Analytics is NOT spying. It's aggregated data. It isn't or is stripping away anything personal and keeping it simple. Not your filenames but your file extensions used. Not your content being shown in your program but the name of your web browser/version. Not your inputs but the time you spent on one program. This can all be very useful information and is anonymized into one big cluster. Anything unique is most likely thrown out.
Why does /g/ get so upset of Windows 10 telemetry?
>Microsoft does not care that a random Windows 10 user (let's call him George), used a particular app for 40 minutes yesterday, or that he installed an app and only used it once, or that he changed his default browser from Edge to Chrome yesterday.
>In fact, they are so not interested in George's individual activities that they anonymize the telemetry data returned by Windows 10 so that it cannot be used to personally identify him. You and I are similarly protected.
http://www.zdnet.com/article/revealed-the-crucial-detail-that-windows-10-privacy-critics-are-missing/
>>52307584
because Microsoft is the uncool bogeyman and great satan, buy Apple. It's cool hip and just werks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HroQsa36VwI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HroQsa36VwI
(use the youtube autotranslate captions if you don't speak german).
>>52307598
>so that it cannot be used to personally identify him.
then why do they collect your name and address?
pic is their official privacy statement which can be found on their website.
>>52307584
Correct. /g/ loves to get upset about everything that isn't Arch or Gentoo running on a YeeLoong or a ChinkPad.
its got a key logger built into windows 10
>not spy ware.
yea and im not going to fuck your ass just let me put the tip of my dick in there. just the tip
>>52307639
They only have your name and address if you give it to them as part of a credit card or other registration such as buying Office 365 or OneDrive. My name and address isn't on my computer at all so MS would have to go to pretty extreme lengths to find it out.
>>52307639
If you give them that data.
Jokes on you, if you want MS drilling your ass go ahead, I'll be enjoying arch on coreboot
>>52307584
>Windows 10 telemetry
- Snowden revealed that NSA uses Windows crash reports to hack into Windows computers.
- I have *never* allowed Cortana to run. Still, the Cortana process is up and running in the background.
- I disabled the indexing of the content of .txt, .rtf. and .docx files. A few weeks later, big auto update. Indexing of the content of .txt files is back on.
The other day, I worked to get deep into a "forbidden" system folder that looked suspicious (owning subfolders one by one), and find an ~ sms.intercept.db file (!). Is "intercept" a legit word "receive(d) sms", or do they hide this files and folders because that's where they store everything the US government told them to store? (I have never allowed sms sending or receiving, still, the .db file is pretty big)
I wish there was a simple button to switch back to Seven.
>>52307584
m8... stop posting on the internet
>>52307943
It's time to move to GNU/Linux and embrace systemd.
>>52307943
>I wish there was a simple button to switch back to Seven.
But there is, mate. Rollback option in control panel, forgot the exact location, I used it for my mom laptop to 7, since everything was running abyssal slow after changing to W10. Plus, she disliked almost everything about it.
>>52307584
>Analytics is NOT spying.
Get outta here Microsoft.
>>52308039
Well spying is something done in secret, this isn't a secret so it is just data collecting.
>>52307584
So, taking screenshots of your desktop every N minutes is NOT spying? You're telling me absolutely need this data?
Bull
Shit
>>52307598
I wonder how much Microsoft have to pay for an article like that? Probably pocket change to them I suppose.
I love their cute smilies.
Kind of OT (apparently they can hack into almost everything), but I just finished watching Citizenfour.
>>52307966
I'm slowly switching. For now, Buntu finds it hard to handle my LAN with a shared internet connection, and my frequent switching from Wifi to ETH connection. Lots of work, each time, to solve small issues. Windows does it transparently...
>>52308023
Good tip, thx. I had read somewhere that it was limited to a few months, but it's still there.
>>52308049
that's not much better considering most users do not have informed consent
>>52308049
Everyone on /g/ knows about it, but I'd still say a lot of people dont.
>>52308067
Is there any proof it does this or is this some bullshit somebody made up and was never actually proven?
>>52308082
It's been proven.
Or course you can disable it, but the fact that's it's enabled by default..and considering your average user would have no idea it's occurring in the first place..yeah
http://a.pomf.cat/vzdhbj.webm
>>52308039
There are 3 telemetry choices, which, translated in English, must sound like "basic, optimal, and complete". I ticked basic. It's reassuring, but maybe I'm stupid.
I heard that some version of Windows (I use 10 Pro) have a "none" options, I don't have it.
>>52308069
Is there any data on corporate adoption of Windows 10? I heard that they pretty much skipped Vista.
>>52308072
>le no ssl faec
> Smartphones use SIM cards and Mobile Data
> Busses require you to register your ride to monitor your movement
> Your Personal Computer data is monitored
Why is Big Brother so cruel towards common consumers?
