Skylake is completely broken.
Let alone it can't take a cooler heavy than a 50c coin, now it can't even process heavy loads without freezing.
http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2016/01/intel-skylake-bug-causes-pcs-to-freeze-during-complex-workloads/
Did you buy the Skycuck?
I just swallowed a sunflower seed with the hull on while laughing to this.
Am I gonna die now?
What are the alternatives?
>buy outdated objectively inferior ddr3 shit for the same price
>buy amd (lol)
>buy skylake and get microcode update
Still the best processor for the money right now.
That doesn't make sense. How does prime95 make a skylake cpu malfunction?
Is it overheating?
>>52374059
>500 rupees have been deposited to your account.
>>52374071
Bug in AVX, much like the infamous Pentium FDIV bug..
>>52374023
unfortunately no
>>52374056
wait for zen
>>52374023
It's gonna grow in your stomach man
>>52374056
>>52374059
LGA2011-3 is the best platform right now, not Skylake. DDR4, more shit, better CPUs, sometimes even cheaper because fucking prices on Skylake right now are retarded.
The only problem is trying to make a 2011-3 ITX system. There's only one board that's ITX and it's not very good, it's expensive (you have to buy a shuttle barebones), and it kind of defeats the purpose since you can't do quad channel DDR4 or use all the PCIe lanes.
>>52374056
If you're such an inpatient anon that you can't wait, one of the suggestions you just made.
Otherwise, just wait for Broadwell-E or Zen.
>>52374088
>AMD
>Keep waiting for "next best thing"
>Keep getting disappointed each generation
We keep having this discussion like every two years for the past 10 years.
>>52374056
You know the microcode update isn't guaranteed to fix the problem right? It could be a severely design flaw overlooked.
>>52374088
So we can be disappointed by how it still doesn't match up to either Intel's offerings or AMD's hype?
The only options right now are:
>socket 2011
Too expensive, not worth the money
>socket 1150
4790k is a really good option. And its only $70 more than the i5 skymeme
>socket 1151
Highest IPC, but meme issues like this one, bending. etc.
>AMD
>any year post 2007
>>52374117
>>52374123
nah I expected the earlier amd's to fail because their names sucked, but Zen has the swag and will make amd market share great again.
>>52374119
Or it could be like the TSX bug microcode update for Haswell - it just completely disabled TSX.
>>52374148
>nah I expected the earlier amd's to fail because their names sucked, but Zen has the swag and will make amd market share great again.
We can only hope. I just recycled my last AMD system (literally recycled, not repurposed). It was kind of sad. I had a lot of good memories of that machine. It'd be nice to have AMD around again.
>>52374131
>Too expensive
>decent motherboard is only about $20 more expensive than 1151
>CPUs are cheaper than 1151
How is it more expensive?
>>52374165
We'll see soon enough. But I hope for intel's sake this bug can be fixed via an update. Skylake is already a bad choice because of the lower single thread performance.
>>52374200
>Skylake is already a bad choice because of the lower single thread performance
Wut?
It has the highest IPC bruh.
>>52373963
Lol.
>>52374223
For multi core performance, yeah. intel fucked something up and single thread performance is worse on skylake compared to haswell for some reason.
Even then, skylake has like 5% better ipc compared to haswell at best.
>>52374131
>not AMD
>anything but a 8320E
>>52374289
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sx1kLGVAF0&spfreload=10
Single core performance is 5-10% better than haslel at the same frequency.
Keep in mind that Skymeme benefits from higher memory frequency.
Early bench probably used 2133-2400 DDR4.
Zen is the last chance I am giving AMD.
Server- xeon e5-2680
Nas - avoton c2550
laptop - core M y-5Y10
Desktop FX 8350
My desktop is up next for upgrade this summer/fall.
>>52373963
>freezes under a certain condition
>is being fixed
>completely broken
You guys really love blowing things out of proportion
>>52374379
ITS OVER, INTEL IS FINISHED
>>52373963
4970k masterrace
skymeme bend
broadlel irrelewant
>>52374131
>2011
>too expensive
It's cheaper for a far faster 2011-3 based system than a shitty skylel.
Hell it's less than $30 more than a 4790K based system, why the fuck wouldn't you want 2 extra Haswell cores for $24.59?
>>52373963
Anybody still buying non-HEDT platforms deserves to be cucked. The 5820K is literally the same price as a shit tier quad core i7.
