If you are serious about switching to Linux, use it exclusively for 2 weeks, avoid booting to windows for that period of time, or you are likely to start retreating back to windows instead of getting used to linux as your new home and working on making it feel comfortable
You can safely experience installation process and the basic usage through a virtual machine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R33sFFhgkWk
>Recommended for Beginners:
Xubuntu, Manjaro, openSUSE
>Learn to RTFM - Read The Friendly Manual
man <insert command here>
>Resources:
/r/linux4noobs
/r/linuxquestions
/r/unixporn
http://explainshell.com/
http://www.server-world.info/en/
https://www.codecademy.com/learn/learn-the-command-line
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLtK75qxsQaMLZSo7KL-PmiRarU7hrpnwK
if you wanna try arch
I'll ask this there too.
>>52328735
First day on Linux (Xubuntu)
Now what? Do I just brag on /g/ about it?
I would like to learn how to make desktop/panel widgets for XFCE if that is possible. What language are they written in?
>>52329044
>>52329005
FUCK OFF YOU REDDITOR
https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/3ya67j/install_arch_infographic/
>>52329087
Google it you lazy fuck?
>>52329087
you use it until your second day
and then repeat
>>52329087
do xubuntu, kubuntu, lubuntu say ubuntu in screenfetch?
>>52329087
https://wiki.xfce.org/dev/howto/panel_plugins
xfce wiki is rather gud.
>>52329109
disgusting OP indeed
>mfw thinking up a new username
at least I instantly knew what hostname to use..
Does anyone know a good software for enabling various backgrounds in gnome?
>>52328383
I'm pretty much out of ideas, guys.
>>52329357
>looks at OP picture
eh, variety?
>>52320979
>Interesting, I knew they were called terminal emulators but I never bothered learning why. Do you do any programming on it for shits and giggles?
Yeah, thats my latest project. I was lucky enough to get the manual that came with it, which is often missing, and it has a full programming guide (meaning it explains what the ansi escape sequences and control codes do, since they differed from terminal to terminal).
NCurses also has definitions for my terminal - ncurses was originally made to allow prograns to run on many different kinds of terminals, and it uses a database of terminal capabilities to decide what to do for any given machine.
>>52320965
>I know that's a terminal but what IS it, like if I went out and bought hardware what would I be looking for because that shit is fucking awesome
You'd need to make sure it's an RS-232 terminal. IBM also made some that used twinaxial cable for their mainframe systems - they used completely different technologies and are incompatible with modern machines. Any of DEC's VT-*** series are safe bets, as are all terminals IBM made that are called something like 'ASCII display station' or that mention RS-232. You'd also need a null modem cable with proper full handshaking with a DB25 on one end and a DE9 on the other, or you'll experience lots of overflows and certain terminals will refuse to work altogether. You'll need a serial port on your computer or a USB RS-232 device. Mine's based on the PL2303 chip, which has decent linux drivers. To start a terminal session on it, you will need to use a program like 'getty' or 'agetty'. The terminal will also need to be configured for the right settings - I've attached the settings used on my terminal, although others may call them different things.
I can confirm the followong terminals work, but there are definitely more:
IBM 3161 (mine)
IBM 3163
IBM 3151
IBM 3101
DEC VT-100
DEC VT-102
DEC VT-220
DEC VT-320
WYSE WY50
WYSE WY55
WYSE WY60
more in the termcap db source.
>>52329405
playing Rogue
>>52329388
can you get audio out of analog connections? If so you need to set your default output to HDMI. I can help but I'll need to check what my asound.conf looks like first and I'm currently on mobile.
What is the purpose of executing apt-get update and apt-get upgrade after installing something from the command line?
>>52329389
Sorry I know I've used it before but I couldn't install it the last time, gonna try out again
>>52329254
let me guess, the hostname is "botnet"?
>>52329539
The speaker and headphones work, yeah.
I'll try making HDMI default.
>>52329430
is there a single roguelike that can save a game?
I' m fond of brogue but the saves do not work!
>>52329005
why no banshee for music player?
>>52329389
Shit I can't install it still
>>52329580
not even close m8
>>52329599
The OP is dumb.
>>52329612
on what distro, what does it say?
>>52329599
Why should it be there?
What does it do better or how does it distinguish from dozens of other players?
>>52329677
because I use it
just wondering why it wasn't included.
>>52329649
I'm using fedora 23, pic related
what are some recommended groups a normal user should be in? Right now I'm not even allowed to reboot my system.