>>52308129
gotta protect the children and stop terrorism ;^)
>>52308102
Not Pro, Enterprise, but I doubt even turning it off really "turns it off".
>>52308101
How did that Russian dude get a full screenshot from a 1Kb file?
spybot anti beacon is a thing
>>52308160
didn't look like a full res screenshot, and it was probably low quality. do you want me to take a 1kb screenshot?
>>52308101
>Or course you can disable it
(not him)
Yeah, but one problem is that 10 tends to "forget" privacy settings during big updates. They were busted in November, so they implemented an option to remember privacy settings despite updates.
But I still found memory lapses, like I said above, I unchecked the indexing of the content of text files, after a big update, the indexing was back on!
>>52308199
yeah why not, be interested to see just what 1Kb can save
>>52307943
No one knows what's going on and probably won't until its too late. I lost track of what all those files were doing back in NT 3.51 and there would be no single person even at MS that could tell you today what is going on. The corporate model is hierarchical and compartmentalized control, gag orders. This is why fascism is dangerous.
>>52308129
Time will tell, if people think a mac or windows is bad they are not even paying attention to "smart" phones. With default settings they are tracking everything. Half of the victims are children. Spooky world.
>>52307584
Most major search engines and some applications/games have been "data-mining" shit since 2000s.
It is all about ad revenue and market crap.
Wonder why ads are commonplace and seem to tailored to your search patterns? Not a coincidence.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35251484
Seems of interest to this post
>>52308224
>not even paying attention to "smart" phones
Yes, smartphones seem to be so good as honeypots / cash-machines that most apps developers don't even seem to care about making a desktop version.
>>52308303
>>52307584
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/windows-10-users-banned-from-torrenting-by-piracy-sites-because-of-worries-that-microsoft-spies-on-10468903.html
>>52307672
>key logger
>being this stupid
>>52307639
>their official privacy statement
What bothers me with the big players' recent privacy statements, is how they don't even seem to try anymore. They've adopted a "fuck you" attitude : "we collect your name, address, sell it to third parties, we track your IP, habits..."
These statements used to try at least to sound reassuring.
I'm sure they actually sound worse than they should.
>>52308293
>It is possible to increase the privacy controls in Windows 10 by setting the feedback option to Basic, so that activity data is not sent to Microsoft - bar error reports.
Maybe.
But for the photo app for example, now that I unticked "allow running in the background", it keeps crashing. Anyway, I'm used to Irfanview.
>>52308440
check out nomacs, i prefer it over irfanview
>>52307584
>stores your WLAN password to server
>some random guy walks with his windows phone next to your WLAN hotspot
>"do you want to connect?"
ITT: paranoid pedos
>>52308023
that's because you didn't do a clean install
>>52308076
It's in the EULA, ffs
>>52308055
optimize that shit
>>52307584
...and they wonder why so many people went to 4+4chan. Jesus, you shills are faggots.
>>52308490
>Hotspots
>Passwords
Do you even secure your shit anon?
>network password+login/MAC
whitelisting master race
>>52308490
that's not how it works
fuck off
You know how many people there are on the internet? No one (no one who's human) cares what dumbass_user11122123415353 does on the computer in his free time unless he's using it to hurt someone else
>>52308749
What if I do intend to hurt someone? I think I should still be only investigated using traditional means, without my rights infringed. If you infringe my rights, you justify my acts thereby making it a non-crime.
>>52308023
>Rollback option in control panel
"w-why are you rolling back?
> - my apps / devices don't work
> - previous version was handier / easier
> - previous was faster
> - previous was more reliable
> - other
>>52308749
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/26/nsa-porn-muslims_n_4346128.html
>preaches jihad
>talks dirty to young girls
>>52307584
how many microsoft is paying you to troll g/ ?
>>52308199
you gonna make a screenshot then?
>>52307584
Ceiling ms is aggregating data of you masturbating.
>>52307943
>- Snowden revealed that NSA uses Windows crash reports to hack into Windows computers.
>Windows crash reports to hack into Windows
thats sound more retarded than it actually is, i cant imagine how stupid you must be
Would you allow an NSA agent in your home, but if he promises to anonymise the data he collects?
The answer is not no.
The answer is not yes.
The answer is simple: fuck off.
I have right. I get to choose. So you can fuck off whether it's anonymized or not.
>>52309370
Snowden was described as the genius of geniuses.
You're just not in the same league.
>>52309437
just think how stupid it is, if windows does not crash does it mean nsa has no access to pc?
>>52307584
0/10
>>52309461
If vlc crashes, for example, windows sends a crash report.
