Im starting my own ISP this month. How fucked am I?
>>52185870
>Im starting my own ISP this month
What location, who are you buying from, wired or wireless?
>>52185893
Shit Teir Rural Ireland, Backhaul from Virgin Media, Wired to Home with Wireless longdistance backhaul
>>52185908
What kind of capital does it take for you to do this?
>>52185916
I've got around 2,000 in investments, I estimate that will set me up for my first year and around 30-50 customers.
>>52185908
>Not in USA
Ok, good start.
>Backhaul
Ok company
>Wired
I hope you have a good plan. I don't know ireland but I know unions can be a real bitch.
Are you going to offer other services like trunk lines or just internet?
>>52185954
Ireland is so backwards that I can dig up the pavement with a tenner to the parish priest. I want to run fiber everywhere and maximise the backhaul. I want to offer everything I can, honestly, but at the start just Internet.
>>52185870
I wish I could provide my own internet service. Fuck providers.
>>52185972
and you can save a bundle on electricity by powering your whole infrastructure with potato batteries
>>52185870
Fascinating. It sounds so straightforward
>>52185990
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaH9DHLqaeg
>>52185972
>I want to run fiber everywhere and maximise the backhaul.
If you haven't found someone who knows fiber rollout start looking ASAP. That stuff is a lot more complicated and dangerous then copper.
Besides that it sounds like you will be fine.
>>52185992
>inb4 blight jokes
>>52185929
How... how do i do this? I'm in the bay area and I would invest 2k just to get off comcast but stay broadband. I know plenty would join me.
>>52186022
I'll try, finding anyone who knows jack shit here is difficult.
But thanks for the kind words.
>>52186048
Find a business thats doing well but completely NON tech related, like import export. Do their tech stuff and slide in your business preposition to the boss when you form a good relation ship and go to his house twice to take footage off his busted ass DVR because someone stole his Ferrari.
Oh I forgot to mention i'm 18.
>>52186048
You can't because monopolies. I'v wanted to do this in the US as well but your only option is to buy and resell service from Comcast or AT&T. And they want a lot more then just 2k for the privilege of doing so.
>>52186073
wut
>>52186048
see
>>52186017
you literally can't in the US.
>>52186090
How 2 make pirate ISP?
Mesh net proxy gambits leeching on public wifi and serving it to me and my friends
Is it possible?
>>52186098
Sorry, went off topic there.
>>52185929
>around 2,000 in investments
Shit, I could scrounge up more than that without bugging people to invest.
>>52186125
>I'm barely 18.
>>52186129
Actually I'm 25.
I used to be a technician for AT&T, actually.
>>52186135
>Shitty Ireland has no jobs.
>>52186119
http://samy.pl/proxygambit/
>>52186119
1. Shady AF.
2. Unstable AF.
3. How are you going to get service to your clients? Not by land line, and you would have to deploy wireless repeaters throughout the entire city.
>>52185929
>$2000 starting capital
I don't even think you'll make it past a few months. Unless you're a sole proprietorship, you're gonna be sucked dry by inital startup costs.
Or are all your startup costs taken care of? I'm genuinely curious what the operating costs are like per month for like 20 customers
>>52186168
I just want a meshnet that connects to the internet where possible and repeats the web connections to all nodes, even if it's relatively slow.
>>52186248
But it could also run it's own DAPPS without the internet for when the web goes down.
>>52186248
I mean... it's do able. But I can't see it being worth the effort. If you are setting up nodes id make them all a LAN behind a NAT and have that NAT connected to public wifi. But why? It seems like a lot of work for worse quality internet.
>>52186048
Where in the Bay Area are you? I thought SonicNet was dominating down there. More Competitors on the way too, just look at WaveG.
>>52186226
>sole proprietorship
Yep just me bud.
>startup costs taken care of?
Two Powerbeams already in the bag. Land lease done. Metal for mast in my yard. Ethernet cable done. Switch done. Power done. Connectivity at the other side done.