>>52329788
>pic related
but it must be obvious that its not helpful
do the install through terminal and see what it actually says?
anyway nitro or feh can do wallapper things if you need something for your own script to be executed
>>52329825
what groups are you in right now?
>>52329788
how easy is it to jump from Ubunutu so something like fedora?
is it just a command line?
>>52329763
>because I use it
thats not enough for a change
>>52329854
according to /etc/group I managed to join 'users'. I'm a bit confused there's no 'sudo' group.
>>52329109
rekt
>>52329878
disk wheel cron audio cdrom video usb users vboxusers plugdev portage
Never heard of a sudo group, you set permissions of sudo in visudo
>>52329878
when you are logged in, what does command
groups
tell ya?
>>52329863
Fedora is roughly as noob-friendly as Ubuntu. You just have to add the RPM Fusion repositories, and then your experience will be more-or-less the same.
>>Im new to linux I have been using for a week and Fedora is my first distro
>>52329837
Thanks, but can you tell me how I can add it trough the terminal ? Im a noob at linux Ive only been using it for a week sorry ..
Also I can only find on to add variety trough terminal in Ubuntu and the only thing for fedora is trough rpm but I dont know how to add with the rpm on the terminal
>>52329927
Nope, fedora is much more likely to break for you and cause you general headache than ubuntu could ever do, especially if you live to upping the version
stopping telling people its ok to recommend fedora to noobs
>>52329925
users yusa
>>52329923
ah, so there's a sudoers file to edit. Gotcha.
>>52329585
rogue lets you save.
Pokemon: mystery dungeon lets you save (as do the non-pokemon mystery dungeon games IIRC).
There is source code out there for the old BSD rogue,you can investigate / modify that code if you want to add save slots or something.
>>52329933
what is the problem though ?
>>52329962
http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/rhel-redhat-fedora-opensuse-linux-install-rpmfile-command/
>>52329927
Is there anything i can do about stability?
Ubuntu keeps freezing
>>52329863
The only difference you're likely to notice is the change in defaults(major being Gnome 3 instead of Unity) and the package manager.
It's easy enough though.
>>52329971
Nah not really.
Unless you're comparing Fedora to LTS version of Ubuntu but that wouldn't be a fair comparison.
I've had Ubuntu break on me when doing a dist update from one release to another.
Whereas I've been running the same Fedora installation since F20 and updating it through all the versions to F23. And besides having to wait for 3rd party repositories to catch up with the release cycle, not a single thing broke.
>>52330232
can you install variety? >>52329788
>>52322470
>Opinions on manjaro?
Don't. Just use a normal god-damn distro. even openSUSE is better than manjaro, but I'd use Debian or fedora or even amazuntu or arch before manjaro. In that order of preference, Debian first.
>>52329109
annihilated
>>52330300
yeah i guess so
http://www.rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=variety&submit=Search+...
They're not in the official repositories tho, probably because it's obscure and useless but there are compiled packages available for download.
>>52330300
Im trying to but this is happening ...
>>52330361
>krillinit666
>>52330361
You dumb?
The package is in ~/Documents when your command prompt clearly says ~/
>>52330361
Your problem is that you are not in the same directory as the file. You are in your home directory and it looks like the RPM file is in your Documents folder.
Trycd ~/Documentsand then your rpm install command, or give it the full path to the file.
>>52330361
if you knew about tab auto complete you would know you are in wrong directory
when you be writing rpm -ivb
you follow it with just var-{tabpress} and shit will pop up there on its own
it pains me knowing that you wrote whole that filename out probably
maybe you copy paste but I doubt it kinda
>>52330458
As I said before I've only been using linux for a week and I know almost shit about terminal, but thank you all for teaching me this, its essential
>>52330412
thanks so much for helping understand what I was doing wrong but I think this thing hates me, now I get this error ...
>>52330592
It's literally failed dependencies. Programs often require libraries or other programs. Find them in your package manager and install them.
>>52330592
Welcome to RPM dependency hell.
>>52330630
thanks !
>>52329005
When I want to create a bootable usb using an iso with dd, should i first convert it to an img or would keeping it an iso be okay?
>>52330630
>>52330592
Whats the point of rpm if it does not install dependancies?
Is this fedoras thing?
maybe its not that well dont RPM install?
>>52330648
iso is just fine, I always did iso
just dont forget that you are doing dd on non-mounted usb
umount before you start
>>52330663
>maybe its not that well dont RPM install?
maybe its not that well done RPM install file?
