Alright /g/, can I get a genuine, unbiased list of the pros and cons of Windows 10?
I'm not big on privacy because most of what I use is what you'd consider a botnet, so just give me a list of pros and cons without going full privacyfag on me.
>>52175703
Depending on uses, it's fine.
Biggest complaint is Edge. It kind of works, but when a script breaks, the browser tends to just close. Not just the tab, but the whole process stack.
I like the idea of Azure AD integration out of the box though.
Really up to you I suppose.
>>52175703
>>52175703
It's absolute fucking shit, the UI is unresponsive as fuck, and I can't even do anything without it freezing for like 20 seconds
>>52177386
Sounds like a hardware problem.
Another case of the software being willing but the hardware being week, eh?
>>52177426
It's not a hardware problem, Win 7 ran smoothly with my hardware before I updated to Win 10. Now, I can't even open a fucking image file and the Start button doesn't work
I've got Anti beacon installed, done all the /g/ guides and installed Tor and several privacy add ons for Firefox.
Have I missed anything ?
>>52175703
It's unfinished. It's like a public beta. If you are going to use it, expect some stuff to break or not work. The backward compatibility can be great or terrible depending on software you use. The interface is a bit shitty. Also, Microsoft is using Windows 10 computers to send updates to each other which is the biggest problem for me.
>>52177647
>start button failure
I actually had this happen to me. When trying to get a solution on the 'support forums,' after their basic suggestions didn't work they just kinda ignored me. The issue actually followed me through several reinstalls, but every time I migrated all my user data forward. Didn't save this last time save for my emails and now it finally works again.
10 is best windows
8.1 is almost just as good
7 is a bit outdated but still good
XP is outdated but still ok
>>52177726
Wow that used to follow me too in the beta. Finally gave up and went back to Win7.
>>52175703
Good OS overall, but many botnet/security/annoyance features. Pretty much all of it can be disabled. Some of the more annoying things like Windows Defender have to be disabled with group policy or registry tweaks. Updates can only be stopped by disabling the Windows Update service entirely.
>>52177726
>>52177647
>start button failure
I had this problem in preview builds very close to release. Start button should work after restarting Explorer.exe
>>52177647
That's what happens when people use shit hardware. You wanna go back to Windows 95 and have a super fast OS and nothing else? Didn't think so.
>>52177726
The problem probably has something to with user account settings since I only get this problem with my administrator account.
I'm trying to create a new admin account and see what happens
>>52177788
I was really fucking close. But I run all my video and stuff through plex, and all the exe clients are piles of shit and the only good on is actually in the app store. That and there is a podcast client in there I like.
>>52177824
And when the button couldn't work, not even that did anything. Reading up on it, there are a bunch of different failure modes....
>>52177869
That actually did work to get the start menu back, but mine ran super fucking deep to where I couldn't even get the settings window open. Something in my user data, and getting rid of it all worked a treat.
>>52175703
Run it on your gaming machine
Run *nix on everything else
Why the fuck is this even a question
Does everybody just throw out their old desktop when they upgrade?
Since when were we all limited to a single machine at our battlestations?
Especially those of us that are supposed to be security conscious?
>>52175703
OP if you're still there:
- Kind of slow. People say it's faster than 7 or 8 but honestly it feels less responsive to me. Boots much faster than 7 but it doesn't really shut down either.
- Forced updates are fucking awful
- Compatibility problems with games
- Worse UI all around, and the stupid dual control panels etc are still there
- Ugly as sin, basically looks like it was made with the Paint fill tool, and oh my god the icons
- Compatibility problems with older games that work fine on Win7
- Bugs - I have a tablet with win10 and it often goes in a "faulty" state where you can't tap on some control, or a side bar doesn't go away, etc. Didn't have these problems on Win8.
>>52177910
>but mine ran super fucking deep to where I couldn't even get the settings window open.
