Decided to use Christmas gift cards to stuff some more RAM into this old beast. What old junk have the holidays blessed you with?
Also old tech thread.
Nothing sadly. I'd love an old laptop like that to fuck around with though.
>>52114335
Picked it up at a surplus sale for $5. I'm sure that you could find something decrepit to breathe life back into if you look around at local shops or ask around.
>>52114315
I scored a loaded Precision T7400 a little before christmas along with some nice P6 workgroup servers.
Debating between throwing some christmas cash into a set of memory risers and a Quadro FX 4600 for it or a Palm Tungsten T/T3 to replace my E2.
>>52114517
You say that like you have a choice. Pull the trigger, bud.
Bought myself a brand new in box i-opener on ebay
>>52114658
I plan to install windows 98 on it when I have the time
>>52114599
I'm definitely at least picking up the riser boards, $10 to raise the maximum RAM ceiling to 128 GB, and I have enough memory laying around to shove 16 GB in it right now.
>>52114658
>>52114689
Those always sounded fun to mess with, preferably with a wayback machine proxy server.
>Didn't just download more RAM
>>52114658
Had to look that do-dad up. Damn, that does sound like fun. How much did that go for, NiB?
>>52114791
Would if I could. Thing's a bitch to get online, even after getting the right adapter(s). My knowledge of old or lightweight browsers also sucks.
>>52114810
$45 shipped
>>52114689
Out of curiosity I hooked up the keyboard to my modern desktop via ps/2. The pizza key is mapped to the fucking windows key. I couldn't be happier
>>52114896
>>52114985
That thing is utter gold. I'm in love.
>>52114689
Would these be useful as terminals? I'm looking at these and it seems like it would be cool to buy a bunch of them and shove them in random places in the house as X terminals running a browser remotely on a central server
>>52115081
Don't see why not. Probably cheaper ways to do that, but hell, who's going to stop you? Plus, old shit.
>>52115243
Older laptops are a really good way of doing it practically, but these things look qt as fuck.
>>52115331
The only reason I recognize that thing is because of a Cracked article. Qt as fuck, but I wonder about its capabilities. Did any "internet appliance" ever actually take off for any marginal amount of time?
>>52115365
Tablets and smartphones did, but the original wave of internet appliances were killed off by the dotcom bubble and probably the general lack of penetration of the internet at the time
>>52114510
Comfy.
Most dated tech I own at the moment is a Thinkpad W510.
Comfy as fuck. The 118mb ram is killing me tho
>>52116068
I've had one of these as a hand me down from when I was a kid, fucking love the thing. i booted it up for the first time in forever and blew the dust off it to relive old times a couple of days ago. the keyboard is friggin epic
>>52116068
128MB should be enough for some shitposting and a bit of multitasking, pretty good size for a 600 series.
I went through so many of those as a kid, I grabbed another one a year or so back and finally got it running, now that I know how to use it within its limits it's quite a nice system.
>>52116068
I have a 600X myself, with the same amount of RAM. You can actually do a good amount of web browsing, even have a few tabs open, if you use Opera.
>>52114315
Get a Chinese SSD for it.
>>52117294
>pata
so, just defeat the entire purpose of an SSD with that bus?
>>52117312
There's more to an SSD than speed, you know.
I'm considering doing the same for some boxes I've got for shock proofing and added reliability.
>>52117312
its probably made of low grade flash like in usb flash drivers
>>52114315
PowerBook 1400cs
133MHz PowerPC 603e
32MB RAM
1.3GB HDD
Mac OS 8.6
>>52117294
>PATA SSD
[fasts]
>>52117294
Hilarious as it would be, I don't think I can justify spending any more money on this thing.
>>52116068
I've only got 8mb of RAM and a 80386.
>>52120204
Sexy as fuck. Why can't I get a modern laptop that looks like this? Why does shit need to be glossy and all
>>52120204
oh that design... It's really the archetype of ALL thinkpads. Thank you Mr. Sapper!
If these cost $5, why does the raspberry pi exist? Genuine question.
>>52120293
Get a used Thinkpad.
>>52118427
I don't care for Macs but that thing looks pretty sweet.
>>52120204
>first generation
>color
neat
one day I'll find a 700C, for the moment I guess I'll just have to be content with my PS/2 L40SX.
>>52118427
Those probably have one of the nicest keyboards I've ever used in any laptop, I really want one of the flagship 133c models from before they got bumped out of the high-end by the 3400, the cs's display is really shitty.
>>52123136
I like this a lot. That's really cool.
>>52114315
>>52114510
Does that have an S3 video card
>>52123939
I watched the pilot of Beyblade over and over on this hunk of shit.
>>52124074
>dem caps
>>52124172
The ones in mine are fine, I got that picture from the internet
More of that 10/10 70s design pls.
Protip: if it's older than the 90s but you don't know when it's from, it's from the 70s
>>52124315
i used to own a server with a couple of those in it.
so much potential
>>52116068
I miss my 600e that I found at in the Farm Bureau dumpster.
>>52124746
That must be the first huge loud laptop marketing feature sticker ever
>>52124746
yeah, that's why I love it
This is the best laptop keyboard I've ever used, and I have an X220. This is a 1994 Winbook XP, and it's 8~ pounds of beautiful build quality with an Intel DX4 and 8MB of RAM.
I really want to pour the money into it to fix it up and run something like the 486 branch of Debian. The reason I haven't is because I can't easily justify spending money right now to fuck around on something like that.
The battery can't hold a charge, but I can still turn it on if it's plugged into the wall. I haven't looked too hard to see how easily available a new battery that fits would be.
The hard drive is dead, but can be easily replaced.
Some years ago I was retarded and opened the thing up without knowing what I was doing, and pulled the ribbon for the screen out of the contacts that insert into the socket. I haven't looked too hard to see if I can feasibly fix this.
That being said, this laptop is a great testament to how eternal VGA is, as I can still connect it to my monitor and boot into BIOS without a problem.