I am really interested in using Linux, particularly -buntu OS, but the problem are the drivers and lack of terminal console knowledge. Every Linux OS I've tried requires me hours of fixing crashes and instability. I've tried Fedora, (Xu, Lu, U)-buntu, Elementary, Arch, and TAILS. My specs:
Core i5 3317U (1.7GHz, boost 2.4GHz)
Intel HD 4000 (350 MHz, boost 999MHz)
Seagate 500GB HDD, in formatted GPT using UEFI
Model: ASUS X202E-DB21T, with a X202E-DH51T motherboard
>>52330677
Thanks, I've never really understood the dd command.
But I've "destroyed" at least 1 flashdrive
I've got some sort of an issue. I've had several Linux distros dual booted in the past and I frequently delete them and go back to Windows for a while. Recently I've noticed that the distros never seem to be 100% deleted since they show up as USB drives to boot from within the advanced startup Windows options. I would like to know how to actually FULLY get rid of them and clear their entries from the Windows boot partition since lately I've had enormous problems when installing a new distro and GRUB fails to install, when I run a boot repair it will tell mi that my EFI partition is locked and I have no clue on how to fix that.
is gentoo legitimately worth installing? what do people like about it that makes it different from other distros?
>>52330802
It's very worth it. You can make your system to be anything you want it to be, you have pretty much full control. It also has a fantastic package manager.
>>52330592
I know nothing at all about rpm, but I BELIEVE you need to use the 'yum' package manager and tell it to get all the dependencies.yum install ImageMagick dbus-python pycairo-devel pyexiv2 python-beautifulsoup4 python-configobj python-httplib2 python-imaging python-lxml python-pillow python-pycurl webkitgtk
I use debian, so I may be wrong on that command.
If variety is in your package manager, you should just doyum install variety, I think.
>>52330822
thanks for the input, m8. ive noticed they've changed their site around to be more noob friendly, so kinda want to try now to get it on an old laptop.
>>52330709
What kind of crashes are you getting?
And I notice you've not tried debian.
I'd just stick with one distro, whatever you pick, and keep with that until you are familiar with the terminal - that knowledge transfers mostly between distros.
>>52330883
Yeah go for it, it's good fun and everything is well documented so it's just a case of sitting down and doing it, it's not really difficult at all. I use funtoo but either one is good.
>>52330822
Not him. I use Gentoo, and it is, in fact my first Linux system.
I kinda lack perspective on how good or bad Portage is because of that. Can you enlighten me on the matter? It's overall pretty comfortable to use it, but I'm not even sure what exactly does it have that other package managers don't.
>>52330930
It was pretty difficult for me, but then again, I'm >>52330950 and it was literally my first Linux.
>>52330592
>>52330630
>>52330637
>>52330663
>>52330694
RPM is not capable of resolving and fetching dependencies from remote repositories, it's a low level tool just like dpkg on debian-based distribution (and yes dpkg is not capable of resolving dependencies as well)
to install a local package alongside with it's dependencies you have to use yum (on older fedora versions) or DNF.
dosudo dnf install variety-0.5.5-1.fc23.noarch.rpm
>>52330950
I used xubuntu for a few months, then manjaro for a few more months and then went to funtoo. The install went smoothly first time and was quite simple. Apt was fucking awful, I liked using pacman but once I learned a bit of portage it blew my mind, it's just so powerful yet really easy to use. The - and -- options make sense and are easy to remember and it's simple to edit ebuilds, version bump, patch, mask/unmask. Maybe I am biased because it's what I know most but I wouldn't want to use anything else.
As far as installation goes the kernel is the hardest part in gentoo. Funtoo's install guide is more streamlined and comes with a kernel already built so you can get your system up and running and take your time building your own kernel inside a working system rather than making the install go on forever because you can't get the kernel working right.
>>52331076
>Apt was fucking awful
I bet that's because you used it when you were a noob and messed everything up. We (almost) all do at first.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Linux-Programming-Interface-Handbook/dp/1593272200
is this a good book for learning how to program for the linux OS?
New to using Linux, been using it as much as I can.
Only question I have is I see a lot of people make fun of Mint (which I selected mostly at random), is there anything wrong with it? Should I switch to another distro? etc..
>>52331102
Possibly but even now I look at it and think the commands are long winded, just far too much to type.
>>52331113
nothing's wrong with it except it's closely tied to ubuntu, and I don't like Canonical.
>>52331113
People rag on Mint because it is popular and user friendly. They don't feel special when anyone can use it well.