Same desu; good thing I had more than one account
>>52177943
> Kind of slow. People say it's faster than 7 or 8 but honestly it feels less responsive to me. Boots much faster than 7 but it doesn't really shut down either.
Mine goes faster than 8.1 at least.
> Forced updates are fucking awful
WUMT
> Compatibility problems with games
Far less than you could have in Win 7/8 trying to run older games.
> Worse UI all around, and the stupid dual control panels etc are still there
True.
> Ugly as sin, basically looks like it was made with the Paint fill tool, and oh my god the icons
Personal opinion. I believe next release will bring some extra customization options.
> Compatibility problems with older games that work fine on Win7
As I said above, I've had less trouble in Win10 than with 7 running shit like muh japanese VNs or games that existed before 2005.
> Bugs - I have a tablet with win10 and it often goes in a "faulty" state where you can't tap on some control, or a side bar doesn't go away, etc. Didn't have these problems on Win8.
I can't really say I've had many bugs of this kind. Anyway, I'm just here to share an almost complete opposite experience than your, just for anon to have more stuff to think.
>>52175703
You absolutely can't disable the telemetry no matter what people tell you, even on enterprise edition. When you use Windows 10, Microsoft will be constantly keeping an eye on your computer, with a unique id that never changes.
>>52178037
Even the setting in a fresh account didn't work. It was weird, fixed now, but if it happens again I dunno what I'm gonna do. Can't run 7 because I don't think you can boot it from an NVMe. 8.1 makes me sad because start screen. Like too much windows software to use Linux. Sad times ahead for paco.
>>52178076
>As I said above, I've had less trouble in Win10 than with 7 running shit like muh japanese VNs or games that existed before 2005.
Well the whole post was just my personal experiences. I remember Toy Story 2 and Silent Hill 2 (emulated) not working no matter what, they used to work on Win7.
The bugs were pretty much only on the tablet. Dunno what's up with that.
>>52177943
~90% disagreement
- Kind of slow.
Nope. Easily 130% faster here from 7, and half as much faster from 8.
- Forced updates are fucking awful
It's a security thing not aimed at residential users, blame lazy corporations.
- Compatibility problems with games
As with every new windows version but if it worked with 8 it works with 10 so far. Otherwise make a 7 or XP dual boot or virtualmachine for retro.
- Worse UI all around, and the stupid dual control panels etc are still there
Agreed but the W7 panels are still there.
- Ugly as sin, basically looks like it was made with the Paint fill tool, and oh my god the icons
Eh
- Compatibility problems with older games that work fine on Win7
Dualboot/virtualmachine
- Bugs - I have a tablet with win10 and it often goes in a "faulty" state where you can't tap on some control, or a side bar doesn't go away, etc. Didn't have these problems on Win8.
Fixed bugs I was having with Win8.
Seems to be hardware luck for most people on these.
>>52175703
pros:
Newer
dx12
faster??? (maybe)
newer
thats about fucking it.
i hate win10 compared to win7, but i still upgraded, But i got the epic enterprise LTSB N version which is a windows 10 light without the STORE, EDGE and all the bullshit botnet stuff.
>>52178095
AIR
FUCKING
GAP
YOUR
HARDWARE
Why do people not fucking separate their god damn gaming machines?
I've got separate devices for:
Gaming (PC)
Porn (Old laptop)
Casual Browsing / Internet chatting (*nix box)
Facebook / Official chatting (*nix netbook)
Banking and purchases (well... liveboot ROM actually)
Only one of these uses Windows 10 and it's on a dual boot with Windows 7 with a Windows XP virtual machine.
Who the fuck owns only one computer. I can raid them out of fucking trashbins and they'll do most of the average user's needs.
>>52178250
Yeah but why the fuck would I want to go through all that trouble when I could just use windows 7?
