>>52300557
You cannot do it without giving false information
Let him spend his money however he wants, it's his money.
Also, if you're being serious, maybe you should stop being poor.
>b-b-but you dont need all that speed!
>s-s-ssds are a waste of money
hey you hear that?
that's the sound of your spinning rust drives slowly dying
CLIIICK CLIIICK CLIIICK CLIIICKCLIIICK
>>52300557
tell him the truth
By lying, a lot.
Your friends can smell your fear.
But they are worth the money. Their price has fallen down a lot in recent years, they are much faster and are far more resistant to damage if you drop your laptop. They are worth it for the speed boost by itself, the OS is way more responsive.
>>52300577
>>52300634
This.
You should get a job, OP. Then you will know a joy of owning an SSD.
>SSDs are not good for servers
>If you buy an SSD now, that same size SSD will cost half as much in 2 years
Literally the only two arguments I can think of.
>>52300635
This.
Even when they do start slowing down, it'll still be a long fucking time before it's anywhere near as slow as a mechanical drive. By the time it's even a concern, it'll be time to build or buy a new computer anyway so it's a non issue unless you're an autistic neckbeard that clings to your hardware for 10+ years at a time.
>>52300597
Enjoy buying 3 new SSDs while I'm still using that rusty HDD
![snapshot_22.59_[2015.12.23_23.18.29].png](https://i.imgur.com/4xHu3jt.jpg "snapshot_22.59_[2015.12.23_23.18.29].png")
saged and reported for redddditor raid
>>52300688
>if you buy an X now, the same X will cost half as much in 2 years
>>52300703
I will greatly enjoy my 3 SSDs in RAID0 while you tugboat along with some dying HDD
>>52300739
Then why aren't modern hard drives worth less than a dollar? Oh, it's because you're using a false equivalence
>>52300739
A lot of things don't follow that rule. HDDs, CPUs, audio equipment, cars, houses...shit, what even does follow that rule except SSDs?
>>52300774
>I will greatly enjoy my 3 SSDs in RAID0 while you tugboat along with some dying HDD
>cutting your SSDs already short lifespan by 66%
Looks like I found the village idiot of this thread
>>52301207
>SSD
>short lifetime
looks like we found the ignorant idiot.
>>52301207
Putting a disk in raid doesn't automatically kill it when just one of them goes bad, you fucking dumbass.
One broken disk in a three disk RAID 0 array means you get to replace one broken disk and lose all your data because your dumb ass striped it without mirroring it.
>>52300688
>SSDs are not good for servers
Have two front-end storage servers at work desu.
Filled with PCIe SSDs, they front our massive file server cluster as a mirrored, highly-available cache.
Its amazing. Fucking disgusting speeds.
>>52300688
>SSDs are not good for servers
I have 8 Dell R610's that would disagree with you, as well as a VNX 5400...
>>52301207
>cutting your SSDs already short lifespan by 66%
>Looks like I found the village idiot of this thread
You should go back on your meds...
>>52301463
>>52301297
>>52301242
>posting as 3 different people
A village idiot is still an idiot, no matter how many masks he uses.
>>52301542
Me, Myself, and I, but that's neither here nor there.
No, I'm not samefagging. You have three different people telling you you're wrong. But if you'd care to cite some sources. I mean, I have years of data behind me still telling me you're wrong, but give it a shot anon, you can do it, or something...
>>52300688
They're actually starting to get more popular in data centers. They generate less electricity, and less heat, which means less electricity gobbling air conditioners.
>>52300688
the time saved by using ssd will gives you more money than the cost decrease of it
>>52301542
You're the village idiot doe.
>>52301626
>generate less electricity
>>52301684
>>52300557
Stop being a shitty friend and spouting /g/ memes.
SSD's >>>> HDD
>>52300905
Media, such as video games and movies.
FKOD IDBR NAKSICAKY DREE if you wait 2 years, due to spoiling.
Some other electronics, such as graphics cards.
Game consoles.
>>52301542
I'm none of those people and hey, you're retarded.
>>52300703
You are a fucking moron and penny pincher or just poor or ignorant
ever since i got my SSD ive been so happy although my computer has blue screened once this thing is beautiful and i love it
>>52300557
I want a terabyte or larger drive but I think I'll wait until the price gets closer to $100.