>>52331113
nope, it's mostly people who have nothing to do and want to foster a sense of elitism because they wasted a week of their installing an unnecessarily unstable distro of linux
>>52331113
If you are a beginner, and you like it, no. You can swithc to another distro if you like, but Mint is perfectly fine. It is what my parents use.
If you want to get a lot deeper, you might be interested in trying something somewhat more 'advanced', but basically everything you can do on Gentoo you can do on mint, too if you have the interest to learn how.
>>52331106
What are you looking to program?
>>52331076
Honestly, the problem wasn't even the kernel. Kernel was hard, but in, like, three days I fully read through all the options and configured them well enough for a first boot (afterwards I did have to change them a couple of times to get all the hardware working, though).
The problems was mostly that once I got into the system, since I had a dual-boot setup with Windows I got distracted with configuring every single minor problem I got from CLI *perfectly* before I even installed X.
However, as a result I got quite good at working with CLI right from the start, so it did turn out for the better, but I literally spent about three months of irregular tinkering before I installed X, and then another couple of months of irregular tinkering to fix everything else in the system, mostly using Windows for actual work in that time.
I use it daily now, though, and quite content with it too.
should sudo ask for the root password or the user's password?
>>52331130
Ah, I see.
>>52331134
Gotcha, seems like the language wars/caliber wars I see on g/k
>>52331141
https://xkcd.com/915/
always relevant haha
>>52331215
user passowrd
>>52331242
so all I need to uncomment in my sudoers file is
Defaults targetpw
ALL ALL=(ALL) ALL
?
>>52331184
I want to help develop device drivers mostly but I also want a thorough understanding how each part of the linux kernel fits together
>>52331271
Well, I am defeintly not a kernel developer, so take my advice with that in mind.
You probably want a working knowledge of C if you do not know it already. There are a number of books that talk about linux from that angle, because have not gotten into that area I am not sure which to recommend, but I can direct you to kernelnewbies.org, which probably has some of the stuff you are looking for.
They also have an IRC channel at irc.oftc.net#kernelnewbies.
>>52331397
He should also learn some assembly.
So I've installed recently installed Xubuntu, trying to get back into Linux (last time I used it was back when Mandrake was a think) and trying to rice it out a bit. How can I change the circled bit to have the same color background as the title bar?
>>52331271
We need more capture card drivers please. Also creative post-Audigy sound cards if you want a challenge.
Anything in particular you had in mind to write a driver for?
I can't change the WM Theme in Openbox :(
>>52331397
I already know C quite well and I've written hardware level code (serial usb stuff mostly). That website looks useful, cheers.
>>52331443
I am alright with programming assembly (only really done ARM though) bit it's tedious so I'm looking to avoid that if possible. I think it should be possible to avoid it, no?
>>52331485
Just a moment, I think I have something relevant in the userchrome.css on another computer.
also, DOM inspector is your friend.
What music player is this? What about software in other panes?
Pic related.
>>52331485
xfce4 settings → Appearance → Numix
>>52331500
>start config from terminal
>observe error output
>find solution
But I guess you won't be able to do that, since you're so dumb you had to post this exact same fuckery in multiple threads.
>>52331502
Yeah, should be mostly avoidable.
I only know Z80 and 6502 assembly, myself. Kind of strange since I'm only 19.
Why is the command line still used in 2016?
>>52331556
mpd + memecccp, alsamixer, htop and something colourful I have no idea what.
>>52331561
It doesn't change Palememes tabbar/navbar color for some reason.
>>52331585
it's useful to do many things.
>>52331556
>>52331589
It could also be mocp+alsamixer. Probably on tmux.
>>52331585
'cause its pretty darn useful.
>>52331579
>Z80 and 6502 assembly
where on earth did you find chips those old?
I find assembly to be quite easy because it's really just a way of thinking. Processors mostly all have the same basics ops anyway mov, arithmetic, JMP etc. and when you've got the hang of it it's basically just learning the new opcodes.
>>52331585
because a good 50% of GUI tools meant to do what the command line does usually suck many cocks
>>52330974
Thanks, so much, still I had some trouble but I solved it like this if someone wants to know.
Thank you all !
>>52331627
Windows and Mac can work without ever touching command line. Why does Linux rely on the command line?
>>52331654
Linux can work without ever touching the command line as well
>>52331646
>chips those old
I'd guess he's using an emulator of sorts. or has an old gameboy color (or something similar), those ran on a modified version of the Z80 I think
>>52331589
>>52331632
Thank you.