>buying a consumer i7 ever
How did this even happen? An i5 is more than enough for your gaymes and if you really needed extra cores, then you would get the superior 5820k.
>>52374379
>is being fixed
See:
>>52374165
It won't be fixed, it will be 'fixed'.
>>52373963
Because it's still better than VapourZen
>>52374023
Salted or unsalted?
>>52374097
Enjoy your 130W cpu.
>>52374539
When plebs thought the 2600K was 'TEH BESTEST FIND EVAR!111!!ONE'
Pretty much anyone who moved from LGA775 (or whatever MAD socket) to 1156 was a cuck.
>>52374571
>Thermal Design Power is electrical usage.
>>52374023
It would be extremely painful
>>52374056
>what are Xeons
The high-end had DDR4 before you even knew such a buzzword existed.
>>52374560
Why would that even matter? He's gonna have a sunflower grow out of his stomach either way assuming he doesn't die throughout this excruciatingly painful event.
>>52374498
>2x8 GiB
On a fucking quad channel CPU. Seriously?
Use four single sided modules if you don't want to gimp your performance to hell and back.
>>52373963
>unapproved and unlicensed 3rd party equipment is breaking your expensive sensitive 14nm process equipment.
>using 3rd party equipment ever instead of the tested and approved intel coolers
>It's intel's fault you're a retarded ricer fag who needs to overclock to live!
>>52374657
Are you actually this retarded?
It won't 'gimp' your performance 'to hell and back', you just won't get the extra benefit of the extra memory channels.
5820k here it's a power hungry whore but it's rock solid and stable.
>>52374674
>Intel's own 'tested and approved' tower cooler causes the problem too.
>In fact so does intel's own 'tested and approved' TS15A 'thermal solution'
Where are your shillbux now Sanjay?
6700k here, haven't had this issue (yet) but I've hit 100% usage a ton of times
>>52374728
I kinda wish it would overclock better, though.
4.2 GHz at 1.26V is the best I can do.
Skylake has truly become a meme
Should I just buy haswell-e now before intel ruins the price?
>>52374766
>but I've hit 100% usage a ton of times
Doing what?
>>52374785
Probably converting videos or something
>>52374781
>Skylake has truly become a meme
Yet, its still the best option
But go ahead if you want to buy a 5820k, nobody is stoppping from going full retard
Not surprised. Which tick / tock was the chipset degradation problem?
If I have an i5-4690, is it worth upgrading to a Skylake i5 + new motherboard + DDR4 RAM? What kind of performance increase can I expect?
>>52374785
your mom
That sucks. Really?
6700k can do 4.6 with little effort. Thats 10% plus the IPC advantage, its a whole different deal then.
>>52374785
multiboxing vidya games
>>52373963
nope I went for haswell and I'm glad I did
>>52374023
Hopefully, shitposting tripfag
>>52373963
I will always buy Intel™ because I only play games with Intel Inside™. Intel also pioneers innovative new technologies like Hyper Threading Technology™, Intel Rapid Start Technology™ and the highest quality chipsets to ever grace motherboards.
When I boot up with a brand new Intel™ i7™ with the latest Z chipset, I can enjoy the games the way they where meant to be with Intel Inside™. Intel™ also delivers a far more silkysmooth experience with its Hyper Threading Technology™.
Intel i5™ is also very power efficient. A processor is the most power hungry device in your house. Air conditioners, water heaters, lights, etc all use less power than a processor. Which is why Intel™ puts gamers first by ensuring that their gaming experience is of the highest quality while looking out for gamers by giving them the most value in their electrical bill.
At this point in time, there's really no reasons to consider an AMD processor at all. I tried once, it caused so much heat that it exploded and nearly burnt down my house. It also consumed so much power that it produced an EMP and destroyed not only the rest of my computer but my entire neighborhood.
Intel™ also pioneered how useless MORE CORES is with the i™ series processors. Years ago, everyone thought MORE CORES were the future. Now, Intel™ has debunked that myth entirely and increased efficiency. Now you can save thousands a year in electricity thanks to Intel™ with its powerful IPC. MORE CORES will never be part of Intel's™ line up.
It's quite clear that OPs an AMD shill trying to convince you to settle on something less than the optimal experience with Intel Inside™. Intel™ is the only real way to play games. We have seen recently that they offer incredible libraries for software developers like Intel C++ Compiler. He is probably too poor to afford the Intel Inside™ experience and can not afford to play any games.