>>52178277
>hurrr I'm worried about microsoft telemetry
>hurrr I'm too lazy to stop using it where I don't need to
If their telemetry picks up more than gaming trashtalk, turn in your fucking techie card at the door
>>52178303
I have better shit to do than fuck with constantly removing all the spyware Microsoft adds with each new update on multiple Windows 10 computers. There is literally no reason to use windows 10 at this time when windows 8.1 and 7 are better. Seriously what's so great about Windows 10? That it keeps itself auto-update by restarting when you are in the middle of your work? lol
I like it.To me it's like windows 7 only looks nicer and more shit. workspaces. tiling. all is well.
don't really give a shit about the spy crap. but i can use the majorgeeks app if i do
>>52178381
>Thinking I meant doing it the retarded way
Quit using your windows machine for EVERYTHING
Use multiple machines you scrub
>>52175703
Stuff works.
Tried Ubuntu with firefox.
>webms didn't load
>the fix caused the HTML5 player to crash on youtube
>the fix for the HTML5 crash was to revert to the previous problem
>soundcloud player doesn't work period
>uninstall firefox
>reinstall firefox
>problem persists
>get windows
>install firefox
>everything works
Linux: not even once
>>52177738
>>52175703
Memory compression makes it super fast on most of the hardware.
>>52178448
Yeah I used linux for a few years. I liked it. But then I built a new computer. Just tossed windows 10 on it. been using it since. everything just werks. fuck it
>>52178448
This.
Linux is for people who have 12+ hours on weekends just for troubleshooting crap, or already do this as their dayjob.
Something is always broken on Linux.
>>52178448
>>webms didn't load
How did you even manage this?
>>52178448
I had a similar problem.
Tried Windows 10 with Chromium
>get binary from shady website
>installer
>no privacy friendly search engine in the default list like on Linux
>no updater like on Linux
>flash doesn't work
>install flash
>flash doesn't work
>go to Adobe faq
>flashplayer is installed but disabled
>enable in plugins menu
>no flash in plugins menu
>have to install PPAPI instead
what uses less memory and cpu chrome or firefox?
>>52178520
Probably hardware.
*nix is as bad as Mac for only working reliably on a small selection of hardware. The difference being *nix you have no fucking warning and you'll waste a whole week before giving up.
I'm just over here on osx running the software I need and playing vidya on a ps4.
>>52178515
Nonsense, my mother use ubuntu as her first OS ever and she does fine even though she don't really like tech. She can read her news and emails. Nothing ever breaks. When she had xp on her computer on the other hand I had to install teamviewer and do tech support all the time. Linux is way more stable than windows, which is why they use Linux on the space station. they can't have something like windows that breaks all the time.
>>52178610
>my one anecdote over the four+ people
You know the people behind the space station has a resident *nix Guru on staff, right?
I use it on my desktop for playing games and watching movies on my t.v. And only because it will just werk and I don't want to have to fuck with something if i just wanna watch a movie. Most everything else I do in linux.
I like it fine because it werks for what i want it to do and hasn't really done anything annoying to me yet.
Only thing annoying is cortana and privacy settings. Seems like everytime it updates i need to re opt out of whatever terms and conditions for cortana and change some privacy settings. Also it keeps uninstalling speccy which is fucking dumb.
>>52178610
I dunno linux can be stable. but updates can fuck it up. i woldnt call it more stable than windows. i neve rhave issues with windows. i would never have issues with debian either. every distro is different.
>>52177647
I remember that bug, an update causes that. It corrupts the start menu database and you will have to delete it to fix it. That removes all icons from the menu but it fixes the slowdowns. I went back to Win8.1 after that shit.
>>52175703
>I'm not big on privacy
Kill the self.
Regards, killfrog.
>>52175703
It's genuinely and objectively shit. (At least for now, it might become non-shit in the future.)
I'm not going to go into detail listing everything that's wrong with it, because if you cared about that you'd be out there doing your own research.
But oh well, I'm sure you'll ignore this and believe Microsoft shills and retards so fuck you.