>>52300688
What are you talking about?
Fuck even in a home server situation with flashcache it boosted my read/write speeds from 150MB/s to 300MB/s.
If you have the money, get one.
If you don't have the money, don't get one.
>>52301297
You know nothing about raid do you... Well youre going to lean today
>Raid 0 is stripping WITHOUT mirror or parody.
>raid 1 is only mirror
>raid 10 is stripping with mirror and requires AT LEAST 4 disk, 2 to strip across and 2 for the mirror
>raid 5 is parody bit
>raid 50 is striping with parody and needs at least 3 disks.
Source? Fuck you
I set these up daily
>>52302704
So, you're saying that putting drives in a RAID shortens their life span?
>OP on suicide watch
>>52302704
>parody
>>52302704
*parity
>>52300688
>>SSDs are not good for servers
>>52300557
best argument I could think of is, once you buy a SSD you can never go back to the slow speeds, and noisy operation of HDD ever again., so you're gonna have to spend a bit more cash to never use a horrible HDD ever again.
If he's on a ridiculously tight budget, and absolutely must have more storage than he can afford by building a machine with SSD.
I've used them for years - none of them have failed yet or been anything other than awesome. Fast, quiet, cool, low power usage - eventually HDDs will go the way of the floppy drive, and will be compared to their replacement in a similar fashion.
>>52302738
We put drives in a raid for throughput and redundancy, why have a drive that's going to die if you're not going to have a mirrored one? And why have a SSD for speed if you're not going to double its throughput with another one and raid 0.
>>52302763
I don't need to know how to spell when I'm pulling 90k a year. Bitch
>>52302942
> We put drives in a raid for throughput and redundancy, why have a drive that's going to die if you're not going to have a mirrored one?
VM / SQL benchmarking is the first thing that comes to mind
> And why have a SSD for speed if you're not going to double its throughput with another one and raid 0.
What is Tiered Storage, for $800, Alex?
Protip - Throughput also increases in RAID 1/5/6/10/50/60 (And RAID 3, but nobody uses RAID 3 anymore)
>I don't need to know how to spell when I'm pulling 90k a year. Bitch
How cute. But given that I manage exabytes of storage around the world, your argument is invalid. Most of what is manage is primarily 3par and EMC (Fuck EMC, and FLARE, btw).
Not to mention the servers with local storage (Mostly Exchange 2013 / 2016)
>>52303017
Holyshit about %80 of that crap you just spat is wrong. I can't even deal
>>52303052
So what you're really saying is that you don't know what you're talking about.
Got it.
>>52303017
I was talking about throughput of a fucken peace of hardware VMs and SQL benchmarks could have their bottleneck almost anywhere not even going to go into differentiating disks across 6 SSD (yes I've done this before for funsies)
RAID 1? INCREASES THROUGHPUT? Microsoft azure litterly has an entire server rack dedicated to the processes of raid 1 because they lose so much throughput (alot of users) on the simple fact you're now writing one peace of data to two separate drive.
Are you 19? Fresh out of highschool for a year? Already with a+, mcsa and Cisco? Ontop of doing this in a year on my own time I finished a national diploma in networking and sever admin. I'm bairly out of my teenage years and already managing billion dollars of infrastructure across my country. I know what I'm talking about.
>>52303052
You know, instead of looking like a moron trying to make him look bad, you could point out where he's wrong and prove it.
I like my SSD, it's fast.
>>52303166
I just did, but thank for the tip
>>52303138
>>52303138
>Microsoft azure litterly has an entire server rack dedicated to the processes of raid 1
Having first hand experience with the Azure hardware SKU's, I'll play along
1 rack, eh? For the some 500,000 servers? Yeah, I didn't think so.
And yes, a RAID 1 does increase overall sequential throughput by about 15%, random by about 35% and reduces disk latency by ~50%.
I was talking about throughput of a fucken peace of hardware VMs and SQL benchmarks could have their bottleneck almost anywhere not even going to go into differentiating disks across 6 SSD (yes I've done this before for funsies)
The bottleneck is IOPS, It's always IOPS. At enterprise scale, you're never CPU bound. You're always, ALWAYS waiting on disk.
You're not making any sense. But you've alluded to who you might be, so if I'm right, I will leave you with this...