>>52125519
>no dedicated mouse buttons for the pointing stick
>>52125519
Opened it up again for shits and giggles, I think the ribbon is actually not broken at all, but I can't actually get it to stay in it's slot due to my fat hands. I'll mess with it more when I'm more awake.
>>52126489
Good luck
I have an old 386-SX laptop and broke the key board and screen ribbons
And the HDD is not recognized by the bios since there is a shitty DALLAS battery on the board
>>52124331
LMAO why did siemens copy Apple.
>>52125519
Oh damn, an ancient relative of my WinBook tablet. Same font and all. It's gorgeous.
>>52126482
Anon pls
>having manlet hands
>not having a dedicated volume rocker
>not using dial up internet
>>52126538
Thanks. Quick google searching gives me cheap hard drives, but a new battery seems to be around $100, and honestly feels kind of useless since these have less capacity than my cell phone.
![y9EA6[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/syvD3Ke.jpg "y9EA6[1].jpg")
>>52126892
>made in USA
>>52126873
don't know, just seems like wherever apple goes, siemen follows
>>52120520
the pi is obviously way more energy and space efficient than using older hardware, I've entertained grabbing one and using it as an image map proxy server or terminal server
>>52123900
I've never seen anything other than thinkpads from around that time that used the mobile Savage4 chips
>>52116068
I just threw one of these away last month. Now I feel remorse
>>52114315
Also have a messagepad lying around somewhere
>>52128675
600 series were probably the best thinkpads ever made desu
if I could find a wireless card that works with NT 4 I would probably use mine for email/ssh
>>52128745
>eat up martha
>>52114658
Damn does that netpliance stuff bring back memories.
K6-III should work in it. Forget whether it was a drop-in or if you had to adjust voltages as well as clocks. Have fun Anon!
>>52114315
Had this old machine for a few years. Made in late 1999 I think. Has a Pentium II 366 MHz, 192 megs of ram, and ATI Rage Mobility graphics. It's running Windows 98 atm. I also have an old custom built AMD machine with a horrible case paint job.
![20151229_211955[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/sIlt1QV.jpg "20151229_211955[1].jpg")
>>52129417
It was godly when you could use AMD processors in Intel sockets. I think the K6-III requires a Super Socket 7 though. Try a K6-2 if it has a regular Socket 7. Here is my ugly custom built machine. I'll install Windows 98 on it. I tried to run it with XP and a Radeon HD 3650 just to test what the worst bottleneck possible would be like. It had trouble running UT in Direct3D mode even. I have the Rage 128 Ultra 32 MB in it, and I'll reinstall 98SE when I feel like it, maybe tonight since people here like old windows.
luddite garbage
>>>/vr/
Lordly tier:
using modern hardware to play your nostalgia games
Shit tier:
paying more money for old garbage than when it was new due to hipster markets
>>52129585
Actually that computer is running 2000. It has some issues with 98, and there is not a really great reason to run 98 since the sound is not soundblaster compatible for DOS games (FM soundblaster music works though, with low quality).
>>52128849
This card works fine on my laptop under NT 4. There are still drivers for it. Believe it or not, there are still major websites hosted on NT 4 servers. There are also USB mouse/keyboard, mass storage, and Fat32 drivers for NT 4.
>>52120293
>sexy as fuck
>that huge bezel
this is what thinkfags actually believe
My favourite part of this particular thread is how each and every last laptop that's turned on has a cord somewhere in the picture. Can't find a battery? I can't ever imagine why not~
>>52129901
My Compaq can sometimes go about an hour without battery, but I usually keep it plugged in. I have had newer laptops that can barely last 15 minutes. The main thing that impresses me are the speakers. All my new laptops have shit tier tinny speakers. The Compaq's are loud as fuck and actually pretty good sounding. It is basically a portable boombox. In some ways they really don't make laptops like they used to.
>>52120293
>>52129898
The best bit is I guarantee you he'd be the very first to shit on the acer aspire R7.
>>52129825
>there are still major websites on NT4 servers
no. you are delusional.
>>52130015
They sure don't, now they have wireless ones.
>>52129731
I can vouch for K6-III in an i-opener. Thanks for making me look up the notes I took from 15 years ago when this was a thing!
http://i.imgur.com/ZyFwaLu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/a5WLhC3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HAfPwgV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kTrmBja.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kNChJHC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/uVx3JaA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Kd3E0XY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0BuTpHV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tKbwqdb.jpg
You had to move R60/R61 to R184/R185 to enable split pane voltage. Remove R202 to get a core voltage equal to whatever value you get out of a resistor divider network. Lift pin 3 of U16 and connect lifted pin to 100K resistor and 50K pot. (The other end of 100K resistor goes to ground, and the other end of the 50K resistor goes to a 2.5V reference source on the Maxim chip.) Fire it up with the CPU socket empty and measure GND and VCORE pads where R60 and R61 used to be. 1.9V good. 2.2V absolute limit. Then use DIP switches SW1 (R327, 130, 328) for multiplier and SW2 (R208, 329, 330, 331) for FSB clock.
Biggest thermal problem is all this has to go through Q16, which gets hot as fuck. If you have a K6-III-400, underclock and undervolt it.
>>52130090
http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=airindia.co.in
Major Indian airline is still using it. (inb4 poo in the loo)
Australia Post was still using it in 2014.
http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://postbillpay.com.au
There are other sites, 50,000 of them were crawled in 2014 alone. I'm sure many are still up, but many are also very old and not findable on search engines.
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2014/04/08/thousands-of-websites-still-hosted-on-windows-xp.html
>>52130477
From that it seems they all went dead or switched during/after 2014. I'm sure not all of them have dropped dead. I wouldn't be surprised if there are even NT 3.x or even older OSes running servers!
>>52129417
The WinChip is a qt though
>>52129825
I need to go hunting for some cards like that, I have too much bullshit backlogged for various projects.
Yo
>>52126892
>those extra wires to fix hardware bugs
>>52130585
Nice, it sucks that all the CMOS batteries in our old laptops are dead. What OS are you running? I'm thinking about doing NT 4 on my Compaq. Maybe that machine would be nice with Windows 3.x.