>>52178448
Nube. Just install Linux Mint. Everything works out of the box.
Random stuff not working hasn't been a problem for the last 10 years if you know what distro to use.
>>52178499
>Memory compression
>Rotational velocidensity
jej
>>52178652
I've been dual-booting Windows and Linux (several different distros) for 10 years, and Windows updates have always caused far more problems for me than Linux updates.
>>52177386
>My computer is shit
>It's Microsoft's fault
Top kek
>>52177738
wow fagtron you sure convinced me with those hot opinions
Anyone have any experience with win10 Education? I can get it for free from my school but I'm worried it'll be worse than Pro
Anyone have one of those infographics to tweak it?
>>52177647
>It's not a hardware problem
you're right, it's user-error
>>52177426
I actually agree with that anon, windows 10 has shown me nothing that convinces me that it's worth keeping. I find myself always restarting explorer.exe and display drivers crashing (amd)
>>52180923
it is common sense
>>52183426
whatever you say fagtron
>>52175703
I use windows 10 at work. I honestly prefer using Windows 7 or Linux Mint. There is barely any difference between 10 and 8, other than an improved taskbar. Not really sure why 10 exists honestly.
>>52183923
heh, what does it even mean
The ui is something I like about it. It over all seems more responsive. Forced updates is a pro and a con
>>52177386
Shouldn't have pirated ;^)
>>52183946
So people stop complaining about 8. People just had trouble with 8 a little and everyone started being a little bitch about it.
>>52178250
Having 5 separate devices to perform tasks that can be done with one isn't crazy at all
Pros:
* It does feel faster. It's mostly UI tricks rather than reality, but it works
* I thought I'd hate the redesigned UI, but I don't - it's fine
* Seems stable enough
Cons:
* There is a RIDICULOUS amount of shit you have to do to turn it into a usable OS from a vanilla install - editing group policies, making registry edits, uninstalling stupid bloatware, changing settings
* If you don't have Enterprise, I would not recommend Win10 due to privacy concerns
* Pinning things to the start menu pins them as "live tiles" - 60% of my start menu is blank because I turned off the "most used programs" setting and I can't put anything there
* There's some driver flakiness on my laptop. Can't tell if that's intel's fault or Microsoft's
* No way to alt+tab to desktop anymore - have you use Win+M or Win+D
If you're thinking about upgrading from Win7, I wouldn't. If you are like me and bought new hardware where drivers aren't available for Win7, install Enterprise, rip out the shitware, and it's fine
>>52178535
>but muh linux
Read the documentation and don't blame your incompetence on an operating system.
>>52184292
>* There is a RIDICULOUS amount of shit you have to do to turn it into a usable OS from a vanilla install - editing group policies, making registry edits, uninstalling stupid bloatware, changing settings
It's fine as it is
>>52185486
>telemetry is set to full by default
Fuck no it isn't
>>52178250
Thanks for the tutorial on how to waste like a complete moron anon.
What is the best guide for getting rid of all of the spy shit?
I've seen so many fucking tutorials and they all say different things, sometimes more, sometimes less. I feel a sense of dejection that windows 10 will update automatically and my settings will reset anyway.
Windows 10 Home, using it for vidya, Gimp and general fuckery.
>>52179894
I have NEVER had an issue with Windows updates on Windows 7.
>>52185648
>windows 10 home
you can't get rid of the spy shit. have fun
>>52175703
> i am not big on privacy
stopped reading right there.
So far it's nice for me. Lots of application/gaming support. I think UAC Is fucking autistic though. better than Linux, but its by no means perfect.
>>52178250
use tails linux you dumb faggot
>>52184251
I hated 8 because it had 2 separated interface for "apps" (practically none) and 10 fixed that by putting them as programs
just got a surfacebook after having a macbook pro from high school through college. Windows 10 has been pretty easy to pick up. i like how the xbox one is similarly designed, so that helped me.
