So... Ian Murdock's death.
What does the linux/gnu/tech anon's think of this.
I've been speculating for a while after reading some articles (mostly blogs and forums) that Ian has been a target of NSA bribery for a few years at least.
Do you think the NSA is involved in his death? Possibly relating to his refusal to implement a backdoor in the Debian codebase?
The twitter rants sound a little fake and weak to me.
NSA could have done it, but why is a mystery to me
>>52145933
i think the stores better ramp up their price for tinfoil
this /x tier delusional faggotry is too much
https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/
>>52146003
Whatever anon. I was called a crazy and a paranoid delusionist for the past decade when i would tell people about how the NSA controlled google, microsoft and most other big tech enterprises at the time.
Snowden vindicated me for that.
I wouldn't put it beyond them. The NSA are traitorous to humankind.
>>52146003
>>52146032
you were 0 years old a decade ago
>>52146003
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not an NSA shill doing damage control. Call it delusion or tinfoil all you want, you can't trust anyone and the NSA is very desperate to keep control over the citizens. Now, while there is no proof as of right now the NSA did it, I wouldn't be surprised if they did it.
>>52146054
For the record i was 21.
>>52146062
>I wouldn't be surprised if they did it.
"Proofs" by anon
>>52146032
>>52146033
He's right, faggots. Just because one conspiracy turned out to be true doesn't mean that mean that this conspiracy is any more plausible, especially given that there isn't a shred of evidence to support these claims.
Don't you think the Snowden leaks would have revealed if the NSA was actively involved in something as huge as murdering US citizens on US soil because they wouldn't insert backdoors into their software?
bribe someone to make something un-secure? i cant be the only one who thinks of taking the shortcut first.
and by shortcut i mean its easier to bribe someone to build in a backdoor than figure out your own.
>>52146100
The US government is already fine with killing foreigners with drones for whatever reason, so I don't see how they would have a problem with killing a US citizen.
>>52146121
>...but consider my ignorance
"Proofs" by anon
>>52146003
Just like The Dark Alliance, right anon? American security agencies can do no wrong.
>>52145933
Ian would be an interesting target for the IC: Debian (most popular server distro in the world) and Docker (most popular deployment framework in the world). Maybe the FOIA request will clarify the weirdness of this case, so let's wait.
>>52146121
We don't know that the NSA is actively involved in murdering anybody, much less US citizens, on US soil. That's an entirely different claim with its own burden of proof to be met
>>52146147
>something from history that has no connection at all
>wild implications
"Proofs" by anon
>>52146121
They are fine with killing US citizens too
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki
>>52146165
The NSA is involved as many drone strikes are based on their intelligence
The US has killed their own citizens without trial before see >>52146173
>>52146148
I'm certainly waiting on it. Gunna file request right now.
>the Debian codebase
There is no Debian 'codebase.'
You make software, and the twiddle dick maintainers make subjective bullshit comments until they let you into their repositories.
Contributors to the linux kernel, you know the shit that matters and major corporations make contributions to daily? THAT'S where the backdoors are.
Debian maintainers are just a bunch of backdoored jerkoffs, and so are you if you use Debian outside of your professional life. And even then, you should be switching.
All maintainers of derivative installations of anything running on the kernel are the last folks who would have knowledge of what the code is actually doing, and of course by extension their users mirror that.
You are simply living in an illusion of 'having control over anything your system does' if you use a linux distro. Point blank end of discussion.
>>52146207
The US killed some Allahu Akhbar OVERSEAS in a drone strike.
This is not even in the same universe as the NSA covertly killing some white programmer on US soil because he wouldn't put a backdoor in his software.
>>52145978
>but why is a mystery to me
>>52145933
>refusal to implement a backdoor in the Debian codebase
>>52146295
>moving goalposts
>>52146148
Thats fascinating.
You want to tell me the last time Ian was involved in anything Debian? Or are you, as i suspect, talking completely out of your ass?
implication -->if P then Q -->
first we think he was targeted and bribed
implies truth of second
prolly murdered by the same
the likelihood of one supports the other
>>52146305
>implying I moved goalposts when I asked for evidence of the NSA being involved in murders on US SOIL from the beginning, which Al-Awlaki did not qualify for
you're really bad at this aren't you
>>52146295
While it sure happends, you know you can make shit like an accident or like hired professional people that shot him surely NSA has some contacts for that.
We don't really know if they do it because media and whatever can cover everything up.
>>52146165
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hastings_%28journalist%29#Death
>>52146341
>We don't know that the NSA is actively involved in murdering anybody, much less US citizens, on US soil.
do you know what much less means?