>20 customers
20*40 Euros/Month each = 800/month.
Cost of equipment = 600
Cost of Internet on other side for 20 = 90/Month
Cost of my labour at the moment = 0
Profit??? = 110 first month. Plus free Internet.
>>52186248
This has already been done and is thriving. See hyperboria. Basically a layer 3 reimplementation (replaces TCP/IP) that can run off both the old internet (via ipv6 tunneling) and direct connections (Bluetooth, wifi, ethernet).
>>52185870
residential or commercial?
If residential just stop now before spending any money
>>52186363
Residential in a area where no telephone line runes and where the only internet available is mobile data.
>>52186330
>Powerbeams
Good luck keeping them dry in Ireland.
>>52186378
depending on what you charge and how many clients you sign you may be in for a ride or may just have some nice side cash.
wish you all the best
>>52186394
Is that a known issue? Side note its pissing down right now.
Good luck getting anyone to sign up to your service when they're all in rolling contracts with ISPs they're already happy with.
>>52186426
Please read the replies
>>52186378
>Mobile Data
>No Contract
>>52186410
If water gets on the ethernet, it will short out and lose configs. It's fixable 90% of the time. Every now and then though, it'll just shit and not work anymore.
>>52186459
Oh yeah, because of POE. I used this trick to reset a friends Nanostation M5 because his ISP changed the login creds.
I only have one link, should I just ducktape the fuck out of it?
>>52186476
Really, it's not the end that goes into the Powerbeam that usually gets wet. It's almost always the one facing the POE. Just make sure you water proof everything. When in doubt, use shitloads of RTV silicon.
>>52186523
And then silicone spray the shit out of it.
Would expanding foam be out of the question?
>>52186523
Oh but my stuff will be enclosed in a cabinet, with drip loop etc. I will still silicone the hell out of that thing.
802.11ah is coming out this year i think. sub ghz, put that on a high gain directional antenna. bet you could get some serious distance out of that.
>>52186546
I don't mind foam, I just find it harder to deal with after it's dried and hardened. Peeling back silicon seems easier. Also, I'm curious on how well powerbeams work in comparison to nanobeams. We have a nanobeam shooting 3/4 of a mile and it consistantly reports 94/94.
>>52186591
I have a nanostation m5 right now for my own network at home. Running aprox 14KM and its great. Stable latency below 10ms and speeds around 100mb/s.
What sort of plans will you be able to offer OP?
Speeds, bandwidth etc?
Sounds like a very cool little project. Best of luck.
>>52186612
Are you in an area that's very saturated? The one I'm referring to is sitting in south lake union of Seattle, where Amazon HQ is.
>>52186637
One plan. 10 M/s up 1 M/s down. Guaranteed.
Thats the residential stuff, but I can technically offer whatever speed my backbone can take for whatever it costs me.
>>52186640
North West of Ireland.
>>52186650
Timeframe?
>>52186650
24/7. No aggregation, No contention ratio.
>>52186657
Sorry for being American, but population density? Are there people there or just sheep? Do the sheep have cellphones? Is there WiFi?
>>52186688
Ugh ok so its....160K people in 4K miles squared.
Where I am setting up the local town has about 190 people there. The biggest city here has 19K
>>52186048
lol idiot
>>52186688
Oh and, no telephone lines therefore no Internet. Just mobile WiFi and satellite.
>>52186722
Make sure you have plenty of bandwidth, Once these farmers find the porn its gonna get very busy.
>>52186760
Bandwidth caps for everyone!
You get a cap! You get a cap! Everyone gets a Cap!
Do have a name for your company?
>>52186800
Yes
>>52186850
So you are not going to let us here name it for you?
What is the general process you need to follow in order to start an ISP? I guess I never thought about this before
Don't you need to own the infrastructure in order to let people use it?
>>52186857
Fuck ok, dubs names the packages.
>>52186889
The dubs package.