>>52130564
Yeah, and I forget whether I had to mess around with the stock heatsink (which is this huge passive block of metal) to get good contact with the K6.
To put it back into perspective, twice as fast as slow is still slow. By adding more RAM and the CF-IDE adaptor you'll see a huge improvement as you're not bottlenecked by disk. And you'll have a much easier time putting in a CF-IDE in there than we did trying to cram a 2.5" hard drive into the case. Some went with active cooling, others cut the heatsink with a hacksaw, another guy milled out his own heatsink out of aluminum and used it as a drive bracket.
My goal was a machine fast enough to play an MP3 in the background while dialup internetting (you could hack a serial port into it) or just typing shit offline. And I'm pretty sure the stock WinChip could also do that out of the box, so the rest was just for shits and giggles.
>>52129901
Every old laptop I have has either a completely dead battery or one which won't last over 10 minutes
>>52130015
>All my new laptops have shit tier tinny speakers
The speakers in my mid-end HP business laptop are surprisingly good compared to every other modern one I've used
>>52130783
Hmm. I am tempted to install NT 4, but the problem is that Winamp is known to not work. On top of this, all my flash drives have mysteriously disappeared in the past few hours. I have an old CRT that works with the desktop machine, but it won't work with my current rig (HyperTransport/voltage related problem caused by my Radeon HD 7850), so it's been collecting dust.
>>52130937
Why NT4, though? It's really useless novadays and does not have god compatibility with new and old shit
>>52130458
holy shit thanks for that info. I've been at a loss for much detailed information on hacking the thing
>>52130972
Yeah, I guess that's really worthless even as an older OS. I even had a NT 3.51 fetish for a while and got some late 90s Unreal Engine games to run on it. NT 3.5x is really difficult to install without a boot floppy and the video drivers are extremely sparse. Maybe I should stick with 98/2000/XP with my older machines. I also installed Vista on the Athlon rig once and could play some games usably. There is no reason for/against running ME since both machines don't have dedicated DOS support for anything. The desktop Athlon rig can at least emulate a sound blaster and general midi through Windows.
>>52130458
>>52130775
please if you have any other info or resources throw them my way. I need as much info as I can get on this thing
>>52130987
Bump or create new thread around this time of night if you have BIOS troubles. I'll need to find a place to temporarily upload binaries, but I have a qnxflash binary and a v1 BIOS image. If there's no epoxy glob on your BIOS chip you should have root from the keyboard and need nothing; you already have the original BIOS that enabled the hack. If there is an epoxy blob on BIOS and you have trouble rooting (lol, after 15 years there are probably tons of ways to root a an unpatched QNX using nothing more than a keyboard), this Anon can help.
>>52131293
I don't have epoxy on my bios. I've read that I have a v4 but I'm still not sure. I'm not even sure where to begin once I have the correct bios. I have an eprom programmer so I can reflash it if I need to but I just have no idea what to do once I've handled that
>>52131395
My turn to say "Holy shit!" some of this stuff is still up! (Not author, just looked for v4) http://fatsquirrel.org/veghead/wot/iopener.php
I had a V1. And good that you have the programmer because I remembered the V2 problem was that you had to remove the epoxy from the chip, remove the chip, install a working V1 chip (burned or pulled from working machine), power up, then remove the V1 chip from the working machine, hot-install the V2 chip, and reflash the V2 chip to turn it into a V1.
If you already have a V4 -- disregard most/everything I wrote about voltages and K6 stuff, you may not need a CPU upgrade and I have no idea what voltages you'll measure at test points in imgur links above. Some of it might still apply but I was mostly off the ride before V4 came out.
Fuck. I'm pretty sure I don't have an image of the original qnx install. Back in the day, 16 whole megabytes was a lot of data... /facepalms.
Start by going to that pastebin-like site where WIKIS come to an END, and this filter is really annoying me, and to that string, append download/478542/ORIGINAL.BIN and 850086/qnxflash.tgz
And since neither of those sums shows up when googled, you're basically taking my word for it that these are indeed a V1 BIOS (256K) and a QNX BIOS flasher (10401 bytes).
I also stress that I don't know what a V1 BIOS will do in a V4 unit. I know only that it worked in a V2 unit. And the V2 unit used the same WinChip the V1 did.
Hopefully you won't need 'em, but maybe I'm the last one to keep copies of it. Now there are two. For anyone listening in, this is why we data hoarders do it. I was sure I'd never use any of this stuff again and just kept it around for fond retrocomputing memories. Then this Anon showed up.
>>52131686
original.bin should have a md5sum of 4e9d5663af05c9fd4d43concatenated with 362e552a4cd9 and qnxflash.tgz should look like d003e83d4c72d6 concatenated with 7b6fa53d57fa936bc1
/mfw the checksums were triggering the spam detection and not the website.
>>52131709
http://wikisend.com/download/850086/qnxflash.tgz
http://wikisend.com/download/478542/ORIGINAL.BIN
Yeah. It was the checksums. You're basically taking my word on those checksums anyways. Also, I stress again that I don't know what a V1 BIOS will do in anything other than a V2 unit. And since neither of those sums shows up, you have no idea what I've uploaded.
If you can get it to a DOS prompt (like, DOS), the usual DOS ROM utilities for flashing and editing ROM boot screens will work and are available from anywhere in the retrocomputing community. (My archives include an AWDFLASH.EXE whose sum ends in 1783ad and CBROM130.EXE ending in 648757 but others will work fine.)
>>52130732
Don't they use a standardized battery? Should be pretty easily replaced.
>>52131686
>>52131709
>>52131777
that fatsquirrel link says "V4+ you will need the later image with qnxflash version 102 - using v1 will do nasty things"
I also found this site that mentions bios 5.40a
http://itresource.com/IO.htm
maybe this is the bios I need?
>>52131778
Yeah. I'm really cheap about spending older money on these old machines. I almost thought about spending some money buying another old laptop but that's probably a waste. My desktop machine also has a dead battery but that's not really a problem since the default BIOS settings are fine. If you run an NT-based Windows the machine will complain about the incorrect time, and if you browse the web you will have to fix the time or all the security certs will be invalid/expired.