>>52331673
No you don't, you have to memorize 6 trillion commands to make it useful.
>>52331699
No, of course not silly.
Who told you that?
>>52331699
don't be stupid now
>>52331699
> you have to memorize 6 trillion commands
How new are you?
>>52331741
Wait, I learned these 6 trillion commands, for. . . nothing . . .?
>>52331561
>>52331512
Seems I had to tick the "Tabs on top" for the theme to apply. Thanks for pointing me unto DOM inspector though, looks useful.
>>52331485
Well, Seamonkey and firefox differ somewhat, but I have this in userchrome.css:.tabbrowser-strip {
moz-appearance: none !important;
background-color: #!important;
}
I know FF used to work like that, but things may have changed.
http://www.engadget.com/2016/01/06/teslasuit-haptic-vr/
>>52331570
Friendly, remember? lay off him.
>>52331585
because it's great for automation.
>>52331646
My commodore computers, my Game Boy (not a true Z80, but same syntax and has all the 8080 opcodes), my TI calculator, my NES, my Famicom.
>>52331654
>windows and mac don't need command line
>windows and mac
my mac runs debian. Therefore debian on my mac doesn't require command line.
>>52331674
they're real chips. also, Western Design Center still makes new CMOS 6502's and Zilog still makes new CMOS Z80's.
>>52332023
whoops, should readbackground-color : #3c3b37 !important;
>>52332074
I doubt they'll sell it in 3xl size to get anyone on 4chan interested
>>52330914
In Elementary only: Desktop flickers when moving Windows, touchpad is unresponsive at times, can't connect to an external monitor.
On the rest of -buntus: PC locks up for a few seconds and resumes. I tried some stress tests and the computer just blacks out and reboots. This can't be a hardware issue, I tried stress testing in Windows but there is no freezing or rebooting. On Ubuntu in particular, I can't install apps from the Ubuntu store because one I click install I have to wait like 2 minutes for it to give me the password confirmation and then I have to wait an eternity for it to install if at all. This is a very annoying issue because if I want to install an app (for example Chrome) that's not in the Ubuntu store it almost never installs.
>>52331649
you also will needsudo dnf install pygobject3
at least I did when I tried
then it will start and it took me fucking too long to find gnome3 tray
its in lover left corner, when you move mouse there an arrow will pop out and there you can find variety running on the background
After trying several desktop environments I found one that works for me. But now im interested in tiling window managers. Which is the most noob friendly?
Also what kind of other stuff should I use when I install one. Id need a panel, notification stuff, mediakey support, global search tool(for files and applications). Any help very much appreciated.
>>52332124
Some of us are not that big. But more to the point, what is the purpose of this url? Mereley throwing it out there seems a little silly, and from what I can tell it is not connected to the topic of this thread.
>>52332074
Elaborate or face my moderate and reserved wrath.
>>52332216
i3+dmenu/rofi and tint3? and dunst for notification?
>>52332238
i3
kupfer
compton
and nothing for notifications and no need for panel?
>>52332216
Not the same anon but.. how different are i3 and spectrwm?
>install samba
>literally have to run that piece of shit as root since you need to be able to modify files that belong to other users
>end up opening yourself to whatever vulnerabilities that clusterfuck software has when you want to act like a server
Explain yourself, Linuxfags.
>>52332258
hm yeah, I could do that. Actually tiling is not that important. I just want to try one of the desktops the cool kids are having nowadays. minus the anime. Maybe I should install openbox.
>>52332302
I dunno, I only tried i3
and its seriously trivial and easy to setup because all the settings are in a single comprehensible file
where you set your hotkeys, your starting applications, your "taskbar", your general system settings, ...
>>52332357
tilling can be turned off with
#workspace_layout tabbed
>>52332350
https://askubuntu.com/questions/24348/how-do-i-mount-samba-share-as-non-root-user
>>52332216
>>52332258
i3 or i3-gaps package?
>>52332385
>mount Samba share as non-root user
I'm talking about running the samba service on the server. You know, the thing that you don't want bad guys to get root access on.
>>52332350
First of all, samba is a reverse engineered implementation for *nix of proprietary SMB/CIFS networking protocol created and maintained by Currysoft.
This enough should give you an idea it will never work as the original thing because Microsoft didn't make it closed to let other people implement it in their own way.
Second, are you talking about samba client or samba server?
>>52332409
if you wanna take nice screenshots then gaps I guess
if no then just straight i3
but you can switch between the two in matter of 15 seconds, at least on arch I can...