>>52186898
Off by one.
>>52186780
The Cumcast experience!
Also roll for package name
>>52186900
Welp.
>>52186900
Fuck. Ok next dubs for business package.
>>52186916
Probably more stable than the competitor's package
>>52186928
Im rerolling because thats a god teir name.
>>52185870
Ubiquiti. Fucking great choice allo from NYC meshnet :)
>>52186916
"G-Tard Business"
>>52186944
FUCK
>>52186944
Got it :)
>>52186650
1MB or 1Mb down?
>>52186979
I fucked that up. To clarify, 10 Mbit down and 1 Mbit up. But the main advantage is stability,
>>52186900
Seems more than enough for residential use/ for a normal family.
5Mb down and 1Mb up is even enough for one.
Wish you the best OP.
>>52187024
Thanks man
>>52186650
>10 up 1 down u wot m8
I hope u mean the otherway
>>52187024
Was for
>>52186995
>>52186995
I wish i had 10 down 1 up
:(
>>52186090
Maybe if you went straight to one of the backbone companies. Would take a lot more capital to start up since you'd need to install repeaters from the datacenter out to your customers. In theory could be done.
>>52187063
someone please turn this into a gay joke
>>52187340
Sure!
>>>/b/
>>52185870
This sounds great. I'm so proud of you, OP. As long as you don't introduce data caps or similar shady shit like other ISPs do, /g/ will always have your back. Please keep us up to date with your progress.
>>52185870
I know the guy who runs one in rural Scotland. He spent 80k on the equipment and managed to convince everyone to buy into the project is then 2 years later BT put copper lines to the door of everyone's house!
Needless to say, he was livid.
Certainly not profitable anymore either.
>>52185870
So how are you doing the IP addressing? IPV6 or are you doing carrier NAT?
>>52186248
Funkfeuer.at
>>52187817
you obviously didnt read the thread... and why are caps considered shady?
>>52188759
Because the internet does not run out at the end of the month.
>>52186657
Near LYIT?
>>52186073
Underrated tip is underrated
>>52186943
<3 NYC meshnet
Been wanting to meet you and ask about the project. Still going strong?
>>52185870
fucked
>>52185870
Look at this piece of shit.
As a full experienced network engineer, business manager, corporate advisor, and finally, a service manager, this will not work from how much knowledge OP is missing.
He is asking for little money and almost has zero understanding of all the costs. I mean costs by services. How will your services be advised to customers, who will manage your services to ensure service level agreements are met and can be contracted.
Yeah this is bait.
>>52185870
How close to dublin are you OP? do you have a blog or anything i can follow your progress on? even a website?
>>52191078
No to also note that wireless is a cunt when it comes to making up time and speed placed into a contract that a customer then signs to say "You get this as bare service level"
Shit OP. Give up and let me take over. At least I will put your (Mine) business and get it up higher then your income.
>>52191078
>who will manage your services to ensure service level agreements are met and can be contracted.
> rural ireland
> service level agreement
oi sean da interbox aint workin
yah i heard you the first time two weeks ago, ill be arround next week or so
ahh alrigh then
>>52185870
I work for a WISP. Ask away, I'll try to answer.
>>52186090
You're retarded, literally live in the same area as >>52186048
and theres tons of small time ISPs.
But don't move to WISP if you have a cable. Really the amount of data you can push via coax is way higher for much lower cost.
>>52185870
Irish? On 4chan? You must be a priest yourself.
>>52185870
Sounds good, OP. Very doable with decent backhaul and off the shelf wireless stuff. Can get complex even with that small number of subs tho. Take a look at this site for similar community schemes in Scotland - http://www.tegola.org.uk/howto/
>>52186345
Thank you anon
Since we're talking about nanostations and related. I have a local ISP who went jewish and i get only 10mbps out of the 20 i should get. I have a Canopy Subscriber Module on my roof and I'd like to know if they're limiting me on purpose and move my antenna since the retarded technician mounted it crooked.
