when the lid closes rather than just lock the screen.
>>52424852
Install TLP, set max charge threshold to 80%
Would a t420 play diablo 3 fine?
>>52424876
Thanks anon, reading about tlp now.
>>52424897
With dedicated graphics, yes. Without, no. We've gone over this like five times already. Since you apparently can't into ebay, I've done all the hard work for you. Here's what you want:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-T420-Core-i5-2-5GHZ-4GB-320GB-Nvidia-1600x900-Webcam-Win-7-Excellent-/262239199202?hash=item3d0eac9fe2:g:azAAAOSwo3pWdzpz
Mind, that's not a particularly good price. If you're patient and check repeatedly, you should be able to score those specs for under $200 like I did. But if you can't be bothered, there it is.
>>52424960
Wasn't me before. but thanks for info. i bene looking on ebay as well. almost won one bid
Hi /tpg/. I'm going to university in a few months and am leaning towards buying a thinkpad. The x220 sounds perfect, but I am afraid of it becoming outdated. Would an x220 last another 4 years? Money is not an issue and I'm open to buying a new thinkpad if I have to.
>>52424960
Is there a certain name ot look for? most t420's I see don't have nvdia and are 1366 reso
>>52424470
It renders the display port for the dock unusable, retard. You can still use the display port on the laptop itself just fine.
>>52425042
The CPU is plenty strong, on par with Broadwell. What you might not be happy with is the integrated GPU if you play any games at all. HD 3000 is really anemic, not just insufficient for playing the latest AAA console ports but awful for just about anything. It struggles with even the more barebones Source games. If you have the budget for it, get an X230 instead. You can swap the X220 keyboard in if you want it and you'll get much more mileage out of the iGPU.
>>52425042
Money isn't an issue? Get the new 2016 X1 Carbon which should be coming out in Feb. T460s and T450s are nice as well.
>>52425097
Just search T420 1600x900 nvidia gpu and search from there
>>52425491
My bad, doesn't change the fact it's not feasible until the chinks figure out something more efficient and cost effective
Got an x220 on ebay with a docking station and spare touchpad panel.
i5, 8gb, 120gbssd, and ips.
$200+$20 shipping. Did I do good?
It's in decent shape and feels really good to type on.
Got it to use at work while sitting at my desk.
Can I use on of the USB 3.0 Port Docks with a x230?
According to Lenovo site only the x230s is supported.
Anyone used Lenovo Y50-70? How's the screen or build quality?
Can i5-4710H and 860M handle Witcher 3, at least on lowest?