Go back on your meds. You're tirade today on the company portal was frankly fucking embarrassing. I'm surprised you didn't get escorted out of the building.
Who does need the SSD ?
Who does need processors other then AMD's ?
Nobody!
>>52300873
Im pretty sure that HDD sizes that were popular two years ago are much cheaper now
I would take 8tb hdd over 1tb ssd any day :^)
>>52300693
>10 years.
Name me a rig or laptop that can last 10 years of watching animu DVDs everyday , anon. 'Cause I want one.
>>52300557
I'm starting to think that everyone posting the ssd meme are just shills paid by intel and amd to give false informations and make people buy new computers just to browse facebook when they could just install an ssd into a 10 years old pc and have the same snappiness as a computer built today
>>52305556
If you're really watching DVDs, then most.
Even my 13 year old laptop still runs DVDs. I just have to use a USB drive for the OS.
>>52302704
That's literally what he said, you fucking inbred.
The original point was that RAID0 decreases the life span of SSD's by 66% , which is retarded bullshit.
>>52303017
>>52303138
>>52303215
>peace of hardware
>peace
>peace
Are you really arguing with yourself to make yourself sound smart on an anonymous imageboard?
RAID1 only improves read speed, compared to single disk configuration. Random a bit faster than sequential, that's it. As such throughput in total is in fact a bit higher than single disk configuration, but all of the additional performance is in read only.
>>52302704
The only 'parody' here is you ya fuckin clown
>>52306474
>The original point was that RAID0 decreases the life span of SSD's by 66%
Well it does if you're using software raid and can't use ahci with it, though 66% is just a made up number
>>52302704
>parody bit
my sides
>>52300557
They fucking are though.
>>52300905
>HDDs
HDDs are piss cheap now compared to a few years ago.
>>52300905
>HDDs
This website is for people over the age 18, you should probably turn the computer off and tell mommy you were naughty.
>>52300693
>unless you're an autistic neckbeard that clings to your hardware for 10+ years at a time.
>tfw I've had my Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD3, i5 750 and RAM for 6 years, my 250 GB HDD for 9 years and my 500GB HDD for 8 years
you don't
>>52300703
>le sdd have short life expectancy meme
>the ssd in my c2d shitbox I bought in 2012 works fine
>>52307313
The meme started becuase a few idiots purchased meme SSDs (OCZ).
Notice how all the Vertex2's are gone but there were a shitload of builds with them a few years ago...
People who were not stupid got real SSDs, like Intel or Samsung.
>>52307525
I'm still using a vertex2
>>52300557
How do you kill yourself?
>>52307525
Old and rusty Crucial M4 SSD from 2011 reporting in, still ~400MB/sec read speeds.
>>52307525
I've still got my vertex 2, it just dies and comes back alive whenever it feels like it.
Don't even know why it's still plugged in, there is nothing on it since I'm booting from (like you said) a Samsung now.
>>52307525
Still got a OCZ vertex 3 that works fine.
>>52306969
>having any hdd for that long
>lying to look cool on the internet
Please convince how something smaller, quieter and faster with no moving parts isn't worth the money? Protip....you can't. SSD prices are dropping at an alarming rate, I picked up a 1TB SSD right before xmas for under $175 at a fucking overpriced bestbuy.
>>52307525
>Notice how all the Vertex2's are gone
My Vertex 2 still works fine, it's in my HTPC now. I upgraded because I wanted more capacity and speed.
>>52302704
>parody
I want my sides back anon
>>52307728
this
>2.5 inch
>massive performance gain over hdds
>silent
>more physically durable
>life span is on par with hdds at this point
>getting more and more cost effective
There's no excuse to not at least booting off of an SSD at this point
>>52307648
My system drive is from 2009 and I have an extra drive in there (which I don't really need nor use) that dates back at least to 2004.
Why does it even fucking matter?
I have an HDD in my laptop but I only use it for school work so I don't care about how fast it boots up. I have two SSDs and a HDD in my tower because it's for gaming and video editing.
If your friend wants to get an SSD fuck off and let him.
>>52308273
poorfag's gonna poor.
Why not just use a hard drive and ssd in one build?
>>52308243
You left out "more power efficient"
Way more when you have a pile of drives all spinning up at the same time
>>52300557
HDD lasts 246 years until failing
SDD last 2 years until failing