Don't be a poor gamer with bad chipsets and a huge power bills. Play games with Intel Inside™
>>52374766
Same it's heaven.
>>52374832
a skymeme citizen, your fine bruh would just be a waste to upgrade. Unless you have a -really- good reason to upgrade.
>>52374539
not entirely true, the i7s have 2mb more of L3 which can improve performance drastically under certain situations, also higher binned in general and can OC to higher clock speeds.
>>52374077
>Bug in AVX, much like the infamous Pentium FDIV bug..
Like the one where if you pressed a certain key combination, followed by Delete, you got sucked into the computer and had all the internet downloaded into your brain?
>intel is finished and bankrupt
>tfw they could probably fuck up real bad for the next 5 or 6 gens and still feel nothing but a small dent at their revenue and profits. They wouldn't even lose money.
>>52374117
>We keep having this discussion like every two years for the past 10 years.
Nah, no. Phenom 2 was great, it was like a core 2 but with 6 cores at 4ghz, and pretty cheap too.
Excavator is good as well, basically piledriver +15% ipc and lower power usage - shame they aren't actually building cpus with it. (but understandable since they are building up for Zen launch and don't need more old stock that wouldn't sell)
>>52374832
Probably not a good idea. I'm coming from an i5-4670k and the performance gains are minimal.
>>52375231
what this guy said. I've got a 6600k now because my motherboard died and I saw it as an opportunity to upgrade the whole system.
>>52375245
https://img.4plebs.org/boards/f/image/1400/18/1400188987384.swf
>>52374765
>causes problems too
[citation needed]
fuck off back to AMDumb pajeet
>>52375301
personally i think they should have released an updated fx line based off of excavator.
just to give amd loyal's something to upgrade to and make them more competitive in the $100 - $200 budget range and make the company look like they're trying to be competitive in the cpu market. instead of sitting there going "well we are working on zen!!! (late 2016, early 2017!, just wait three more years of nothingness!)"
a 6300 upgraded to excavator 15%+ boost ipc plus an easy overclock to add an extra 10% boost would make the 6300 a strong competitor against all non k i5's.
>>52373963
I dont know anon, I'm running my 6600k at 4.4ghz, it doesnt go higher than 68°C at 1.2v.
I'm sure it can go higher easily, but for now its enough for me, and I'm not even watercooling.
Also the problems you're talking about are bound to happen, and you should know its not that smart make it out like Intel is shit when no one is using AMD CPUs for this kind of task in the first place.
mid range non K Skylakes are best value right now, 6600k is best value for enthusiasts if you dont need HT.
now kindly go fuck yourself.
>>52375663
Those who buy AMD CPUs for their niche performance (they are the best bang for the back if you can push all 8 cores), those people would already have an FX chip and an Excavator based one would only be an incremental upgrade. And it might not even scale well enough in high-power scenarios (the apus are all what, 45W max?). This is without taking into account any other possible incompatibility with motherboards and such.
At this point doing an AM3+ update would take engineering resources away from Zen, and if Zen is really as good as it is then they are wise to concentrate on that with full steam.
>>52374622
4 U
>>52375663
a lot of amd fx 8 core bulldozer owners ditched their 8150's for the newer piledriver 8350's when they came out.
i think they would of done the same for excavator. they did it for 10%, they would of glady done it again for another 15%.
>>52374539
>not having HT
is like you want to have low performance m8
>>52373963
i went for haslel. who's lelling now?
>>52376000
You are.
So am I, but at Intel and Skylel owners.
We can laugh together anon.
>>52375752
>1.2v needed for 4.4ghz
Holy shit batman, that's fucking shitloads of voltage...
My 4820K doesn't go above 1.05v at 4.3ghz...
>Buying what is essentially massively overclocked notebook parts for full price
This is why you ALWAYS go HEDT.
>wait for skylake, they said
>>52376516
>tfw 4.5 on 1.15
feels gud mang
You haven't seen hell though until you've broken the magical 5.0 on a 2500k at 1.42V though
>>52376000
I'm stuck on an i5 Ivy Bridge that stopped overclocking probably because I killed it with voltage. Next gen CPU and GPUs can't come soon enough
>>52373963
>On the razors edge of technology
>Slips and cuts throat open
This was bound to happen.