>>52146003
This. Where is there any evidence at all that this was perpetrated by anyone other than Ian Murdock himself? I hate the NSA and their shitty tactics as much as the next guy, but I don't blame them for every suicide/death either. Let's see some proof
>>52146299
>refusal to implement a backdoor
Isn't Systemd a NSA backdoor, anyway?
>>52146341
Don't bother with these idiots man
>>52146276
Well for grammatical error.... the Debian "distribution" is effectively the "Debian codebase".
Ie; pointing to the fact that Debian as a distribution being what it is.
>>52146449
Regardless. Poeterring is a fucking tool as it is.
>>52146457
>someone doesn't think america is the best country in the world
>must be an idiot
>>52146361
Are you actually suggesting that the lack of any evidence proving the NSA was involved is, in fact, evidence of their involvement? Lol, you take detective work to a whole new level, anon
>>52146502
I'm not even American, born and raised in Toronto. No one in my family is American. I was just suggesting that it's pointless to try talking about "proof" or anything of the sort to the /x/-tier, NSA conspiracy tin-foilers. And I'm right.
>>52145933
You guys are idiots. The NSA are not an assassination group, the NSA are not a police force, the NSA are not a military force. The NSA do not train people to fire guns. The NSA do only one thing and that's one specific form of intelligence gathering.
>>52145933
I wouldn't dig into it too much.
>>52146528
You look exactly like a low level community shitposter in NSA.
>>52146588
OP here. Not implying that the NSA were directly responsible for an assassination (if any). But the fact that the harassment he received could have stemmed from NSA activities.
>>52146599
The idiots at 4chan will. You better believe that they will jump to conclusions based on their emotional levels rather than publicly documented facts.
>>52146588
Like they can't work with other agencies.
>>52146599
Yeah than why reply?
Any idea HOW he committed suicide?
Succes on first attempt is pretty rare
> be German-American
> refuse to sign backdoor patch
> get raped by cops
> get suicided
>>52146588
>The NSA are not an assassination group
You're a fool then
I have done literally nothing wrong, so why should I care?
>>52146665
rm -rf /
>>52146619
there are zero (O) info on this GOV. ASSASSINATION
>>52146610
Nobody knows what kind of harassment he experienced. He didn't publicly tell the details of what happened.
>>52146665
Death by installing systemd
JUST
>>52146003
I practically live for tinfoil now. My favorite hobby. This event is really unfortunate, but it's setting off my Mulder senses.
So he actually killed himself and his Twitter wasn't just hacked?
That's sad. Not because he's dead, but because one of the big FOSS figureheads turned out to be a racist once again. No wonder women and people of color don't feel welcome.
http://pastebin.com/yk8bgru5
>>52146146
>>52146436
You can wait long for proofs, it's not the first time experts or whatever person suddenly dies by "accident" like Danny jowenko, David Kelly,Sean hoare and if you grave deeper you'll find more
>a millionaire programmer decides to kill himself because he got arrested
does anyone buy that?
"After people reached out to him, Murdock appeared to calm down, and vowed instead to clear his name. Murdock died that evening."
Yeah, of course NSA, I believe you
you know to much....
>>52146207
That's hardly the NSA killing anybody. The organizations responsible for the killing are the CIA or the military, not the NSA.
have you not seen iron man?
>>52146785
It's "too" you idiot. Fuck off with your ellipsis too
>>52146745
People tend to die sometimes anon, even "experts"
>>52146745
Then we shall wait for them. Do not jump to conclusions.
>>52146760
No. The millionaire programmer decides to kill himself because he got harassed by policemen.
>>52146731
I can't believe someone feels sorry for the guy after reading this. He comes off as a racist schizophrenic. I'm not going to say that I'm happy he's dead, but holy shit he was a piece of shit.
>>52145933
Stop digging, or else.
>>52146810
Yea, NSA has become a catch-all to mean "some secretive government alphabet agency"
>>52146824
>It's "too" you idiot. Fuck off with your ellipsis too
It's ellipsii
>>52146810
NSA does say who should be killed though
>>52146835
You're an idiot. Ian Murdock was not being racist simply by the use of "nigger" in his language.
Exhibit A:
>Ian Murdock
>Iam Murdered
Coincidence?
Exhibit B:
>>52145933
>5-2+1=4+5=9=3*3
Coincidence?
CONSPIRACY CONFIRMED!