How can i do it? I've already built a reset plug (to plug inside the gps port) but i'm too worried i'd lose access to the access point.
Pic somewhat related, the AP that gives me connection.
>>52191509
I just hate comcast so much. I've considered slashing my speed 50x just to be rid of them.
>>52186394
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZrjXSsfxMQ
>>52186160
>proxygambit
>need a fucking cellular connection just to use it
There's a reason the fed ignored that heap of shit and removed proxyham.
>>52185870
>Ubiquiti
My nigga
>>52185870
Depends on the area. But owning an ISP is practically license to print money.
>>52185870
I work with several WISPs in the south of Ireland and we're about to start a new one.
Good luck OP, feel free to ask me any questions.
Just one question for you, how do you plan on bringing the wired connections?
>>52186090
move to scandinavia.
>>52192023
I work for an ISP that uses a shitton of 900 MHz PMP100 Canopy stuff.
If your speeds are shit, then it's more likely that the load on the AP or they're limiting you on where your PPPoE connection terminates. It is possible to limit the MIR in your CPE, though we only really do that for customers of a company that resells through us to make sure they're not getting more than they're paying for.
Leave your radio alone. Depending on how their network is setup, you'll need to know the AP colour codes, wireless password, VLAN information and they will also likely be collecting data from a management IP through SNMP, so if you call in next time they'll be unable to access the equipment.
By the way OP, ubiquiti can be nice, though Cambium ePMP has shit like GPS sync for not much more money. We've had good luck with it so far as long as you have LOS. If you have a shitton of customers with no LOS that you want to cover, ignore Ubiquiti 900MHz and go to Cambium PMP100 (Old and slow, but reliable and you could find refurbished APs and CPEs cheap) or PMP450i (Very new, expensive but quick). I've also heard good things about mikrotik's Metal 9shpn, but no hands on.
We use a shitton of 900Mhz because we have no other choice. Speeds can be terrible, but for most of our customers, it's their only option. He'll, we have people half a mile from a 100ft tower that won't work on 3.65 GHz or 5.8Ghz because of trees, but have a perfect signal on 900.
>>52193903
I have access to an ePMP1000. They had two access points where the passwords were.
00000000FFFFFFFF11111111EEEEEEEE
Is that what you're talking about?
>>52194065
Earlier firmware versions were garbage, now they're not too bad. Web UI can be slow as balls, but once they're setup they're great radios. Make sure you update them, though.
>>52194296
Meh
https://packetstormsecurity.com/files/134483/cambiumepmp1000-exec.txt
Anyway, I'll search for more vulnerable devices in my network, and see what i can discover (these retards their entire network exposed)
>>52186073
>>52185870
Prepare to get sued, America, the land of the lawsuit.
>>52186022
Why is it dangerous?
Would the US government go to the major ISP and tell them to start putting down fiber and lower their prices or that just a pipe dream?
>>52195609
Pipe dream
>>52193903
>>52194065
Constant interference
>much noise
>very short wave radio
>so competitors
Some sites are just shit.
>>52195609
Technically, that already happened. The government giving ISPs money and telling them to build fiber, not them actually doing anything, or lowering prices.
http://newnetworks.com/ShortSCANDALSummary.htm
>>52188759
Op here, No there will be no caps.
>>52189725
St. Johnston
>>52191219
My name is Sean, fuck.
>>52193608
With a wire, a shovel and some grit.
>>52195954
No, the radio itself is great, but
> 17 users at the same time
> 100Base-TX
>>52186944
This
>>52197963
>Op here, No there will be no caps.
But:
>>52186780
>Bandwidth caps for everyone!
>You get a cap! You get a cap! Everyone gets a Cap!
Huh?
>>52185929
>2,000 in investments
Dead on arrival.
>>52198938
It was a joke
>>52198963
Tell me more about how you know my entire setup and how much it will cost.
>>52199000
>It was a joke
Which bit?