>>52130458
I had no idea what an i-opener was until I googled it. I assumed it was some old POS-type machine used for retail. The wikipedia page had some interesting info. Now I know why it takes so much work to turn it into a real PC. This is fascinating. It should work great with Windows 98. You could also try 2000 or NT 4. NT 4 is really fast but as another anon pointed out, it is pretty useless nowadays. Does the i-opener have USB? One of the things I like about older machines is that they still work great with my gaming mouse/keyboard.
>>52130972
> It's really useless novadays
Pretty much the only thing it can't do that 9x can do is games, in every other way it's pretty much superior.
I'll never go back to Winshit 9x after using NT, everything about it is just... nicer.
>>52130732
That laptop was broken, didn't do much more than that.
I do have a 755cd though that runs 98
>>52132002
NT needs much more resources though
Nice if you have enough RAM, otherwise nasty
>>52130027
I have one of those, Only problem is the fucked Wi-Fi signal.
>>52131814
Heh, when I started digging around my old content, I thought I was the master, now I am but the learner.
Thanks, Anon, you've saved yourself from some trouble. DO NOT install my v1 bios!
I had a w98 driver 5482-10.ZIP that is superseded by that site's 5497-47, and can vouch for Cyberblade7 drivers which is what I used.
http://i.imgur.com/8SD8cQ9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rFJnSo2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/db09Bjo.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/iqtVrbJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pV6vldq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HiEuJTe.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tD94x4E.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Q24XVdl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aY2QQvb.jpg
But at least I found the headphone jack hacks.
>>52132002
>>52132048
Yeah NT is worse at playing games, but much more stable. I do have issues with it. Really, 2000 is the best if you can run it. One of the main reasons people keep old PCs like these around is MS-DOS games though, and for that you need 9x if you don't actually want to install DOS or don't have the actual MS-DOS compatible hardware.
>>52132048
NT 4 only needs 32 megs for good performance IIRC. At the time that was very high but now you can upgrade a lot of those old computers cheaply.
I got a Sony GDM-FW900 in literally mint condition. The HP A7217A variant. I actually like the beige look on this one better, so its all good.
Really happy with it.
>>52132220
I've heard that or some reason the colors on those fade after a few years of use
>>52132220
Nice.
>>52131952
>>52131952
>I had no idea what an i-opener was until I googled it. I assumed it was some old POS-type machine used for retail. The wikipedia page had some interesting info. Now I know why it takes so much work to turn it into a real PC. This is fascinating.
It really was a neat piece of kit. Totally passively cooled. Dead silent. 180MHz CPU, 16MB SSD (!) in 1999, and a Grandma-optimized QNX interface. No fans, no hard drives, no moving parts.
Business model was to charge $99 for the unit (a 10" flatscreen in the age of CRTs was a huge loss-leader) and $20/month for a dialup ISP. The 'net went nuts.
The FTC action against the company was kinda overkill -- their reaction was a reasonable attempt to control the damage. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/03/business/technology-briefing-e-commerce-netpliance-fined-by-ftc.html FWIW when they called me I just said I sympathized but was canceling the service anyways. They never attempted to charge my card. As far as I'm concerned the company was actually pretty chill about it. No lawsuits, no DMCA takedowns, they fought back by changing their BIOS to make it harder for us to repurpose the box. Totally fair game: nerd vs. nerd.
Looking back at how mobile took over, if it had been possible to supply even a REALLY low-res touchscreen at the same price point (it wasn't even remotely possible in 1999/2000), they really could have gone somewhere.
New owner, before you wipe/reinstall, even if you don't keep an image of the original QNX around - play with it a bit and imagine not just your world in 1999, but your grandmother's world, for whom AOL was too complicated.
Going public and raising money just before the dot-com bubble burst, the company was doomed whether we'd been able to turn their machines into Windows boxes or not. But I really wish they had succeeded.
>>52132302
Yeah, there's a capacitor that goes bad on them. You just gotta replace it. I checked, this thing is literally in perfect condition on the inside. Phosphor decay is real but not a huge deal. Can mostly be calibrated and adjusted around.
I actually had one for the longest time but I broke it when moving. I learned how to maintain and work with these and know them inside and out.
The owner said he bought it and many others (he had like 5) over a decade ago and they had a few hundred hours at most, and some were unused by him. I was skeptical, but I went home and opened it up and inspected the boards and its literally like brand new. Its been over a decade and there wasn't even any color shifts. It only needed to be calibrated near the primaries because its slightly more than sRGB. The greys were perfect and there isn't the green shift and raising black level you see with these.
>>52132374
Nice, if it's that simple I might pick one up when I see one
Gonna install 98 SE, any games or software you recommend I put on this once it finishes installing? The ESS Maestro2E documentation says it is sound blaster compatible but my experience says no, except for FM music.
>>52132352
Yeah. I'm super happy with it.
>>52132401
They are awesome, but most are not maintained well so you see them having more than just one problem these days. If you find one in perfect condition, its awesome and worth it, but its over a decade since they were discontinued.
Either they're used by old people who dont know what they're doing or gamers who never leave their computer and just wear them out.
These things are a commitment and a risk. So don't do it unless its cheap or good.
>>52132413
>ESS Maestro2E
It's probably sound blaster pro compatible, but not sb16 compatible
Other games depend on what GPU it has
That moment you have the best specs around
>>52132317
Wow, mine is like that except it is "low profile" and doesn't really fit in, it kind of jiggles around. Mine is also passively cooled. My old Athlon desktop machine actually does not work with several different Nvidia cards - in any kind of text mode the text is garbled. It worked okay in Windows 98/XP, but otherwise it was unreadable crap.
>>52132364
The billing was really unfair. The attempts to lock out the machine I can totally understand. I got a Compaq iPAQ from a neighbor but the hard drive was broken and it used non standard IDE cables. It was full of cigarette tar so I threw it away. They also gave me a dead Athlon XP custom built machine and a Slot 1 Celeron HP machine. Both of those are gone.