>>52374088
FUCK OFF
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>>52374097
enjoy your house fire
i switched from a house fire fx 8350 oc 4.6ghz and a 290. i got a 6700k when it came back in stock at sane prices and a gigabyte g1 980. room dropped 7 degrees, 850 watt psu down to a 550, and reduced electricity bill. ditched my 240 rad to a single fucking 212 evo.
no way i was going to go to intels house fire platform after being on amds.
>>52374056
>>buy skylake and get microcode update
you mean BIOS update which will also remove bclk overclocking?
>>52374785
Triangles
>>52374498
>Only $24 more than 4790k
>Explicitly chose $120 set of 16GB RAM.
Dude. You choose the cheapest set of memory from a reputable manufacturer of the amount of RAM you want. There is no fucking benefit to getting really fast RAM unless you're using the embedded GPU for gaming.
That $120 set of RAM should be a ~$65 set of RAM.
>>52374674
What Intel tested and approved cooler? They don't bundle them with unlocked Skylel anymore.
You HAVE to buy an aftermarket heatsink for unlocked Skylel processors.
i7 4790k is still the best. OC'd to 4.8ghz with meme212 65C at load. Thank god I didn't fall for the skycuck meme and super high latency DDR4 meme.
>>52373963
>>52373963
Nah, still using my 4670k.
If anyone went 6600k or 6700k they got absolutely cucked. If your workload actually uses ddr4, there's no reason not to spend the extra money on going Haswell-E with the x99 platform. It was pretty obvious to me that the announcement of Skylake was going to be super underwhelming, and that anyone who updated from Haswell, Sandy Bridge, etc etc. to Skylake was paying a fuck ton of money for minimal improvements.
>>52377210
>He fell for the hyperthreading meme.
>Over 95% of all games use 4 cores or less.
>Paid ~$100 (or about +30%) more than a 4690k for incredibly situational improvement.
>Could have used that difference to get a tangible performance difference in either more SSD space, more storage space, or an entire step up in GPU tier such as 960 -> 970 or 970 -> 980.
>>52377556
>gaymer
go back to >>>/v/
who told you I bought it for gaymen?
>>52374362
>at the same frequency.
doesnt matter shit, if haskell can achieve higher frequency than skylake
>benefits from higher memory frequency.
we all know this is a meme, but nice try
>>52376740
>Thinks psu's draw what they're rated for 100% of the time
>Claims they reduced their power bill.
No you fucking didn't.
>>52374097
>quad channel
>2016
as if dual channel wasnt obsolete in modern systems
>>52377556
>step up in GPU tier such as 960 -> 970
but anon, that's a couple steps DOWN in gpu tier..
le maymay 3.5gigaguts
>>52376481
>>52377210
>>52373963
>>52377611
>>52373963
Still on a 2500k
Guess I'm just gonna wait till zen and decide to upgrade then when I can compare it to intel
>>52374056
> implying using DDR3 is such a massive downgrade
For the average user, 8GB or 16GB of DDR3 RAM is perfectly fine and more than enough. It's the power users or professionals - or the autists who need the latest and greatest as it hits the shelves - that can see (or say they see) a performance spike.
>>52375806
>would of
Choke on a bag of cocks, you fucking faggot.
>>52373963
I just ran a 6700 (non-K) for 2 hours in Prime 95 with AVX and absolutely no crashes
Maybe this only affects the K models
>>52379914
>If you use the current 28.7 version, you will need to create a text file in the folder using Notepad. You can do this by right-mouse-clicking in the Prime95 folder and selecting New > Text Document. Give the text document the title “local.txt.” Once the file is created, double-click it to open with Notepad and type the line CpuSupportsFMA3=0. Save the file in the same folder.
>You have to do this because, according to the bug finders, by default the newer version of Prime95 will use AVX2 and the error appears to only occur with AVX.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3021023/hardware/how-to-test-your-pc-for-the-skylake-bug.html
>>52380222
I did that already, AVX is active, not AVX2
Almost three hours and still going
>>52373963
i find this even worse
http://techreport.com/news/26911/errata-prompts-intel-to-disable-tsx-in-haswell-early-broadwell-cpus
fuck i miss my i7 920
AMD save us!
>>52375180
tl;dr
>>52374799
>best option
>cant calculate prime numbers, bends, retarded price, barely any performance gain
Yeah best option, as mentioned fucking 2011-3 is cheaper
>>52373963
intelfags on suicide watch.