@ Shills, keep memeing the racist side of the story, also refrain from low level L0L trolling
goym are accepting the chutzpah now
>>52146857
>using racial slurs is not actually racist
/g/, everyone
>>52146857
That's offensive. Retards can't understand context like you do. N-word is always horrible.
>The details surrounding his death on December 28, 2015[2] are still unknown, but he is believed to have used Twitter shortly before his death.[11] Authorities have not released any further information at this time.
2SPOOKY
>>52146852
>ellipsii
Plural is ellipses
>>52146731
>>52146835
absolutely textbook
do not reply, i repeat, do not reply
>>52146835
>>52146731
He said nigger once while in a rage. WTF is wrong with you people being so quick to label?
CAPTCHA: Fuck you Google
>>52146854
No they don't. The NSA do not decide when a person is to get executed. They do only one thing and that is collect and analyze ONE specific class of intelligence.
>>52146845
Then people who use this language are idiots who have zero credibility if they are not capable of being accurate. If they can't get this one bit accurate, why should the rest of their rant be accurate?
>>52145933
What about linus finding a == changed to a = on his github shit with no record of the change. This little change created a way to get root priledges from the outside.
ITT: Freetards on suicide watch.
>>52146884
That's right. People are not looking into the context surrounding the usage. People are getting allergic reactions to the presence of the word.
>>52146884
Using them once, while having a mental fucking breakdown that led to his SUICIDE, is hardly enough reason to brand somebody with that label, don't you agree? Or are that much of a tolerance-nazi that you cannot recognize context or circumstances?
>>52146921
listen man your points are shilling funtastic but really no one gives a fuck about what you're being told to promote here
now get the fuck out and feel sad for all the bad your leaders did to that guy and his relatives, you shill
>>52146921
you need to review the art of deception slides and hone your craft because it's pretty blatant
>>52146921
How do you know for sure they only do that kind of activity ?
And they can always hire some one to do it.
But exactly you know nothing what they exactly do, apart maybe from the snowden leaks that's all we know
>>52146920
You may not be aware of this, but normal, not racist white people do not use the N-word in any situation.
>>52146899
>Plural is ellipses
It's "plurality". Plurality is ellipsii
>people ask for evidence of conspiracy
>get accused of shilling
stay classy, /g/
>>52146964
So what you're saying is that he was actually a closeted racist who lost his facade during a fit of rage?
>>52147005
>people ask for evidence of conspiracy
There is none.
>>52147005
desu it doesn't matter if the nsa did it or not
everyone who works for the nsa should spend a lifetime in prison either way
>>52147005
>question the strange death of a man on a public internet board
>immediately get flooded with classic psyop disruption techniques
>>52146866
Holy. Shit.
>>52146993
And what does that have to do with the original idiot misusing both "to" and ellipsis?
>>52146985
The NSA's mandate is signal intelligence, nothing else. Other government organizations have other mandates to do other things. They work as a team and their role in the intelligence community is very specific.
>>52146973
I GET PAID $30000000 PER POST HERE!
>>52146976
you need to review the art of deception slides and hone your craft because it's pretty blatant
>>52146884
He was making a point that this can happen to anyone not just black people acting like thugs
>>52147041
Plurality to Elipsi is just a coordinate shilling attack.
>>52147064
>black people acting like thugs
Found another racist
>>52146987
Everybody I know has used that word here and there. Even niggers themselves use it. A word is just a word, faggot. I wouldn't treat a nigger who needed my help any different from a cracker who needed it. Humans are humans to people like me, even if your small mind must put them into neat little categories.
>>52147005
Pretend they're Chinese MSS agents posting on /g/ to turn American citizens against the US government. That way you can call them a shill when they call you a shill.
>>52147038
>question the strange death of a man on a public internet board
>it's guaranteed to be the government, infa 100%
>>52147062
yes government agencies have traditionally always operated within their public mandate and have never lied to the public about anything and should be absolutely trusted no matter what
>>52147078
Wow look at our little edgelord over here
Stop it, that's fucking embarrassing
>>52147069
100% this. Are you stupid >>52147041?
>>52147038
>asking for evidence is a "psyop disruption technique"
I think it's more likely that you're a plant trying to make conspiracy theorists look like credulous idiots
>>52147079
If we are Chinese why do we not speak Chinese?
>>52145933
https://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm
https://theintercept.com/document/2014/02/24/art-deception-training-new-generation-online-covert-operations/
Good luck trying to discuss this on the internet from here on out! Keep these tactics in mind when reading posts on counterculture forums.
>>52147098
This. No one is listening to your phone calls.
T. Black man in a white house
>>52147076
What topic are you trying to distract us from shill?