That moment you have the best specs around .xxxx
>>52132507
I can't get anything, not even generic soundblaster clone support. The games that autodetect can't find anything. There are actual DOS drivers for it but they don't seem to help either. The Windows 98 drivers also add a device called "Maestro FM/DOS Games" which doesn't help. The GPU (ATI Rage Mobility) is pretty crappy, but I believe it can run Quake III at 320x240 or some insanely low res. The built in midi is not very good, but you only hear it on NT or in DOS mode, since 98 uses the GS wavetable. I have a wi-fi card for it so it should be able to do some Web stuff.
>>52132572
>since 98 uses the GS wavetable
So you're using WDM drivers? Have you treid WIn98FE?
>>52132584
No, I used to have a first edition disk but I don't want to bother with that for the original MIDI in Windows. I don't think the Maestro is using WDM drivers since they are the same in 95.
>>52132413
Duke Nukem 3D
Quake
Chip's Challenge
>>52132589
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuDwUnhwPAk
>>52132162
Any more to dump? I'm a data hoarder myself when it comes to this kind of stuff.
>>52132673
>>52132413
It lacks soundblaster support but has Aureal A3D emulation. Very interesting. I'll put the DOS games on it once I can find my stupid flash drive.
>>52120204
I had one of those laying around not getting any attention.
Sold it to some anon here on /g/ about 2 years ago.
>>52132048
The resource requirements were mostly a problem with NT 3.1, which recommended almost double the RAM of what the average user in their target market was running. 3.51 and 4.0 are more than light enough for a typical system, I only pull out NT for workstations anyway, shitboxes and consumer systems always get 9x no matter how much I hate it.
NT is also pretty much your only option for multi-processing if you want a generally useful desktop system, which is one of the main reasons I use it.
Lack of plug n play is a bitch though, frequent ERDs are a necessity.
>>52132191
I think DOSBox runs well on NT4 systems, although there's no reason to bother with bare metal at that point if you're not going to actually run anything on it.
>>52132413
I mostly use my M300 for playing Need For Speed 2-4, I don't remember if 5 worked.
>>52132530
Yeah, I was before those letters got sent out. Was happy to chip in the extra $20 and cancel, no questions asked. Still got a $400-500 machine for $120 and with K6-III being a $30 surplus part at the time, turned it into a laptop for $100 in parts because my time was free and most of the parts I had in my drawer.
>>52132693
Sure. For the CF/IDE - take a look at the side of your case, lit from a low angle. Do you see something like pic related? It was always widely speculated that the motherboard was designed with compact flash in mind.
http://i.imgur.com/LTiksQd.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NYo2w0t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jOGW6R8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/PtiV8Ro.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Iz2PSYN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nR6kEoY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/p2LwjmV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/mJJMDfr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aiwdqfk.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/hQoLmcs.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eg7jm6y.jpg
I'll scrounge around and try to piece together some text files from the stuff and see if I have anything that's not already floating around there on the googles. Or the wayback machine at archive.org.
im still using thinkpad t43, it's old but powerfull.
>>52133464
I was always curious about the IDT winchip, and how well it would run Windows 9x games. Probably pretty badly compared to a Pentium MMX or II, but I remember reading about some person on a forum using it to play Unreal Tournament many years ago.
>>52133464
so once you have the correct bios and ide drive attached, how do you install windows 98 on it? would you need to attach a cd drive as well or is there another way I'm missing?
Still no luck with DOS sound support. They must have been too busy watching the news that day.
>>52133497
the winchip was an incredibly simple, almost RISC-like chip with an incredibly weak FPU made for entry-level business and home use, it would be a terrible choice for a gaming system, but it's still a cool chip, I'd like an example of one myself.
>>52133790
The sad thing is that I would get better sound on Windows XP since NTVDM at least tries to emulate a sound blaster and general MIDI. Apparently the Warcraft II setup program thinks I have a SB Pro, but it can't auto-setup the card and I have no idea what the IRQ, DMA channels, etc are even after looking in Device Manager. WIpeout XL kind of works. Winamp plays music fine and I have all my desktop themes. The desktop themes program actually works on Windows up through 10, but on 8/10 it can't change a lot of stuff.
Found a component splitter that have a channel switch while helping my cousin to move to another state. Along with a ps3 cam that she have no use for. Thats pretty much it
>>52133904
Yeah, it was really only Intel and AMD that could do any kind of floating point or gaming application. Centaur was acquired by VIA. Does VIA still make processors even?
>>52133994
VIA is still making centaur-designed chips, they just announced a tiny little 1.2 GHz quad-core Eden chip in August.
>>52117294
I had to buy a new pata harddrive for my A21. I found a pata to msata adapter, now it flies and I don't have to worry about the harddrive dying on it any time soon.
>>52133643
At the time we attached a bootable IDE drive to reformat the 16MB onboard flash drive to DOS. Then loaded CDROM drivers onto the 16MB flash drive so we could boot to DOS from the flash drive and access whatever was on a hard drive... or vice versa.
IIRC the canonical configuration was to boot from IDE-CDROM and install Windows or Linux on a (real) hard drive. By some miracle the onboard CF that sat on the same channel as the hard drive (IDE bus conflict yadda yadda) just went dormant if the hard drive was configured right. There were also Linux distros that would fit within the 16MB limit of the onboard CF drive. (So to use that, you'd go from CDROM to HDD, pull the CDROM out, change the HDD's channel, boot from the HDD, and use the HDD to overwrite the no-longer-in-conflict onboard 16MB drive.)
Also, what >>52133904 and >>52133994 said. Poor performance compared to Intel/AMD. But going back to what Netpliance was up to, it was good enough for a product that was never intended for gaming or multimedia at a price point unreachable by AMD/Intel. QNX was a real-time OS.
>>52120708
I got one and it's pretty garbage. The plastic cracks so easily because it ages like shit. Also Passive Matrix LCD with more than 1s Repsonse rates.