Is it good practice to just allow any user to run sudo if they know the root password?
>>52332196
I'm trying bspwm right now after asking this same question like 2 days ago.
It's fairly easy to use. You have to learn some of the most basic keyboard shortcuts before diving in, but it's definitely not impossible to use. Keeping a (annotated) copy of sxhkdrc open is my biggest tip if you ever give bspwm a try.
Overall, I'm pretty happy with it.
As for panels and whatnot, it really depends. I had been using Openbox beforehand, so I was used to a sort of barebones setup. I did install a panel with tint2 (which I use with bspwm now). dmenu is useful as a launcher (with pretty much all lightweight WMs). I'd used conky before with Openbox, but given that tiling WMs use up all real estate, I stopped using it; I haven't been arsed to finding a substitute yet.
Shortcut keys can be setup pretty easily via sxhkd.
But overall, if you're used to a lot of usefulness and out-of-the-box support from a DE, you might be better off with them.
>>52332520
sudo is for if they know their own passwords and you trust them with root access. su is if they actually know the root password.
>>52332538
>>52332551
how would I ideally set up my sudoers file then?
>>52332520
it's never a good idea to allow extended priviledges to anyone.
fug
>>52332566
well, sometimes you have to download new stuff or change some settings. How would that work if not by granting extended privileges?
>>52332563
have wheel group in sudoers that can use sudo and all commands
add users to this group if they need to do sudo shit
>>52332563
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Sudo
>>52332216
>>52332258
>>52332375
>>52332446
>>52332531
Goddamn I love these threads.Thank you guys .Ill try i3,i3-gaps and then bspwm. I dont think Ill copy configs but try to create my own(for that reason I could never try awesome). Thanks again.
I've got these links that are pulled from a bash script I wrotehttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35263402/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35266706/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35269160/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35261635/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35261637/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35261968/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35261971/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35261970/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-35269135/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-35262873/
And I wan't to sort them by that number that appears on the end. I can't get sort to do it, so I'm asking for some advice.
>>52332609
ok here are some hints
- use win key as the main key, applications want alt sometimes, they never want win
- you can resize windows with winkey+rightmouseclick, even in full screen mode when two windows on same workspace
- most people use bindsym to bind key, and its fine, but you can use also bindcode and you are binding to physical key, rather than to representation of whats being pressed
- when you are executing something have --no-startup-id there, you will see this when you gogole and see others people configs, it prevents the application from locking mouse cursors in waiting annimation
- i3blocks is nice
>>52332350
>i am incapable of using chmod
>>52332579
make sure you have internet access while installing and choose to download the latest updates. if that doesnt help, go into your bios and set the boot mode to "bios" or "legacy" or something like that.
>>52332602
>>52332605
Neat! I think I'll just go with 'user host=(ALL) ALL' for now.
>>52332597
You can make package management accessible without root access available to the user you trust
>>52332597
I think anon might have ment everyone, not anyone. In either case, I would mean everyone.
>>52332579
Do not dispair, you probably can chroot into it and resolve the issues manually. You will reboot the install disc and go to a live environment, and then install grub to the target system that way.
>>52332711
>use red pen if you want red line
>Neat! I think I will use my own blood to draw the red line
>>52332723
>>52332732
>>52332741
well, since I'm the only one using my laptop I'm not sure it'll make a difference.
>>52332776
so dont ask questions that imply more than one user?
>Is it good practice to just allow any user to run sudo if they know the root password?
>>52332776
Then why are you asking if you were trying to run a machine with multiple users?
>>52332803
>good practice
that's the key right there.
>>52332679
Will keep that in mind. Im currently logged in with i3. Tiling is pretty comfy.I am actually looking forward reading the manpages and figuring out how set all this stuff up. but for now it works.
>>52332776
It is your choice, ultimatley. People here tend to be a little more security obsessed then you probably need to be. You are not running a server.
Odds are you could run everything all the time as root, and live without serious danger.
>>52332834
No, it's not.
>>52332837
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAq_Enj_d2Q
>>52332839
>Odds are you could run everything all the time as root, and live without serious danger.
manjaro user detected
>>52332732
>Do not dispair, you probably can chroot into it and resolve the issues manually. You will reboot the install disc and go to a live environment, and then install grub to the target system that way.
how do i go about doing this? Should i try installing the OS first or what?
Just did a fresh Mint 17.3 install. Now I have to remember how to get everything how I liked it.