>>52147076
Wow, you're good at this! Be sure to jot down his name and tell all the mods of the other subs he subscribed to!
>>52147125
>tfw internet trolls use these tactics for fun just to stir shit up and do the NSA's job for them
>tfw they do it for free
>>52147105
Are you?
>>52147108
well, my friend, it's 8 hours that here there are 99% trolls on the same post from yesterday LEL HE DID IT
THE MADMAN
...that's a long coordinate action in my pocket simply because there's ZERO info about him suiciding.
real info say he passed away and nothing more
BUT HE WAS RAPED AND USED THE N-WORD
Uppercase is the coordinate trolling of today here
>>52146908
THIS, we pseudo-SJW are coming here just to shill this bs today?! I am more and more convinced that there is something very fishy going on..
>>52146510
no, hes just saying to take things into consideration. i highly doubt anything like that happened, but one of these days it will.
>>52146987
The guy is dead, in somewhat fishy circumstances, but you are stuck up on one word. That's so petty, and closed minded. It almost comes across as fake and forced, like you are trying to downplay his death.
>>52147102
>says nigger
>sooo edgy
You're probably not gonna like it here
>mfw conspiracy theorists think they're the skeptical ones when they latch onto things without a shred of proof
>>52147098
If I was a soldier doing a reconnaissance mission, I am very capable of killing everybody I see during my mission. During the reconnaissance, I will do my best to avoid detection and I will avoid killing anybody. Why is that? My role isn't to kill people in a reconnaissance mission. The role of attacking the people in the area goes to a different mission. Likewise, the NSA's role is the same. They are a specialist who does one kind of work leaving other kinds of work to other specialists.
>>52147227
your point, Sir
>>52146083
So you still browse 4chan at the age of 31?
Literal manchild we got here
>>52147244
Yes, well done etc
>hey I got a great idea, lets turn this cracka suicide into a #blacklivesmatter advertisement
that's you nigga
>>52147293
this is exactly what they want
>>52147277
One guy looks through binoculars, the other guy looks through the scope.
>>52147272
I'm 37, so what?
>>52146588
It is legal for the president to put US citizens on the kill list without trial. Officially it has only happened twice. Anwar Al awlaki because he wrote Al qaida propaganda and his 15 year old son was killed a while later, the only public reason was because he was Awlakis son. Obamas only statement was "it is unfortunate, but he had the wrong father" .
The US government is not obliged to tell who is on the kill list. And the only requirement to be put on the kill list according to the Patriot act that gives the rules is if the president feel the person is "a threat to national security " which has no legal meaning. The NSA might have given the president advice to put him on the list if they wanted to. The president has 100% authority of the kill list. Technically Obama can kill the whole Senate tomorrow if he feel they are a threat to national security.
>>52147125
>https://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm
so many textbook shills right now on /g/
>>52146121
>Not being glad that sandniggers are being bombed
Sure is getting progressive in here
>>52147416
USEFUL REMAINDER THAT
>"a threat to national security"
IS TRANSLATED INTO PRIVATE INTERESTS OF LOBBING GROUPS, AIPAC AND PRIVATE SECTORS OF MILITARY, COMMUNICATIONS, MEDICAL INTEREST
>>52147489
Who let /pol/ out of their containment board again?
>>52147416
Then it's not the NSA who are killing anybody. A different part of the US government are choosing who to kill.
>>52147416
I think killing an active terrorist leader (confirmed a billion times over btw, just open the wiki page) in yemen who's hiding with other taliban and god knows what is a little different than 'oh hey let's kill the senate after toast today'.
>>52147513
As soon as there is any possibility of government involvement, /pol/ will come out to post shit.
>>52147303
their all what can we gain from this guys suicide
>>52147564
Then how is it different? NSA wants guy dead, CIA pulls the trigger. It's trivially different from doing it themselves
>>52146588
You're right, it's a job for the CIA.
>>52147663
The NSA don't do killings, that's not their job. This job belongs to other government organizations. This is the point.
>>52146003
>mass surveillance? better get your tinfoil hat there tim
>>52145933
Why would the NSA kill him instead of a more influential crackpot like Stallman?
>>52147723
Closer but not quite. CIA works outside of America. For internal issues, the jurisdiction belongs to the local police or the FBI.
>>52147801
>CIA works outside of America.
Except when they feel like ignoring that basic rule.