Wow, NT is so much faster than 98, it hurts. 2000 and even XP are probably better on that laptop. I'm sticking with NT for a while on the Armada, then back to 2000 or XP once I get sick of that or have trouble with the USB drivers.
>>52118427
What do you have in the two palm rest bays?
Any custom cover insert?
>>52134790
Dead battery, floppy drive.
Nope. Any suggestions for what to print?
>>52134381
The cs variant has THE shittiest display I have ever seen on a laptop, like it's almost unusable it's so bad.
>>52134496
If you're that guy with the M700, NT is a perfect match for that shit, though 2K is probably acceptable too, I think those things were still in production around its release.
>>52134817
Kind of weird or whatever but I used to keep newspaper clippings in mine
>>52134917
Yeah, I had 2000 on it before I started screwing. I'm installing the Fat32 driver and it should be able to handle flash drives now. I might try XP tomorrow. I have an HP laptop with a passive matrix LCD and it is the worst shit ever.
>>52132673
>Quake
Quake runs fine on Windows NT 4. Chip's Challenge will work too but I'll try that tomorrow.
>>52129585
>>52129825
>not soundblaster compatible
I have the same machine, and the sound chip *should* be compatible. I could never get it to work properly except under Windows ME with a software synthesizer.
The Rage Mobility graphics are good though, had a blast playing Quake 2 and Unreal on the thing.
>>52135420
I don't find the graphics to work that well. I get funny looking horizontal lines on most stuff. 3D accel works but isn't all that on most programs. Quake II and Unreal work fine in software mode. I couldn't get the sound blaster support to work on 98, so NT 4 is on there now. Here's an actual screenshot, now I need to get some sleep.
>>52132413
The Sims 1
Unreal 1 / UT99
Quake II
NFS3
>>52132572
Quake III runs decently on the Fast preset for me. (at 512x384) Turning down texture detail will help greatly.
>>52135476
Got it. Unreal/Quake III will run on NT. Sims 1 and NFS III require DirectX. I'll probably go back to 2000 tomorrow. Hopefully there will still be an old tech thread.
>>52134353
How do you access the hard drive when you boot from the onboard cf if they were on the same IDE channel?
>>52124046
Lucky you, I'd be happy to have one of those for my PII retro rig, but the unscrupulous scoundrels who offer such cards for sale demand way to much.
>>52135280
Half-life also runs on NT4 pretty well, too bad all my NT4 boxes use Matrox cards and can't even play Quake.
>>52135451
Windows NT does not really support DirectX (officially up to version 3, there's a beta 5 on the internet)
>>52137810
Dumb luck? May have been an interaction between the drive and the CD-ROM, or may have been the respective jumper configurations of drive and CD-ROM, but the presence of all 3 devices on the bus resulted in one master, one slave, and the onboard flash drive temporarily vanishing as one/both of the other devices kicked it off the bus. Might also be something specific to BIOS?
Moot point today. Copy contents of CD-ROM onto CF-IDE or preformatted bootable DOS HDD from a regular PC, then plug drive into IO and install from hard drive. (i.e., it's been a while since I've installed 9x from scratch, but in principle you should be able to FDISK a hard drive into a bootable C: that loads DOS and dumps you onto a command line, and D: holds a copy - I mean XCOPY the individual files, not a .ISO - of the installer CD-ROM and run SETUP.EXE from D:, which Win98 should think of as an extremely fast CD-ROM...)
>>52141300
I see. So you just place the windows 98 files on the drive itself after you make it bootable with fdisk. Do you have any info on external vga and com ports? I've read the board has 2 serial ports and some way of wiring up an external vga connection but can't find any detailed information on that.
>>52141445
Actually I've found some info on the VGA output here
http://fastolfe.net/2006/iopener/ihack/0063.html
I've been going through various websites using archive.org and collected a good amount of information. I might have to host a small archive somewhere for all the helpful technical info I've found to make this much easier for others.
POCKET PC BROS WW@?
Took this picture a while ago, too bad the digitizer bought the farm recently.
>>52141445
Looks like I've got the com port info as well
http://fastolfe.net/2006/iopener/ihack/0186.html
>>52142079
Oh shit, I had an older HP model that looked almost exactly like that, and I always carried it around as music player + mini-game machine for train traveling to school.
Sadly though, my dog broke it and it just ended up in one of my drawers, if I haven't thrown it out - it's just the digitizer that's broken, so really, one could fix it easily.
>>52142079
Windows CE here.
>>52141158
Yeah. Quake, Unreal/UT, and a surprising number of other games have little/no DirectX requirement.
>>52140061
I have the original Half-Life in the box, never thought about that game.
I did get the Fat32 and service packs installed. I spent well over an hour on that thing trying to download service packs and Fat32 drivers on IE 2. Now that is torture. Luckily I got the USB driver and found an older flash drive that could be FAT16 formatted. Hopefully the guy with the i-Opener is coming along and will post pics once Windows is successfully installed. There was also an active Linux community for those devices, so that might be an option down the road as well.
>>52142079
I have a whole shit ton of Pocket PCs and every one of them has broken in some way within weeks of acquiring one.
I really want a nice iPAQ or especially something like >>52142981
>>52143143
http://toastytech.com/files/95browsing.html
I would recommend grabbing one of these, I usually use the modded Firefox but I've become rather fond of SeaMonkey recently because of its integrated IRC and mail clients.
Unfortunately they still eat shit with JS though, so you'll want to turn it off, but it's enough that you can FTP surf, use imageboards and forums or read wikipedia.
>>52142079
Sure. I have:
- Casio MessageCam (custom MIPS winCE 2.12)
- Dell Axim X5 (wm2003)
- Dell Axim X30 (wm2003se)
- HTC touch pro with WM6.1
- Palm M125
- Other palm with broken battery and color screen
- other palm with shitty battery, ARM CPU and shitty screen, also no audio or SD card slot
- Siemens IC35, a really ridiculous attempt at a mobile computer
- Psion series 5 (b/w screen, broken backlight cable on mine)
- FSC Pocket Loox 600 (WM2003)
>>52143238
I have been following that site for many years. I even sent that guy an image of me playing games on NT 3.51 that he put in his "Sick Windows tricks" section. I just tried SeaMonkey because that's what he uses. It beats using IE 2 or even IE 6 in any case.