>>52332840
he wants to get into 'good practice', it doesn't mean it has to be practical now.
on your own computer you can dochmod -R 777 /etcto let yourself do change /etc without root, that doesn't mean that it's good practice at all.
>>52332692
>a user just created a file!
>better log into my server to chown and chmod it because it's owned by the fucking samba user now
Daily reminder that sudo or su are security trap.
>>52332929
You're missing the point, good practice is not the same thing in a multi user environment as it is in a single user environment. Not asking an ambiguous or misleading question is the key here.
>>52332992
Sudo maybe. What's wrong with su?
>>52333050
If your user account is corrupted, you will corrupt your root account. The terminal could be hijacked.
>>52333077
uwotm8
>>52333077
then how do you plan to become root?
>hurr login directly!
>>52333122
You log as root. But not using a user account. You use a console but you emit the sysrq to kill everything on console before.
>>52333150
do you use slackware by any chance?
>>52333166
arch
>>52333189
haha explains everything
>>52333209
but you guessed the wrong distro!
>>52333230
either way, the result is the same
>>52332803
>>52332817
>>52332839
apologies for any confusing questions I asked. I was assuming that most people in here would be using Linux the same way I do, which apparently was not the case.
I'm trying to learn more about how to (properly) do things, so please continue to give me a slap in the face if I fuck up again.
>>52329087
Jesus christ... 1800 packages.... I just remebered one of the many reasons I love Arch.
>>52333314
yeah because downloading binaries is such a drag
>>52333314
>I just remebered one of the many reasons I love Arch.
Storage isn't expensive anon, even if you want your OS to run from an SSD.
>>52333342
Yea because I moved to linux because I love bloat. Why install things you don't need? I'm sitting with a fully functional system @600 packages.
How can I set the font urxvt in xresources? I didnt really understood it. I want cousine for powerline as my main font. Can anyone help?
Also urxvt is not starting anymore due to faulty xresources.
>>52333434
maybe he does need and use them?
>>52333464
Highly doubtful, I can almost gaurantee at least some of those packages have background processes that eat more than just storage.
>>52333499
you can't guarantee it at all. You don't know what he does with his computer and you don't know what tools he needs or what services he requires to be running.
>>52333443
nevermind found an article on the archwiki. But I still would like to know how to reset Xresources
>>52333499
There's no way you require all the dependencies you have to install for all your arch binaries, you still have bloat you don't need.
>>52333314
solid lel anon
>>52333545xrdb ~/.Xresources
>>52333557
>implying stepping in shit and swimming in it is the same thing :^)
>>52333557
Which is why Gentoo is the true solution to the problem.
USE flags!
>>52333579
>I'll just move the goal posts when I get called out
>>52333566
>urxvt
why do you like bloat?
>>52333591
Yeap
>>52333523
>>52333545
>>52333557
One thing you guys aren't considering is it's supposedly his first day on GNU/Linux meaning he is less experienced and more than likely doesn't know what packages he actually needs yet.
>>52333639
I don't care how many packages he had, I'm just pointing out that this other moron is a hypocrite.
>>52333591
I actually... agree. I would use Gentoo and indeed have before but compiling everything is a slight inconvenience.
>>52333668
just put PORTAGE_NICENESS to 19
or whatever it's actually called...
>>52333568
Ah thank it works from any terminal. Didnt know that.
>>52333685
Holy crap just read up on niceness, it seems like a pretty good solution. It doesn't change the fact that you have to compile everything but instead makes your system more usable in the process. Thanks anon TIL
>>52333660
While bloat is almost unavoidable on binary based distros a landfill amount of bloat isn't.
>>52333753
>Thanks anon TIL
Please go back to reddit.
>>52333753
yeah, when I found out, I thought the compile performance would be ass. I can't notice a difference in compile time.
>>52329157
yes
kde, xfce and lxde are just desktop environments that come bundled with Ubuntu.
My network card doesn't work with any drivers I've managed to find so I've been having to use a usb dongle to connect with Ethernet. Unfortunately arch doesn't like to always recognize it on startup, any help on persistent network settings in arch for corner cases?
>>52333787
That is entirely relative and really quite irrelevant.
Why is Ubuntu hated on/g/? Can't you just not use/delete the default amazon thing?
Also is it good in terms of being similar to windows (interface, etc)? I tried xubuntu only for a little bit and it felt kinda confusing/weird
>>52333788
Fuck did they trademark that one too? I wouldn't know I don't follow their kind.
>>52333788
>these anons are having a nice conversation
>not on my watch!