>>52146731
>>>/tumblr/
>>52147567
He was not a leader. He had no power in Yemen. He was only involved in writing. Read the wiki page. And why would there be taliban in Yemen? And why would the Taliban be involved with al qaida? That's like claiming that Obama is hiding with chinamen in the white house. Or that Mexican druglords are hiding with Italian priests in Mexico. They have some relationship, but it's a bizzare picture.
>>52145978
The NSA does not do shit like covert ops and cover ups. You're thinking of the CIA.
>>52147826
Yes. When a black op goes from the outside into the JEWSA, CIA goes there too
It was the fucking cops. We'll probably never really know how or why, but it was the police.
>>52145933
Is there evidence of Debian being hacked by the NSA, outside of a wordpress blog?
>>52147244
but.. what are we going to do about this?
dig for info? what if we find something?
what then?
>>52147272
Retard
>>52145933
It seems a lot more likely that Murdock was a functional alcoholic and that those tweets represented what he was like when he was drunk. He probably really did get wasted and harass someone and get arrested. Then he went home, got even more drunk, tweeted his drunken nonsense rants, and committed suicide.
It's unfortunate but it's not that uncommon that someone presents a good front while being a raging alcoholic privately.
Stallmans gone rogue.
#REKT
Is there evidence of Debian being hacked by the NSA, outside of a wordpress blog?
https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/
I'm asking out of unbiased curiosity, just in case it sounds like I'm a shill, I'm not. I wanna spread any legit info like wildfire, but wordpress sounds pretty sketch.
>>52148591
Go away NSA shill
We know about JTRIG
>>52147513
I'm sorry to have bothered you m'xir, clearly those bombed sandniggers had a lot to contribute to society in the form of rape and terrorism.
And, yeah, I'm sure the government assasinated some random programmer that I and the majority of other people have never even heard of until today.
Boy, do I have a website you cucks will enjoy:
www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy
>>52147272
63 here, so?
>>52146121
Remember when obama wanted to use drones on us soil to kill us citizens? Good thing that never came to be.
I wouldnt put any of this past the gubment, like the other anon said -- i simply wouldnt be surprised is all
>>52149075
Huge bunch of losers.
Why does everyone think the government is involved in the suicide of a literally who beta fuck?
>>52149640
Good question.
>>52149640
Because autism.
>>52147272
fuck you I'm 69 and I still post dank memes
>>52146173
Pretty sure that he's a terrorists no?
>>52146086
t. special agent Alex barboson
>le NSA boogeyman
>>52150054
>fuck you I'm 69 and I still post dank memes
post picture with your face holding a timetstamp. If you'd rather not do a facepic, atleast show us your arm. 69 year olds should have old arms.
>>52150054
i so very hope this is true lol
>>52150567
I doubt anyone would be on 4chins at 69 but I'm 37 and frogpost so who knows
>>52150239
No, his father was and he was suspected to be one. But even then EVERY SINGLE US CITIZEN is entitled to a trial with a jury of his/her peers. The killing of that young man was traitorous and wrong.
>>52146148
>Maybe the FOIA request will clarify the weirdness of this case, so let's wait.
I know the gov is supposed to responsd to FOIAs with all existing information, but how do we know that they really do?
>>52146062
>police raped him up the ass with a spiked flashlight
>He kills himself later
He would bleed to death, but the fact that anyone believes this shit is retarded
>>52147852
>they hand that off to the CIA
FTFY
>>52150740
>EVERY SINGLE US CITIZEN is entitled to a trial with a jury of his/her peers
in USA, everyone is entitled to jury trial, whether single, citizen, or otherwise
Lrn2constitution, pleb
yes, Gitmo is unconstitutional abuse of Presidential power, incrementally surrendered by Congress to Lincoln, then to Roosevelt, then to Bush
>>52146148
>the FOIA request
>>52150924
>the gov is supposed to responsd to FOIA
FOIA requests are routinely ignored until a lawsuit is filed, then the response is redacted to the point of uselessness.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/
>>52146588
People don't seem to understand that there is no "The Government". There aren't smoky boardrooms full of people making secret decisions.
It's made up of dozens of separate agencies employing thousands of people all just trying to do their jobs while looking like they're important enough to get a raise.
Real life is not like the movies. Reminds me of how people think cops should "non-lethally" take down suspects with a single shot to the leg.
>>52146003
>tinfoil
foil is aluminum now, Grandpa
>>52145933>>52145933
>>52145933
I just want to know what actually happened. The media seems to have left this out and nobody really knows.
Why was he arrested?
Why were the cops called when he knocked on his neighbors door?
Why was he beaten up and laughed at?
Was he raped by a cop?
What happened to his twitter account?