>>52143422
Sweet, I just like to try and spread that shit around whenever there's an opportunity, those browsers are especially nice for NT 4 users, since I could never get Opera 10 to work.
>>52143464
To be honest Firefox actually works well on old tech if you are running XP. It works fine on my Athlon Slot A rig, and my M700 as well. Chrome will refuse to even install on these machines, since it probably isn't fast enough to send data back to Google adequately. I think Pale Moon has a version that still works on XP also.
>>52143541
I could never really stand using Chrome, Firefox has no problem running a lightly tabbed (1-3, maybe 10 max) session on my workstations with 128-256 MB of RAM, the only con that comes with using it on old stuff is the lack of good JS support meaning posting on an imageboard for example requires you to manually copy the post number into the comment field, and you can't use the catalog.
>>52143331
Heh i too have a rather nice collection of PDA's
Pictured: My Ipaq RX3715 & h1910
in drawers somewhere:
- FSC Pocket Loox 600, bulky as fuck and crudly implemented bluetooth.
- Dell Axim X51v (iirc the most powerful pda i own)
- An Ipaq H2490
not windows but worth mentioning:
Nokia 9300 & nokia 9500 communicators.
All beautiful machines but they all ended up being unused thanks to the rise of (cheap) android phones & the iphone
>>52129210
>>52142079
>>52143653
Palm master race.
It's been a while since I've fired up my IIIc, but it was still working flawlessly as of a year ago or so.
>>52114689
I have one of those as well. Here's my hard drive mounting solution
>>52143653
>and crudly implemented bluetooth.
Indeed, they just put a crappy third party program on it
Also have you noticed how crappy the front liht is on them? The light bleed on the sides is the worst I've ever seen on LCD screens
>Dell Axim X51v
Always wanted one of them because WM5/6 custom roms and VGA screen
>>52143726
Yes the screen was just painful to look at.
The Loox 600 did have a light sensor that automatically changes the backlight when needed, which was nice, the semi scroll wheel thingy on the side was a great addition too. It also didn't need a proprietary connector for charging.
>>52143897
I've heard there was even a GSM modem extension for it which explains the red and green colored buttons on the front
>>52144004
I have that thing, its just a compact flash card with sim card slot and a foldable antenna, never tried it because you needed additional software, which wasn't available for download anymore.
>>52144173
Apparently Fujitsu still has the drivers for it:
http://support.ts.fujitsu.com/Download/Index.asp
Select "former models" from the list, then select "PDA"
>>52144252
I forgot Fujitsu still makes laptops. They are stupidly overpriced, that explains why no one buys them. I wanted to buy one just to be a hipster but they are very expensive.
>>52144252
Nice find, gonna dig up my old pda and try it. Might even work on other devices with a CF port.
First laptop my dad used in the oil industry.
Zenith ZWL-183-92
>>52145071
Nice. I like the full size drives and contrast/brightness sliders. What kind of processor does it have?
>>52145071
Is that a CGA screen
One of the things I dislike about Windows NT is that the hard drive is initially formatted with FAT16 and then later converted to NTFS, forcing you to remain under 4 gigs. Now I have to use a partition manager disk to extend that to 6 gigabytes.
>>52130477
>major
you mentioned two unimportant sites gj.
>>52146171
The Australian Post and a whole airline are major websites. Unfortunately both upgraded over the last year or so. I can't find any running NT 4 right now, but there have to be some. I can't crawl every site with Netcraft and find this out. They had a list from many years ago, and a list from 2014. Most of these have moved to Server 2003, 2008, or 2012.
>>52133489
My nigga
>>52145621
I fucking hate that shit. I usually split disks into a 2GB+Remainder partition setup, at least one upside to it is that if you ever accidentally break your installation you can store drivers and resources in the non-boot partition and have them ready to go.
>>52146590
I'm using a disc called "Roadstarter". It has all of Hiren's boot stuff, Windows XP live cd, Damn Small Linux on one bootable CD. Hopefully I can extend the NTFS partition with it.
>>52146320
thank you for validating my point.
linux webservers make 90%+ of the internet and validating NT4 as anything but a deprecated and ancient worthless OS is a misnomer.
Only really old thing I got that works to any degree is an IBM ps/2 model 50z (not one pictured) but it has no working hard drive. I can boot a dos floppy though and then switch disks to run something off that. Takes pretty much any old keyboard and vga screen.
>>52146693
It seems to work, but Windows ran chkdsk because it noticed the number of sectors on the partition changed. Here is a link to the roadstarter disk if you want to use it.
http://www.downage.org/software-list/roadstarter-boot-cd-2-0_8jju.html
Most of the tools on it are deprecated and may not be useful for modern PCs.
>>52146741
Did I ever say that? Why are linux people and consumer techies invading this thread claiming superiority over an almost 20 year old OS? It can still be used to host a web server.
>>52147074
Unfortunately all the links are dead so anyone who wants the Roadstarter bootdisk will need to find a torrent.
>>52142981
Put Linux on that bitch. Way more useful
>>52146821
>no working hard drive
That sucks. You might be able to rig a SCSI drive plus controller into it for around $40 if you're really interested in getting it up and running again. Kind of a cool box, the only 286 microchannel system ever made.
>>52146741
why are you so upset, and who cares?
>>52147351
Yeah the drive uses what they called ESDI so yeah I would need to find a different card + hard drive for it . Right now I just sometimes like to play Wheel of Fortune on it. Was one of the first PC games I ever played and emulating DOS never feels the same as hearing it through the original internal speaker.