It feels cool to finally be on windows <3
>>52177426
>week
You have to be 18 to post on this board.
Is there a way to disable automatic downloading of metro apps?
Or maybe to disable metro apps completely?
There's a setting in GP but apparently it does nothing, since shit is still being downloaded and installed.
So far using Windows 10 is like being in a boat with holes in it. Soon as you plug one, there's another fucking leak somewhere.
It's frustrating. I probably won't use it.
Microsoft wants something from my computer 10 times a fucking second
>>52178202
You should have gotten normal enterprise and cut out the stuff you dont need from it, ltsb wont get any feature updates unlike other versions ( i.e. colir title bars although it can be done on ltsb with themes hack )
>>52181291
Just use kms, i had more problems activating my licensed win 10 pro than using kms on win 10 enterprise
>>52187963
How easy it is to remove Store and all the apps from Enterprise?
>>52185526
Hit the switch to minimum, there, problem solved. Win 8 has telemetry, win 7 had telemetry even before updates, osx has telemetry, android has telemetry. Why did everyone suddenly go crazy with their "privacy" since win 10 release?
>>52188104
As easy as finding a removal script and double clicking it
>>52188143
7 and 8 don't have telemetry, unless you enable it.
>>52187773
literally the only reason I refuse to install 10 is because I don't want to be milked like a fucking cow by advertisers or what ever sketchy shit microshit is doing.
>>52188190
retard
>>52177943
The games complaint kind of depends on the games in question. I've had better luck with some games that 8/8.1 gave me issues with, like the PC version of Silent Hill 2 which had issues with forcing a single thread for me on Win8 or Sonic Adventure DX (2005) which had problems with trying to force VSync, but a few have weird screen sync issues like Bunny Must Die where the game looks like it's jittering.
It's give and take, but it seems more give than 8 was for me.
>>52185452
The problem was that the official documentation of Adobe was unclear. If windows has central package management there would have been no problem.
>>52188242
Found the Microsoft shill who likes being spyed on
fucking retard
>>52177840
>You wanna go back to Windows 95 and have a super fast OS and nothing else?
Yes. If it had current hardware support this is what I would be using. It would be nice to have something without all the services and crap bundled in.
>>52178118
>paco
>>>/mlp/
>>52178095
Microsoft said it so it must be true. It can't be completely disabled IF you follow their rules on what you can and can't do on your computer. I bet you think the EULA is enforceable.
>>52189281
>haha I'm such a hacker, take that Microsoft
Even if you somehow manage to evade the botnet, 10 is still objectively worse than 8 in every way.
>>52189306
Unlike you I actually know what I'm doing.
>10 is still objectively worse than 8 in every way
Thanks captain obvious.
>>52175703
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>>52177666
Yes, installing gentoo
>>52175703
I think the new start menu is worth all the hassle, plus:
- UI orientation is a lot better than 8/8.1
- Search function is actually decent fast compared to how slow W7 was
- Backwards compability is better than expected, still not W7 tier
- Store for apps, though 99% of them completely suck there are still 1% that are better than other options and its very convenient for the user
- Activity monitor and file browser have seen some nice updates
But its still a microsoft product at its core, design flaws that we commonly know are still there, getting error messages and stuff is still there, annoying updates that fixes one thing and brakes two others in the process. Things that don't make sense are still there etc.
And its a relatively young product as well. Stability isn't a strength at this point and expect to reinstall immediately after you upgrade and once or twice after that to fix certain random issues as noted within in this thread, best thing you can do to increase your chances of stability is to only move over simple files likes documents or images etc.
As for the botnet thingy, its less noticeable than on Android devices and I haven't seen any adds or the like outside of the store app. Network performance haven't seen any major change compared to how it was before I upgraded from W7 to W10.
I think W10 is more about personal taste and for how much you are willing to tolerate. Much better than W8 though.