>>52333827
If you want a hug go to reddit
>>52333827
kek/zoz so tru
>>52333862
>>52333857
projection
>>52333873
>stop being nasty, we're having a nice discussion
>projection
Do you understand what these words actually mean?
>>52333820
The fact that canonical (The company responsable for Ubuntu) included it in the first place is contrary to the beliefs of many here. if you want the same ease as Ubuntu just step back and use what Ubuntu is based off of: Debian.
>>52333820
why delete the unwanted stuff when you can choose to not install it in the first place?
if xubuntu (xfce) felt weird to you, ubuntu (unity) will feel even weirder. for a windows-like experience you could try anything that comes with the cinnamon desktop environment, for example linux mint.
Well, this probably isn't very functional, but hey, babbys first rice.
>>52333820
Because unity as a DE is shit. Ubuntu flavors are palatable. Xubuntu is probably one of the best imo.
As another anon said if you just want a windowed environment like Windows, then mint I'd probably your best first step.
If you want to build and customize your UI experience then you should use more customizable DE options such as XFCE.
>>52333903
>>52333820
I can second Cinnamon I like its usability and relative lack of bloat. It also handles scaling fairly well as I have a UHD monitor(Wouldn't recommend)
>>52333970
Kek forgot image, I'm not a ricer pls no bully.
>>52333957
it counts for nothing if you dont show file manager
>muh bloat
Yeah because a fucking package merely existing on your harddrive slows the system.
Archniggers >>>/out/
>>52334073
>out
I went there and came back with this.
>>52334073
Beware, mods lurking in this thread.
Dont get banned.
Hey guys Im the one who asked about i3 before thanks for all the help. Anyone know how I can vertically tile in i3?
>>52334188
win+h or win+v i don't remember which one
>>52334073
Are you fucking trolling? The point of anti-bloat isn't to magically create speed where there was no more speed to be had, it's to have a slim system that is easy to maintain, and reduce the amount of packages that are completely unused. What is the point have keeping, and updating, packages that you literally have no use for? And what does Arch have to do with anything?
>>52334188
read the documentation, jesus christ.
>>52334197
Ah my mistake I meant to ask how I put 2 windows on the left and one on the right.
>>52334222
I am. Couldnt find it.
>>52334240
>>52334222
Specifically the section about containers.
we installing arch up in here
twitch com /economymedia
i press enter but nothing happens
>>52334222
>>52334294
kk.sorry i shouldnt ask when I havent properly read the manpage.
>>52334219
>it's to have a slim system that is easy to maintain,
How is a system with 2000 packages harder to maintain than a system with 1500 packages obviously assuming that storage space is not an issue?
>and reduce the amount of packages that are completely unused.
If you don't use a package then why are you concerned with maintaining it?
>And what does Arch have to do with anything?
Well, being completely anal about keeping the package count low to the point of unusability is a domain of archusers.
After all this is the sole reason behind the existence of this distro.
so a guy ITT mentioned notifications daemons in i3
I tried dunst and its fine, but something prettier might be out there, so I am trying xfce4-notifyd
but the fucker is giving me trouble
I seem unable to start it
when I check which files belong to the package in bin I get that there should be xfce4-notifyd
but when I actually check the content of the folder for it, theres nothing
it does not use systemd for starting, systemctl start did nothing...
any ideas?
Anyone know why grub can't find Arch? I followed the install guide and it detects all my OSs except for Arch.
It does spit out some errors including something about ufs, which is odd since I don't use ufs.
>>52333993
Nice background, but all *buntu are preschool tier linuxes.
>>52334432
>assuming that storage space isn't an issue
>assuming
No comment.
>If you don't use a package then why are you concerned with maintaining it?
Because if one of those unused packages causes an issue with a package I DO use, that creates unnecessary work that I, the non-user of such a package, have to work around. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with free disk space, man.
>Well, being completely anal about keeping the package count low to the point of unusability is a domain of archusers.
Another assumption. Do you also cry when people lust after a woman but you just don't "get it"?
ffmpeg is acting stupid and there are no new updates for it on my outdated OS so I guess I'll have to update the OS. I've never actually upgraded an OS, especially with a disc. How do I do it? Will I have to do anything extra about having KDE4 and Packman etc. enabled?
>>52334646
oh shit, no my bad, its that the folder should exist, not that there should be file in it
in bin theres only that config stuff it seems
>>52334693
You wat m8? Clearly Arch Linux, not *buntu
>>52334753
Arch is a very kindergarten linux desu