>>52197963
>With a wire, a shovel and some grit.
What about planning permission?
>>52199198
Bandwidth caps.
>>52201048
>Rural Ireland
Planning permission dosnt matter a fuck.
>>52187219
until you get sued into oblivion by the incumbent ISPs relying on loopholes and obscure legislature to do so
How does one go about starting their own ISP?
>>52201100
Trust me, i've seen shit go down because of planning permission in very rural Ireland
Get someone on /biz/ to invest in you
>>52201157
What part?
>>52201198
South, can't say much more than that
>>52201390
Well unless it was in Donegal. Its different up here.
>>52197963
Interesting I've some of the senpai that live over in Creeslough, what are your estimated rates?
>>52201157
It's an old Irish thing, there REALLY protective over thier land
>>52202164
* senpai, my auto correct is autistic
>>52185870
Also and Irefag . Was thinking about trying someting similar in my area. If it works out post results as I would be very interested.
I have between 20-30 who would sign up but I am not sure about a start up as I have just been a payslave for the last 10 years.
>>52201100
You must be kidding.
See the Mahon Tribunal:
"The Tribunal of Inquiry Into Certain Planning Matters and Payments."
How much did that cost the state? Jesus!
>>52202164
25 of the finest euros a month. Guaranteed better than BlueBox Shitband.
Op here, If anyone wants more info to to get involved email me.
[email protected]
>>52202380
Interesting, atm he's tethered his phone to his pc with 3's 20 quid a month PAYG it's alright but the connection reliability is cancer, interesting though it shouldn't be considering its so close to LYIT
>>52202447
Welcome to Donegal. If you fly here remember to set your clocks back 38 Years.
I don't pretend to know what things are like in Ireland. But if I were you I would at least chat to a lawfag m8 if you have one. If you spend a lot of money digging up public/private land without permission and putting in shit, someone will find out eventually and you could be in a whole heap of trouble.
It only takes 1 disgruntled customer to report you to a consumer watchdog/popo for everything to go tits up.
Would say go for it if you wanna do it, over here i wouldn't really see anyone buying from me because ISP delivers 100/100 for basically free and 1gbit for 15 euro more
>>52202653
And yea this, also big corperations are evil and want to maintain their position so watch out for dirty tricks
>>52185972
Are you on Dublin? I need to get that shit now.
>>52202481
Ayy true that, its a nice part of the country all the same, I'll send your email on to my uncle he'll appreciate some decent Internet
>>52202741
Donegal mate
>>52202771
Fuck.
>>52185870
Make sure you weather proof the APs, that's not just rain but sun and lighting as well.
When you get bigger make sure your backbone network is as redundant as possible, peer with multiple ISPs.
And please hand out public IPs even if you can only hand out public IPv6 blocks, NATing everyone is a dick move.
>>52202989
I wont NAT anyone for that exact reason.
>>52186073
reminds me of something
>in IT at a crane hire company
>boss (IT manager/head) is better at convincing people he can computer than anything else
>get busted camera dvr to look at
>boss had it first
>its hdd doesn't contain what i expected
>ask him if anything popped up on his computer
>sure enough, he hit yes when his windows box asked to initialize the hdd
long story short, i ended up taking old footage and manipulating their timestamps, probably illegal considering the content, then i became known as a wizard of photo manipulation, so they had the idea to get a $20,000 vinyl sign writer and have me draw and print signs and logos, despite me never previously handing any vector images before
fun times
learning inkscape has come in handy a few times since though, so that's good
>>52186073
>>52203646
These are the two most seemingly unabsurd absurd post I've ever seen. It's poetry.
>>52203772
Its great. It was 11PM and he calls me like "They broke in, it was a recovery truck. Can you come quick, the fucking cameras dont work"
>>52186022
>That stuff is a lot more complicated and dangerous then copper.
But its not even a conductor of electricity, I could stuff it in my anus and not get electrocuted.