I read this today, wish I could quote what he said exactly.
>>52308493
Strawman fallacy: the post
>>52309461
and I'm not sure what you mean.
of course the bits of data they intercept from crash reports are not their only strategy when they want to hack someone.
>software is proprietary
>people take statements about the software from the company which develops it seriously
Reveal the source code or I will never ever believe anything that is said about it. It is my duty to assume the worst case scenario until the source is released at which I can audit it myself, and recompile.
>>52309461
found sauce,
>Finding machines that are exploitable and worth attacking is done using analytic databases such as XKeyscore.[18] A specific method of finding vulnerable machines is interception of Windows Error Reporting traffic, which is logged into XKeyscore.[19]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tailored_Access_Operations
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/the-nsa-uses-powerful-toolbox-in-effort-to-spy-on-global-networks-a-940969-2.html
>>52310010
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Error_Reporting
>>52308392
What I noticed was the "we have third party partners - we share your info with them" crap in everything. Since they don't name them, you can't check those privacy statements, not that anyone would have the time or energy. The only defense is just assume everything you do on the internet, any dealings you have with a corporation is now logged and collated forever - for some future Inquisitors use. We've been here before, the dark ages, creativity dies, paranoia rises and then the lights go out for 1000 years or more.
>>52307584
They also collect your IP address and your IMEI number (if you have a SIM).
>>52308102
Basic still collects a decent amount. Just don't use 10, there's no point really.
>>52308151
No, not even Enterprise lets you completely turn it off.
>>52307584
>Anything unique is most likely thrown out.
>most likely
Okay, let's increase that "most likely" even higher. Let's have an option where it doesn't collect the data in the first place.
Oh wait, we're not allowed to control the OS.
>>52309067
Are you kidding me? Why would MS pay money to bring up the fact that they watch what you do?
>>52309525
Why are people still comparing Web searches, using one search engine, with an entire operating system?
>>52308440
>>It is possible to increase the privacy controls in Windows 10 by setting the feedback option to Basic, so that activity data is not sent to Microsoft - bar error reports.
It's not just error reports.
Security level is the lowest setting on Enterprise.
Security+Basic is the lowest setting on Pro.
>>52310196
pic related
>>52307672
They took that out.
>>52307584
>>52307598
>They dont care about you!
>they dont want jour data
Just like facebook, right? How can you be so naive?
can't you just understand THAT I DON"T WANT IT
I BUY SOFTWARE AND I CHOSE TO CHANGE SOMETHING IN IT
AND I CAN"T
SIMPLE AS THAT, THAT"S WHY I AM USING LINUX
Becouse it's respect me as human being, and tell me to whathever the fuck you wanna do, including updating or not, having some inserucity or having paranoic like.
it's just free, you can't force people to your solutions
Have you seen the cool new a... I mean, "suggestions"?
>>52307658
/thread
>>52307584
TAKE THE POO TO THE LOO, PARJEET
deleted the thread for courtesy
Analytics and telemetry should be optional and disabled by default.
>>52310312
wtf? did you set your lockscreen background to Inside Out and then all that stuff suddenly appeared?
>>52310087
Enterprise requires: disabling Defender, Cortana, and Telemetry in Group Policy, and edit the separate registry entry for telemetry.
Or use a hosts file to deny any resolution of MS's servers.
>>52310214
>They took that out.
Can you prove it?
>>52307584
If that data was not so important for M$ they would allow you to disable it, but they don't. Hard to believe that is only "Analytics" what they're collecting. Now back to your designated street, Rajeesh Kumar.
>>52310214
No they didn't. It's specifically mentioned in the settings for Cortana, that "things you type" will be used for Cortana. ie. you're being keylogged, even if you disable it. (Go ahead, turn Cortana off, you'll see a message that informs you that the data will be collected anyway, but Cortana will no longer use it)
>>52307584
inb4
it's funny that you ni/g/gers neet to explicitly be told this
>>52307681
>My name and address isn't on my computer at all so MS would have to go to pretty extreme lengths to find it out.
Like being a business partner with your ISP or telco provider?
They already know your name and address, m8.
>>52307584
epic nise
gonna uninstall my win10 and use microsoft bros crack in a few weeks desu
>>52312965
Well if that's true they also know yours and every other non-windows users address and phone number.
>>52307584
Just annalists and aggregate data you say? Even if true it would still be a problem, but it is not:
http://thehackernews.com/2015/12/windows-encryption-key-backup.html
>Analytics is NOT spying.
Irrelevant, none of the "data" they're collecting is of any particular real-world use to them. They never had a reason to collect that shit in the past with Windows, they don't have a legitimate reason to do it now.
Fuck you and everybody that looks like you.