>>52147422
I've got a Model 70 with the original 60 MB WD-387 disk that I run OS/2 1.3 on, ESDI drives, let alone IBM's specific DBA flavor of ESDI, are pretty hard to find at a reasonable going rate, there's a couple on Ebay for around $60-$70 but that seems a little... jewish
>>52147422
Yeah, now that you mention it, there's a cool program for NT based Windows that plays midi files through the PC speaker. Unfortunately no such program exists in DOS as far as I know. I love your machine though. Any other good PC booter games for it?
>>52147638
Well there's also similar stuff like Jeopardy and Monopoly that I had back then with Wheel that you can find on Dos game sites that were able to fit on a single disk with it. The disk I have Wheel on now though only has it. If I had a usb floppy drive or something yeah I prob could go to town now.
>>52123136
Man, pretty sure I found one of these a couple years back while dumpster diving, didn't know anything about ThinkPads then though, so I just lol'd and left it in the trash...feels bad man...
>>52147256
Holy shit I used to have one of these
With Windows NT and the new Pentium II processor, mobile multitasking is easy and fun!
Found this monster of a laptop woth some old equipment at work.
Unfortunately, it was destined for eRecycle.
>>52149216
Jesus fuck, are you trying to trigger /tpg/ and force this thread off the board? Delete this.
>>52124074
Did they make their own x86 OS to run that thing or did it just run on top of a linux kernel? Either way neat. I know the old MMDS box my parents have is some IBM powerPC processor, possibly similar to ones used in old macs.
I've got a Macintosh Classic from 1990 that works.
It's quite a nice little machine, I keep wanting to upgrade it so it can do something useful but I need to fix the floppy drive in it and find a way of making mac floppies or obtain an external SCSI drive to put software on, and buy some other things and I never get round to actually doing it.
>>52149216
I feel like I'm literally going to throw up.
>>52149364
I rigged mine up as a library catalog box with MS works database for a while, eventually replaced it with an SE because snow white a best
laptops will never be sexy again they will remain as muh slim from now on
>>52149642
They sure used to be tough suckers. Built like bricks. Now people are wasteful and don't really care about them breaking(as much) because "ill just buy another"
>>52149642
Oldschool "muh slim" shit before it was the in thing with e-hipsters was the best, though.
I have a fetish for old subnotebooks and ultraportables.
>>52149765
Technology nowadays is designed to break. Smartphones are a better example. Look at the thin phones with huge fragile screens. Every other teenager has a broken screen on their phone.
>>52149971
Yeah I like the ultraportables a lot. The Toshiba Libretto is the holy grail of the bunch. Netbooks were a cool thing for a while but laptops are going to big/thin again. That sucks because large screens and thin design is the most fragile configuration.
>>52149364
Those things are such happy looking little machines. I don't know what it is, but something about the design makes it look like it's excited to be of service to its user. You don't see that kind of personality in tech often.
>>52150458
Obligatory
>>52150458
I still have a CRT that I many many years ago I stuck little posable arms on called "monitor morphs" that sits next to my LCD. Used to be part of me dual screening CRTs but now mostly is just a spare for things like fixing other people's machines. It was kind of like my computer always giving me a hug.
>>52114315
Based apple //e
>>52130458
>linear voltage regulator for the CPU
Imagine attempting that with a modern CPU.
>>52149364
Heh. I have one of those sitting next to me. Bought it from Goodwill for $5. Mine also still works. Do these ever die?
>>52150721
My first classic died, only displays vertical bars on boot.
My second one runs fine though, I think. It's in the garage now.
>>52149364
if working you might, have alot of cash on your hands.
>>52150653
what model is that
>>52150782
>My second one runs fine though, I think. It's in the garage now.
Be careful with that. I used to have an old working Apple Multiple Scan 15" monitor out in my garage and even though my garage isn't a swap or anything, the ambient moisture was enough to kill it.
>>52150861
Yeah, luckily I live in a very dry area otherwise I wouldn't be putting it anywhere near there.
I'm more worried about temperature differences killing pre-voice coil drives and causing stiction problems.
Quake II on the Compaq, OpenGL mode is extremely buggy and causes severe lag when changing resolutions. I think it's the GPU causing that, not Windows NT. It runs speedy in software mode at 320x240 though.
>>52150721
They can do, although it's extremely difficult to have them in a state that can't be recoverable through cheaply replacing capacitors and cleaning, I've never had one that's died completely.
>>52150827
It's worth about 50 quid, it's not one of the super valuable 128k(or 512k) wet dreams and it's currently not got a working floppy drive.
I guess 50 quid is a fair amount of cash, I did get it for £2(1 for the machine and 1 for the keyboard and mouse) however I want to keep it.
>>52150846
Probably at least a Revision B board //e given the black print on the keycaps. Probably not enhanced ROM set, or the cover for the LED was never swapped.
>>52145621
Lol, I resized an NT4 partition once (actually made it smaller) and were never able to boot it again, STOP 7B (inaccessible boot device) every fucking time. Be careful with NT4 partition resizing, it might just as well turn out you'll need to reinstall.
>>52145621
But FAT16 only supports 2GiB volumes maximum iirc.
>>52130458
>>52132162
>>52133464
>>52151837
hoo boy, is there any way you can shove all of these in one album so I can archive them?
I'm trying to save a bunch of shit like this and maybe put them up for public browsing on my website if I ever get around to it.
>>52151885
>>52151837 (LOL I FAIL IT)
>>52141832
>>52142698
Thanks for filling in for me, Anon! You saved me the trouble of typing up the stuff I had on serial.
http://i.imgur.com/rAUul7o.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pLCk8F3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/r9LXGem.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ceqdJ0v.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9EfzkgJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/d92nh0O.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/E59X5fJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vzNjMKI.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2dOQ13Q.jpg
Basically a bog-standard MAX232 install to turn motherboard's TTL into proper RS-232 for the modem, with two possible mounting solutions depicted.
A better solution today would be to use a newer plastic like Sugru than hot glue. Sugru stays formable for longer, and can be hand-worked at a temperature compatible with bare fingers, and hardens into something that's rigid/machinable/drillable.
Edit: "Fug. Forgot ceqdJ0v.jpg and how to quote!"
